New Opt in thread?

[Dr Velcro]

Everything sans nudity.

This will allow the worst of the worst to go down....

Give the boys a boys club.

If others don't like what gets said, they stay out.

Thoughts?

[Tned]

I like nudity. Errr, female nudity.

[Dr Velcro]

I like nudity. Errr, female nudity.

Can we do this, Tned?

Please? This way it'll allow some of the banter to go down and everyone can still have fun.

No porn...or porn...whatever can be allowed. I don't know the rules.

Opt-In Boys Club/ Gentlemen's Club.

[sneakers]

I don't get it...

[slim]

Can we do this, Tned?

Please? This way it'll allow some of the banter to go down and everyone can still have fun.

No porn...or porn...whatever can be allowed. I don't know the rules.

Opt-In Boys Club/ Gentlemen's Club.

No vulva's allowed (present company excluded).

[Dr Velcro]

The Lounge needs a Champagne room.

[Northman]

I dont get it either. Dont we have a place like that already?

[Tned]

Can we do this, Tned?

Please? This way it'll allow some of the banter to go down and everyone can still have fun.

No porn...or porn...whatever can be allowed. I don't know the rules.

Opt-In Boys Club/ Gentlemen's Club.

Let's see what kind of feedback you get. As to nudity, no. I couldn't risk that without doing some sort of real age verification.

As to being more free for all, I wouldn't have a problem with that, per se, but the fact is that as we relaxed rules in the lounge, more and more people have been guilty of spilling lounge behavior into the main forums. So, my initial concern is that if we have a forum with even more lax rules, then we will have even more rules violations in the main forums.

That concern aside, I have no problem with the new forum if there is enough support for it.

[Dr Velcro]

I dont get it either. Dont we have a place like that already?

Nope. In this Opt-In...you can't report a post unless it's spam or porn.

I'd like to see how something like this would work out.

[slim]

If you don't get it, please leave your application at the door.

We will get back to you.

[Dr Velcro]

Champagne Room

[Gamechanger]

I'm all for it :werd:

[Northman]

Nope. In this Opt-In...you can't report a post unless it's spam or porn.

I'd like to see how something like this would work out.

Ah, i see. You want a free for all.

[Midnight Blue]

Just to understand/define the proposed new thread/subforum.... is the idea to make a place where today's deleted thread (I didn't see it, for the record) would be acceptable? While the board is definitely OK just as it is, an even-more-adult corner would be fine by me... but whatever the majority says.

[topscribe]

I thought they already just about have that in the Lounge and its sub-forums?

Oh well . . . It doesn't matter to me. I probably wouldn't be opting in, anyway . . . :coffee:

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[Midnight Blue]

I'd opt in, at least for a while to try it... how else would I know if I liked it or not? :D

[dogfish]

Champagne Room



naw. . . if they make a forum like that, you gotta call it the octagon. . . .

[Dr Velcro]

I want it.

I would consider it a to be a freedom of speech forum...

Where being PC is not needed & folks can say whatever they need to say.

Jokes can be made, fun can be had by all who dare to enter....I'd like to see how it would pan out.

[BigDaddyBronco]

I would support it. The key is no reporting. If someone gets their panties in a wad then they can leave.

Kind of a personal smack talk region.

[elsid13]

I just wonder how long before the first racial joke is made in said sub forum. Not because someone is a bigot, but because someone is trying to be funny.

Dr V. my question is "What part of the current policy in the lounge think you need to get a new opt-in area? "

[NightTrainLayne]

I would support it. The key is no reporting. If someone gets their panties in a wad then they can leave.

Kind of a personal smack talk region.

BDB. .. what happens when someone gets their feelers hurt in said sub-forum and then starts reporting every little mis-step outside of that sub-forum to get back at the other?

Just asking to see how this might play out in real life.

[claymore]

Let's see what kind of feedback you get. As to nudity, no. I couldn't risk that without doing some sort of real age verification.

As to being more free for all, I wouldn't have a problem with that, per se, but the fact is that as we relaxed rules in the lounge, more and more people have been guilty of spilling lounge behavior into the main forums. So, my initial concern is that if we have a forum with even more lax rules, then we will have even more rules violations in the main forums.

That concern aside, I have no problem with the new forum if there is enough support for it.

We can all PM you picks of our balls.

[claymore]

I just wonder how long before the first racial joke is made in said sub forum. Not because someone is a bigot, but because someone is trying to be funny.

Dr V. my question is "What part of the current policy in the lounge think you need to get a new opt-in area? "
Even racial jokes should be allowed. The lounge is great, but people treat it like the chit chat area and get their feelings hurt.

BDB. .. what happens when someone gets their feelers hurt in said sub-forum and then starts reporting every little mis-step outside of that sub-forum to get back at the other?

Just asking to see how this might play out in real life.
No reporting of posts. If they complain to a mod for anything minor they get access revoked.

I would say anything goes but illegal shit.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Let's see what kind of feedback you get. As to nudity, no. I couldn't risk that without doing some sort of real age verification.

As to being more free for all, I wouldn't have a problem with that, per se, but the fact is that as we relaxed rules in the lounge, more and more people have been guilty of spilling lounge behavior into the main forums. So, my initial concern is that if we have a forum with even more lax rules, then we will have even more rules violations in the main forums.

That concern aside, I have no problem with the new forum if there is enough support for it.

Why a new forum? Just relax the rules in the Lounge to accommodate Dr V's request.

[Dr Velcro]

I just wonder how long before the first racial joke is made in said sub forum. Not because someone is a bigot, but because someone is trying to be funny.

Dr V. my question is "What part of the current policy in the lounge think you need to get a new opt-in area? "

It doesn't matter. The only black guy we have here is GameChanger (I think) and he gets it. Everyone here loves him and he's got a good sense of humor.

He can call me a honkey all he wants there!

BDB hits the nail on the head. If people are easily offended, then they can stay out. This is why it's Opt-In.


BDB. .. what happens when someone gets their feelers hurt in said sub-forum and then starts reporting every little mis-step outside of that sub-forum to get back at the other?

Just asking to see how this might play out in real life.

Then that should tell you something about who starts crap on the forums and can't follow directions. If they are easily offended, they can stay out. It's "Opt-In" just for that reason.

The issue here is with true free speech and control.
You simply cannot control a person's thoughts on things.
A real, "say what you want to say" section.

A home base so the mods can go in and play too.
A place where banter can be played out without somebody reporting it.
It's a neutral zone....frat house of forums. If another poster isn't mature enough to handle it....they can just post in one of the many other places where they won't get easily offended.

Regular forums are strict.
The lounge and other Opt-Ins are Medium lax.
The (Insert Name Here) is a virtual free for all, sans porn.
I can even babysit there & watch out for porn w/o being a mod. The minute somebody posts porn (or breaks on of the very few rules there)...auto 7 day ban. I'm sure there might be a mod out there who would enjoy goin in and having at their buddies without being frowned on....playful banter.

If two posters are goin at each other in good fun...and an third comes in to play....but then get insulted, they ought to know better.

Doing this would also allow better rule enforcement in other sections of the forums & if it doesn't work...validates why things are the way they are. If a thread is flat out WRONG in the lounge...instead of hearing about it being deleted...then it can go into the "bad place", lol.

Simple concept. Take away the PC and let the banter begin.

[Dreadnought]

Even racial jokes should be allowed. The lounge is great, but people treat it like the chit chat area and get their feelings hurt.

No reporting of posts. If they complain to a mod for anything minor they get access revoked.

