Your Top 5 Bands...

[Buff]

Narrow it to 5 damnit... That means I don't want to see Anubis' list of top 50 Swedish metal bands.

And they have to be in order... I don't want to hear "I couldn't decide, so here are my top 10 in no particular order..." None of that BS. These are your top 5 favorite bands of all time, in order.

My list changes from year to year, but these 5 have pretty much been mainstays over the last 10 years or so.

5. Red Hot Chili Peppers
4. Pink Floyd
3. Creedence Clearwater Revival
2. Nine Inch Nails
1. Tool

[Northman]

Top 50 Swedish Metal Bands....


J/k


1. Devin Townsend/Strapping Young Lad
2. Fear Factory
3. Type O Negative
4. Sepultura (classic)
5. Korn

[chazoe60]

5. Sublime
4. Social Distortion
3. Flogging Molly
2. The Pogues
1. The Tossers

[Buff]

Korn and Sublime almost made my list... But I decided to go with RHCP instead because they've been at it for so long.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

5. Britney Spears
4. Bill Devaroe and the Southern Flag Flyers
3. Genie in the Bottle (Girl who did that song.)
2. Daft Punk
1. Kenny G

[Skinny]

1) Blind Melon
2) Creedence Clearwater Revival
3) Sublime
4) The Black Crowes
5) Green Day

[Thnikkaman]

Anyone who comes up with the argument of "These aren't bands", they can blow me.

1) The Roots
2) Tribe Called Quest
3) Aceyalone
4) Daedelus
5) De La Soul

[getlynched47]

1. Linkin Park

2. Blink-182

3. The Offspring

4. Green Day

5. Fall Out Boy

[Northman]

Wow, all of a sudden the lists got very cr................. lol

[Thnikkaman]

Wow, all of a sudden the lists got very cr................. lol

And it all started at about this post


Top 50 Swedish Metal Bands....


J/k


1. Devin Townsend/Strapping Young Lad
2. Fear Factory
3. Type O Negative
4. Sepultura (classic)
5. Korn

:laugh:

[shank]

i'll do it, but i'm going to be wrong, i know it.

1. fugazi
2. nirvana
3. alkaline trio
4. against me
5. authority zero

[studbucket]

1) The Offspring
2) Collective Soul
3) Bloc Party
4) Pearl Jam
5) Better Than Ezra

[shank]

1) The Offspring
2) Collective Soul
3) Bloc Party
4) Pearl Jam
5) Better Than Ezra

i love offspring. if i'd have made my list yesterday, they would have been on it, but i changed the cd in my truck.

[*Atwater*]

1) Led Zeppelin
2) Zapp
3) Bone Thugs-n-Harmony
4) Guns N' Roses
5) Lynyrd Skynyrd

[MOtorboat]

3) Aceyalone
4) Daedelus

Those aren't bands.

[MOtorboat]

1.) Smashing Pumpkins
2.) Dave Matthews Band
3.) Red Hot Chili Peppers
4.) Widespread Panic
5.) Led Zeppelin

[Thnikkaman]

Those aren't bands.


blow me.

:congratulations:

[EMB6903]

5. Britney spears
4. Bill devaroe and the southern flag flyers
3. Genie in the bottle (girl who did that song.)
2. Daft punk
1. Kenny g

lmao!

[Requiem / The Dagda]

In all honesty, I'd have to be something like this:

1. The Deftones
2. Radiohead
3. Mogwai
4. Cult of Luna
5. Porcupine Tree

Close, but no cigar: Mastadon, Clann Zu, Glassjaw, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Cure

Just so many damn good bands. ****monkie.

[DallasChief]

Sublime
Pink Floyd
Violent Femmes
Nirvana
Smashing Pumpkins

[dunk7]

1. Dream Theater
2. Symphony X
3. Fear Factory
4. The Who
5. Rush

[Foochacho]

1. Children of Bodom
2. Static X
3. Sevendust
4. Soulfly
5. Shadows Fall

[broncobryce]

1. Nirvana
2. Rancid
3. Red Hot Chili Peppers
4. Alklaline Trio
5. Ramones

[BroncoNut]

Red Hot Chili's
Rush
Led Zeppelin
The Doors
Nirvana

[BroncoNut]

Sublime
Pink Floyd
Violent Femmes
Nirvana
Smashing Pumpkins


I like one song by the smashing pumpkins. the rest suck

[broncobryce]

I like 0 songs by Rush........the dude sounds like a girl......

[BroncoNut]

I like 0 songs by Rush........the dude sounds like a girl......

that's great. Have a nice day

[studbucket]

I like one song by the smashing pumpkins. the rest suck

And that song is Bullet with Butterfuly Wings? Zero? 1979? Today? Disarm?

Just curious.

[BroncoNut]

And that song is Bullet with Butterfuly Wings? Zero? 1979? Today? Disarm?

Just curious.

actually, I shouldn't say I think they suck because i haven't heard much of them. DC is just really getting on my nerves lately.

Its a popular song, can't think of the name of it offhand. I can't even put the melody in my head

[drewloc]

5. Unearth
4. Stone Temple Pilots
3. Deftones
2. Fear Factory
1. Soundgarden

[aberdien]

1. Radiohead
2. The Beatles
3. Mum
4. Rush
5. Alice in Chains


Honorable Mentions: The White Stripes, Bob Dylan, Neutral Milk Hotel

[Northman]

I like one song by the smashing pumpkins. the rest suck

Not me. I enjoy everything from Gish to Mellon Collie.

I still remember to this day in 1990 when i was lounging around on a Saturday and i had one of those old TV's with the turn knobs. I turned it to some random ass channel and they were playing all these weird videos (at that time anyway) and i ended up getting hooked on a couple of bands. One vid was of Napalm Death's "Suffer the Children" and another was "Siva" by the Smashing Pumpkins. I remember a few years later people started getting really crazy about them.

