Peppers and Delhomme for Cutler?

[CatMan72]

Panthers fan here with a hypothetical question - would y'all take Peppers and Delhomme in a trade for Cutler?

[BroncoWave]

Throw in a 2010 first rounder and I'm on board.

[sneakers]

nope. I would not like that....but welcome to BroncosForums!

[UnderArmour]

Jake Plummer>Jake Delhomme. Seriously.

[slim]

Hell no.

[FanInAZ]

Throw in a 2010 first rounder and I'm on board.

Let them keep Peppers and Delhomme and just give us the first rounder

[Krugan]

Panthers fan here with a hypothetical question - would y'all take Peppers and Delhomme in a trade for Cutler?

Interesting to see another teams fan give that much value for Cutler.

Interesting.

[CatMan72]

Throw in a 2010 first rounder and I'm on board.

Ouch...

With Peppers you get 14.5 sacks and with Delhomme you get a stop-gap at the position who could potentially help take the Broncos to the playoffs.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Julius Peppers, your second rounder this year and third rounder this year along with a 2010 first and you got yourself a deal. Otherwise, NO WAY JOSE.

[CatMan72]

Jake Plummer>Jake Delhomme. Seriously.

LOL, how many times did "Jake the fake... er snake" throw for 300 yards against the Patriots in the SB?

Before this recent playoff debacle, Delhomme had one of the highest playoff QB ratings in NFL history.

[BroncoWave]

Ouch...

With Peppers you get 14.5 sacks and with Delhomme you get a stop-gap at the position who could potentially help take the Broncos to the playoffs.

The reason I'd want the first in 2010 is so that Delhomme could be the stopgap guy this year and we package our first and your first next year and move up to get Bradford, unless our first is good enough to get him anyway. With that deal, you guys get a stud in Cutler and we get a stud in Peppers and potentially Bradford.

[CatMan72]

Interesting to see another teams fan give that much value for Cutler.

Interesting.

Despite everything else, he's a young franchise QB that could bring a quality organization like the Panthers success for many years to come.

[UnderArmour]

LOL, how many times did "Jake the fake... er snake" throw for 300 yards against the Patriots in the SB?

Before this recent playoff debacle, Delhomme had one of the highest playoff QB ratings in NFL history.

If Plummer got to play in your shitty division for the past 4 years, he would've won home field advantage every year. Delhomme just isn't anything special.

[EMB6903]

Delhomme is horrible, no thanks

give me this years and next years first along with Peppers and Im on board.

[CatMan72]

Julius Peppers, your second rounder this year and third rounder this year along with a 2010 first and you got yourself a deal. Otherwise, NO WAY JOSE.

You're high on crack... LOL

I wouldn't make that trade for Joe friggin Montana...

Peppers and Dumervil could be a pretty nasty combo.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Well, Catman -- I have some news for you. In a trade for Jay Cutler, you won't come out 'raping' anybody. That will be our doing.

[CatMan72]

If Plummer got to play in your shitty division for the past 4 years, he would've won home field advantage every year. Delhomme just isn't anything special.

A fan of an AFC west team calling the NFC south a shitty division, now that's funny.

Oakland = shit
KC = shit
Chargers = shit
Broncos w/o Cutler = shit

What does Plummer playing in the NFC south have to do with throwing for 300+ yards in the SB against the Pats?

[EMB6903]

^^^ you guys are going to lose Peppers anyways

[dogfish]

cutler for delhomme, straight up. . . .

[CatMan72]

Well, Catman -- I have some news for you. In a trade for Jay Cutler, you won't come out 'raping' anybody. That will be our doing.

Who is talking about rape????

Panthers + Cutler = championship. Can you even imagine what Cutler could do with a running game and a defense... uh well no, I guess you can't. LOL

[CatMan72]

^^^ you guys are going to lose Peppers anyways

Uh, no we're not unless we want to - it's a little thing called the "franchise tag".

[BroncoWave]

Who is talking about rape????

Panthers + Cutler = championship. Can you even imagine what Cutler could do with a running game and a defense... uh well no, I guess you can't. LOL

The Panthers are going to have to part with some high draft picks if they want Cutler. That's just all there is to it. If the Panthers are a QB (Cutler) away from a championship as you say they are, then you guys shouldn't need those precious draft picks.

[DenBronx]

A fan of an AFC west team calling the NFC south a shitty division, now that's funny.

