Tom Brandstater (Diamond In The Ruff)

[DenBronx]

I also had this guy in my mock. Great pick and hopefully with McD's success of late round QB's he can mold this guy as well as he did in NE.

Tom Brandstater (QB)
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 220
College: Fresno State
Conference: WAC
Hometown: Turlock, CA
High School: Turlock
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Combine Results:
40 Yard Dash : 4.95 seconds
Vertical Jump : 28.5 inches
Broad Jump : 106.0 inches
3 Cone Drill : 6.93 seconds
20 Yard Shuttle : 4.37 seconds



Choose Quarterbacks Bomar, Rhett Freeman, Josh Sanchez, Mark Stafford, Matthew White, Pat Selected by: Denver Broncos
Round: 6
Pick (Overall): 1 (174)
Discuss Overview
Regards as the premier quarterback in the Western Athletic Conference, Brandstater possesses the range and arm strength that National Football League teams look for in a pro style quarterback. The unquestioned leader of the team put up impressive numbers since taking over the starting position as a sophomore, but has also excelled in the classroom, earning conference academic honors the last three seasons. His intelligence on the field is evident, but academically it is even more impressive, having graduated before his junior campaign and is finishing up work on his Master's degree.



Fresno State has boasted some great college quarterbacks in recent years and Brandstater has placed his name right next to the likes of Kevin Sweeney, Trent Dilfer, David Carr and Billy Volek in the school record books. He closed out his career ranking fifth in school annals in pass completions (584) and fourth in pass attempts (989), while ranking sixth all-time with 6,857 yards passing and 7,006 yards in total offense. His 47 touchdown passes placed him seventh in Bulldogs annals.



At Turlock High School, Brandstater was a relatively unknown prep quarterback, as he played in an offense that relied more on the running attack. He threw for more than 1,000 yards as a senior, but made a better impression as a defensive back. He earned first-team All-District defensive honors from the Modesto Bee and guided his team into the Sac-Joaquin Section Championship vs. Stockton Lincoln in his final campaign.



Brandstater was the top quarterback performer in Fresno State's Summer Football Camp in 2003. He decided to enroll at the university in 2004, spending the season as a redshirt. In 2005, he saw brief action in eight games behind starter Paul Pinegar, completing just 6 of 13 passes for 49 yards, one touchdown and an interception.



The following season, Brandstater earned the first of three Academic All-Western Athletic Conference honors. He started 10 of 11 games, completing 146 of 268 attempts (54.5 percent) for 1,490 yards, 13 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He then spent the summer working on his degree and with coach Pat Hill, as the pair worked on improving his throwing mechanics.



Brandstater arrived back on campus for 2007 fall drills having already earned his degree. It was time for him to also earn some national recognition. He finished 23rd in the NCAA with a 140.49 passing efficiency rating and finished sixth in the WAC with an average of 213.23 yards per game. He amassed 2,654 yards on 211 of 337 passes (62.6 percent), connecting for 15 touchdowns against only five interceptions.



The three-time Academic All-WAC choice topped his previous season's numbers as a senior. He ranked fourth in the league in passing efficiency and total offense, as he hit on 221 of 371 tosses (59.6 percent), generating a career-high 2,664 passing yards to go with 18 touchdowns, as he collected 2,614 yards in total offense.


High School
Attended Turlock (Cal.) High School...Threw for more than 1,000 yards as a senior, but made a better impression as a defensive back...Earned first-team All-District defensive honors from the Modesto Bee and guided his team into the Sac-Joaquin Section Championship vs. Stockton Lincoln in his final campaign.

[Hoshdude7]

Winnar!

[silkamilkamonico]

Hopefully.

But say goodbye to the mid range and deep ball. Terrible down field thrower, and according to a negative scouting report he throws a lollipop that becomes a 50 50 ball.

Doesn't matter. The dude is a 6th round pick and won't be anything more than a serviceable backup at best, IMHO.

[getlynched47]

The dude tore a muscle in his back at the combine.

What will break when he gets tackled in the NFL :coffee:

[Ravage!!!]

Hopefully.

But say goodbye to the mid range and deep ball. Terrible down field thrower, and according to a negative scouting report he throws a lollipop that becomes a 50 50 ball.

Doesn't matter. The dude is a 6th round pick and won't be anything more than a serviceable backup at best, IMHO.

*sighs*... but thats the report on every QB we have on the roster

[Magnificent Seven]

Im happy because he is a mobile-quarterback!

[silkamilkamonico]

*sighs*... but thats the report on every QB we have on the roster

I wasn't expecting any current, or future QB in this draft anyways. Too bad McDaniels wants an irrelevant toy to play with rather than possibly addressing more special teams or depth, specifically at......cough*dline*cough

[BroncoWave]

The dude tore a muscle in his back at the combine.

What will break when he gets tackled in the NFL :coffee:

One time McNabb tore his ACL without even getting hit. What a bum that guy is. :coffee:

[DenBronx]

my first choice was rhett bomar....but that didnt happen.

this is a project qb guys. he will ride the bench for a long time. he has alot of upside and his arm is nfl ready but im not so sure his mechanics are. alot of that can be taught and he has two solid vets to learn from in simms and orton.