I would say anything goes but illegal shit.

You would have to repeal human nature for that to work IMO

[Dr Velcro]

Why a new forum? Just relax the rules in the Lounge to accommodate Dr V's request.

I wish that could be done, but there are some who like the medium lax in the lounge...they just don't like a lot of the racial & anti-women jokes (note...I said jokes) there. Some folks go in and get picked on just by posting in between two posters who are having fun. I like it...I think it's funny, but some don't. They get an insult thrown their way (playfully, mind you...being treated like one of the guys) and the next thing you know, folks are banned and other forum members are holding grudges, etc.

I don't want that. I don't want members to leave & I don't want mods to lose their friends here for trying to enforce rules. Plus, poor Tned needs a place to come in and poke fun at the horseman. Frau needs a place to make sex jokes like the rest of us.

Can't be PC all the time. We're sinners.

[Dr Velcro]

I just wonder how long before the first racial joke is made in said sub forum. Not because someone is a bigot, but because someone is trying to be funny.

Dr V. my question is "What part of the current policy in the lounge think you need to get a new opt-in area? "

My black friends have better white jokes than I have black jokes.
We all do it (poking fun at each other).....you can't just always laugh at situational/ corny things. Gotta laugh at ourselves & each other.

[claymore]

You would have to repeal human nature for that to work IMO

The only issue I see arising from it is if its carried on into another forum. People will eventually get their feelings hurt, if they do, they can just opt out, or if its visably affecting them you guys can remove it.

[Dreadnought]

The only issue I see arising from it is if its carried on into another forum. People will eventually get their feelings hurt, if they do, they can just opt out, or if its visably affecting them you guys can remove it.

Next question. If somebody threatens to chop off your head because you said something that pissed them off could you report that? Not like that would occur, right? Would a No Reporting rule apply then? If it doesn't, then there is no such thing as a No reporting rule

[Zweems56]

Like /b/, sans the CP?

[claymore]

Next question. If somebody threatens to chop off your head because you said something that pissed them off could you report that? Not like that would occur, right? Would a No Reporting rule apply then? If it doesn't, then there is no such thing as a No reporting rule

There is limits of course, no child porn and no death threats. Only a sick SOB would do either.

There has to be rules, but very few IMO.

I also think OPT in peeps should have at least a 1000 posts. A Mania guy or Mane guy wont know what hit them if they walk right in.

[Tned]

I also think OPT in peeps should have at least a 1000 posts. A Mania guy or Mane guy wont know what hit them if they walk right in.

Maner's are used to pretty much anything goes in their WPR. We are tame compared to much that goes on there.

I'll be honest, I think it's wishful thinking to believe it won't spill out into other forums. As I said, we have lounge stuff (circumventing language filter and sexual stuff) spilling out, and we have hard feelings from P&R spilling into regular forums.

For those that take it as a big joke, it likely wouldn't be a problem, but we have quite a few people that when they get their feelings hurt, they lash out whenever and wherever they can.

[Dr Velcro]

Next question. If somebody threatens to chop off your head because you said something that pissed them off could you report that? Not like that would occur, right? Would a No Reporting rule apply then? If it doesn't, then there is no such thing as a No reporting rule

That depends...was the person stupid enough to give out their personal info to somebody who would make those threats? Do you think somebody on here would really go and chop off a head?

Dread, if I said I'm gonna chop off your head...would you really take hat seriously? God, I hope not.

Personally, if I'm going to be in there and get a death threat (and take it seriously)...then I'll opt out, lol...as anyone should if they so feel the need.

t's about where your comfort levels are, Dread.

You, obviously being a bit more conservative...have different views than others & are going to mod in accordance to what you feel is right/ wrong. Others are going to be a bit more liberal. Some...are going to be flat out free balling....if you will.

All, however, should have an opportunity to express. Even if it is a bit more riske' for your tastes.

Words are words. The forum I'm asking about may be in poor taste, but sometimes a bit of poor taste makes other aspects of the boards a bit tastier.

One forum, one or two rules to protect the overall site....no reporting. Instant ban for anyone who breaks the golden rule. I'd like to see what happens.

[Dreadnought]

That depends...was the person stupid enough to give out their personal info to somebody who would make those threats? Do you think somebody on here would really go and chop off a head?

I picked that example for a very particular reason, in that we had exactly that threat made to a member, and it was not a joke.

[claymore]

Maner's are used to pretty much anything goes in their WPR. We are tame compared to much that goes on there.

I'll be honest, I think it's wishful thinking to believe it won't spill out into other forums. As I said, we have lounge stuff (circumventing language filter and sexual stuff) spilling out, and we have hard feelings from P&R spilling into regular forums.

For those that take it as a big joke, it likely wouldn't be a problem, but we have quite a few people that when they get their feelings hurt, they lash out whenever and wherever they can.

The spillage, I dont have an answer for, maybe make all sections opt in, instead of a ban from the whole site, they get banned from whatever section the offense occured in.

[Dr Velcro]

Maner's are used to pretty much anything goes in their WPR. We are tame compared to much that goes on there.

I'll be honest, I think it's wishful thinking to believe it won't spill out into other forums. As I said, we have lounge stuff (circumventing language filter and sexual stuff) spilling out, and we have hard feelings from P&R spilling into regular forums.

For those that take it as a big joke, it likely wouldn't be a problem, but we have quite a few people that when they get their feelings hurt, they lash out whenever and wherever they can.

People who cannot express their own thoughts without cramming those thoughts down somebody else's throats are likely the ones to get offended.

It's a matter of control when somebody puts down anothers opinions.
Instead of asking questions to gain more perspective & being respectful when you do not agree....they try to hush the other person. Control them.

Why the forum?

Because I don't get my feelings hurt easily. I don't want to force my lifestyle or opinions on others. My morals are my own, but I'd like to make a good joke without offending the others.

I don't like to be under control. I'm an American, a non-denominational Christian & an independent. I HATE PC. I believe in being respectful of other's opinions, but (for example) if I want to rant with Claymore, Frau or CSWILL and have fun poking fun at each other...then I don't want to be reported
because I made a joke that goes against somebody's religious or political or whatever views. I do not want to be controlled because I'm offending somebody with my own anti-women jokes.

If it rolls out into other forums, then that poster shouldn't be here if they can't obey the rules. Give them warning & ban them accordingly.

If they are going to "opt-in" they sign off on being offended.

If it works...kewl. If not...then remove it and there you have a better standpoint to enforce things in the Lounge.

[claymore]

People who cannot express their own thoughts without cramming those thoughts down somebody else's throats are likely the ones to get offended.

It's a matter of control when somebody puts down anothers opinions.
Instead of asking questions to gain more perspective & being respectful when you do not agree....they try to hush the other person. Control them.

Why the forum?

Because I don't get my feelings hurt easily. I don't want to force my lifestyle or opinions on others. My morals are my own, but I'd like to make a good joke without offending the others.

I don't like to be under control. I'm an American, a non-denominational Christian & an independent. I HATE PC. I believe in being respectful of other's opinions, but (for example) if I want to rant with Claymore, Frau or CSWILL and have fun poking fun at each other...then I don't want to be reported
because I made a joke that goes against somebody's religious or political or whatever views. I do not want to be controlled because I'm offending somebody with my own anti-women jokes.

If it rolls out into other forums, then that poster shouldn't be here if they can't obey the rules. Give them warning & ban them accordingly.

If they are going to "opt-in" they sign off on being offended.

If it works...kewl. If not...then remove it and there you have a better standpoint to enforce things in the Lounge.