[aberdien]

Siva. Oh Siva.

[MasterShake]

No particular order:

1. Smashing Pumpkins
2. Oasis
3. Nine Inch Nails
4. The White Stripes
5. Beck

Oddly enough, I made this Smashing Pumpkins wallpaper for a friend today if anyone wants a copy:

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u14/Kenobi1_bucket/th_ZEROANGEL.jpg (http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u14/Kenobi1_bucket/?action=view&current=ZEROANGEL.jpg)

[Den21vsBal19]

5) Def Leppard
4) Thin Lizzy
3) Led Zeppelin
2) Dire Straits
1) Queen

[dogfish]

just five, and they have to be in order?



no wonder "tool" is yer fave, buff. . . . . :coffee:

[Northman]

just five, and they have to be in order?



no wonder "tool" is yer fave, buff. . . . . :coffee:


Funny thing is i myself ended up liking A Perfect Circle more than Tool. But i wouldnt turn tool off if it was on.

[atwater27]

These may not be the greatest bands of all time(That kind of list), but they are who I listen to the most lately....

1. Delerium
2. Frontline Assembly
3. Balligomingo
4. Massive Attack
5. Sleepthief

[Foochacho]

Funny thing is i myself ended up liking A Perfect Circle more than Tool. But i wouldnt turn tool off if it was on.

I like Tool better than A Perfect Circle. But I do like Stone Sour better than Slipknot. They are a good band to listen to when you wanna tone it down a bit.

I like alot of bands it is hard to put together a top 5 and it seems like that list always changes with what you are into at the time. One other band I love is Chevelle they deserve an honorable mention.

[CrazyHorse]

1. Styx
2. Foreigner
3. Def Leppard
4. Dokken
5. Kansas

I'm still pissed I missed the first 3 at the state fair. It wasn't the original lineups though so meh.

[underrated29]

1. Offspring
2. Aerosmith
3. The Who
4. Rise Against
5. Pearl Jam

I think... So hard to choose

[NameUsedBefore]

Eh, not really possible for me but whatevah,

1. Porcupine Tree. Having been incredibly impressed by their full discography (kudos to Slick) they have taken this spot from,

2. Tool. Regardless of where my tastes lie with them in the future the simple fact is that they opened me up to new music. Before them it was radio. And radio is ****ing HORRIBLE. I will always remember that when I first heard The Grudge -- first song I ever heard from them when I bought Lateralus -- it was like figuring out touching my dick felt good. A true renaissance in my life. Without it I probably would be a born-again Christian or something equally as lame.

3. Elbow. I only have 1 CD of this band. But it is competing with Lateralus as the best CD I own, which says a goddam-lot.

4. Moloko. No longer together, sadly. Roisin Murphy is doing her own thing, but Moloko was/is god. I can't even explain how awesome I think their music is. Also the only band which I will only listen to their live stuff.

5. Video game/movie soundtracks/instrumentals. I couldn't really name just one, but I listen to a lot of the above.

Runner ups: A Perfect Circle, Opeth, Alicia Keys, Radiohead, Puscifer, Richard Cheese, assloads more... I listen to music constantly so it's kinda hard to choose just a few.

[Broncospsycho77]

5. Weezer - A mainstream band that actually has an identity. Sometimes their lyrics are really shitty, but their early work really puts them in my faves.

4. Earl Greyhound - Kickass, garage multiracial rock/metal/soul band. Just listen once.

3. Sublime - Perfect lyric work ("I don't practice Santeria"..."I can play the guitar like a mother****in riot"), fantastic song compositions with elements of everything. Too bad they didn't last longer....

2. The Beatles - Shouldn't have to explain. The harmonies, the songs, the legend.

1. Jet - Especially their first album... Just kickass rockers, but also do well in their piano/acoustic ballads (which are some of my favorite songs of all time).

[ikillz0mbies]

1. Explosions In The Sky
2. M83
3. Interpol
4. Yeah Yeah Yeahs
5. Autolux

Honorable Mention: Sea Wolf, Converge, Arcade Fire, Sonic Youth, Pixies, Envy, Sigur Ros, Mogwai, Russian Circles, Isis, These Arms Are Snakes

[AlWilsonizKING]

A lot to think about but these "bands" I can listen to at any time...

1. Led Zeppelin
2. Pink Floyd
3. Social Distortion
4. Rise Against
5. Rage Against the Machine



PEACE!!!

[aberdien]

1. Radiohead
2. The Beatles
3. Mum
4. Rush
5. Alice in Chains


Honorable Mentions: The White Stripes, Bob Dylan, Neutral Milk Hotel

Bumping this so I can look at my list and create an updated one that doesn't suck.

[King87]

Bob Dylan is trash fam

[BroncoNut]

Bob Dylan was a poet. I like his melody too. Maybe not the prettiest singing voice but come on give the guy a break. He and Joan Baez were lovers btw. Joan laments this in her song diamonds and rust

[King87]

Bob Dylan was a poet. I like his melody too. Maybe not the prettiest singing voice but come on give the guy a break. He and Joan Baez were lovers btw. Joan laments this in her song diamonds and rust

He doesn't put the 'try' in poetry!

[BroncoNut]

He doesn't put the 'try' in poetry!

No he doesn't have to.

[King87]

No he doesn't have to.

I am God, but what makes you think me and the devil are different?

[Buff]

Stop bumping these threads from 15 years ago when I was but a child!

[King87]

Stop bumping these threads from 15 years ago when I was but a child!

How do you think I feel? I'm younger than you! Granted most people are both age wise, and soul wise.

Buff, you're kind of a piece of shit to be honest. I love you, but you garbage!

[Buff]

How do you think I feel? I'm younger than you! Granted most people are both age wise, and soul wise.

Buff, you're kind of a piece of shit to be honest. I love you, but you garbage!

This presupposes that I think about how you feel. Ain't nobody got time for that!