Oakland = shit
KC = shit
Chargers = shit
Broncos w/o Cutler = shit

What does Plummer playing in the NFC south have to do with throwing for 300+ yards in the SB against the Pats?

i agree with this guy...

broncos w/o cutler = shit

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Panthers won't get Cutler. IN YOUR MADDIN DREAMs.

[Foochacho]

I say no because I want him to suffer. Let him rot in detroit.

[CatMan72]

The Panthers are going to have to part with some high draft picks if they want Cutler. That's just all there is to it. If the Panthers are a QB (Cutler) away from a championship as you say they are, then you guys shouldn't need those precious draft picks.

I'd give you Peppers along with our 3rd this year and 1st next year for Cutler.

[CatMan72]

Panthers won't get Cutler. IN YOUR MADDIN DREAMs.

Look up the word "hypothetical".

[GEM]

Despite everything else, he's a young franchise QB that could bring a quality organization like the Panthers success for many years to come.

Just tell your coach not to entertain trade talks that involve him or he'll turn your quality organization upside down.

[CatMan72]

i agree with this guy...

broncos w/o cutler = shit

LOL, I feel for you guys - we're going through the same thing with Peppers but we slapped the tag on him.

You never know what might await you post-Cutler. You could get Bradford next year and all be wearing "JAY WHO?" t-shirts in the playoffs.

[EMB6903]

Uh, no we're not unless we want to - it's a little thing called the "franchise tag".

Really?

tell me more!

[CatMan72]

Just tell your coach not to entertain trade talks that involve him or he'll turn your quality organization upside down.

LOL, not a problem - the Panthers don't trade anyone (even when they should).

[Devilspawn]

Despite everything else, he's a young franchise QB that could bring a quality organization like the Panthers success for many years to come.
Don't fall in love with that talent Cutler has. He rarely puts it to good use.

The boy is good between the 20s. If he were better within the 20, this would never have happened and MAYBE their playoff run ends in Pittsburgh.

His attitude in this whole fiasco, despite McDaniels' role, shows a guy who leads with tears, not by example. He yelled at Eddie Royal. Can you imagine him yelling at Steve Smith.

Sure he'll have a tremendous run game, but he's error prone at bad times. He had Bin Laden protection but failed to terrorize defenses.

Delhomme can be downright brutal, but he's won before and that pedigree can carry him to push himself to further heights.

I would welcome the trade because Peppers won't make the Broncos defense any better and Delhomme facing the Raiders twice a year is like a bubble bath with 44 virgins... assuming we can put up some damn points!

But I would fear that Delhomme would give them 9 wins, which in this division may give them a 5 game cushion going into Week 17.

If you want Cutler, kiss the South goodbye. You can engage in debates with Falcons fans about Cutler > Ryan while they, like Chargers fans, will point to the scoreboard. And like Chargers fans, they'll be right.

[CatMan72]

Really?

tell me more!

:rolleyes:

[EMB6903]

Cutler is an amazing QB who puts his talents to use on a consistent basis, dont listen to the haters

Cutler is one of the best young Quarterbacks in this league and will dominate where ever he goes

[CatMan72]

Don't fall in love with that talent Cutler has. He rarely puts it to good use.

The boy is good between the 20s. If he were better within the 20, this would never have happened and MAYBE their playoff run ends in Pittsburgh.

His attitude in this whole fiasco, despite McDaniels' role, shows a guy who leads with tears, not by example. He yelled at Eddie Royal. Can you imagine him yelling at Steve Smith.

Sure he'll have a tremendous run game, but he's error prone at bad times. He had Bin Laden protection but failed to terrorize defenses.

Delhomme can be downright brutal, but he's won before and that pedigree can carry him to push himself to further heights.

I would welcome the trade because Peppers won't make the Broncos defense any better and Delhomme facing the Raiders twice a year is like a bubble bath with 44 virgins... assuming we can put up some damn points!

But I would fear that Delhomme would give them 9 wins, which in this division may give them a 5 game cushion going into Week 17.

If you want Cutler, kiss the South goodbye. You can engage in debates with Falcons fans about Cutler > Ryan while they, like Chargers fans, will point to the scoreboard. And like Chargers fans, they'll be right.

You make some good points, and if he mouthed off to Smitty he'd be in intensive care... LOL

I think the jury is still out on Cutler, this is not a knock on Denver but he's never had a consistent run game like the Panthers do which would make his job (especially in the red zone) a heck of allot easier.