Sweeten the deal with a real pic of your boobs. :flame:

[Dr Velcro]

I picked that example for a very particular reason, in that we had exactly that threat made to a member, and it was not a joke.

That person would have made the threat anywhere at anytime...given his or her mood. It has nothing to do with the rules and what's allowed and not allowed.

You cannot put harsh restrictions on the masses when one or two act-up.

Freedom of speech & expression without fear of persecution or punishment.

That's what I want. Even if just for a day or two. I want to see what would happen when you remove the straps.

[turftoad]

People who cannot express their own thoughts without cramming those thoughts down somebody else's throats are likely the ones to get offended.

It's a matter of control when somebody puts down anothers opinions.
Instead of asking questions to gain more perspective & being respectful when you do not agree....they try to hush the other person. Control them.

Why the forum?

Because I don't get my feelings hurt easily. I don't want to force my lifestyle or opinions on others. My morals are my own, but I'd like to make a good joke without offending the others.

I don't like to be under control. I'm an American, a non-denominational Christian & an independent. I HATE PC. I believe in being respectful of other's opinions, but (for example) if I want to rant with Claymore, Frau or CSWILL and have fun poking fun at each other...then I don't want to be reported
because I made a joke that goes against somebody's religious or political or whatever views. I do not want to be controlled because I'm offending somebody with my own anti-women jokes.

If it rolls out into other forums, then that poster shouldn't be here if they can't obey the rules. Give them warning & ban them accordingly.

If they are going to "opt-in" they sign off on being offended.

If it works...kewl. If not...then remove it and there you have a better standpoint to enforce things in the Lounge.

Doc, I think you are giving people to much credit if you think this won't cause problems.
JMO

[Dr Velcro]

Doc, I think you are giving people to much credit if you think this won't cause problems.
JMO

No, I have faith.

Some people want to be controlled & some want to control others.
Good for them, let them stay out of that forum.

Freedom of speech....expression.

Also, drama queens will be forewarned. You won't get rescued.
You will get your feelings hurt and insulted if you come in wanting to play like the big kids do.

Those who are known to "offend" here? They are less likely to pull me apart for my own personal opinions or beliefs....just sayin.

[dogfish]

Doc, I think you are giving people to much credit if you think this won't cause problems.
JMO



yep-- the doc is a unique individual, she really is giving people too much credit. . . . doesn't matter a bit to me if it happens, but i think T has to ask himself if he really wants a cesspool of racist and homophobic jokes. . . .

[Dr Velcro]

I think shock value is a huge part of why these jokes are posted in the first place....well, that and some of them really are funny....even to those whom the jokes are aimed.

And let's face it...WE'RE funny. With every tiny, intricate facet of our personalities...all the contradictions...it IS funny.

People take themselves WAY, WAY, WAY too seriously.

In the grand scheme of things....when the bigger picture is presented, none of this really matters.

But, I digress.

[topscribe]

Maner's are used to pretty much anything goes in their WPR. We are tame compared to much that goes on there.

I'll be honest, I think it's wishful thinking to believe it won't spill out into other forums. As I said, we have lounge stuff (circumventing language filter and sexual stuff) spilling out, and we have hard feelings from P&R spilling into regular forums.

For those that take it as a big joke, it likely wouldn't be a problem, but we have quite a few people that when they get their feelings hurt, they lash out whenever and wherever they can.

The issue involves more than big jokes and getting "feelings hurt." You have
several issues to consider here.

First, you have a problem with identification. With the major races and other
characteristics, that may not be a problem. Black, Jew, Polish, blonde, and tall
jokes circulate, and some of the most active in such jokes and innuendo are
those who belong to those respective classes themselves.

But there is another matter of the nature in which I was involved on another
part of this board. To take shots at those inflicted with epilepsy,
schizophrenia, diabetes, and even retardation is out of line anywhere. It tends
to brand those specific groups with identifications that affect their status in
society and affect their own self-image. It sets them back.

(This strikes home to me because I am involved in a charitable nonprofit
organization that in fact advocates for and works with such people to help
raise their status and ability to take hold of opportunity.)

So where do you draw the line? Or can it be drawn at all?

Second, you have the image of the board itself. Even if the forum is opt-in,
even its existence on the board is bound to shape the opinions of people in a
negative fashion . . . people who matter.

There are a lot of places people who want to dabble in this sort of thing can
go to do so. I don't see the necessity of having it here. I can see nothing
good coming from it. Nothing good, whatsoever.

P.S. I don't see where "freedom of speech" applies here. This is a private forum,
privately funded, and its posters are guests here. Rules and guidelines are set
forth and agreed to, in order to participate. We have freedom within those
rules and guidelines, but not beyond them.

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[Denver Native (Carol)]

Another thought - there have been times I have googled to find something to do with a Bronco player, etc, and one of the selections that came up was a post on Broncos Forums. With this being an opt in, and if any one out there googled in something that contained a word in a thread/post, would it show on google, and if it did show, would there be any repercussions associated with that, in regards to Broncos Forums?

Just throwing this out there, as obviously, I have no idea on this.

[NightTrainLayne]

Another thought - there have been times I have googled to find something to do with a Bronco player, etc, and one of the selections that came up was a post on Broncos Forums. With this being an opt in, and if any one out there googled in something that contained a word in a thread/post, would it show on google, and if it did show, would there be any repercussions associated with that, in regards to Broncos Forums?

Just throwing this out there, as obviously, I have no idea on this.

It's my understanding that the opt-in stuff won't show on a google search because the web-crawlers can't get into those opt-in areas.

[Dr Velcro]

Right on, Top. I see your points here.

I understand that you are protective of others and their rights/ feelings.
I DO see things from your point of view & I even agree with most of it.

Schizophrenia IS funny, btw. It has its moments....trust me.
My father & both of my brothers are "sick".

One of my brothers is also deaf & has recently been diagnosed with minor brain damage....so you could say that he is NOW mildy retarded. He, prior to being sick...was my rock and cared for me a lot when I was little. Heartbreaking.


I'm not sensitive to it....not anymore. And most of the time...neither are those who are going through it. Gotta laugh at it. You have to or you will sink and your spirit dies.

The down-trodden DO have a voice in this world.

I'm only talking about a place where the very "colorful", playful banter that I've come to know and enjoy here doesn't "offend" people with more conservative points of view.

[Thnikkaman]

Like politics and religion, how do you keep this from spilling out?

[NightTrainLayne]

Like politics and religion, how do you keep this from spilling out?

Pray. . . .oops, religion spilling out there. :D

[gnomeflinger]

Are you suggesting a mud slinging pit, yet at the end of the day, we all shower and shake hands?

[Buff]

BDB. .. what happens when someone gets their feelers hurt in said sub-forum and then starts reporting every little mis-step outside of that sub-forum to get back at the other?

Umm, you tell them to get a life or ****?

[BigDaddyBronco]

Maybe I'm naive, but I don't see this turning into a cesspool of racist and sexist jokes or anything. I just think this would allow some self policing without getting the mods and admin involved. Some people have problems reporting posts and want to deal with flame-baiters themselves. This gives them the opportunity to do so without breaking the rules.

Frankly, most of the really nasty fights on here have been about football.

[Tned]

Like politics and religion, how do you keep this from spilling out?

You can't. IMO, there is a 100% chance it will spill into the other forums.

[Dreadnought]

Maybe I'm naive, but I don't see this turning into a cesspool of racist and sexist jokes or anything. I just think this would allow some self policing ....