[Hawgdriver]

Top 5, all time:

1. Pink Floyd
2. Beatles
3. Bauhaus
4. Siouxsie
5. Tool

[King87]

This presupposes that I think about how you feel. Ain't nobody got time for that!

I just checked with my ego and it does not believe the presupposition is incorrect!

My ego is never wrong.

[aberdien]

I was 16. I enjoy reading about how dumb I was when I was 16.

[BroncoNut]

Hang and Abe. Kindly be quiet. Check this shit out between King and Buff. They've each used the word "presupposes" some serious shit!

[King87]

Hang and Abe. Kindly be quiet. Check this shit out between King and Buff. They've each used the word "presupposes" some serious shit!

Buff used to ride with the king!

[BroncoNut]

Buff used to ride with the king!

I didnt realize you 2 were so tight. I can feel the passion through your exchanges. I wish you both the best.

[King87]

I didnt realize you 2 were so tight. I can feel the passion through your exchanges. I wish you both the best.

I didn't say he rode the King. With all respect to Buff, I've had better men and women.

[Hawgdriver]

Hang and Abe. Kindly be quiet. Check this shit out between King and Buff. They've each used the word "presupposes" some serious shit!

There's a man's entire life in that top 5 list sir.

[aberdien]

1. Radiohead
2. The Beatles
3. Mum
4. Rush
5. Alice in Chains


Honorable Mentions: The White Stripes, Bob Dylan, Neutral Milk Hotel

My new list, 13 years later:

1. The Strokes
2. The Beatles
3. Taylor Swift
4. Vampire Weekend
5. Prince

[King87]

My new list, 13 years later:

1. The Strokes
2. The Beatles
3. Taylor Swift
4. Vampire Weekend
5. Prince

Beatles weren't very good. I don't know the Strokes, so they're bad. Taylor Swiift is a hack. Vampire Wknd at least sounds good. Prince is a solid pick.

Overall, I give your list an A because it works for you, but also an F because you're a POS.

[King87]

@Buff:

You still a pouty ho.

[King87]

5. Britney Spears
4. Bill Devaroe and the Southern Flag Flyers
3. Genie in the Bottle (Girl who did that song.)
2. Daft Punk
1. Kenny G

Free Dream!

[Northman]

Beatles weren't very good. I don't know the Strokes, so they're bad. Taylor Swiift is a hack. Vampire Wknd at least sounds good. Prince is a solid pick.

Overall, I give your list an A because it works for you, but also an F because you're a POS.


The only good artist on there is Prince and the Beatles so his list gets a D.

[aberdien]

The only good artist on there is Prince and the Beatles so his list gets a D.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/de/53/c1/de53c1fe0801e5d07d226e965b18ce1a.gif

T-Swift, in addition to obviously being one of our generational pop stars, is one of the great modern singer songwriters. In relation to the all-time great singer-songwriters - Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, etc - she is there. Prolific, and has not released a bad album, no cap.

I am prepared to die on this hill.

[Northman]

https://c.tenor.com/I7iswCYiiXYAAAAM/gagging-gag.gif

[aberdien]

One day you will learn to appreciate her as an artist even if you don't like the sound of her music!!! Free yourself from the mindset that sees her as just a late 2000s annoying pop star with no musical talent...because it's not true!!!

[Northman]

One day you will learn to appreciate her as an artist even if you don't like the sound of her music!!! Free yourself from the mindset that sees her as just a late 2000s annoying pop star with no musical talent...because it's not true!!!

I can appreciate her as artist, at least in her genre. I just dont find her an amazing song writer at least compared to individuals like Prince who was a part of that same genre. One thing i will give her credit for though is the ability to crossover from country to pop and not miss a beat. Took guts to do that from a career perspective.

[Hawgdriver]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/de/53/c1/de53c1fe0801e5d07d226e965b18ce1a.gif

T-Swift, in addition to obviously being one of our generational pop stars, is one of the great modern singer songwriters. In relation to the all-time great singer-songwriters - Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, etc - she is there. Prolific, and has not released a bad album, no cap.

I am prepared to die on this hill.

I may enlist in your army. I'll give her some airtime.

[aberdien]

I can appreciate her as artist, at least in her genre. I just dont find her an amazing song writer at least compared to individuals like Prince who was a part of that same genre. One thing i will give her credit for though is the ability to crossover from country to pop and not miss a beat. Took guts to do that from a career perspective.

I say this as a Prince lover...I think T-Swift might be a better songwriter and a better (or at least more consistent) artist. Perhaps I am a prisoner of this moment since I've been on a Swifty kick lately. They both have similarities at the very least, in that they are both iconic superstars before they are music artists, and they both produce/d a shit load of "in the vault" work. Prolific with a capital P. Ooh, this is an interesting comparison. I'll just say that Prince made maybe 5 classic, great, super acclaimed albums, and some of the stuff he put out was pretty garbage. Taylor Swift has so far made at least 5, but I would argue more than 5, and doesn't have an album that is garbage.

My new goal today: I'm gonna make a playlist that showcases what I believe to be her best work, the work that puts her up there with the all-time greats.

[Hawgdriver]

I say this as a Prince lover...I think T-Swift might be a better songwriter and a better (or at least more consistent) artist. Perhaps I am a prisoner of this moment since I've been on a Swifty kick lately. They both have similarities at the very least, in that they are both iconic superstars before they are music artists, and they both produce/d a shit load of "in the vault" work. Prolific with a capital P. Ooh, this is an interesting comparison. I'll just say that Prince made maybe 5 classic, great, super acclaimed albums, and some of the stuff he put out was pretty garbage. Taylor Swift has so far made at least 5, but I would argue more than 5, and doesn't have an album that is garbage.

My new goal today: I'm gonna make a playlist that showcases what I believe to be her best work, the work that puts her up there with the all-time greats.