[getlynched47]

One time McNabb tore his ACL without even getting hit. What a bum that guy is. :coffee:

18 TD's, 22 INT's

If you don't support Cutler, I don't see why you would support this guy :rolleyes:

[silkamilkamonico]

my first choice was rhett bomar....but that didnt happen.

this is a project qb guys. he will ride the bench for a long time. he has alot of upside and his arm is nfl ready but im not so sure his mechanics are. alot of that can be taught and he has two solid vets to learn from in simms and orton.

The problem with long term projects, is by the time they might have an opportunity to show anything, their contract is up and you have to make a decision, or worse, they become Matt Cassel and blow up in the last and only year, and you have to decide if he's a worth the big contract or a one year w9onder.

[Ravage!!!]

This guy doesn't even make the roster......... its a non-pick.. not one to even discuss.

[getlynched47]

This guy doesn't even make the roster......... its a non-pick.. not one to even discuss.

I agree :lol:

[BroncoWave]

18 TD's, 22 INT's

If you don't support Cutler, I don't see why you would support this guy :rolleyes:

I support any player the Broncos draft until he gives me reason to do otherwise. I guess that's too much for some. :noidea:

[getlynched47]

I support any player the Broncos draft until he gives me reason to do otherwise. I guess that's too much for some. :noidea:

Let me guess, I should go to "Bears Forums" just because I disagree with two of our draft picks...:rolleyes:

Kind of how like you and some of the other ones told us to go to "Bears Forums" because we didn't like the fact that Jay Cutler was traded....:rolleyes:

[nevcraw]

I support any player the Broncos draft until he gives me reason to do otherwise. I guess that's too much for some. :noidea:

Ahh, Aren't you sweet! ;)

[honz]

It's called a backup QB with potential being selected in the 6th round. What a novel idea!

[BroncoWave]

Let me guess, I should go to "Bears Forums" just because I disagree with two of our draft picks...:rolleyes:

Kind of how like you and some of the other ones told us to go to "Bears Forums" because we didn't like the fact that Jay Cutler was traded....:rolleyes:

I've criticized some of our picks too, but that doesn't mean I won't support those players when they don orange and blue. You can criticize the pick and still support the player. It's not that hard a concept.

[getlynched47]

I've criticized some of our picks too, but that doesn't mean I won't support those players when they don orange and blue. You can criticize the pick and still support the player. It's not that hard a concept.

Okay then, I HATE the fact that we traded both of our 3rd rounders to pick up Richard Quinn when Jarron Gilbert was still on the board. I HATE the fact that we traded a 5th next year to grab Tom Brandstater. And I HATE the fact that we grabbed Darcel McBath when William Moore and Rashad Johnson were still on the board. Better?

[Nomad]

I support any player the Broncos draft until he gives me reason to do otherwise. I guess that's too much for some. :noidea:


I agree! What else can you do but support them.

[hamrob]

I like this pick. Why?

1. Smart, Smart, Smart
2. Physical speciman - 6'5" 220lbs & Atheletic
3. Stong arm
4. Leader, Leader, Leader

He played in the WAC and lacked top end coaching. Give the kid a couple years and I think we might have something.

Here's a short video clip and bio:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/tom-brandstater?id=71213

[Peerless]

I'm not getting my hopes up... but he's clearly a project (if he makes the team)

[BroncoWave]

Okay then, I HATE the fact that we traded both of our 3rd rounders to pick up Richard Quinn when Jarron Gilbert was still on the board. I HATE the fact that we traded a 5th next year to grab Tom Brandstater. And I HATE the fact that we grabbed Darcel McBath when William Moore and Rashad Johnson were still on the board. Better?

Fair enough. I'm not happy with all the picks either but it's not their fault that they got drafted by the Broncos so until they give me a reason not to, I'll support them and expect the best out of them! I'll also use this same logic to give our FO some leeway. Until they give me a reason to believe that they suck at drafting, I won't bash them; especially when not a single one of their draftees has had a chance to prove themselves on an NFL field.

[nevcraw]

It's called a backup QB with potential being selected in the 6th round. What a novel idea!


well not exactly.. It's called a project QB that was aquired in a trade for a 5 and 7 rounder.

On another note..
I just got a picture in my head of - Bowlen taking over the controls in the draft room looking something like the way he drives his golf cart on a drunk sunday..

[DenBronx]

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k272/DenBronx/rdh59h37.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k272/DenBronx/tom2.jpg

[DenBronx]

18 TD's, 22 INT's

If you don't support Cutler, I don't see why you would support this guy :rolleyes:


here's his stats at fresno state

2005 6 13 49 46.2 3.77 22 1 1 0 87.81
2006 146 268 1490 54.5 5.56 75 13 14 6 106.74
2007 211 337 2654 62.6 7.88 44 15 5 17 140.48
2008 221 371 2664 59.6 7.18 77 18 12 17 129.43

[BroncoWave]

here's his stats at fresno state

2005 6 13 49 46.2 3.77 22 1 1 0 87.81
2006 146 268 1490 54.5 5.56 75 13 14 6 106.74
2007 211 337 2654 62.6 7.88 44 15 5 17 140.48
2008 221 371 2664 59.6 7.18 77 18 12 17 129.43

GL47 posting something false? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! :lol:

[hamrob]

What were Cassell stats at USC? Anyone?