[EMB6903]

Don't fall in love with that talent Cutler has. He rarely puts it to good use.

The boy is good between the 20s. If he were better within the 20, this would never have happened and MAYBE their playoff run ends in Pittsburgh.

His attitude in this whole fiasco, despite McDaniels' role, shows a guy who leads with tears, not by example. He yelled at Eddie Royal. Can you imagine him yelling at Steve Smith.

Sure he'll have a tremendous run game, but he's error prone at bad times. He had Bin Laden protection but failed to terrorize defenses.

Delhomme can be downright brutal, but he's won before and that pedigree can carry him to push himself to further heights.

I would welcome the trade because Peppers won't make the Broncos defense any better and Delhomme facing the Raiders twice a year is like a bubble bath with 44 virgins... assuming we can put up some damn points!

But I would fear that Delhomme would give them 9 wins, which in this division may give them a 5 game cushion going into Week 17.

If you want Cutler, kiss the South goodbye. You can engage in debates with Falcons fans about Cutler > Ryan while they, like Chargers fans, will point to the scoreboard. And like Chargers fans, they'll be right.

lol @ this post

Unlike the Broncos... Panthers have a solid defense you act like Cutler is the biggest reason we lost 8 games last year :tsk:

[CatMan72]

Cutler is an amazing QB who puts his talents to use on a consistent basis, dont listen to the haters

Cutler is one of the best young Quarterbacks in this league and will dominate where ever he goes

Yup, things just didn't work out in Denver and that sucks for you guys... but Cutler is going to have an amazing career when it's all said and done.

[NickelTG]

I'd give you Peppers along with our 3rd this year and 1st next year for Cutler.

Wouldn't be bad if we could find a dedicated fan from the crowd to throw the ball to the receivers.

[CatMan72]

lol @ this post

Unlike the Broncos... Panthers have a solid defense you act like Cutler is the biggest reason we lost 8 games last year :tsk:

Agreed, from the outside looking in it's clear that Cutler was not "the problem". The problem is no running game and a defense that can't get off the field.

[Denver27og]

i agree with this guy...

broncos w/o cutler = shit


and i totally agree as well... broncos with mcdick = shit

[CatMan72]

Wouldn't be bad if we could find a dedicated fan from the crowd to throw the ball to the receivers.

You know, to be honest Chris Simms isn't that bad. He's not gonna put a team on his back and win games with his arm, but he's a decent game manager and with a weapon like Eddie Royal you never know...

[getlynched47]

Panthers fan here with a hypothetical question - would y'all take Peppers and Delhomme in a trade for Cutler?

Two players past the prime of their career for a 25 year old Pro Bowl Quarterback? :lol:

Give us your entire draft for 09 and 2010 and it's a deal :coffee:

[hotcarl]

yes

close thread

tia
~carl
:welcome:

[CatMan72]

and i totally agree as well... broncos with mcdick = shit

I think you guys picked some pretty low-hanging fruit from the Bellicheat coaching tree... I was shocked that Denver didn't go with a defense-oriented head coach... the offense was not the problem last year.

[G_Money]

Cutler would be a monster for the Panthers, especially since they already have leaders and he doesn't have to be the sole one.

Peppers makes me nervous because it's a large contract to take on for an aging guy who wants to switch to a new position.

Delhomme would feel right at home here because we have his old OC and an offense he should slide right into. Jake does stupid things in bunches, but in most games he's fine. He just has those 5 INT games that make you want to cry. He'd adore our OL.

McDaniels needs to get a QB who can carry instant production, because he can't wait the 3-4 years for a rookie to grasp it. Some rooks do well their first year, but most of them do it because all the other pieces on O and D are in place, and we don't have that luxury.

It's a reasonable trade. Add a draftpick based on Cutler's performance (since he's gonna tear it up, it'll be a high one) and I think McDaniels would have to look hard at it. It takes a big chunk of change to get Peppers done, though, and I don't think we have it, not with the added salary of Delhomme to absorb.

So in theory it solves some of McD's issues (quality pass-rusher, vet QB who knows the system and can win games, dumping of Cutler) but does it actually work in the real world?

*shrugs* If it works, it's not a long-term fix at QB, but it buys McDaniels wins and time, which is what he really wants.