/subscribe

also, linky that shit

[King87]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/de/53/c1/de53c1fe0801e5d07d226e965b18ce1a.gif

T-Swift, in addition to obviously being one of our generational pop stars, is one of the great modern singer songwriters. In relation to the all-time great singer-songwriters - Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, etc - she is there. Prolific, and has not released a bad album, no cap.

I am prepared to die on this hill.

Let's meet in the middle and just have you die.

She doesn't write her own songs, btw. You're a dunce if you believe that.

[Northman]

Let's meet in the middle and just have you die.

She doesn't write her own songs, btw. You're a dunce if you believe that.

Eh, i think she does. I could be wrong but i swear i read or saw a video (probably part of her doc that Missy watched) in where she said she wrote her own stuff. But i could be wrong.

[King87]

Eh, i think she does. I could be wrong but i swear i read or saw a video (probably part of her doc that Missy watched) in where she said she wrote her own stuff. But i could be wrong.

It's her claim. I just don't believe it. It's not even because I think the lyrics are so great that she couldn't do them herself. I think they're good. I think she's talented enough to do them. I'm dubious about it.

[aberdien]

Let's meet in the middle and just have you die.

She doesn't write her own songs, btw. You're a dunce if you believe that.


It's her claim. I just don't believe it. It's not even because I think the lyrics are so great that she couldn't do them herself. I think they're good. I think she's talented enough to do them. I'm dubious about it.

King has been outed as a misogynist pig.

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[King87]

King has been outed as a misogynist pig.

https://y.yarn.co/cde52b41-8613-4604-8d98-5048f6c5f109_text.gif

I just inked four Netflix specials, bitch!

[aberdien]

https://cherwell.org/2022/02/16/reclaiming-taylor-swifts-songwriting-genius/


On Tuesday 25th of January 2022, Blur and Gorillaz frontman Damon Albarn woke up and chose violence – or at the very least, a monumental dragging on Twitter. Albarn, in an interview with the Los Angeles Times, was asked by journalist Mikael Wood if he thought modern musicians relied on ‘sound and attitude’ over true talent. Wood, answering Albarn’s call to name a musician who is more than a slick surface, stated ‘Taylor Swift is an excellent songwriter’, to which Albarn replied – ‘she doesn’t write her own songs’. Thus began – or rather, re-started – a conversation about the state of modern pop songwriting.

It seems wilfully ignorant for a musician to not know of Taylor Swift’s commitment to writing her own material. Swift is no stranger to these kinds of accusations – her 2010 album Speak Now was entirely self-written, in part, she said, to prove her songwriting prowess to the naysayers. But this was over ten years, three Album of the Year Grammy’s and several dozen awards for songwriting ago. US Bookies has done the maths; 30% of Taylor Swift’s songs were written by her alone, and the remaining 70% feature her as a co-writer. Drake and Justin Bieber, on the contrary, have written none of their songs alone.

I think part of what attracts the distancing of self-professed ‘real’ musicians from Swift’s body of work is that she makes it look easy. Swift doesn’t use alternate tunings or 5/4 time signature – she uses relatively simple chords, lyrics drawn from her feelings and melodies simple enough to stick in your mind. But all of this requires a level of openness and creativity that shouldn’t be dismissed.

Ultimately, everyone thinks the soundtrack to their coming of age is the greatest era of music. My writing this article is likely prompted by memories of singing along to ‘Fearless’ on the way to school and belting out ‘Love Story’ with my friends on the oval. But there are great musicians in every generation, brilliant songwriters who distil our experiences with love, heartbreak, fun and fury into notes and words that carry us through our days. It’s easy to be cynical about newer music, to discount younger generations by lifting up ourselves and our tastes.

[King87]

So one of her worst albums she wrote herself, she's listed on a bunch of her songs as a 'co-writer' and that could mean just about anything as people get creative with their credits all the time, and the defense is two artists who have admitted (at least Drake has) that they have writers. Meanwhile "she makes it look easy," which is a claim based on...simple lyrics and basic guitar playing...from an artist who is notoriously mocked for being a lousy singer by the likes of Aretha Franklin....

JFC. Sometimes simplicity is amazing and other times it is a shield for lack of substance.

[aberdien]

So one of her worst albums she wrote herself, she's listed on a bunch of her songs as a 'co-writer' and that could mean just about anything as people get creative with their credits all the time, and the defense is two artists who have admitted (at least Drake has) that they have writers. Meanwhile "she makes it look easy," which is a claim based on...simple lyrics and basic guitar playing...from an artist who is notoriously mocked for being a lousy singer by the likes of Aretha Franklin....

JFC. Sometimes simplicity is amazing and other times it is a shield for lack of substance.

King is out here leading the war on women!

1. Speak Now is one of her best albums.

2. She is the first person listed on each cowriting credit which means she wrote most of the songs with editing/assistance from other people, usually the same people. I wonder how many songs that guy from Blur wrote all by himself!

3. Her voice was criticized early in her career when she was a teenage girl...now nobody criticizes it because she has literally grown up and refined her craft. Get with the times old man, it's 2022.

[King87]

King is out here leading the war on women!

1. Speak Now is one of her best albums.

2. She is the first person listed on each cowriting credit which means she wrote most of the songs with editing/assistance from other people, usually the same people. I wonder how many songs that guy from Blur wrote all by himself!

3. Her voice was criticized early in her career when she was a teenage girl...now nobody criticizes it because she has literally grown up and refined her craft. Get with the times old man, it's 2022.

1 - No.

2 - Sweet, that doesn't make the dubious claim true.

3 - She literally got bashed by Aretha Franklin not all that long ago.

You are entitled to your questionable opinion that is supported by absurdity. I am glad you like her songs; but she's really not all that great of a talent. Don't fret; neither is Justin Bieber, Drake, or anyone else mentioned in that dreadful article you posted to defend her.

You are, however, a poop.