[getlynched47]

here's his stats at fresno state

2005 6 13 49 46.2 3.77 22 1 1 0 87.81
2006 146 268 1490 54.5 5.56 75 13 14 6 106.74
2007 211 337 2654 62.6 7.88 44 15 5 17 140.48
2008 221 371 2664 59.6 7.18 77 18 12 17 129.43

They said like 5 times on NFLN that it was 18 TD's and 22 INT's. Sucks that NFLN was wrong....

[getlynched47]

GL47 posting something false? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! :lol:

No, NFLN said it. Sorry that it was false info...

[2Fity@The303]

I like this pick. Why?

1. Smart, Smart, Smart
2. Physical speciman - 6'5" 220lbs & Atheletic
3. Stong arm
4. Leader, Leader, Leader

He played in the WAC and lacked top end coaching. Give the kid a couple years and I think we might have something.

Here's a short video clip and bio:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/tom-brandstater?id=71213


Actually, Pat Hill is one hell of a coach. His attitude "Any time, Any where" breathes confindence in the program he's built. When the Buffs canned Barnett a few years back, I was hoping we could pry him from FSU. One of the few teams that still run a pro-style offense, and his players usually do well in the NFL. Belicheat has always admired Pat Hill and his program, so to see McD follow suit, it does not surprise me.I don't like the fact we gave up next year's 5th, but hell, if McD has targeted Tom as his guy, what's a 5th if it works out? His competition is not a bunch of world-beaters, you realize....

This will be interesting to watch- We'll find out our HC's quarterback mentoring prowess first hand...

[Watchthemiddle]

Hopefully.

But say goodbye to the mid range and deep ball. Terrible down field thrower, and according to a negative scouting report he throws a lollipop that becomes a 50 50 ball.
Doesn't matter. The dude is a 6th round pick and won't be anything more than a serviceable backup at best, IMHO.

Well if you haven't noticed, the Broncos organization doesn't read the negative scouting reports on QB's. If they did, Cutler never would have gone as early as he did. He still hasn't improved throwing into triple coverage, throwing off his back foot, and still loses a lot of games.

[Ravage!!!]

I support any player the Broncos draft until he gives me reason to do otherwise. I guess that's too much for some. :noidea:

its not a matter of 'not' supporting the player.. its supporting the pick. We dont' know enough about this player yet... but that doesnt' mean we don't support HIM... it means we don't support the pick itself. Just because he was picked, doesn't mean we should automatically be HAPPY about it. Thats called thinking for yourself..... some have a hard time with that.

When this person is on the field, of course we support him. When at practice, in the training room, and anytime he represents the Broncos.. we support HIM...doesn't mean we support the choice that brought HIM here.

You are trying to make it sound as if its personal.

[nevcraw]

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k272/DenBronx/rdh59h37.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k272/DenBronx/tom2.jpg

I'm sure McD will give hime that number claiming no knowledge of their being savsy's at the Pro level..

[Watchthemiddle]

GL47 posting something false? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! :lol:

And Ravage believing everything he reads....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[Ravage!!!]

Well if you haven't noticed, the Broncos organization doesn't read the negative scouting reports on QB's. If they did, Cutler never would have gone as early as he did. He still hasn't improved throwing into triple coverage, throwing off his back foot, and still loses a lot of games.

:laughs at you: Keep preaching.. someday you MIGHT actualy get someone to think you make sense.

Tell me again that I should 'move on'??? :laugh: I love it when you preach through hypocritical teeth :beer:

[Watchthemiddle]

No, NFLN said it. Sorry that it was false info...

Your one of those that believes everything the hacks on TV tell ya. You know, the VAST majority of them..:laugh:

[BroncoWave]

its not a matter of 'not' supporting the player.. its supporting the pick. We dont' know enough about this player yet... but that doesnt' mean we don't support HIM... it means we don't support the pick itself. Just because he was picked, doesn't mean we should automatically be HAPPY about it. Thats called thinking for yourself..... some have a hard time with that.

When this person is on the field, of course we support him. When at practice, in the training room, and anytime he represents the Broncos.. we support HIM...doesn't mean we support the choice that brought HIM here.

You are trying to make it sound as if its personal.

Not at all.

I only posted that in response to GL47's statement that said "if you didn't support cutler than you cant support brandstater either". I was making it more clear why I support him and not Cutler.

[Watchthemiddle]

:laughs at you: Keep preaching.. someday you MIGHT actualy get someone to think you make sense.