~G

[CatMan72]

Two players past the prime of their career for a 25 year old Pro Bowl Quarterback? :lol:

Give us your entire draft for 09 and 2010 and it's a deal :coffee:

Bold words coming from a fan of a team with no pass rush when discussing a "past his prime" guy that had 14.5 sacks last year.

[CatMan72]

Cutler would be a monster for the Panthers, especially since they already have leaders and he doesn't have to be the sole one.

Peppers makes me nervous because it's a large contract to take on for an aging guy who wants to switch to a new position.

Delhomme would feel right at home here because we have his old OC and an offense he should slide right into. Jake does stupid things in bunches, but in most games he's fine. He just has those 5 INT games that make you want to cry. He'd adore our OL.

McDaniels needs to get a QB who can carry instant production, because he can't wait the 3-4 years for a rookie to grasp it. Some rooks do well their first year, but most of them do it because all the other pieces on O and D are in place, and we don't have that luxury.

It's a reasonable trade. Add a draftpick based on Cutler's performance (since he's gonna tear it up, it'll be a high one) and I think McDaniels would have to look hard at it. It takes a big chunk of change to get Peppers done, though, and I don't think we have it, not with the added salary of Delhomme to absorb.

So in theory it solves some of McD's issues (quality pass-rusher, vet QB who knows the system and can win games, dumping of Cutler) but does it actually work in the real world?

*shrugs* If it works, it's not a long-term fix at QB, but it buys McDaniels wins and time, which is what he really wants.

~G

Excellent point on Mike McCoy your new OC who is Delhomme's old QB coach at Carolina!

"Does stupid things in bunches" can't put it any better than that, but he also does great things in bunches.

[Italianmobstr7]

I have a friend at work who is a Panthers fan who has brought this up too. Hell no. Delhomme sucks. Peppers is amazing, but still not worth it unless we get picks too.

[hotcarl]

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yes

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tia
~carl
:welcome:

[Devilspawn]

lol @ this post

Unlike the Broncos... Panthers have a solid defense you act like Cutler is the biggest reason we lost 8 games last year :tsk:
Who cares about the defense. It's not all about the defense. The defense is abysmal, you win that war. But when the offense is #2 in stats but #16 in scoring, the defense isn't in the equation. If they were top 7 in BOTH categories, then I'd lay off Cutler.

He's not a leader. He's just a QB with great arm strength. I'd cut him more slack if his recent attitude didn't reflect what we've seen on the field, which is a lack of maturity to come out on top of the situation. If he took the high road and McDaniels forced the trade himself, then yeah.

It's not ALL Cutler. But it's not all defense, either.

[CatMan72]

I have a friend at work who is a Panthers fan who has brought this up too. Hell no. Delhomme sucks. Peppers is amazing, but still not worth it unless we get picks too.

Delhomme sucked in the playoff game against the Cardinals but look at his career, he has better stats than Cutler...

I'd give you Delhomme, Peppers a 3rd this year and conditional 1st next year based on Cutler's performance.

[CatMan72]

Who cares about the defense. It's not all about the defense. When the offense is #2 in stats but #16 in scoring, the defense isn't in the equation.

Or did you forget that Cutler lost two games in three seasons with the playoffs on the line, at home, but a total of 10 points.

He's not a leader. He's just a QB with great arm strength. I'd cut him more slack if his recent attitude didn't reflect what we've seen on the field, which is a lack of maturity to come out on top of the situation.

It's not ALL Cutler. But it's not all defense, either.

3rd in offense and 16th in scoring = no running game.

You guys really should trade your way up in the draft to get Moreno... he'd be a beast in the Denver zone blocking scheme.

[hotcarl]

Delhomme sucked in the playoff game against the Cardinals but look at his career, he has better stats than Cutler...

I'd give you Delhomme, Peppers a 3rd this year and conditional 1st next year based on Cutler's performance.

ok thanks ill take it


peace
:welcome:

[CatMan72]

ok thanks ill take it


peace
:welcome:

Your welcome.

[EMB6903]

lol @ he has better stats then Cutler

Cutlers been in the league 3 years, its stupid to even use that argument

[CatMan72]

lol @ he has better stats then Cutler

Cutlers been in the league 3 years, its stupid to even use that argument

Okay, let's compare the last 3 full seasons of Delhomme to Cutler...

