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Elevation inc
04-03-2009, 04:13 AM
Disclaimer: these are not based of my views its simply a funny article, take it for what its worth....


this is from walterfootball.com, his thoughts and how it effects the draft.

The Jay Cutler Trade - My Thoughts

I forget what I was doing at 5:34 p.m. yesterday. I know I had just finished lunch, so I was probably zoning out. I figure I was either reading random threads on the forum, changing my desktop background or downloading porn, but I'm not really sure.

I can, however, tell you what I was doing at 5:35 p.m. I was answering a call from Fred Cimino, a former writer of this Web site and a die-hard Bears fan. Fred is also one of the busiest people I know - he works 60 to 80 hours a week as a bank manager - so getting a call from him during business hours means one of two things: Either the world is coming to an end or the Bears just made a huge deal.

Once I saw Fred's name on my cell phone, I knew Chicago just traded for Jay Cutler. I just knew it. Call it a gift. That kid from the Sixth Sense can see dead people. Emmitt Smith can hold a job as a TV analyst for two years without being able to speak English. And I could tell that the Bears acquired Cutler based solely on the timing of Fred's call.

Sure enough, the first words out of Fred's mouth were, "The Bears got Cutler." And to that, I said, "Congratulations on winning the NFC North."

Along with the Orlando Pace signing, this Culter trade puts Chicago over the top. The Bears just acquired one of the top three young quarterbacks in the NFL. Kyle Orton wasn't terrible or anything, but Cutler can take the Bears' offense to a level that their oldest fans have never seen. And best of all, Cutler is only 25.

With that in mind, this story is more about Denver's ineptitude than Chicago's triumph. I don't care if the Broncos walk away with seven Hall-of-Famers from this draft class; I will still give them an F in my 2009 NFL Draft Grades. Trading away someone of Cutler's caliber is unforgivable. If Mark Sanchez doesn't pan out - I'm assuming Denver and Jacksonville will swap picks (more on this below) - this move will set this franchise back for years.

The sad thing is that this all could have been avoided. Owner Pat Bowlen should have immediately called Josh McDaniels into his office and smacked him upside the head once the new head coach entertained the idea of trading for Matt Cassel. And once this news broke out to the media, Bowlen should have fired McDaniels on the spot. Doing so would have mended his relationship with Cutler, and he would have never been forced into this predicament.

Instead, the Broncos dealt one of their few strengths, leaving them with a mediocre offense to pair with their putrid defense and brain-dead coach. Yes, they now have a torrent of draft picks - they obtained Chicago's 2009 and 2010 first-rounders and a 2009 third-round choice - but who's to say that any of those selections will pan out? After all, McDaniels preferred Cassel, a system quarterback with limited arm strength over Cutler, an exceptionally talented signal-caller with a rocket arm.

If I were a Denver fan, I'd be scared to death. McDaniels clearly can't read talent. He's only 32 years old. He has no head-coaching experience. The defense is the NFL's worst. Orton is injury-prone and inconsistent. Brandon Marshall is hurt. And Mike Shanahan is miles away, laughing hysterically at this entire situation.

Instead of worrying about claiming the AFC West, I'd be concerned with winning a single game. And I certainly wouldn't be calling my friends, boasting about how my NFL team just made a trade for the ages. Instead, I'd lock the door to my office or room, turn off my cell phone and go back to downloading porn with tears in my eyes.






The Jay Cutler Trade - 2009 NFL Draft Impact

Excluding Chicago, perhaps the biggest winners of the Jay Cutler trade were the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Jaguars barely spent any money this offseason, and who could blame them in this economy after epically failing with Drayton Florence and Jerry Porter last spring?

Jacksonville will be looking to trade out of the No. 8 spot. Owner Wayne Weaver doesn't want to pay top dollar to an unproven player, especially after going through the Derrick Harvey fiasco after the 2008 NFL Draft.

With Denver suddenly in need of a quarterback - Kyle Orton is entering his contract year - there is suddenly a market for the No. 8 overall selection; the Broncos will have to move ahead of the 49ers to land Mark Sanchez.

The difference between Picks 8 and 12 is 200 TVC points. The value of the selection No. 79, one of Denver's two third-round choices, is 195 points.