Tell me again that I should 'move on'??? :laugh: I love it when you preach through hypocritical teeth :beer:

Obviously sarcasm is over your head....:rolleyes:

[DenBronx]

They said like 5 times on NFLN that it was 18 TD's and 22 INT's. Sucks that NFLN was wrong....


http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=56073

Statistics Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating Att Yds Avg TD
2008 371 221 59.6 2,664 18 12 129.4 51 -50 -1.0 4
2007 337 211 62.6 2,654 15 5 140.5 48 118 2.5 3
2006 268 146 54.5 1,490 13 14 106.7 32 86 2.7 1

[hamrob]

Actually, Pat Hill is one hell of a coach. His attitude "Any time, Any where" breathes confindence in the program he's built. When the Buffs canned Barnett a few years back, I was hoping we could pry him from FSU. One of the few teams that still run a pro-style offense, and his players usuall do well in the NFL. Belicheat has always admired Pat Hill and his program, so to see McD follow suit, it does not surprise me.I don't like the fact we gave up next year's 5th, but hell, if McD has targeted Tom as his guy, what's a 5th if it work out? His competition is not a bunch of world-beaters, you realize....

This will be interesting to watch- We'll find out our HC's quarterback mentoring prowess first hand...Fair enough statement. My point is...he hardly was tutored the way he will be my Hoodie Jr. Pat Hill might be an alright coach...but he's not exactly a trail blazer either. Overall, I like the project and the potential. Especially the leadership and IQ.

[NameUsedBefore]

I like it. It's a move that makes sense for once.

[Watchthemiddle]

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=56073

Statistics Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating Att Yds Avg TD
2008 371 221 59.6 2,664 18 12 129.4 51 -50 -1.0 4
2007 337 211 62.6 2,654 15 5 140.5 48 118 2.5 3
2006 268 146 54.5 1,490 13 14 106.7 32 86 2.7 1


Someone doing research instead of believing the VAST MAJORITY of hacks on TV...........NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[DenBronx]

2007 highlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1p-QWy3NAc

[getlynched47]

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=56073

Statistics Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating Att Yds Avg TD
2008 371 221 59.6 2,664 18 12 129.4 51 -50 -1.0 4
2007 337 211 62.6 2,654 15 5 140.5 48 118 2.5 3
2006 268 146 54.5 1,490 13 14 106.7 32 86 2.7 1

:lol: I'm not saying ur wrong dude. NFLN was wrong and I mistakenly posted what they said. Honestly, that makes me feel a little better about getting Brandstater, but I still hate parting with a 5th rounder next year.

[BroncoWave]

Ok, GL47, now that your "18-22" stat and you "he sucks because he got hurt at the combine" argument are out the window, what reason can you reach for now to tell us why he sucks?

[hamrob]

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=56073

Statistics Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating Att Yds Avg TD
2008 371 221 59.6 2,664 18 12 129.4 51 -50 -1.0 4
2007 337 211 62.6 2,654 15 5 140.5 48 118 2.5 3
2006 268 146 54.5 1,490 13 14 106.7 32 86 2.7 1

Looks like he played well against superior competition. Check his games stats.

[getlynched47]

:lol: I'm not saying ur wrong dude. NFLN was wrong and I mistakenly posted what they said. Honestly, that makes me feel a little better about getting Brandstater, but I still hate parting with a 5th rounder next year.


Ok, GL47, now that your "18-22" stat and you "he sucks because he got hurt at the combine" argument are out the window, what reason can you reach for now to tell us why he sucks?

:rolleyes: Now you're trying to pick a fight. But I'll be the mature one here......read the post I quoted right above this...

[BroncoWave]

:rolleyes: Now you're trying to pick a fight. But I'll be the mature one here......read the post I quoted right above this...

I posted that before I saw your post. Look at the post times.

[DenBronx]

:lol: I'm not saying ur wrong dude. NFLN was wrong and I mistakenly posted what they said. Honestly, that makes me feel a little better about getting Brandstater, but I still hate parting with a 5th rounder next year.


me too but its not a whole lot to give up.


think drew brees and then look at what we gave to get him.

[getlynched47]

I posted that before I saw your post. Look at the post times.

No biggie....

[DenBronx]

Looks like he played well against superior competition. Check his games stats.

i lived in fresno 5 years...ive seen alot of bulldog games. believe me when i tell you this. the bulldogs always seem to get the last of the last in talent yet somehow run a competitive program. they are in a tough division and play top schools. tom had to play through tough adversity. i think he will be put on PS and then brought in later to compete but i do see him making a push for starter in couple of years.

[Shazam!]

They got a 6'5" QB, one helluva athletic specimen who is obviously a project.

Physically some have compared him to Rivers.

I wish people would stop crying and bitching already.

[getlynched47]

They got a 6'5" QB, one helluva athletic specimen who is obviously a project.

Some have compared him to Rivers.

I wish people would stop crying and bitching already.

So because he's 6'5 he's all of a sudden a super star? Got it...

BTW, I'm pretty sure nobody except you or other forum members have compared him to Rivers.

We gave up a 5th next year FYI...

[Watchthemiddle]

So because he's 6'5 he's all of a sudden a super star? Got it...

BTW, I'm pretty sure nobody except you or other forum members have compared him to Rivers.

We gave up a 5th next year FYI...

Why not? Cutler has been considered a franchise QB just because he has a good arm.

[nevcraw]

They got a 6'5" QB, one helluva athletic specimen who is obviously a project.