Here are the facts, Delhomme is a proven playoff winner who had one hell of a game in the SB against the Patriots dynasty. Anyone that turns their nose up at Delhomme because of one bad playoff game is a fool.

[omac]

Jake Plummer>Jake Delhomme. Seriously.

Jake Delhomme went toe-to-toe with Brady in the Superbowl, playing really clutch, and got his team a sniff away from the win, until the botched kickoff. He also played pretty clutch throughout that year and the playoffs. I give the nod to Delhomme, although he did self-destruct last year.

[omac]

Okay, let's compare the last 3 full seasons of Delhomme to Cutler...

Here are the facts, Delhomme is a proven playoff winner who had one hell of a game in the SB against the Patriots dynasty. Anyone that turns their nose up at Delhomme because of one bad playoff game is a fool.

I'm a fan of Delhomme; I think he's a clutch player, and his performance in the playoffs last season was an exception, not the rule. No need to dis Cutler, though; the team was riding on his shoulders.

[EMB6903]

Okay, let's compare the last 3 full seasons of Delhomme to Cutler...

Here are the facts, Delhomme is a proven playoff winner who had one hell of a game in the SB against the Patriots dynasty. Anyone that turns their nose up at Delhomme because of one bad playoff game is a fool.



Delhomme had a defense and a great run game along with one of the #1 offensive weapons in the game. Its stupid to compare a veterans last 3 years in the league to a young QB's FIRST 3 years in the league... Cutler is much better than Delhomme you are blind if you fail to see that.

It isnt even a comparison.

[Italianmobstr7]

Okay, let's compare the last 3 full seasons of Delhomme to Cutler...

Here are the facts, Delhomme is a proven playoff winner who had one hell of a game in the SB against the Patriots dynasty. Anyone that turns their nose up at Delhomme because of one bad playoff game is a fool.

He had them in the Super Bowl in 2003. It's 6 years later now. Good for Delhomme and him being good in the playoffs (until recently). Delhomme isn't half the QB Cutler is. Like I said, Peppers is good but it's still not enough. If Jared Allen is worth 2 1sts and a player, then Cutler is worth just as much, if not more than that. I just flat out wouldn't want Delhomme so there's no way that I would make a trade with the Panthers, unless they were giving us Jonathan Stewart or Deangelo Williams and Julius Peppers.

[Devilspawn]

3rd in offense and 16th in scoring = no running game.

You guys really should trade your way up in the draft to get Moreno... he'd be a beast in the Denver zone blocking scheme.
I'm actually a Raider fan. We use the same scheme though.

I would buy the run thing, but they weren't anemic. They averaged something like 115 yards per game, which is not stellar, but 13 games they had over 100 yards rushing. People say Oakland had a better rushing attack, but they only had 7 games of 100+ yards.

The Panthers run game is tremendous, but I just don't see it. Its Cutler's attitude on and off the field that's making me so critical of him.

[NickelTG]

Okay, let's compare the last 3 full seasons of Delhomme to Cutler...

Here are the facts, Delhomme is a proven playoff winner who had one hell of a game in the SB against the Patriots dynasty. Anyone that turns their nose up at Delhomme because of one bad playoff game is a fool.

Take into consideration Jay is a stud right now..Delhomme has had good games,and I wouldn't put him down,but he's just not appealing after seeing Cutler. If I was a panther's fan,I sure as hell wouldn't blame the effort.

[CatMan72]

Take into consideration Jay is a stud right now..Delhomme has had good games,and I wouldn't put him down,but he's just not appealing after seeing Cutler. If I was a panther's fan,I sure as hell wouldn't blame the effort.

Yeah, right now Cutler > Delhomme simply based on age and potential.

Delhomme is not a replacement for Cutler, but along with our 1st round pick next year he could be a good stop-gap until you bring another young guy in there.

[CatMan72]

If Plummer got to play in your shitty division for the past 4 years, he would've won home field advantage every year. Delhomme just isn't anything special.

Oh, and FYI... the Panthers were 4-0 against the AFC west last year.

[Superchop 7]

If we can throw in McDaniels......you've got a deal.

[NickelTG]

Yeah, right now Cutler > Delhomme simply based on age and potential.

Delhomme is not a replacement for Cutler, but along with our 1st round pick next year he could be a good stop-gap until you bring another young guy in there.

Never said it wouldn't be a somewhat reasonable trade. I don't think that trade would ever equate into a super bowl(for denver obviously) before both of them retired.