So, for a mere third-round pick, the Broncos can obtain their new franchise quarterback. Meanwhile, the Jaguars can still land Vontae Davis at No. 12, and they would be able to pay him less money. Plus, they'll get a third-rounder out of the swap. Not a bad deal for both teams.






if we trade up with jacksonville cool, evertte brown becomes a great option and i would be pissed about the third rd pick to move up to eight. if we take sanchez at eight i will be very very very very very very very very very pissed.......:laugh:

omac
04-03-2009, 04:29 AM
Very entertaining article, Elevation inc :salute:

I agree with some of his points, but not all. And no way will McDaniels move up to get Sanchez. McDaniels will look for another Brady or Cassel in the much later rounds of the draft.

Benetto
04-03-2009, 04:29 AM
I can't wait to read Jr and Shazams responses to this article.

Elevation inc
04-03-2009, 04:31 AM
Very entertaining article, Elevation inc :salute:

I agree with some of his points, but not all. And no way will McDaniels move up to get Sanchez. McDaniels will look for another Brady or Cassel in the much later rounds of the draft.

i sure hope so, i would do horrible crazy things if we trade up to eight and select mark sanchez, now if we trade up to eight and selct everette brown....well i might just do strange things instead of horrible things;)

Simple Jaded
04-03-2009, 05:06 AM
Wait, wait, wait.......does this guy not know that record Orton brings to Denver?

Denver is going to win 21 of the next 33 games, including 15 or the next 17 at home.......Championship.......

Elevation inc
04-03-2009, 05:12 AM
Wait, wait, wait.......does this guy not know that record Orton brings to Denver?

Denver is going to win 21 of the next 33 games, including 15 or the next 17 at home.......Championship.......


lol, yeah some just dont realize all that goes into a record.....just like many didnt realize with cutler and his 17-20 record here.....

Den21vsBal19
04-03-2009, 07:02 AM
I don't care if the Broncos walk away with seven Hall-of-Famers from this draft class; I will still give them an F in my 2009 NFL Draft Grades.

That says it all.........................apart from the fact Denver's never going to 7 HOFers due to media bias;)...........................if Denver's draft class was that good, the fans would be saying 'Jay who?', because the Broncos would be winning football games

Elevation inc
04-03-2009, 07:08 AM
That says it all.........................apart from the fact Denver's never going to 7 HOFers due to media bias;)...........................if Denver's draft class was that good, the fans would be saying 'Jay who?', because the Broncos would be winning football games


well at least he left his anger towards just a bad 2009 draft grade.....we can still improve 2010...lol

Northman
04-03-2009, 09:07 AM
That says it all.........................apart from the fact Denver's never going to 7 HOFers due to media bias;)...........................if Denver's draft class was that good, the fans would be saying 'Jay who?', because the Broncos would be winning football games


Yea, but nobody cares about that even the guy who wrote the article. Denver could win 7 straight Super Bowls but trading Cutler would still be unforgiveable according this cat. :lol:

weazel
04-03-2009, 09:12 AM
Disclaimer: these are not based of my views its simply a funny article, take it for what its worth....


this is from walterfootball.com, his thoughts and how it effects the draft.

The Jay Cutler Trade - My Thoughts

I forget what I was doing at 5:34 p.m. yesterday. I know I had just finished lunch, so I was probably zoning out. I figure I was either reading random threads on the forum, changing my desktop background or downloading porn, but I'm not really sure.

I can, however, tell you what I was doing at 5:35 p.m. I was answering a call from Fred Cimino, a former writer of this Web site and a die-hard Bears fan. Fred is also one of the busiest people I know - he works 60 to 80 hours a week as a bank manager - so getting a call from him during business hours means one of two things: Either the world is coming to an end or the Bears just made a huge deal.

Once I saw Fred's name on my cell phone, I knew Chicago just traded for Jay Cutler. I just knew it. Call it a gift. That kid from the Sixth Sense can see dead people. Emmitt Smith can hold a job as a TV analyst for two years without being able to speak English. And I could tell that the Bears acquired Cutler based solely on the timing of Fred's call.

Sure enough, the first words out of Fred's mouth were, "The Bears got Cutler." And to that, I said, "Congratulations on winning the NFC North."