Some have compared him to Rivers.

I wish people would stop crying and bitching already.

and I was just starting to warm up to the guy..

[xzn]

I swear some of you guys must complain about the sun rising...

[Lonestar]

my first choice was rhett bomar....but that didnt happen.

this is a project qb guys. he will ride the bench for a long time. he has alot of upside and his arm is nfl ready but im not so sure his mechanics are. alot of that can be taught and he has two solid vets to learn from in simms and orton.


at worst he is TC fodder and a PS QB

We all knew that they were going to bring in another QB for mini camps and TC.. if for no other reason to save our starters arm for the season..

Does anyone think mikey kept hackney on board for any other reason?

[Shazam!]

and I was just starting to warm up to the guy..

"Physically some have compared him to Rivers."

Edited.

[Shazam!]

I love how everyone knows who's a 'POS, a PS player, won't make the team and not even worth a pick' here. Amazing.

[Watchthemiddle]

I swear some of you guys must complain about the sun rising...

Why do you think they liked Cutler so much? Whine and pout if they don't get their way.

[Krugan]

Only if I forget to close the drapes.(The Sun thing)

So how much for a project, a PS guy, who has about as much chance to get anywhere as the guy we cut earlier this year.

We gave up a 5th and a 7th for a 6th round PS guy, is that to much?

[Tned]

Let me guess, I should go to "Bears Forums" just because I disagree with two of our draft picks...:rolleyes:

Kind of how like you and some of the other ones told us to go to "Bears Forums" because we didn't like the fact that Jay Cutler was traded....:rolleyes:

Hey, when you use BearsForums, you need to add a TM, as that puppy is mine.

Http://www.bearsforums.com ;)

[DenBronx]

and I was just starting to warm up to the guy..

i actually think he's more like drew brees but taller.

he's got quicker feet than rivers and not mouthy.

[DenBronx]

at worst he is TC fodder and a PS QB

We all knew that they were going to bring in another QB for mini camps and TC.. if for no other reason to save our starters arm for the season..

Does anyone think mikey kept hackney on board for any other reason?

yeah but unlike hackney i think brandstater is going to make it in this league. he just needs to be groomed. i think he fits the spread offense perfect.

[Mr D]

ESPN misspells his name.

Brandster possesses prototypical size and arm strength to make all the NFL throws. However, there are major concerns about his overall decision-making and pocket awareness.

[Shazam!]

...and all that can be coached.

[DenBronx]

...and all that can be coached.

suposedly thats what mcdaniels excells at. remember cassell never even got a chance to play at usc so at least this guy who fits his mold has some experience.

here is how him and cutler stack up against each other in their last 2 years of college.

cutler 31 td's
brandstater 33 td's

cutler 4917 passing yards
brandstater 5318 passing yards

brandstater also has a higher completion rating.

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2004 147 241 1844 61.0 7.65 80 10 5 24 134.81
2005 273 462 3073 59.1 6.65 47 21 9 24 126.07


2007 211 337 2654 62.6 7.88 44 15 5 17 140.48
2008 221 371 2664 59.6 7.18 77 18 12 17 129.43

[Mr D]

We will see, hopefully he can compete.

[nevcraw]

ESPN misspells his name.

Brandster possesses prototypical size and arm strength to make all the NFL throws. However, there are major concerns about his overall decision-making and pocket awareness.

"and he has been said to be a little premature with the ladies.. if you know what we mean"..

[Watchthemiddle]

suposedly thats what mcdaniels excells at. remember cassell never even got a chance to play at usc so at least this guy who fits his mold has some experience.

here is how him and cutler stack up against each other in their last 2 years of college.

cutler 31 td's
brandstater 33 td's

cutler 4917 passing yards
brandstater 5318 passing yards

brandstater also has a higher completion rating.

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2004 147 241 1844 61.0 7.65 80 10 5 24 134.81
2005 273 462 3073 59.1 6.65 47 21 9 24 126.07


2007 211 337 2654 62.6 7.88 44 15 5 17 140.48
2008 221 371 2664 59.6 7.18 77 18 12 17 129.43

What were their records as starters? :laugh:

[Lonestar]

suposedly thats what mcdaniels excells at. remember cassell never even got a chance to play at usc so at least this guy who fits his mold has some experience.

here is how him and cutler stack up against each other in their last 2 years of college.

cutler 31 td's
brandstater 33 td's

cutler 4917 passing yards
brandstater 5318 passing yards

brandstater also has a higher completion rating.

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2004 147 241 1844 61.0 7.65 80 10 5 24 134.81
2005 273 462 3073 59.1 6.65 47 21 9 24 126.07


2007 211 337 2654 62.6 7.88 44 15 5 17 140.48
2008 221 371 2664 59.6 7.18 77 18 12 17 129.43


OMG he is better than jay another Franchise QB...... :D

[hamrob]

Well Cutler played in the SEC and Brandstater played in the WAC. So, comparing their stats really isn't comparing apples to oranges...but it's nice to see that they had similar results anyway.