Frankly, most of the really nasty fights on here have been about football.

Thats a huge problem IMO. That might lead to "mobbing" of weak, new, or somehow "unworthy" posters, something which in my view can never be anything but destructive, and ought never be allowed. This would be sanctioned vigilantism

As far as the second part, I agree. Who'd a thunk a coaching change could be more divisive than a Presidential election? The Mods somehow thought things would chill here after Nov. 08 :D

[BigDaddyBronco]

Ok, how can I put this without using names...

Well I can't.

Let's say I'm talking smack to someone who spends time in the Lounge say, NTL. I know NTL can take it because of our relationship. But I wouldn't ever talk smack to Carol (just a far-fetched example), ever. I don't know her personally, and she doesn't spend time in the Lounge. What if Carol started laying the wood to me, what would I do? Run to the mods and complain, or give her some smack back? Maybe I should say something to the mods, but that is not my first reaction, so I say something that gets me banned.

I am in the wrong, but hell, I'm human, and it's hard to restrain yourself when you feel that you've been wronged.

If I'm in a place where I can go double barrel on her, then maybe she doesn't go there to begin with.

[Buff]

To this day, I still don't understand why people report posts, and I don't understand why there is even a need for moderators to police discussions aside from preventing threats and spam. So I'm all in favor of the no-holds-barred forum.

The people who demand something be removed because it offends them (which is essentially what reporting a post is doing) ruin my message board experience far more than the people who post the "offensive" material in the first place. It's always so subjective, and self-serving.

And while this is completely off topic, I have a theory on why some of the girls get a bad reputation around here--I'd be willing to bet that a substantially higher percentage of females report posts regularly than do the males on the board. Some might not get hassled so much if it didn't feel like they were constantly trying to interject in conversations that they probably have no business being in (if they are so easily offended.)

[BigDaddyBronco]

Thats a huge problem IMO. That might lead to "mobbing" of weak, new, or somehow "unworthy" posters, something which in my view can never be anything but destructive, and ought never be allowed. This would be sanctioned vigilantism

As far as the second part, I agree. Who'd a thunk a coaching change could be more divisive than a Presidential election? The Mods somehow thought things would chill here after Nov. 08 :D

If it is opt-in then put on the big boy pants before you go in. Otherwise you are in a safe zone and should be left alone.

It's a very tough line to walk, and I understand your pain, but we have rules and grey areas and different opinions and all. It just seems that we can't really get to someone without crying to momma. Some people just don't have that in them.

[Dreadnought]

To this day, I still don't understand why people report posts, and I don't understand why there is even a need for moderators to police discussions aside from preventing threats and spam. So I'm all in favor of the no-holds-barred forum.

The people who demand something be removed because it offends them (which is essentially what reporting a post is doing) ruin my message board experience far more than the people who post the "offensive" material in the first place. It's always so subjective, and self-serving.

And while this is completely off topic, I have a theory on why some of the girls get a bad reputation around here--I'd be willing to bet that a substantially higher percentage of females report posts regularly than do the males on the board. Some might not get hassled so much if it didn't feel like they were constantly trying to interject themselves into conversations that they probably have no business being in (if they are so easily offended.)

You could not be more wrong if you tried on that portion. As a rule, I've found that the women almost never report posts.

[Buff]

You could not be more wrong if you tried on that portion. As a rule, I've found that the women almost never report posts.

I'll have to take your word for it, but I find that extremely hard to believe.

[Dreadnought]

If it is opt-in then put on the big boy pants before you go in. Otherwise you are in a safe zone and should be left alone.

It's a very tough line to walk, and I understand your pain, but we have rules and grey areas and different opinions and all. It just seems that we can't really get to someone without crying to momma. Some people just don't have that in them.

The "crying to Momma" part of that is kind of silly, BDB. To my own thinking if there is anyrthing worse than Mafia like "Codes of Silence" I don't know what they are. They are usually imposed on others by cowards and bullies (think convicts, gangs, mafiosi, crooked cops, etc.) as a means to protect themselves, and have nothing to do with any kind of "honor."

[dogfish]

i think we need to make buff a mod. . . . :D

[Dreadnought]

I'll have to take your word for it, but I find that extremely hard to believe.

Based on what, Buff? Assumptions? Stereotypes? What you'd prefer to think or would be more comfortable to think?

Denver Native Carol does report a good deal. I know this is technically talking out of school, but She is far and away the board leader in blowing in duplicate threads and Spammers. I don't think thats what you mean though.

[BigDaddyBronco]

The "crying to Momma" part of that is kind of silly, BDB. To my own thinking if there is anyrthing worse than Mafia like "Codes of Silence" I don't know what they are. They are usually imposed on others by cowards and bullies (think convicts, gangs, mafiosi, crooked cops, etc.) as a means to protect themselves, and have nothing to do with any kind of "honor."
So if I get all upset and start foaming at the mouth over what someone says on an internet message board, not real life, but an internet message board, I'm a rational person?

Comparing anything that has gone on in a message board to the mafia is a little extreme to me.

[Lonestar]

You can't. IMO, there is a 100% chance it will spill into the other forums.

As it has and will again the past few days are testament of that.. and wait until draft day and the days after that..

hard feelings, name calling and are not forgotten. and it taints the rest of the forum because of it..

What some feel is jest or humor others when that "humor" is directed at them find other ways to get back and that breeds even more hate and discontent..

Normally I stay out of these threads to allow others to their say without my thoughts influencing or hindering public discourse, but this IMHO is not a GOOD idea.... I see nothing but havoc coming from it..

[deacon]

Let's see what kind of feedback you get. As to nudity, no. I couldn't risk that without doing some sort of real age verification.

As to being more free for all, I wouldn't have a problem with that, per se, but the fact is that as we relaxed rules in the lounge, more and more people have been guilty of spilling lounge behavior into the main forums. So, my initial concern is that if we have a forum with even more lax rules, then we will have even more rules violations in the main forums.

That concern aside, I have no problem with the new forum if there is enough support for it.

You folks have the right to do whatever you want but I don't see any difference in what is being proposed than the lounge as it is presently run.

One request I would have is that the thread titles need to fit the forum regulations as they're out there for everyone to see. What is said in the threads is ok by me as I choose not to read but I have no choice with the titles.

I recommend the new forum be called "The Septic Tank"

[Dreadnought]

So if I get all upset and start foaming at the mouth over what someone says on an internet message board, not real life, but an internet message board, I'm a rational person?

Comparing anything that has gone on in a message board to the mafia is a little extreme to me.

No thats not the equation at all. Of course it would be ridiculous to make that comparison. The parallel though is the ethic that says its wrong to blow the whistle when somebody does something outside the rules. It helps make civil life that much more unpleasent. here its a very small deal. If you are tyrannized by gangs or crooked Cops in the real World its a very big deal.

[BigDaddyBronco]

No thats not the equation at all. Of course it would be ridiculous to make that comparison. The parallel though is the ethic that says its wrong to blow the whistle when somebody does something outside the rules. It helps make civil life that much more unpleasent. here its a very small deal. If you are tyrannized by gangs or crooked Cops in the real World its a very big deal.

It would be nice if everyone played by the rules. But we have grey areas, we all know that. I would get more leeway than others because I don't have a bad history with anyone (I think). We have grey areas because it is a community and we all are here to have fun.

So how do I know what the boundaries of the grey areas are? Things I see some days make me cringe, but nothing happens, other days people get banned. What V is suggesting is an area for a free-for-all with little to no rules, but what that does is define the rules and makes it easier to define the grey areas outside of this new opt-in forum.