[Devilspawn]

Never said it wouldn't be a somewhat reasonable trade. I don't think that trade would ever equate into a super bowl(for denver obviously) before both of them retired.
I don't get this. You said Jay is a stud. The Panthers have a devastating rushing attack and a defense that can still be solid enough without Peppers. Would Cutler succeed in Denver in slightly lesser conditions (a good but not great defense, strong but not spectacular run game) but not in Carolina?

[NickelTG]

I don't get this. You said Jay is a stud. The Panthers have a devastating rushing attack and a defense that can still be solid enough without Peppers. Would Cutler succeed in Denver in slightly lesser conditions (a good but not great defense, strong but not spectacular run game) but not in Carolina?

Of course he would succeed in Carolina. I'm not sure if I understand what you mean. I don't see how the conditions could get a lot worse here as far as defensively. I was referring to Peppers and Delhomme (retire).

[Devilspawn]

Of course he would succeed in Carolina. I'm not sure if I understand what you mean. I don't see how the conditions could get a lot worse here as far as defensively. I was referring to Peppers and Delhomme (retire).
Sorry about that. I misread it and thought you meant Delhomme and Cutler.

[LRtagger]

I'd give you Delhomme, Peppers a 3rd this year and conditional 1st next year based on Cutler's performance.

I would take that. I hate Delhomme, but we can draft a guy this year or next.

[broncohead]

The Charlotte Observer reiterated emphatically Wednesday that "dealing for Jay Cutler simply isn't something the Panthers are interested in doing."

The always staid Panthers place a high priority on character, and they have serious concerns about Cutler and his lack of leadership. Despite Chris Mortensen's speculation to the contrary, the Broncos are not high on Julius Peppers' list of possible destinations.
Source: Charlotte Observer

[BroncoNut]

Panthers fan here with a hypothetical question - would y'all take Peppers and Delhomme in a trade for Cutler?

yes.

[Bronco Bible]

LOL, how many times did "Jake the fake... er snake" throw for 300 yards against the Patriots in the SB?

Before this recent playoff debacle, Delhomme had one of the highest playoff QB ratings in NFL history.

**cough** LOSER **cough**

[DenBronx]

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-7-11/Could-Carolina-be-a-Cutler-possibility-.html

Could Carolina be a Cutler possibility?

April 1, 2009 11:51 AM


Posted by ESPN.com's Pat Yasinskas

TAMPA, Fla. -- I'm out at One Buc Place for minicamp, but the Bucs might not be the only NFC South team that could get involved in the Jay Cutler sweepstakes.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen thinks the Panthers could be a contender because they could offer disgruntled defensive end Julius Peppers in a trade. Hey, it makes sense on a lot of levels and both teams could get rid of headaches. I'm thinking the Panthers probably would have to add a draft pick or two along with Peppers to make a deal work.

But keep in mind that moves like this are totally out of character for coach John Fox and general manager Marty Hurney, who have a strong loyalty to incumbent quarterback Jake Delhomme. Sure, there may be some questions about Cutler, but the Panthers already have plenty of questions with Peppers.

I still think it's a long shot that Carolina even gets involved in the Cutler situation. But you have to at least wonder about the possibility because opportunities to get a guy who already has pretty much established himself as a franchise quarterback don't come around very often. Might be time for the Panthers to consider going off their usual path

[DenBronx]

send us peppers, deangelo williams and your 2nd rounder and i think you got a deal.

[CoachChaz]

send us peppers, deangelo williams and your 2nd rounder and i think you got a deal.

I'd take it...but I doubt they would

[underrated29]

send us peppers, deangelo williams and your 2nd rounder and i think you got a deal.

Or stewie, id rather have stewie instead. But i would not complain about that trade.

[DenBronx]

I'd take it...but I doubt they would


Or stewie, id rather have stewie instead. But i would not complain about that trade.


they have 2 backs, its not like they will be hurting for one if one gets dealt. maybe send them buckhalter or jordan in the trade too. peppers is good as gone anyway. this would uprgrade them at qb and they still would have a good rb.

i like stewie too...but wow deangelo was a beast last year.

[CoachChaz]

they have 2 backs, its not like they will be hurting for one if one gets dealt. maybe send them buckhalter or jordan in the trade too. peppers is good as gone anyway. this would uprgrade them at qb and they still would have a good rb.

i like stewie too...but wow deangelo was a beast last year.