[King87]

In a new interview with the Los Angeles Times, British musician Damon Albarn denounced Swift as a songwriter, saying, “She doesn’t write her own songs.” When the interviewer pointed out that Swift does, in fact, write and cowrite her music, he doubled down.

“That doesn’t count. I know what cowriting is. Cowriting is very different to writing,” he said. “I’m not hating on anybody, I’m just saying there’s a big difference between a songwriter and a songwriter who cowrites. Doesn’t mean that the outcome can’t be really great.”



When people debate greatest rappers of all-time, one of the reasons why Drake gets tossed out by many is because he co-writes/has ghostwriters. That's what I'm driving at.

[aberdien]

1 - No.

2 - Sweet, that doesn't make the dubious claim true.

3 - She literally got bashed by Aretha Franklin not all that long ago.

You are entitled to your questionable opinion that is supported by absurdity. I am glad you like her songs; but she's really not all that great of a talent. Don't fret; neither is Justin Bieber, Drake, or anyone else mentioned in that dreadful article you posted to defend her.

You are, however, a poop.

1. You have never listened to it.

2. Only a ShaneFalco-tier conspirator would believe she didn't write her songs...or somebody who doesn't know what they're talking about!

3. My dude, that was 10 years ago. Let me know how many acclaimed songs Aretha co-wrote with somebody else, much less wrote by herself. She is dead while T-Swift lives. Old people are wrong about most things anyway.

[aberdien]

In a new interview with the Los Angeles Times, British musician Damon Albarn denounced Swift as a songwriter, saying, “She doesn’t write her own songs.” When the interviewer pointed out that Swift does, in fact, write and cowrite her music, he doubled down.

“That doesn’t count. I know what cowriting is. Cowriting is very different to writing,” he said. “I’m not hating on anybody, I’m just saying there’s a big difference between a songwriter and a songwriter who cowrites. Doesn’t mean that the outcome can’t be really great.”



When people debate greatest rappers of all-time, one of the reasons why Drake gets tossed out by many is because he co-writes/has ghostwriters. That's what I'm driving at.

King over here letting some British dork with no air conditioning who doesn't listen to and has never worked with Taylor swift mansplain how she writes songs lmfao.

[King87]

1. You have never listened to it.

2. Only a ShaneFalco-tier conspirator would believe she didn't write her songs...or somebody who doesn't know what they're talking about!

3. My dude, that was 10 years ago. Let me know how many acclaimed songs Aretha co-wrote with somebody else, much less wrote by herself. She is dead while T-Swift lives. Old people are wrong about most things anyway.

1 - How do you know?

2 - Really, only a loser like SF would think someone would lie on their resume?

3 - Ten years ago isn't a long time ago when you're old like I am. Aretha wasn't a great songwriter; she was a GOAT singer. Taylor has a weak singing voice. FFS, her entire entrance into the business was based on cronyism anyway.

I already put one former friend on ignore earlier, I'll not hesitate to do it to a TS loving midget!!!!!

[King87]

King over here letting some British dork with no air conditioning who doesn't listen to and has never worked with Taylor swift mansplain how she writes songs lmfao.

Abe over here simping for a muskrat-faced ho who can't sing while he also incorrectly applies mansplaining. She has a bad voice, writes simplistic songs, and mostly co-writes her high-school-emotion-laden lyrics. Stop listening to your **** and listen with your ears, you horny chihuahua.

[Northman]

https://i.gifer.com/4IpF.gif

[Buff]

The problem with having opinions on message boards is that people might dig up a decade-or-days-old thread that makes you look foolish... I sometimes listen to those bands mentioned in the OP, but not very often.

[King87]

The problem with having opinions on message boards is that people might dig up a decade-or-days-old thread that makes you look foolish... I sometimes listen to those bands mentioned in the OP, but not very often.

It just means you changed as a person. Well, sort of. You still have that ******* atrocious avatar that was shit back then and shittier now.

[Buff]

It just means you changed as a person. Well, sort of. You still have that ******* atrocious avatar that was shit back then and shittier now.

The avatar perfectly encapsulates my brand, you uncultured, unnuanced boor.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9oyVVTO9uo

[Northman]

The problem with having opinions on message boards is that people might dig up a decade-or-days-old thread that makes you look foolish... I sometimes listen to those bands mentioned in the OP, but not very often.

What do you listen to now?

[Northman]

Buff is more metal now and i accept him into my family just like i did with Kinger. Come my children.....

[underrated29]

I have never liked Prince. He sucks. He has like 3 songs that arent garbage to me.

I would listen to tay tay over prince all day errr day. I also am not a taylor swift fan either, but that shows just how much I am not a Prince fan. @me all you want. He still sucks. Half time with him sucked too at the SB.

[Northman]

You are dumb....

[underrated29]

URawesome
Prince are sucks
Metal/Hard Rock are beautiful

[aberdien]

I have never liked Prince. He sucks. He has like 3 songs that arent garbage to me.

I would listen to tay tay over prince all day errr day. I also am not a taylor swift fan either, but that shows just how much I am not a Prince fan. @me all you want. He still sucks. Half time with him sucked too at the SB.

This is me @ing you.

[King87]

The avatar perfectly encapsulates my brand, you uncultured, unnuanced boor.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9oyVVTO9uo

You don't have a brand, and that's your brand...and that makes it a shitty brand. FFS, I've been reading literary classics before you were trying to finger-blast your first girlfriend. I was dining on fine Arabic cuisine when you were eating string-cheese. When I was banging out classics on the piano you were rocking frosted-tips in your hair and wearing jewelry from Pac-Sun. How dare you! You are a pair of crocs!

[King87]

Buff is more metal now and i accept him into my family just like i did with Kinger. Come my children.....

I'm going to fight Buff. He crossed the line. I don't care if he calls me fat, stupid, or Mitt Romney. But uncultured?!?!?!? He crossed the ******* line. We have to fight now. There's no god damned choice in the matter. The loser has to adopt Abe. High stakes.