Along with the Orlando Pace signing, this Culter trade puts Chicago over the top. The Bears just acquired one of the top three young quarterbacks in the NFL. Kyle Orton wasn't terrible or anything, but Cutler can take the Bears' offense to a level that their oldest fans have never seen. And best of all, Cutler is only 25.

With that in mind, this story is more about Denver's ineptitude than Chicago's triumph. I don't care if the Broncos walk away with seven Hall-of-Famers from this draft class; I will still give them an F in my 2009 NFL Draft Grades. Trading away someone of Cutler's caliber is unforgivable. If Mark Sanchez doesn't pan out - I'm assuming Denver and Jacksonville will swap picks (more on this below) - this move will set this franchise back for years.

The sad thing is that this all could have been avoided. Owner Pat Bowlen should have immediately called Josh McDaniels into his office and smacked him upside the head once the new head coach entertained the idea of trading for Matt Cassel. And once this news broke out to the media, Bowlen should have fired McDaniels on the spot. Doing so would have mended his relationship with Cutler, and he would have never been forced into this predicament.

Instead, the Broncos dealt one of their few strengths, leaving them with a mediocre offense to pair with their putrid defense and brain-dead coach. Yes, they now have a torrent of draft picks - they obtained Chicago's 2009 and 2010 first-rounders and a 2009 third-round choice - but who's to say that any of those selections will pan out? After all, McDaniels preferred Cassel, a system quarterback with limited arm strength over Cutler, an exceptionally talented signal-caller with a rocket arm.

If I were a Denver fan, I'd be scared to death. McDaniels clearly can't read talent. He's only 32 years old. He has no head-coaching experience. The defense is the NFL's worst. Orton is injury-prone and inconsistent. Brandon Marshall is hurt. And Mike Shanahan is miles away, laughing hysterically at this entire situation.

Instead of worrying about claiming the AFC West, I'd be concerned with winning a single game. And I certainly wouldn't be calling my friends, boasting about how my NFL team just made a trade for the ages. Instead, I'd lock the door to my office or room, turn off my cell phone and go back to downloading porn with tears in my eyes.






The Jay Cutler Trade - 2009 NFL Draft Impact

Excluding Chicago, perhaps the biggest winners of the Jay Cutler trade were the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Jaguars barely spent any money this offseason, and who could blame them in this economy after epically failing with Drayton Florence and Jerry Porter last spring?

Jacksonville will be looking to trade out of the No. 8 spot. Owner Wayne Weaver doesn't want to pay top dollar to an unproven player, especially after going through the Derrick Harvey fiasco after the 2008 NFL Draft.

With Denver suddenly in need of a quarterback - Kyle Orton is entering his contract year - there is suddenly a market for the No. 8 overall selection; the Broncos will have to move ahead of the 49ers to land Mark Sanchez.

The difference between Picks 8 and 12 is 200 TVC points. The value of the selection No. 79, one of Denver's two third-round choices, is 195 points.

So, for a mere third-round pick, the Broncos can obtain their new franchise quarterback. Meanwhile, the Jaguars can still land Vontae Davis at No. 12, and they would be able to pay him less money. Plus, they'll get a third-rounder out of the swap. Not a bad deal for both teams.






if we trade up with jacksonville cool, evertte brown becomes a great option and i would be pissed about the third rd pick to move up to eight. if we take sanchez at eight i will be very very very very very very very very very pissed.......:laugh:

this is why some people run organizations, and other people write little articles about running organizations. After they finish downloading porn, that is...

Northman
04-03-2009, 09:13 AM
this is why some people run organizations, and others people write little articles about running organizations. After they finish downloading porn, that is...

:lol:

Awesome.

Tempus Fugit
04-03-2009, 09:17 AM
this is why some people run organizations, and other people write little articles about running organizations. After they finish downloading porn, that is...

Wait! You can download porn off the internet?

Elevation inc
04-03-2009, 09:23 AM
this is why some people run organizations, and other people write little articles about running organizations. After they finish downloading porn, that is...

hilarious, i find this whole thread and article amusing keep it up, so i dont have to think about the chris simms vs kyle orton TC battle.....:D

Simple Jaded
04-03-2009, 09:33 AM
Where is it written that you have to actually run an organization to know what you're talking about? Keep that in mind next time you need an experts opinion to support your post, that should be interesting.......

omac
04-03-2009, 10:03 AM
It's a biased, but very entertaining article.