I dont think we can trade Jordan or Buck yet and either way, this is all assuming they value Cutler as much as fans do. Their best bargaining chip is that mcD feels he can win with a system QB and therefore Cutler's value isnt immense...as opposed to arguably the best DE in the game. Politics will be a part of the process and it's doubtful we see a pot that sweet unfortunately

[DenBronx]

I dont think we can trade Jordan or Buck yet and either way, this is all assuming they value Cutler as much as fans do. Their best bargaining chip is that mcD feels he can win with a system QB and therefore Cutler's value isnt immense...as opposed to arguably the best DE in the game. Politics will be a part of the process and it's doubtful we see a pot that sweet unfortunately

mcd better draft a qb then. because if he's going to go after a proven vet then its going to be hard to teach an old dog new tricks. if he cant teach cutler then he's going to have a hard time teaching pretty much anyone else but a rookie.

if a trade like that did happen with carolina then maybe we should just bite the bullet and draft sanchez at 12. then go defense the rest of the draft. theres always a possibilty of us getting burned like the jets trying to jump ahead of us and draft sanchez anyway. thats why i think we need the assurance of a starting veteran qb....you never know what will happen on draft day.

[CoachChaz]

That's why I'd like to see a deal with Cleveland for Anderson, Rogers and swapping firsts

[DenBronx]

That's why I'd like to see a deal with Cleveland for Anderson, Rogers and swapping firsts

thats still not enough. i mean maybe in reality it is but i think cutler is a hot item right now. cleveland could always deal quinn too. they really only need one starting qb. ironically maybe they could sign ramsey as a backup after they trade both. send quinn to tampa and anderson to us. the browns could end up a winner in all of this but so could we.

3 way trade possibilty.


denver trades cutler and #12
cleveland trades quinn, anderson, rogers and #5
tampa trades #19, #81

denver gets anderson, rogers, #5 and #81
(denver gets a guy 2 years shy of 29 tds and 3800 passing yards, a nt and slides up in the 1st.)
cleveland gets cutler, #12 and #19
(cleveland finally gets "its guy" and still has two 1st
tampa gets quinn
(all they are giving up is a 1st and 3rd for quinn or 2nd in 2010)


we end up with the better deal...but thats the type of deal i hope we look for. basically your same idea coach but we end up with pick 81 too.

[CoachChaz]

thats still not enough. i mean maybe in reality it is but i think cutler is a hot item right now. cleveland could always deal quinn too. they really only need one starting qb. ironically maybe they could sign ramsey as a backup after they trade both. send quinn to tampa and anderson to us. the browns could end up a winner in all of this but so could we.

3 way trade possibilty.


denver trades cutler and #12
cleveland trades quinn, anderson, rogers and #5
tampa trades #19, #81

denver gets anderson, rogers, #5 and #81
(denver gets a guy 2 years shy of 29 tds and 3800 passing yards, a nt and slides up in the 1st.)
cleveland gets cutler, #12 and #19
(cleveland finally gets "its guy" and still has two 1st
tampa gets quinn
(all they are giving up is a 1st and 3rd for quinn or 2nd in 2010)


we end up with the better deal...but thats the type of deal i hope we look for.

I could live with that

[underrated29]

That's why I'd like to see a deal with Cleveland for Anderson, Rogers and swapping firsts



John clayton is reporting that he thinks quinn is more than likely going to end up here...He also said we want to trade jay to an NFC team...Not much else really, but a little bit of info.

quinn/anderson, rogers, 1st, edwards
Jay,1st,marshall

I would like that trade personally

[DenBronx]

I could live with that

cleveland and the broncos i think will be on the phone alot. im thinking id be happier with anderson as a 3 year rental over brady quinn. if all mcd has is 3-4 years might as well bring in his prototype of qb.

broncos favorite trading partners should be cleveland and detriot.

[DenBronx]

John clayton is reporting that he thinks quinn is more than likely going to end up here...He also said we want to trade jay to an NFC team...Not much else really, but a little bit of info.

quinn/anderson, rogers, 1st, edwards
Jay,1st,marshall

I would like that trade personally

id trade bmarsh for edwards straight up. marshall has been in trouble on too many times. i love the dude as a player but he is hurting the team. might as well throw in braylon...