[hamrob]

OMG he is better than jay another Franchise QB...... :DIt's funny if not assinine that people actually disagree on Jay Cutler being a franchize QB.

Look he'll be that guy in Chicago now...but acting as though he is an so-so talent and not a blue chipper is pretty stupid.

[Drill-N-Fill]

After watching highlights of him, I'm totally disappointed.

[Lonestar]

It's funny if not assinine that people actually disagree on Jay Cutler being a franchize QB.

Look he'll be that guy in Chicago now...but acting as though he is an so-so talent and not a blue chipper is pretty stupid.

Why?

He was not a so so talent but he certainly will not be that franchise QB everyone seems to think he will be..

He had an extraordinary year with HC that knew the only way to save his bacon was to go vertical and out score everyone..

He was in the perfect storm.. one of the best OLINE at pass protect in the league, an ALL PRO WR and almost pro bowl WR on eh other side, perhaps one of the top 3 slot receives in the NFL, one of the best blocking TE's along with pretty great TE when he is healthy and last but not least a really damned good RB that caught a bunch of balls for the 5-6 games he played not to mention the running we got out of him..

couple that with a lousy defense, ZERO ST play and mikey the play caller..

sorry but he is gonna have almost none of that in bear land next year..

If you can see franchise out of that then have a ball..

[LRtagger]

stud

[Watchthemiddle]

It's funny if not assinine that people actually disagree on Jay Cutler being a franchize QB.

Look he'll be that guy in Chicago now...but acting as though he is an so-so talent and not a blue chipper is pretty stupid.

I'll ask you since guys like Ravage and others don't want to answer this question...

What exactly makes Cutler a Franchise QB?

Are you believing the VAST MAJORITY and the hype because of his arm?

[LoyalSoldier]

suposedly thats what mcdaniels excells at. remember cassell never even got a chance to play at usc so at least this guy who fits his mold has some experience.

here is how him and cutler stack up against each other in their last 2 years of college.

cutler 31 td's
brandstater 33 td's

cutler 4917 passing yards
brandstater 5318 passing yards

brandstater also has a higher completion rating.

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2004 147 241 1844 61.0 7.65 80 10 5 24 134.81
2005 273 462 3073 59.1 6.65 47 21 9 24 126.07


2007 211 337 2654 62.6 7.88 44 15 5 17 140.48
2008 221 371 2664 59.6 7.18 77 18 12 17 129.43

Cutler played in the SEC, Brandsater played in the WAC.

NO COMPARISON!

[Tned]

It's funny if not assinine that people actually disagree on Jay Cutler being a franchize QB.

Look he'll be that guy in Chicago now...but acting as though he is an so-so talent and not a blue chipper is pretty stupid.

ABM (anything but mikey). Jay was Mike's guy, therefore he sucks.

[Tned]

I'll ask you since guys like Ravage and others don't want to answer this question...

What exactly makes Cutler a Franchise QB?

Are you believing the VAST MAJORITY and the hype because of his arm?

Let's revisit the question in 3-4 years when he signs an extension to become one of the highest paid QBs in the game.

[DenBronx]

Let's revisit the question in 3-4 years when he signs an extension to become one of the highest paid QBs in the game.

if cutler plays anything like he did last year for us for them then i bet the give him a new deal at the end of this year. he will get a bigger deal than rivers.

[Shazam!]

Tom Bra...

[DenBronx]

Tom Bra...

...DY..ndstater


you never know. he is a clone what types of qbs new england loves.

[Shazam!]

I wonder if he'll get #6, so then I can bring my Cutler Jersey to a team apparel tailor and get Brandstater sewn in...

[DenBronx]

I wonder if he'll get #6, so then I can bring my Cutler Jersey to a team apparel tailor and get Brandstater sewn in...

he will get 12 or 16.

6 will be retired and hung next to 7. not as high up though. :cool:

[Shazam!]

I'm hoping he does get #6 so I don't throw another Broncos jersey in the Goodwill box with my Plummer jersey.

[Simple Jaded]

I'll ask you since guys like Ravage and others don't want to answer this question...

What exactly makes Cutler a Franchise QB?

Are you believing the VAST MAJORITY and the hype because of his arm?

Every single thing he brings to the table.......

[Tned]

if cutler plays anything like he did last year for us for them then i bet the give him a new deal at the end of this year. he will get a bigger deal than rivers.

That wouldn't surprise me, but I still think we need to wait 3-4 years to see if he is that franchise QB that most thinik he is.

[TXBRONC]

Hopefully.

But say goodbye to the mid range and deep ball. Terrible down field thrower, and according to a negative scouting report he throws a lollipop that becomes a 50 50 ball.

Doesn't matter. The dude is a 6th round pick and won't be anything more than a serviceable backup at best, IMHO.

If McDaniels is as good as people think he is at developing quarterbacks then he ought be able to develop Brandstater into starting quarterback.

[Watchthemiddle]

Every single thing he brings to the table.......

Nice vague answer...kind of like everyone else...

What does he bring to the table besides a strong arm?:laugh:...yup thats about it.

Thanks

[Watchthemiddle]

If McDaniels is as good as people think he is at developing quarterbacks then he ought be able to develop Brandstater into starting quarterback.