Maybe the Lounge is just changed a little and the Chit-chat forum is more widely used, but I could see some value.

[topscribe]

Based on what, Buff? Assumptions? Stereotypes? What you'd prefer to think or would be more comfortable to think?

Denver Native Carol does report a good deal. I know this is technically talking out of school, but She is far and away the board leader in blowing in duplicate threads and Spammers. I don't think thats what you mean though.

I might expand on that by pointing out that Carol's situation is a bit different
from the other women on the board. Carol is one of the Founders of the board.
She has many, many hours of sweat and tears (maybe not so much blood?)
in helping to build this board.. You cannot go anywhere on this board and not
find her fingerprints all over it. She has a LOT invested here. So that is why
you see her more active than the norm in these areas.

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[Tned]

I'll have to take your word for it, but I find that extremely hard to believe.

The truth is often hard to believe. Your choice as to whether you believe it or want to think we would lie about it.

Without going back and doing the math, I would say I am about 99% sure, that if you look at the number of 'active' female posters vs. 'active' male posters, that the percentage of reported posts from female posters is WAY below their percentage of the community makeup. Meaning, the men on this forum are much more likely to report posts than the women.

Perceptions are often warped, and some of the things posted yesterday will likely warp those perceptions even more, but the truth of the situation is WAY different than the perception some of you guys apparently have.

[Broncospsycho77]

What happened yesterday?

[Midnight Blue]

I have a rule of thumb for post-reporting (yes, I have reported a couple of posts here). I'm a moderator on another messageboard and the rule is this: if I encounter a post that makes me think to myself "if that post were on the board I moderate, I'd want to know about it"... then I click the button. Otherwise, meh.

[BigDaddyBronco]

What happened yesterday?
Nothing, move along...move along.

[Midnight Blue]

What happened yesterday?

The Falcons traded for Tony G.

[Tned]

The truth is often hard to believe. Your choice as to whether you believe it or want to think we would lie about it.

Without going back and doing the math, I would say I am about 99% sure, that if you look at the number of 'active' female posters vs. 'active' male posters, that the percentage of reported posts from female posters is WAY below their percentage of the community makeup. Meaning, the men on this forum are much more likely to report posts than the women.

Perceptions are often warped, and some of the things posted yesterday will likely warp those perceptions even more, but the truth of the situation is WAY different than the perception some of you guys apparently have.

As Carol's name has been brought up, and as mentioned, she does a great job of helping find dupe posts that need to be merged, spammers, etc., if you were to remove Carol's reports from the mix, then the amount of reports from men completely and utterly outweigh those by the women. I raise my percentage to 100% certain.


I'm not slamming anyone, because I think reporting posts is ESSENTIAL for this message board to run in something close to a civil manner and make it a friendly environment for as many people as possible, but it's just hillarious the misperception people have about who reports posts and who complains the most.

[dogfish]

What happened yesterday?


tubby got banned and the horsemen spent the day crying about it. . . . :listen:

[Dreadnought]

I have a rule of thumb for post-reporting (yes, I have reported a couple of posts here). I'm a moderator on another messageboard and the rule is this: if I encounter a post that makes me think to myself "if that post were on the board I moderate, I'd want to know about it"... then I click the button. Otherwise, meh.

Exactly. A high percentage of Reports we get are "Third party", i.e. made by somebody completely uninvolved in the reported exchange, often in the spirit "you guys might want to look at this" or "is this OK?'

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Since I somehow became a sub-topic here, you need to hear it from me. On occasion, I do report posts/threads - NOT BECAUSE I AM TRYING TO GET MEMBERS IN TROUBLE, but for reasons such as: A thread has been started in the wrong area, two threads need to be merged, etc, etc. - ON OCCASION, I HAVE REPORTED A POST BECAUSE IT VIOLATES THE COC, but I can ASSURE you that I do not spend my time looking all thru forums just to find a post(s) that I can report. I also will send pms to different mods when I see something.

[Tned]

Exactly. A high percentage of Reports we get are "Third party", i.e. made by somebody completely uninvolved in the reported exchange, often in the spirit "you guys might want to look at this" or "is this OK?'

Glad you brought this up, because this is another big misperception. I don't know the percentatge breakdown, but I would guess most, and well more than 50%, are of the third party of variety. It's much more rare for people to report attacks against themselves, then against others.

[Buff]

Glad you brought this up, because this is another big misperception. I don't know the percentatge breakdown, but I would guess most, and well more than 50%, are of the third party of variety. It's much more rare for people to report attacks against themselves, then against others.

Which is what gets me so worked up. Why can't people mind their own business? Where do they get off subjecting their standards of decency on everyone else.

[Lonestar]

Glad you brought this up, because this is another big misperception. I don't know the percentatge breakdown, but I would guess most, and well more than 50%, are of the third party of variety. It's much more rare for people to report attacks against themselves, then against others.

I'd guess without researching it that it is more like 90% someone saying this is not right..

very few folks report someone that is attacking them.. UNLESS they themselves have just receive a cease and desist PM from a mod..

I'd also say that about 40% of the reported posts come from mods or Tned asking for others thoughts on a subject or post..

[Dreadnought]

Which is what gets me so worked up. Why can't people mind their own business? Where do they get off subjecting their standards of decency on everyone else.

Because they have the basic decency to want to take action when they see someone else getting abused. Look up Kitty Genovese sometime. She was stabbed to death in Queens while 40+ onl;ookers pretended not to notice because it was none of their business

[NightTrainLayne]

Because they have the basic decency to want to take action when they see someone else getting abused. Look up Kitty Genovese sometime. She was stabbed to death in Queens while 40+ onl;ookers pretended not to notice because it was none of their business

Well. . .who are they to enforce their arbitrary moral code on those fellows? :laugh:


Sorry, couldn't resist a bad attempt at humor. I mean no offense Buff.

[Tned]

Which is what gets me so worked up. Why can't people mind their own business? Where do they get off subjecting their standards of decency on everyone else.

Because, the 'community' is what defines the standards. It isn't about one person wanting a free-for-all, and another wanting a church social. It's about what the community at large wants. Clearly, as shown in all of our Town Hall discussions and by the reported posts, the community at large wants a moderated, somewhat civil environment.

A line I have used since almost day one is that we need to strive to run this community the way the 70-80% in the middle want it run, not cater to the crudest or prudest among us. Maybe not the best phrase, but I like it because crude and prude rhyme.

What I mean is that as a community, we cannot define our rules by what the fringes, the 10-15% on each extreme that either want anything goes, or nothing allowed. We have to shoot for the middle ground that accommodates as many people as possible.

[underrated29]

hell i dont even know how to report a post. I mean i made my first ever poll like 2 weeks ago.

I would be down with the new idea. But frankly i could care less. Girls with less clothing is always.

My personal opinion is that it wont last maybe more than 2 months before it turns out to be a huge fiasco, but like i said i am down with it.

[Midnight Blue]

Which is what gets me so worked up. Why can't people mind their own business? Where do they get off subjecting their standards of decency on everyone else.

Buff, it's because the moderators on any given forum cannot possibly be expected to see every single post... so it's up to the community to help out if one encounters something that even might be questionable. This is not to subject anyone to the "reporter's" standards, but to call the mods' attention to the post so that they can determine whether it's OK or not.

[Lonestar]

Because, the 'community' is what defines the standards. It isn't about one person wanting a free-for-all, and another wanting a church social. It's about what the community at large wants. Clearly, as shown in all of our Town Hall discussions and by the reported posts, the community at large wants a moderated, somewhat civil environment.