[underrated29]

This is me @ing you.

Mmmmm. Felt good too!
Give me another!

[Buff]

You don't have a brand, and that's your brand...and that makes it a shitty brand. FFS, I've been reading literary classics before you were trying to finger-blast your first girlfriend. I was dining on fine Arabic cuisine when you were eating string-cheese. When I was banging out classics on the piano you were rocking frosted-tips in your hair and wearing jewelry from Pac-Sun. How dare you! You are a pair of crocs!

I like that I high fived a post talking about how shitty Prince is right after delivering that diatribe about how your life lacks all perspective and meaning.

[King87]

I like that I high fived a post talking about how shitty Prince is right after delivering that diatribe about how your life lacks all perspective and meaning.

Well, yeah! I don't care about that. But uncultured? Unnuanced? It's those two things alone that contribute to a lack of perspective and meaning.

If you're going to flame me at least do it right. You shit the bed! YOU SHIT THE BED!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chazoe60]

My bands have changed so much.

[King87]

My bands have changed so much.

Tell us! TELL US!

[Northman]

My bands have changed so much.

My top 5 changes every week. Lol

[chazoe60]

5. Flogging Molly
4. Colter Wall
3. The Pogues
2. Lost Dog Street Band
1. John Prine

[King87]

5. Lamb of God
4. Nas
3. 2Pac
2. Lil Nas X
1. TBD.

I used to love Joe Budden, but I couldn't condone what he was as a person. Honorable mentions to gunship, Blackbear, Biggie, and Robert Johnson.

[aberdien]

Making this T-Swift playlist...I'm not sure how King does not listen to her most heartwrenching ballads late at night while crying like a normal heartbroken millennial.

Hits the spot.

[King87]

Making this T-Swift playlist...I'm not sure how King does not listen to her most heartwrenching ballads late at night while crying like a normal heartbroken millennial.

Hits the spot.

How do you cry yourself to sleep at night as a heartbroken person when you, in numerous other conversations, have shown yourself to be a heartbreaker?

JFC!

[aberdien]

So, Taylor Swift. She has a lot of songs from all of her different eras and they are all varying degrees of good, so it's hard to pick a handful of her "best" songs. I care more about sound than lyrics, but she has been complimented on the detailed storytelling in her songs.

If you want to hear the 5 most critically acclaimed songs she has, these are the ones I would go for. They are all pretty representative of the different eras of her career, and none of them have been big radio hits. All Too Well was originally a non-single deep cut that grew among Switfies and now it is generally agreed to be her best song in terms of her vivid storytelling.

All Too Well
Getaway Car
Enchanted
Cruel Summer
august

If you wanna hear some of my favorite T-Swift songs:

Our Song
State of Grace
It's Nice to Have A Friend
Getaway Car
Fifteen
I Almost Do
Holy Ground
All You Had to Do Was Stay
New Romantics
Mirrorball
August
My Tears Ricochet

The albums breakdown:

Taylor Swift - some good songs on here, but mostly radio pop-country, not that there's anything wrong with that
Fearless - a step up from the previous album, most songs are good, and there's a handful of certified bangers if you're okay with teen love songs
Sparks Fly - the first album she wrote all the songs on, it's too long but it's my 2nd favorite album of hers
Red - a bridge between the teen country pop era and her becoming a legit singer songwriter, her best album
1989 - synthy, poppy, 80s vibes, ditched the guitars, shorter, this was her first big "genre switch" if you wanna call it that
Reputation - kinda goes into a slightly more industrial sound while still being poppy, but it's definitely darker in tone
Lover - a much happier and more positive shift in tone, more songwriting growth, it's pretty poppy, somewhat dreamy
Folklore & Evermore - Her 2 pandemic albums. If you like indie folk, cabin type music, this is your thing. These are the albums which made people take her seriously in indie-type circles. Taylor Swift meets Bon Iver (they even have a song together) or The National. You can definitely see the growth in terms of songwriting on these. For me, they're too depressing for me to listen to unless i'm in a mood, but they are definitely good and easily her two most acclaimed albums.

----

She is undeniably prolific as a singer-songwriter, acclaimed as a detailed storyteller, and much more than just the teenage girl country-pop star that most people know her as. Even if she just wrote teenage love songs, her teenage love songs are great and deserve acclaim, just like The Beatles’ teenage love songs don’t deserve to be shrugged off. At the very least her career arc is pretty interesting - going from a teen pop star easy to write off as a talentless hack, to an artist trying to be taken seriously, to dating and breaking up with famous dudes and writing songs about them, to dealing with all of the Kanye West award show drama, the aftermath, the criticism of her singing ability, accusations of cultural appropriation, any other number of usual struggles famous people have, and now to an acclaimed singer songwriter.

She has also not had a critically bad album, although most of them are bloated and some less good than others. I’d say she has at least 4 classic albums at this point in her career. For somebody who has made 9 albums between the ages of 16-32, that’s a pretty damn good streak of not missing. You could compare that with any number of acclaimed singer-songwriters and she is at least on par with the Bob Dylans and Neil Youngs of the world.

I got hooked on her after I heard “Our Song” on country radio while working at my aunt’s food truck when I was like 14. I hated country, but that song was dope, and she wrote it for her HS talent show. Ever since then I’ve been a fan and an interested follower of her career. It’s only a matter of time until she misses, and I’m kindof excited to see what happens when she does. Regardless, she is already one of the great American songwriters. Put some respek on her name.

[aberdien]

If you wanna hear her most acclaimed song, which made it to #69 on Rolling Stone's 500 greatest songs of all time:

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If you wanna hear what has been described as her grandiose, arena rock, U2-esque song:

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If you wanna hear maybe her best 80s synthy vibes song:

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If you wanna hear Taylor Swift meets Bon Iver:

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If you wanna hear a solo Taylor cabin-in-the-woods song:

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If you wanna hear a song that most Taylor Swift fans don't like, but I think is among her best:

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[Northman]

Jesus christ Abe, go rub one out already.... lmao

[aberdien]

Jesus christ Abe, go rub one out already.... lmao

One day she will release a metal album. You'll see!