People don't have to THINK he is good at it, he has proven it.

[LoyalSoldier]

People don't have to THINK he is good at it, he has proven it.

We will see if it was him or the Pats that did it.

[TXBRONC]

We will see if it was him or the Pats that did it.

Brady was already top quarterback with a Super Bowl title under his belt before McDaniels became the quarterback's coach/offensive coordinator, in other word Charlie Weis is responsible for the maturation of Brady. Cassel it's hard to say, if he was just a one hit wonder with a terrific supporting cast and four years to learn the offense.

[TXBRONC]

If Brandstater doesn't pan out as quarterback he could always be team shrink his master's degree is in sports psychology. As they say the more you can do the better your chances of making the team. :D

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12234249

Broncos moving up to select QB
Intangibles of Fresno State's Brandstater intrigue McDaniels
By Lindsay H. Jones
The Denver Post
Posted: 04/27/2009 12:30:00 AM MDT

Kyle Orton and Chris Simms can rest easy — as easy as two players engaged in a quarterback competition can relax.

After a brief flirtation with Southern California quarterback Mark Sanchez, Broncos coach Josh McDaniels reinforced his confidence in his veteran quarterbacks by waiting until the first pick of the sixth round of Sunday's NFL draft to select a quarterback, Tom Brandstater from Fresno State.

Brandstater, who at 6-feet-5 and 220 pounds fits the physical mold for McDaniels' ideal quarterback, doesn't figure to be a major threat this season to pry the starting job from either Orton or Simms.

But who knows? Maybe eventually he will be the Broncos' starter.

The last two quarterbacks McDaniels coached, Tom Brady and Matt Cassel, were drafted even later — Brady at No. 199 in 2000, and Cassel at No. 230 in 2005.
"I'm looking forward to beginning to teach him and see how he can progress, but he has a long way to go," McDaniels said.

Still, McDaniels coveted Brandstater enough to move up 11 spots in the sixth round, to No. 174 overall, by trading the No. 185 pick and a fifth-rounder in 2010 to the Detroit Lions, to grab him.

McDaniels was intrigued not only by Brandstater's physical stature but those magical intangibles the coach has so frequently said he's looking for.

"He's smart. I like that a lot in every position, but especially at quarterback," McDaniels said.

Brandstater won academic all-Western Athletic Conference honors three times and received his bachelor's degree in communications before his junior season at Fresno State. He then received a master's degree in sports psychology in December.

"That's something I'm really proud of because of how hard I worked to get that done," Brandstater said.

Brandstater started 36 games for the Bulldogs. He threw for 2,664 yards, with 18 touchdowns and 12 interceptions as a senior. He had been projected as a second-day pick, perhaps as high as the fourth round.

Brandstater said he tried not to worry when the fourth and fifth rounds passed by without receiving a phone call, and he relied on advice he had received from Cassel, McDaniels' former protege in New England. Brandstater and Cassel share an agent.

"Basically, (Cassel) told me to hang in there and wait for the right situation," Brandstater said. "Everyone told me it's not when, it's where."

With only Orton and Simms ahead of him on the depth chart, Brandstater has a good chance to earn a roster spot this fall. He plans to be in Denver by Thursday and will participate in the team's mini-camp this weekend.

"I will work for the starting job, but then again, I'll also accept my role when it's delivered," Brandstater said.

Lindsay H. Jones: 303-954-1262 or ljones@denverpost.com

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2007 highlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1p-QWy3NAc

In this clip, Brandstater looks a lot like Orton in his clips I reviewed (which is
good, IMO). It didn't look as if Brandstater had very good protection from his
line, and he handled it well, at least in these highlights.

One thing McD should enjoy from Brandstater is better mobility that I have
seen from Brady or Cassell, or what Orton has. I'm not saying Brandstater
belongs in the class of any of them yet. I'm only comparing certain attributes.

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[Shazam!]

Bradstater's criticisms (decision making, accuracy, footwork) or all things that can be coached out of him.

McDaniels' haters can say what they want. Brady was developed by Weiss as said, but his best years were with McDaniels and the Offense was prolific. Cassel wasn't developed by McDaniels but he definitely had a huge hand in making him successful last season.

Brandstater is a tremendous physical specimen, and he played in a spread, that's why he wanted him. He may never be starting material, but even Sanchez may never be a successful starter. As a Coach if I needed a QB, I'd rather take two or three talented late round QBs that come cheap, see which one would make the grade and fit.

[Nomad]

Hopefully McDaniels is mentally strong because Brandstater will win the mind games!!:D

[Watchthemiddle]

Bradstater's criticisms (decision making, accuracy, footwork) or all things that can be coached out of him.

McDaniels' haters can say what they want. Brady was developed by Weiss as said, but his best years were with McDaniels and the Offense was prolific. Cassel wasn't developed by McDaniels but he definitely had a huge hand in making him successful last season.

Brandstater is a tremendous physical specimen, and he played in a spread, that's why he wanted him. He may never be starting material, but even Sanchez may never be a successful starter. As a Coach if I needed a QB, I'd rather take two or three talented late round QBs that come cheap, see which one would make the grade and fit.