Watching the NFL videos, some analysts also think that the Broncos will try to get Sanchez, and even try to move up to get him. I hope they don't; there's a study done by Football Outsiders on how college QBs who haven't started a whole lot of games usually don't do well in the NFL, and that sounds like Sanchez' situation.

Plus I don't think we'd want to waste picks moving up to get a QB, when we could use those picks much needed picks on defense.

Superchop 7
04-03-2009, 11:04 AM
Get Freeman

Elevation inc
04-04-2009, 03:54 PM
Get Freeman

yikes i hope your not serious.....i cant belive how bad this QB class is, i would rather have pat white....

slim
04-04-2009, 04:01 PM
yikes i hope your not serious.....i cant belive how bad this QB class is, i would rather have pat white....

Yikes, I hope you're not serious...I can't believe how bad this QB class is. I would rather have Kyle Orton.

slim
04-04-2009, 04:01 PM
BTW, who eats lunch at 5:30 pm?

atwater27
04-04-2009, 04:03 PM
Disclaimer: these are not based of my views its simply a funny article, take it for what its worth....


this is from walterfootball.com, his thoughts and how it effects the draft.

The Jay Cutler Trade - My Thoughts

I forget what I was doing at 5:34 p.m. yesterday. I know I had just finished lunch, so I was probably zoning out. I figure I was either reading random threads on the forum, changing my desktop background or downloading porn, but I'm not really sure.

I can, however, tell you what I was doing at 5:35 p.m. I was answering a call from Fred Cimino, a former writer of this Web site and a die-hard Bears fan. Fred is also one of the busiest people I know - he works 60 to 80 hours a week as a bank manager - so getting a call from him during business hours means one of two things: Either the world is coming to an end or the Bears just made a huge deal.

Once I saw Fred's name on my cell phone, I knew Chicago just traded for Jay Cutler. I just knew it. Call it a gift. That kid from the Sixth Sense can see dead people. Emmitt Smith can hold a job as a TV analyst for two years without being able to speak English. And I could tell that the Bears acquired Cutler based solely on the timing of Fred's call.

Sure enough, the first words out of Fred's mouth were, "The Bears got Cutler." And to that, I said, "Congratulations on winning the NFC North."

Along with the Orlando Pace signing, this Culter trade puts Chicago over the top. The Bears just acquired one of the top three young quarterbacks in the NFL. Kyle Orton wasn't terrible or anything, but Cutler can take the Bears' offense to a level that their oldest fans have never seen. And best of all, Cutler is only 25.

With that in mind, this story is more about Denver's ineptitude than Chicago's triumph. I don't care if the Broncos walk away with seven Hall-of-Famers from this draft class; I will still give them an F in my 2009 NFL Draft Grades. Trading away someone of Cutler's caliber is unforgivable. If Mark Sanchez doesn't pan out - I'm assuming Denver and Jacksonville will swap picks (more on this below) - this move will set this franchise back for years.

The sad thing is that this all could have been avoided. Owner Pat Bowlen should have immediately called Josh McDaniels into his office and smacked him upside the head once the new head coach entertained the idea of trading for Matt Cassel. And once this news broke out to the media, Bowlen should have fired McDaniels on the spot. Doing so would have mended his relationship with Cutler, and he would have never been forced into this predicament.

Instead, the Broncos dealt one of their few strengths, leaving them with a mediocre offense to pair with their putrid defense and brain-dead coach. Yes, they now have a torrent of draft picks - they obtained Chicago's 2009 and 2010 first-rounders and a 2009 third-round choice - but who's to say that any of those selections will pan out? After all, McDaniels preferred Cassel, a system quarterback with limited arm strength over Cutler, an exceptionally talented signal-caller with a rocket arm.

If I were a Denver fan, I'd be scared to death. McDaniels clearly can't read talent. He's only 32 years old. He has no head-coaching experience. The defense is the NFL's worst. Orton is injury-prone and inconsistent. Brandon Marshall is hurt. And Mike Shanahan is miles away, laughing hysterically at this entire situation.

Instead of worrying about claiming the AFC West, I'd be concerned with winning a single game. And I certainly wouldn't be calling my friends, boasting about how my NFL team just made a trade for the ages. Instead, I'd lock the door to my office or room, turn off my cell phone and go back to downloading porn with tears in my eyes.