[Hawgdriver]

State of Grace has two versions: studio and "Taylor's Version". Which?

[Hawgdriver]

****. All of these songs have a "Taylor's Version" on Spotify. Confusing.

[Hawgdriver]

If you like spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0zcTzRvU02nf0oL8lYxmk2?si=6fa6c184c121476e

[Hawgdriver]

Ok. About 2 minutes into All Too Well... I started falling in love with Taylor Swift.

#abewins

[aberdien]

State of Grace has two versions: studio and "Taylor's Version". Which?


****. All of these songs have a "Taylor's Version" on Spotify. Confusing.

There was this thing where this dude bought the rights to her music or something, so she has decided to re-recorder her older music so she owns the "master" recording.

The versions basically sound the same, but I prefer the sound of the originals because it's what I first listened to. Your choice, there's almost no difference between them.

[aberdien]

Ok. About 2 minutes into All Too Well... I started falling in love with Taylor Swift.

#abewins

Feel free to do some reading about the song (wiki is fine) if you wish, and then dive into the 10 minute Taylor's version, which she also performed on SNL recently.

[Softskull]

My new list, 13 years later:

1. The Strokes
2. The Beatles
3. Taylor Swift
4. Vampire Weekend
5. Prince

You replaced Radiohead with the Strokes.
Do people usually regress like that in their 20s? You should see a doctor.

[Hawgdriver]

The problem with having opinions on message boards is that people might dig up a decade-or-days-old thread that makes you look foolish... I sometimes listen to those bands mentioned in the OP, but not very often.


Narrow it to 5 damnit... That means I don't want to see Anubis' list of top 50 Swedish metal bands.

And they have to be in order... I don't want to hear "I couldn't decide, so here are my top 10 in no particular order..." None of that BS. These are your top 5 favorite bands of all time, in order.

My list changes from year to year, but these 5 have pretty much been mainstays over the last 10 years or so.

5. Red Hot Chili Peppers
4. Pink Floyd
3. Creedence Clearwater Revival
2. Nine Inch Nails
1. Tool

I was expecting this to be a SOAD, Korn, and Slipknot embarrassment.

If you 'evolved', maybe you need to de-evolve.

[King87]

Ok. About 2 minutes into All Too Well... I started falling in love with Taylor Swift.

#abewins

You're an idiot. ;)

[aberdien]

If you like spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0zcTzRvU02nf0oL8lYxmk2?si=6fa6c184c121476e

following

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3PctWg0OSyKvgpNdFXBObq?si=173ce2726dfb41c2

[Hawgdriver]

You replaced Radiohead with the Strokes.
Do people usually regress like that in their 20s? You should see a doctor.

Have we listened to the Strokes enough? It seems like heresy, but this man, this abe, he has ideas.

[Hawgdriver]

You're an idiot. ;)

Ok! I love it!

[King87]

Ok! I love it!

Just don't go full moron and blither and blather on about her being an elite songwriter and I'll be fine.

[Hawgdriver]

Feel free to do some reading about the song (wiki is fine) if you wish, and then dive into the 10 minute Taylor's version, which she also performed on SNL recently.

It was weird man. She connected with me hard in that song and I don't care whatever spells she used. That shit is dope.

[King87]

Just don't go full moron and blither and blather on about her being an elite songwriter and I'll be fine.


It was weird man. She connected with me hard in that song and I don't care whatever spells she used. That shit is dope.

This is not a good start!

[aberdien]

You replaced Radiohead with the Strokes.
Do people usually regress like that in their 20s? You should see a doctor.

I think I burned out on Radiohead. I would still consider myself a fan. I love In Rainbows, King of Limbs, but I can't handle the rest of em. But I don't find myself wanting to listen to them very often. Also, too depressing at this point in my life.

The Strokes have some bangers!

[Hawgdriver]

Just don't go full moron and blither and blather on about her being an elite songwriter and I'll be fine.

If she wrote the line about the red light, I'm sold on her chops.

[King87]

If she wrote the line about the red light, I'm sold on her chops.

Oh god....I...I retract the extensive compliments I've ever given you. Putting you on ignore, right alongside Abe. I just can't watch one of my heroes fall so hard, so far, and so fast. You meant so much...but now:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UVNT4wvIGY

[Hawgdriver]

If she wrote the line about the red light, I'm sold on her chops.


She collaborated with longtime co-writer Liz Rose, who helped trim the song to five minutes from its original 10-minute length.

**is it an absolute fact that she penned every syllable of the lyrics?**

[Hawgdriver]

Oh god....I...I retract the extensive compliments I've ever given you. Putting you on ignore, right alongside Abe. I just can't watch one of my heroes fall so hard, so far, and so fast. You meant so much...but now:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UVNT4wvIGY

It's a great bit of lyrical poetry. If she wrote it, she's capable of anything imo.

[King87]

**is it an absolute fact that she penned every syllable of the lyrics?**

She, like almost every other mainstream artist, hides behind the "co-writing," label. Meaning they can do diddly-jack for contributions and still get a credit. BTW, I'm King87, nice to meet you! Are you new to this forum?

[Hawgdriver]

Feel free to do some reading about the song (wiki is fine) if you wish, and then dive into the 10 minute Taylor's version, which she also performed on SNL recently.

We both love Donnie Darko! Taylor is going to be the next Mrs. Travis if I have anything to say about it!

[aberdien]

**is it an absolute fact that she penned every syllable of the lyrics?**

She writes the bulk of her songs, even the ones that are cowritten. She is reportedly simply very willing to give credit to others for helping throughout the process. That she cowrote that song does not mean she did not write the song, as King wrongly suggests.