Don't be so sure decision making can be coached out of him...it wasn't with Cutler. Maybe if he stuck around he could have got better coaching.

[Shazam!]

No WTM, but mechanics, footwork and decision making are issues that can be worked. That's my point. Raw talent he has.

[Peerless]

Cutler was pure talent. Damn, I miss my guy.

[Simple Jaded]

Don't be so sure decision making can be coached out of him...it wasn't with Cutler. Maybe if he stuck around he could have got better coaching.

If it can be coached out of Jake Plummer it can be coached out of anybody.......

[topscribe]

Nice interview between the Sports Guys and Tom Brandstater.

http://www.fm1043thefan.com/channels/audioOnDemand/Story.aspx?ID=1086913

If this has already been posted . . . well, here it is again. So what? :coffee:

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[TXBRONC]

If it can be coached out of Jake Plummer it can be coached out of anybody.......

But he reverted back to his old self in 2006.

[TXBRONC]

Nice interview between the Sports Guys and Tom Brandstater.

http://www.fm1043thefan.com/channels/audioOnDemand/Story.aspx?ID=1086913

If this has already been posted . . . well, here it is again. So what? :coffee:

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I liked what the kid had to say and I hope he can develop into elite quarterback.

[Dirk]

I liked what the kid had to say and I hope he can develop into elite quarterback.

Me too! But I am reserving that Elite status for Orton! Orton will be coached into a top 10 QB under this regime! (Optimism at it's best!) :salute:

[broncosfanxo]

Have any of you guys heard about Tom's off the field reputation? I thought he was more of a classy individual until I saw his facebook and myspace and he looks like a pretty big party animal! He has a bunch of pics partying, some at the playboy mansion, and one with a chick while he has a condom in his mouth (?) Any thoughts?

[nevcraw]

Have any of you guys heard about Tom's off the field reputation? I thought he was more of a classy individual until I saw his facebook and myspace and he looks like a pretty big party animal! He has a bunch of pics partying, some at the playboy mansion, and one with a chick while he has a condom in his mouth (?) Any thoughts?

since when did QB's need to be Jesuit Priests?

[topscribe]

Me too! But I am reserving that Elite status for Orton! Orton will be coached into a top 10 QB under this regime! (Optimism at it's best!) :salute:

I believe that's possible. Orton is going into only his third year, actually on the
field, so he has made a good accounting of himself for no more experience
than he has had, and with the WRs and O-line he had to work with and the
lack of a respectable running game.

Orton is tough, as attested by his playing just about the entire last half of
last year with a high ankle sprain. He also played his senior year at Purdue
with a hip pointer.

Orton has a very strong arm and is mobile. Okay, okay, so he's "no Cutler" in
either respect. Now that we have that out of the way, anyone who will go to
the trouble of honestly, open-mindedly researching the guy and spend some
real time observing him will be forced to admit that. (I had a low opinion of
Orton until I did that.)

McDaniels says Orton is very smart, and Orton's former staff at Chicago says
he is a leader, and his being a captain of that team bears witness to that.

Few are more accurate than Orton in short to medium passes. One of his
negatives has been his accuracy deep, but he has improved dramatically in
that since turning pro . . . he can throw the deep one on a rope, or he can
rainbow it over the outstretched hands of defenders into the waiting arms of
the receiver. And strength of arm has never been a problem: in college, he
threw it a measured 72 yards, and he suggested he could get another yard or
two on top of that.

Beginning this year, he has the best of all worlds: One of the best O-lines,
one of the best groups of receivers, a good running game, and maybe the
best QB coaches in the league (outside possibly Kubiak).

I may be wrong, but I will go out on a limb and say, don't be surprised if Orton
picks up where Cutler left off . . . not because I believe he's as good as
Cutler (I personally believe Cutler is potentially the best QB since Elway), but
because Denver is a dream job for a QB, and Orton is just the guy for it, IMO.


Regarding Brandstater, the topic of this thread, I like the kid. He has a real
cannon, and he is smart. But he's raw. Very raw. It's going to be two or
three years, IMO, before we will know about him.

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[DenBronx]

Have any of you guys heard about Tom's off the field reputation? I thought he was more of a classy individual until I saw his facebook and myspace and he looks like a pretty big party animal! He has a bunch of pics partying, some at the playboy mansion, and one with a chick while he has a condom in his mouth (?) Any thoughts?

better wrap up! those are my only thoughts....who else wouldnt be schlopping every peice of ass?

[SM19]

Have any of you guys heard about Tom's off the field reputation? I thought he was more of a classy individual until I saw his facebook and myspace and he looks like a pretty big party animal! He has a bunch of pics partying, some at the playboy mansion, and one with a chick while he has a condom in his mouth (?) Any thoughts?

My thoughts: If he hadn't had some good times while he was the big man on campus at Fresno State, I'd be worried that the guy didn't have a pulse. He's facing an uphill battle trying to make an NFL roster, and may well have hit the peak of his career in college; I'm certainly not going to criticize him for gathering his rosebuds while he may.