The Jay Cutler Trade - 2009 NFL Draft Impact

Excluding Chicago, perhaps the biggest winners of the Jay Cutler trade were the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Jaguars barely spent any money this offseason, and who could blame them in this economy after epically failing with Drayton Florence and Jerry Porter last spring?

Jacksonville will be looking to trade out of the No. 8 spot. Owner Wayne Weaver doesn't want to pay top dollar to an unproven player, especially after going through the Derrick Harvey fiasco after the 2008 NFL Draft.

With Denver suddenly in need of a quarterback - Kyle Orton is entering his contract year - there is suddenly a market for the No. 8 overall selection; the Broncos will have to move ahead of the 49ers to land Mark Sanchez.

The difference between Picks 8 and 12 is 200 TVC points. The value of the selection No. 79, one of Denver's two third-round choices, is 195 points.

So, for a mere third-round pick, the Broncos can obtain their new franchise quarterback. Meanwhile, the Jaguars can still land Vontae Davis at No. 12, and they would be able to pay him less money. Plus, they'll get a third-rounder out of the swap. Not a bad deal for both teams.






if we trade up with jacksonville cool, evertte brown becomes a great option and i would be pissed about the third rd pick to move up to eight. if we take sanchez at eight i will be very very very very very very very very very pissed.......:laugh:
You shouldn't post articlea like that here, dude. Didn't you miss the memo? From Bowlen on down to fan blogs, the mission is now damage control. Let me review the talking points for the misinformed...

1. Jay wasn't that good anyway, and will be a miserable failure with Chicago.

2. All of his teammmates have hated him since he was drafted.

3. He is a drunk, and the next Kerry Collins.

4. He told McDaniels when they first met that his wife was a whore and that he would never work as the HC. Everything went downhil from there.

5. Anybody wishing Cutler luck with his new team and seriously doubting the decision making and coaching skills of the new coach are the antichrist, and must be humiliated and run out of town.

Anybody caught posting anything else than Broncos sponsored positive fluff pieces will be harassed, their fanhood questioned, and dismissed as trolls, no matter how long they have really ben a fan.

That is all.

Elevation inc
04-04-2009, 04:07 PM
You shouldn't post articlea like that here, dude. Didn't you miss the memo? From Bowlen on down to fan blogs, the mission is now damage control. Let me review the talking points for the misinformed...

1. Jay wasn't that good anyway, and will be a miserable failure with Chicago.

2. All of his teammmates have hated him since he was drafted.

3. He is a drunk, and the next Kerry Collins.

4. He told McDaniels when they first met that his wife was a whore and that he would never work as the HC. Everything went downhil from there.

5. Anybody wishing Cutler luck with his new team and seriously doubting the decision making and coaching skills of the new coach are the antichrist, and must be humiliated and run out of town.

Anybody caught posting anything else than Broncos sponsored positive fluff pieces will be harassed, their fanhood questioned, and dismissed as trolls, no matter how long they have really ben a fan.

That is all.



lol i posted in yesterday but responded to a post so it bumped it up.....i still belive the article to be entertaining.....

i could care less about the saga, but crap like this at least brings a smile to my face in these frightful times...lol

honz
04-04-2009, 04:33 PM
Very entertaining article, Elevation inc :salute:

I agree with some of his points, but not all. And no way will McDaniels move up to get Sanchez. McDaniels will look for another Brady or Cassel in the much later rounds of the draft.
I don't get why people automatically assume that McDaniels doesn't want a 1st round talent at QB. The Patriots had Drew Bledsoe (#1 pick) and just happened to luck into Brady turning out how he did. Cassel had been in that system for several years and stepped into a great situation by being able to throw to Wes Welker and Randy Moss in a very QB friendly system...if you watched Patriots games last year, Cassel missed a ton of open guys downfield because he struggles when he has to throw it over 20 yards or so.

I guess that doesn't really make sense as it sounds like McD wanted Cassel again, but I'm just trying to say that I don't think he necessarily wants to bank our future on some 5th round QB. Besides, McDaniels probably had nothing to do with drafting either of those guys and I'm sure he'd prefer to have the most talented QB he can find.