[claymore]

thats still not enough. i mean maybe in reality it is but i think cutler is a hot item right now. cleveland could always deal quinn too. they really only need one starting qb. ironically maybe they could sign ramsey as a backup after they trade both. send quinn to tampa and anderson to us. the browns could end up a winner in all of this but so could we.

3 way trade possibilty.


denver trades cutler and #12
cleveland trades quinn, anderson, rogers and #5
tampa trades #19, #81

denver gets anderson, rogers, #5 and #81
(denver gets a guy 2 years shy of 29 tds and 3800 passing yards, a nt and slides up in the 1st.)
cleveland gets cutler, #12 and #19
(cleveland finally gets "its guy" and still has two 1st
tampa gets quinn
(all they are giving up is a 1st and 3rd for quinn or 2nd in 2010)


we end up with the better deal...but thats the type of deal i hope we look for. basically your same idea coach but we end up with pick 81 too.

Throw in Marshall and Royal for they're first rounder straight up and Im sold.

[underrated29]

I honestly feel that if we dont trade brandon now we will lose him in FA next year. I do not think he will resign with us especially after his good buddy jay has been shipped out. So if we can package them together i think we maximize an already extremely high value for us.

[DenBronx]

Throw in Marshall and Royal for they're first rounder straight up and Im sold.

royal with cheese stays...sorry..i know you want to deal clady too but maybe next year.


I honestly feel that if we dont trade brandon now we will lose him in FA next year. I do not think he will resign with us especially after his good buddy jay has been shipped out. So if we can package them together i think we maximize an already extremely high value for us.

yeah and i dont want us to fork out the money it will take to resign him anyway. he could be suspended for up to 8 games THIS year! we have played this game too many times. if somehow we could swing a deal that send braylon edwards here it would be sweet. him and royal would be a good pair.

[NickelTG]

id trade bmarsh for edwards straight up. marshall has been in trouble on too many times. i love the dude as a player but he is hurting the team. might as well throw in braylon...



Did you watch the browns play at all last year? Edwards couldn't catch aids if he slit he wrist and dumped a bottle of aids virus on it. There isn't a browns fan alive that is happy with him.

[CrazyHorse]

Did you watch the browns play at all last year? Edwards couldn't catch aids if he slit he wrist and dumped a bottle of aids virus on it. There isn't a browns fan alive that is happy with him.

Didn't he lead the league in dropped passes?
For sure he had more than Marshall.

[DenBronx]

Did you watch the browns play at all last year? Edwards couldn't catch aids if he slit he wrist and dumped a bottle of aids virus on it. There isn't a browns fan alive that is happy with him.


Didn't he lead the league in dropped passes?
For sure he had more than Marshall.

he did but marshall wasnt that far behind in dropped passes. if braylon could get back to what he did 2 years ago (like anderson) then he would be at the top of everyones fantasy wish list again.

marshall is the better wr....but why not deal him before he gets in more trouble?

[NickelTG]

he did but marshall wasnt that far behind in dropped passes. if braylon could get back to what he did 2 years ago (like anderson) then he would be at the top of everyones fantasy wish list again.

marshall is the better wr....but why not deal him before he gets in more trouble?

because edwards is horrible..That's reason enough. Look I don't like off field problems as much as the next guy,but this whole "deal your best players for nice guys" stuff is absurd.

The comparison of drops is definitely fair. Although Edwards has more, I obviously am not blind to BM. At the same time BM is a playmaker whereas Edwards isn't. I seriously believe that Denver fans wouldn't be happy with Edwards by the end of next season,if he was a bronco. Cleveland fans aren't happy with him and well.....it's Cleveland

I live in ohio. If it wasn't for the net I wouldn't even see broncos games. I stream them from my computer right to my big screen. Around here all you can see is Cincy,pitt and Cleveland games(except for fox)..I still watch those games (whenever denver isn't playing),and honestly I don't think much of Edwards or Anderson. Quinn shows promise and accuracy. Anderson has looked good,but it's not a guarantee that he would do much of anything in a broncos uni.

[JONtheBRONCO]

LOL, how many times did "Jake the fake... er snake" throw for 300 yards against the Patriots in the SB?

Before this recent playoff debacle, Delhomme had one of the highest playoff QB ratings in NFL history.

How many times has Delhomo thrown for 300 yards in his life. Like twice? I'd rather have Simms than Jake D. Peppers would be great, but he'll likely demand a huge contract, and while I would love what he would bring to Denver, I think we need more youth.