A line I have used since almost day one is that we need to strive to run this community the way the 70-80% in the middle want it run, not cater to the crudest or prunest among us. Maybe not the best phrase, but I like it because crude and prune rhyme.

What I mean is that as a community, we cannot define our rules by what the fringes, the 10-15% on each extreme that either want anything goes, or nothing allowed. We have to shoot for the middle ground that accommodates as many people as possible.

IN your case edited for accuracy..:laugh:

[Buff]

Because they have the basic decency to want to take action when they see someone else getting abused. Look up Kitty Genovese sometime. She was stabbed to death in Queens while 40+ onl;ookers pretended not to notice because it was none of their business

I'm glad you used that as an example because it illustrates the disconnect between how someone like yourself views your job and how someone like me views your job.

I think that's an absolutely asinine analogy becase we're not dealing in terms of life or death, and we're not dealing with physical abuse. We're talking about people getting needled on the internet. In an opt-in adult forum nonetheless.

Most of the time, the only difference between taking action on a post and not taking action is that you're then pissing off two people instead of one.

[Dreadnought]

I'm glad you used that as an example because it illustrates the disconnect between how someone like yourself views your job and how someone like me views your job.

I think that's an absolutely asinine analogy becase we're not dealing in terms of life or death, and we're not dealing with physical abuse. We're talking about people getting needled on the internet. In an opt-in adult forum nonetheless.

Most of the time, the only difference between taking action on a post and not taking action is that you're then pissing off two people instead of one.

What, so then we ignore little stuff that we know is wrong then? Nonsense. The analogy was apt.

[Buff]

My last sentence didn't make sense... What I was trying to say is that moderating alienates people more than not moderating IMO... But I have a feeling I'm in the minority on that one.

[Buff]

What, so then we ignore little stuff that we know is wrong then? Nonsense. The analogy was apt.

I just have a problem with authority in general (shocker coming from a hippie.)

I don't like putting anyone in charge of deciding what is right and what is wrong. It's just a difference in philosophy. I'm part of the 15% crude crowd.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Buff, it's because the moderators on any given forum cannot possibly be expected to see every single post... so it's up to the community to help out if one encounters something that even might be questionable. This is not to subject anyone to the "reporter's" standards, but to call the mods' attention to the post so that they can determine whether it's OK or not.

Also - a reported post is NOT automatically acted on, just because it is reported. The Mods discuss it to determine if only THEY feel action should be taken.

[Lonestar]

Buff, it's because the moderators on any given forum cannot possibly be expected to see every single post... so it's up to the community to help out if one encounters something that even might be questionable. This is not to subject anyone to the "reporter's" standards, but to call the mods' attention to the post so that they can determine whether it's OK or not.

Thanks for bringing it up..

point in fact..

Threads: 35,173, Posts: 615,020, Members: 1,378, Active Members: 427

[Thnikkaman]

Lets put it this way. There is a place like this proposed opt-in forum on the internet. Its called 4chan. You want to know what this forum will be like, go spend an hour on 4chan and then get back to me when you are done scrubbing your brain clean.

[Midnight Blue]

I just have a problem with authority in general (shocker coming from a hippie.)

I don't like putting anyone in charge of deciding what is right and what is wrong. It's just a difference in philosophy. I'm part of the 15% crude crowd.

Moderation is necessary on any forum... and the "team" way it's done here is one of the more even-handed ways I've seen.

[Dreadnought]

Buff, it's because the moderators on any given forum cannot possibly be expected to see every single post... so it's up to the community to help out if one encounters something that even might be questionable. This is not to subject anyone to the "reporter's" standards, but to call the mods' attention to the post so that they can determine whether it's OK or not.

This kind of leads to another related topic, which is inconsistency. Sometimes its just...inconsistent Modding. Others its because no Mod ever saw the post(s) in question, or did, but figured to leave it alone unless complaints came in. then we hear "why did my post get deleted when so-and-so didn't" or "That post has been up for two hours and nobody did anything about it". Could be because no Mod ever actually saw it. Or Mods are discussing it at the moment, but have taken no position yet.

[topscribe]

Thanks for bringing it up..

point in fact..

Threads: 35,173, Posts: 615,020, Members: 1,378, Active Members: 427

We won't hold it against you because you caught only 31,500 of those posts, JR. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thdrink.gif

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[Tned]

My last sentence didn't make sense... What I was trying to say is that moderating alienates people more than not moderating IMO... But I have a feeling I'm in the minority on that one.

You're part of that fringe I talk about. You certainly aren't alone in your belief, but you are in the minority.

Personally, I am happy in a free-for-all, because I love getting into flame wars. However, I know it isn't what most people like, and isn't what this community wants.

[Lonestar]

getting back on topic.. the spillage into other forums not so lax would be enormous.. and not pretty..

[Dr Velcro]

Here's the deal in a nutshell.


And I'm going to be as clear as I can so those of you who THINK you are of a HIGHER MORAL STANDARD will get it without posting EXTREME worst case scenarios of things that have NOTHING to do with what I'm talking about.

I do NOT like how some of the female posters come into the Lounge and taunt the others, baiting them, teasing them & then they get into trouble because the things that are started NOT by their own measure.

BULL. I see it. I never speak up about it, but it's time for that to change.
I can name names & point out the threads, btw.

If you go into the Lounge and expect to be "one of the gang" and involve yourself in the banter, then you will deal with what the rest of us do.....and it's 99% play....not serious. Don't turn it into something it's not. Don't cry wolf and claim you're being trampled on. You knew what you were getting into.

If you are reporting this? You're making some of these posters look bad then and there's a HUGE backlash over it....

Also, don't go and PM the guys and TEASE THEM...then act all shocked when they bring it out into the forums. They aren't going to take you seriously when you're throwing yourself at them in private...really girls. HUGE DOUBLE STANDARD.

I think that, IMO...that those who sit high on a throne of morality and point fingers without acknowledging their falable human nature is going to fall. I think that it's people like that who truly breed hate and prejudice. And SO funny that they LOVE to CONTROL everything. I think this is why we get a lot of the bad behavior in the Lounge. It's for shock value. It's certainly why I do it most of the time....

I'm well versed and aquainted with God, btw folks. I'm humbled by him and happy to spead the teachings of his son....I'm NOT a soldier to FORCE a belief system upon others. GOD wants us to choose him freely. It's people like who control and judge so harshly that turn others off to spirituality.

I didn't "dance" around that point. I went right to it.

Tned, I withdraw my suggestion.

I'm done with the holier than thou crowd.

I'm truer to myself than they may ever be.

[Rex]

Hey Dread: Be more fuking dramatic!

Horsemen=Sopranos

Delete my account!


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[DallasChief]

Because they have the basic decency to want to take action when they see someone else getting abused. Look up Kitty Genovese sometime. She was stabbed to death in Queens while 40+ onl;ookers pretended not to notice because it was none of their business

This might be the most ridiculous post in the history of the internet.

Are you seriously comparing a thread about yeast infections to murder? What a drama queen.

Tned, please delete my account.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

So, in a nutshell, what I see Dr V proposing is this:

An opt in forum where you KNOW before you opt in what it will be like, where you KNOW before you opt in that it BETTER NOT SPILL OVER INTO OTHER FORUMS, AND IF IT DOES - SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES., whether it be a warning, automatic suspension for a certain amount of time, etc.

I don't think that is too hard to understand.