FanInAZ
04-04-2009, 10:08 PM
I don't care if the Broncos walk away with seven Hall-of-Famers from this draft class; I will still give them an F in my 2009 NFL Draft Grades.

If we get 7 HOFs out of this then we will get at least 5 SBs as well. I would deffinently give Denver a better grade then a F if that should happen.

56crash
04-04-2009, 10:40 PM
You shouldn't post articlea like that here, dude. Didn't you miss the memo? From Bowlen on down to fan blogs, the mission is now damage control. Let me review the talking points for the misinformed...

1. Jay wasn't that good anyway, and will be a miserable failure with Chicago.

2. All of his teammmates have hated him since he was drafted.

3. He is a drunk, and the next Kerry Collins.

4. He told McDaniels when they first met that his wife was a whore and that he would never work as the HC. Everything went downhil from there.

5. Anybody wishing Cutler luck with his new team and seriously doubting the decision making and coaching skills of the new coach are the antichrist, and must be humiliated and run out of town.

Anybody caught posting anything else than Broncos sponsored positive fluff pieces will be harassed, their fanhood questioned, and dismissed as trolls, no matter how long they have really ben a fan.

That is all.

LOL I would high 5 you a 100 times if I could lol.

omac
04-04-2009, 10:42 PM
I don't get why people automatically assume that McDaniels doesn't want a 1st round talent at QB. The Patriots had Drew Bledsoe (#1 pick) and just happened to luck into Brady turning out how he did. Cassel had been in that system for several years and stepped into a great situation by being able to throw to Wes Welker and Randy Moss in a very QB friendly system...if you watched Patriots games last year, Cassel missed a ton of open guys downfield because he struggles when he has to throw it over 20 yards or so.

I guess that doesn't really make sense as it sounds like McD wanted Cassel again, but I'm just trying to say that I don't think he necessarily wants to bank our future on some 5th round QB. Besides, McDaniels probably had nothing to do with drafting either of those guys and I'm sure he'd prefer to have the most talented QB he can find.

Bledsoe was drafted by the Pats when Parcels was the head coach, not Bellichick. He was a holdover from the former regime, not someone Belichick or Cassel groomed as their QB, much like Cutler would've been.

On why I don't believe McDaniels would go high in the draft to pick a QB ... it has to do with familiarity. Right now, I see McDaniels as one who's strongest asset is an unbreakable belief in the system he knows, the system he learned from Belichick. It's no surprise that everything he does has reflected his moves towards this. He tries to bring in players who not only fit a certain skill set, but a certain player type. He goes towards familiarity, because it's what he knows has brought on success. Thus acquiring former Patriots and players he believes fits the Patriots mold, and releasing players who he believes would clash with that mold.

Our WCO last season was pretty good, but he believes his spread offense is better, so that's what he'll implement. Cutler played pretty good last season, but he wanted in Cassel a QB who he believed fit the system and his coaching style better. He's released some typical Shanahan type RBs, and brought in more 3rd down, "Kevin Faulk" type RBs. Though he's retained Dennison(zone), he's mentioned that he'll play more gap, as in his words, he can't let go of that.

Brady was a late round pick, who was a backup before becoming a future HOF'er. Cassel, another later round pick, who was a backup since college, who'm he's groomed to play his spread offense. Orton was a 4th round pick, who though a starter last season, and another season early in his career, was mainly the backup.

In everything McDaniels does, there's a pattern of familiarity based on the system and situations he's experienced through NE. It's from following that familiarity that I've mentioned before the trade that Orton would fit McDaniels system, and I didn't mean it only in skills set.

Right now, McDaniels hasn't yet developed enough his own individual instincts; he's powered by the belief in the system he knows, and he does all he can to emulate his mentor, Belichick, to the point of having his own Bronco hoodie. We've witnessed first hand some of the weaknesses with that lack of flexibility ... with trying too hard to force the system, but I'm pretty sure that this coming season, we'll also see some of it's strengths.

That's the reason I believe he won't try to move up the board and burn picks in order to draft a QB high. NE, in their success, didn't need to draft a QB high, just as Shanahan didn't believe he had to draft a RB high. It would fit his MO to draft a QB low, and develop him into a Cassel or a Brady. And really, any team who can do that should. :cheers:

56crash
04-04-2009, 10:42 PM
oh by the way that is called back biting children and horses use this tactic .