[Dr Velcro]

Oh..and to those of you who are homosexual here?

Sure , we will make a joke or two in the lounge, but we'll NEVER tell you you're going to hell or judge you.

If they knew...you'd be ignored by them....just saying.

Also, to any blacks or minorities? Same there as well. Try and knock on these guys' door if you ever break down in front of their houses.

Don't judge.

I've come to know a lot of these guys on a personal level. They are good, upstanding family men (and women) who lead good lives. They just aren't afraid to crack a joke about things. They get out of line at times, but they are true and loyal to most & hardly ever mean what they joke about.

[Thnikkaman]

Dr. V's arguments with Carol's stipulations are winning me over.

[claymore]

:pop2:

[turftoad]

Hey Dread: Be more fuking dramatic!

Horsemen=Sopranos

Delete my account!


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This might be the most ridiculous post in the history of the internet.

Are you seriously comparing a thread about yeast infections to murder? What a drama queen.

Tned, please delete my account.

Dramatic? Drama Queen?

Cmon guys, look at your own posts right here. :confused:

[Rex]

Dramatic? Drama Queen?

Cmon guys, look at your own posts here. :confused:

Yes. Dramatic.

Comparing internet message board joking to murder and gangs and mafia.

You wont have to worry anymore. Dread...you can keep your harem happy without fear that Tubby will show up with a fuking ice pick.

No offense to those that live in reality.

[turftoad]

Yes. Dramatic.

Comparing internet message board joking to murder and gangs and mafia.

You wont have to worry anymore. Dread...you can keep your harem happy without fear that Tubby will show up with a fuking ice pick.

No offense to those that live in reality.

I believe he was using it as an EXAMPLE not a comparison.

[Dr Velcro]

Tned...I think this should be locked down....seriously.

I'm sorry you are in the middle of this.
It must suck trying to make everyone happy.

I just wanted to allow an outlet for those who tend to "offend" in the Lounge as well as relief to those who are offended.

[Dreadnought]

I believe he was using it as an EXAMPLE not a comparison.

Of course, and he knows that perfectly well, too. Cswil is a bright enough guy

[Tned]

Arkansas and reality have never been confused as being the same place...

[Thnikkaman]

I am officially on the fence on this one. That being said, both parties need to grow up.

Cswil, DC, nobody is going to cry if you leave. You feel that way, go. Someone will come up and take your place. The internet is full of people like that.

Mods, if people can't take it, they can find another board to go to. I'm sure there is a My Little Pony message board out there that is going to be nothing but sunshine and rainbows.

We aren't dealing with Libel here. Nobody is asking if we can start posting snuff films. I see more hatred in the main Broncos forum and the P&R forums than I ever see in the Lounge. Everyone needs to get over themselves, mods included.

[topscribe]

Yes. Dramatic.

Comparing internet message board joking to murder and gangs and mafia.

You wont have to worry anymore. Dread...you can keep your harem happy without fear that Tubby will show up with a fuking ice pick.

No offense to those that live in reality.

When you came aboard, there were rules already in place. It was assumed
you had read the rules when you agreed to them. Tubby apparently did not
live up to what it was assumed he read. And the way you are circumventing
the filter right here raises further questions.

If you want to leave over one statement by a mod, then . . . well, that's up
to you, I guess . . .

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[Tned]

Tned...I think this should be locked down....seriously.

I'm sorry you are in the middle of this.
It must suck trying to make everyone happy.

I just wanted to allow an outlet for those who tend to "offend" in the Lounge as well as relief to those who are offended.

Yea, V, it does suck. I'll keep trying, even if it is impossible.

I think the idea was sound, some of us are just concerned about backlash, but that's why we need to discuss these things. See how many people are for or against.

[claymore]

I dont see what it could hurt. Its pretty much free. And you could designate like 10 beta posters to check it out.

I would assign a mod or 2, and let the rules develop on there own. If someone ever took it to far I think we are all close enough to get them taken care of.

[Dr Velcro]

I am officially on the fence on this one. That being said, both parties need to grow up.

Cswil, DC, nobody is going to cry if you leave. You feel that way, go. Someone will come up and take your place. The internet is full of people like that.

Mods, if people can't take it, they can find another board to go to. I'm sure there is a My Little Pony message board out there that is going to be nothing but sunshine and rainbows.

We aren't dealing with Libel here. Nobody is asking if we can start posting snuff films. I see more hatred in the main Broncos forum and the P&R forums than I ever see in the Lounge. Everyone needs to get over themselves, mods included.

Agreed.

I'm going to forward my replies to you so you can put my angry thoughts into normal posts.

I'm done in this thread.

[claymore]

I am officially on the fence on this one. That being said, both parties need to grow up.

Cswil, DC, nobody is going to cry if you leave. You feel that way, go. Someone will come up and take your place. The internet is full of people like that.

Mods, if people can't take it, they can find another board to go to. I'm sure there is a My Little Pony message board out there that is going to be nothing but sunshine and rainbows.

We aren't dealing with Libel here. Nobody is asking if we can start posting snuff films. I see more hatred in the main Broncos forum and the P&R forums than I ever see in the Lounge. Everyone needs to get over themselves, mods included.I will cry if they leave. They are half the excitement around here.

[topscribe]

I will cry if they leave. They are half the excitement around here.

I enjoy having them around. I really do.

But, as JR pointed out, there are 427 active members here . . .

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[claymore]

I enjoy having them around. I really do.

But, as JR pointed out, there are 427 active members here . . .

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And 407 of them are boring as hell.

[topscribe]

And 407 of them are boring as hell.

Well, you're here, Clay, and you're not among the 407. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thdrink.gif

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[Thnikkaman]

I will cry if they leave. They are half the excitement around here.

You are such a dirty little enabler. :D

I would check out which ever board they would migrate to, but there are plenty other freaks on this board that I enjoy talking to in addition to cswil, DC, tubby, and which ever personality Beef is using today.

But the community, not the mods, are the ones that have the power to drive them away.

[topscribe]

You are such a dirty little enabler. :D

I would check out which ever board they would migrate to, but there are plenty other freaks on this board that I enjoy talking to in addition to cswil, DC, tubby, and which ever personality Beef is using today.

But the community, not the mods, are the ones that have the power to drive them away.

You know what board they would go to. They are there now.

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[claymore]

Well, you're here, Clay, and you're not among the 407. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thdrink.gif

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Your in the cool 20 top. Ive never met a 90 year old gay man. I was shocked at how cool you are.

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Your in the cool 20 top. Ive never met a 90 year old gay man. I was shocked at how cool you are.

I guess I'll let my goat back out for you now . . .

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[claymore]

A rated R smack forum would have been cool to. KCL and Tubby could have just went in there and worked stuff out, or pissed each other off so bad that they put each other on ignore.

[Tned]

And 407 of them are boring as hell.

Yea, but we have other good traits...

[claymore]

Yea, but we have other good traits...

I love you Tned.

[Tned]

I love you Tned.

See, there you go. I might be dull and boring, but I inspire love....

[turftoad]

A rated R smack forum would have been cool to. KCL and Tubby could have just went in there and worked stuff out, or pissed each other off so bad that they put each other on ignore.

Putting eachother on ignore has gotten to be a lost trait around here. It'd probably solve a lot of problems.

[Midnight Blue]

Hey Dread: Be more fuking dramatic!

Horsemen=Sopranos

Delete my account!


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This might be the most ridiculous post in the history of the internet.

Are you seriously comparing a thread about yeast infections to murder? What a drama queen.

Tned, please delete my account.

Guys, I'm really confused here... you're both asking to have your accounts deleted, but the issue seems to be: should the Horsemen be expected to abide by the same rules everyone else abides by? And it seems to me that you're insisting that there should be a certain demographic here that is "above the rules".... :confused:

[BigDaddyBronco]

:tsk:

[Thnikkaman]

You know what board they would go to. They are there now.

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Not playing poker with you top, and I'm not a mutually exclusive type of guy.

And honestly, that board smells of desperation. There are also certain Freaks on that board that don't have a sense of humor at all.

[gnomeflinger]

Women enter into a football forum knowing the risks. We enter the opt-in forums knowing the risk. Historically, football is a man's world. The women of this forum are not wussies. We can take the heat. Unless otherwise discussed via PM, I think everything in the opt-in's should be taken with a grain of salt. If you get harrassed, (other than serious illegal stuff), it means you're respected/liked - or "lispected" (a combo of both).

[BigDaddyBronco]

On another subject, there is a damn spammer on Member's Albums of all things.

Mods - Wondertwin powers activate, shape of a large bird, shape of a big pair of scissors. Fly in and cut that crap out. :D

[gnomeflinger]

I think everyone has a sense of discretion. You know when someone is just being a smart ass, or when someone is up to no good.

[topscribe]

Not playing poker with you top, and I'm not a mutually exclusive type of guy.

And honestly, that board smells of desperation. There are also certain Freaks on that board that don't have a sense of humor at all.

Ummm . . . not exactly sure what you said in your first sentence.

But if I said anything out of the way, I apologize. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thdrink.gif

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[Tned]

I think everyone has a sense of discretion. You know when someone is just being a smart ass, or when someone is up to no good.

And the mods do a pretty damn good job of seperating the two. It's very hard. In the beginning, we didn't allow the joking attacks any more than the playful ones. After the Freak closed, we loosened up on that, because we realilzed that many of those members were used to a little tougher form of playing around.

Now, it often falls upon the mods to try and identify or interpret whether something is joking among friends, or an attack. Often it requires PM's asking, "hey, are you guys joking."

They don't get it right every time, but I think they do more times than not.

However, just think about how hard it is from a moderation perspective.

These two statements, which is a joke and which is an attack:

"Tned, you're such a dumb shit"
"Tned, you're one dumb ********"

What's the context when they were posted? Who posted it? Was their a smiley? Does the poster and I have a 'joking' relationship?

There are times we know with 100% certainty a statement wasn't a joke, and was meant as an attack, and that is a violation of the rules. Unfortunately, the level of joking that some partake in makes it much harder to mod than in the first year the forums were open.

[Dr Velcro]

And the mods do a pretty damn good job of seperating the two. It's very hard. In the beginning, we didn't allow the joking attacks any more than the playful ones. After the Freak closed, we loosened up on that, because we realilzed that many of those members were used to a little tougher form of playing around.

Now, it often falls upon the mods to try and identify or interpret whether something is joking among friends, or an attack. Often it requires PM's asking, "hey, are you guys joking."

They don't get it right every time, but I think they do more times than not.

However, just think about how hard it is from a moderation perspective.

These two statements, which is a joke and which is an attack:

"Tned, you're such a dumb shit"
"Tned, you're one dumb ********"

What's the context when they were posted? Who posted it? Was their a smiley? Does the poster and I have a 'joking' relationship?

There are times we know with 100% certainty a statement wasn't a joke, and was meant as an attack, and that is a violation of the rules. Unfortunately, the level of joking that some partake in makes it much harder to mod than in the first year the forums were open.

Right...

What I'm referring to is the joking that goes on in private, then spills out into the forums...looking like an attack. It's baiting. I'm onto it and I see who does it.

I respect the mods when I'm warned. Hell, I've even warned them prior to getting out of line. But to say one thing and do another in private....as a form of trickery? It's catty, it's wrong and it's not fair.

Eliminate that. Try the forum, lay a few ground rules. Give it a few days. You'll be shocked at what you do (and do not) see there.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

For what it is worth, my take on this new forum:

It will be opt-in - should require a new opt-in for it.
Before it is up and running, establish the rules, and also establish any/all discipline which will apply. Note that these are the rules set forth; however, there could be additions, deletions, changes, etc. at any time. All of this should be published for those who chose to opt in to read.

No one knows if this new forum will work or not work - no one knows what could happen or not happen in this new forum until it is actually up and running.

[elsid13]

There is limits of course, no child porn and no death threats. Only a sick SOB would do either.

There has to be rules, but very few IMO.

I also think OPT in peeps should have at least a 1000 posts. A Mania guy or Mane guy wont know what hit them if they walk right in.

Trust me, the maner folks wouldn't have a problem with it. Spider doesn't get banned over there.

[dogfish]

So, in a nutshell, what I see Dr V proposing is this:

An opt in forum where you KNOW before you opt in what it will be like, where you KNOW before you opt in that it BETTER NOT SPILL OVER INTO OTHER FORUMS, AND IF IT DOES - SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES., whether it be a warning, automatic suspension for a certain amount of time, etc.

I don't think that is too hard to understand.


For what it is worth, my take on this new forum:

It will be opt-in - should require a new opt-in for it.
Before it is up and running, establish the rules, and also establish any/all discipline which will apply. Note that these are the rules set forth; however, there could be additions, deletions, changes, etc. at any time. All of this should be published for those who chose to opt in to read.

No one knows if this new forum will work or not work - no one knows what could happen or not happen in this new forum until it is actually up and running.


if it happens, people should be forced to sign a waiver along with their opt-in that they won't cry about what happens in there :coffee:-- and that they won't cry if they splash shit out of there into the other forums and then get warned or banned as a result. . . . JMO. . .

[claymore]

Trust me, the maner folks wouldn't have a problem with it. Spider doesn't get banned over there.

Well he should. :D

[deacon]

Putting eachother on ignore has gotten to be a lost trait around here. It'd probably solve a lot of problems.

Interesting you mention that. I tried it once with one member but thier posts kept showing up as quotes so the ignore didn't work. I took that member off ignore. :)

[BroncoJoe]

Good grief.

[dogfish]

Good grief.


joe, could you please elaborate?

[BroncoJoe]

joe, could you please elaborate?

I'm going to have to let all these comments settle. That was my first reaction.

[claymore]

I'm going to have to let all these comments settle. That was my first reaction.

Your the only one that can control the horseman Joe. Thanks for letting them loose on us.

[BroncoJoe]

I guess I just don't get it. There are plenty of places to go to display the type of behavior this thread is asking for. Tned has given us plenty of rope, and much more room to "have fun". When does it stop? Now some want an unmoderated section?

Good grief.

[BroncoJoe]

Your the only one that can control the horseman Joe. Thanks for letting them loose on us.

The "horsemen" are out of control, Clay.

[Watchthemiddle]

I guess I just don't get it. There are plenty of places to go to display the type of behavior this thread is asking for. Tned has given us plenty of rope, and much more room to "have fun". When does it stop? Now some want an unmoderated section?

Good grief.

:beer:

100% agree

:coffee:

[Tned]

00 Days, 19 Hours, 33 Minutes, 51 Seconds to the first pick in the draft. Woooo Hoooo....

[Buff]

I guess I just don't get it. There are plenty of places to go to display the type of behavior this thread is asking for. Tned has given us plenty of rope, and much more room to "have fun". When does it stop?

Thnikka mentioned snuff films earlier... I think that might have some legs.