I love All Too Well, but to me her best songs tend to be the ones where she has sole writing credit. Nevertheless, she is a songwriter, and a good one. Every single artist she has collaborated with has vouched for her ability to write songs. She has released documentaries, voice memos along with albums, lots of primary source material that shows her and the writing process she goes through.

[aberdien]

The idea that a white girl teeny bopping pop-country star could write songs is baffling to ignorant people like King, thus the career-long false narrative from people that she doesn't write songs.

[Hawgdriver]

She, like almost every other mainstream artist, hides behind the "co-writing," label. Meaning they can do diddly-jack for contributions and still get a credit. BTW, I'm King87, nice to meet you! Are you new to this forum?

Yeah, that's a thing. But who wrote the lyrics?

[aberdien]

Yeah, that's a thing. But who wrote the lyrics?

"“It was a day when I was like a broken human walking to rehearsal, just feeling terrible about what was going on in my personal life,” Swift told Rolling Stone, recalling the origins of “All Too Well.” She ad-libbed lyrics over chords she had written, as her backing band fell in behind her. “They could tell I was really going through it.” Originally 10 minutes long, “All Too Well” would be paired down by Swift and co-writer Liz Rose into a finely burnished reflection on past love, full of unforgettable imagery and detail. “I thought it was too dark, too sad, too intense, just too many things,” Swift said. But it has become a songwriting peak and one of the greatest breakup songs of all time."

[aberdien]

https://www.thenashnews.com/post/liz-rose-chats-about-writing-all-too-well-10-minute-version-with-taylor-swift


Most recently, Rose’s name has been added in the history books as “All Too Well (10 Minute Version)” broke the record for longest song to reach the No. 1 spot on the Billboard Hot 100 Chart. It was previously held by “American Pie” by Don McLean which has clung to the record since 1972, until Swift came along of course. Speaking of the track, Rose states, “First of all, it just blew my mind that she went back and pulled back all those pieces and put them back in. It was brilliant. I don’t know how she did it but I thought that was pretty amazing to take herself back to that moment.”

Rose recalls the moment they wrote it together. Swift had an inner monologue that continued to pour and pour. “When we wrote it, she came in and she just said, ‘I have all this stream of consciousness,’” Rose tells us. “And she just started singing stuff and we started: what would hit us the hardest is what would go in the song.” When looking at the lyrics that were added to the 10 minute version of the track, Liz tells The Nash News, “Those were things that were in there in her stream of consciousness at the beginning when she started writing it.”

Compared to previous songs Rose had written, “All Too Well” was a completely different animal due to the fast-paced thoughts Swift was having at the time of penning it and because of the heaviness it held. “It was such an emotional song and she had so many brilliant things coming out of her brain all at once. It was not a sit down and look at it and piece it together kind of song,” Rose states. “Taylor sat down with a guitar and just started singing stuff. Then she sat down at the piano and kept singing.”

Although the song was written a decade ago, Rose can vividly remember the day the two of them crafted it as she reminisces, “It was last minute; she just called me and said ‘I’ve got this thing and there’s so much and can you just come help me figure it out.’ It was a great day; it was a really great day. She’s just brilliant. She’s a genius.”

Rose is one of the few who have had the chance to watch Swift evolve as an artist from her teenage years at a close distance. When thinking back to earlier times, Rose brings up a past memory. “I remember when she wrote ‘Our Song’ and we had been writing quite a bit and she came in and said, ‘I’d written this song by myself, can I play it for you?’ and I was like, ‘Absolutely.’ I was just like, oh my god that is so brilliant.” She goes on to add, “You know, I think Taylor has gotten better. And what’s so brilliant about her is that she didn’t have to go off the rails and change everything she did. If you hear a Taylor Swift song now, you can go back and go, she’s doing the same thing she always did. She’s just older and talking about older subjects. She’s grown with her material and she’s perfected it. She doesn’t reinvent herself, she just grows. And I don’t think a lot of artists can do that. They try to outsmart themselves and she’s just trying to get better and evolve and she continues to do it.”

She concludes her praises for Swift by saying, “She is a singer-songwriter performing artist icon. You can’t put her in a box. She’s a superstar.” With an endearing sweetness she adds, “And it’s so funny ‘cause I used to call her that when she was like 17, I’d go ‘Hey superstar.’ I’m so proud of her; I’m still in awe of her.”

[King87]

The idea that a white girl teeny bopping pop-country star could write songs is baffling to ignorant people like King, thus the career-long false narrative from people that she doesn't write songs.

1. I don't care that she's white.

2. I don't care that she did country/does country/has a country flair in her music.

3. It's a common reality that most pop-stars don't write their own music, so the notion that I'm ignorant is absurd and makes you sound like an obtuse moose.

4. For two whole years I heard her music constantly played at my work place. I have dated people, both men and women, who like TS. I am not uninitiated with her music. No, I don't think she actually writes her song, for the same reason I don't think most people in the music industry write their songs.

5. The mere fact that she has credits doesn't mean she wrote anything. I'd go with the classic example of someone in a group project doing nothing but putting their name on the assignment, but that'd be too obvious an argument.

6. **** Buff for hating lists, stupid ho!

[Hawgdriver]

https://www.thenashnews.com/post/liz-rose-chats-about-writing-all-too-well-10-minute-version-with-taylor-swift

I feel it's proper to award the point to abe on this matter.

[King87]

Yeah, that's a thing. But who wrote the lyrics?

A person Abe doesn't get an insta-chub for.

[Hawgdriver]

4. For two whole years I heard her music constantly played at my work place. I have dated people, both men and women, who like TS. I am not uninitiated with her music. No, I don't think she actually writes her song, for the same reason I don't think most people in the music industry write their songs.

Idk man. I think there's a reason Eminem, Dre, and Ye are so successful. I know Ye wrote for Jay-Z, and there's all kind of associate/partner IP-appropriation in the game...but it seems the geniuses tend to get their due.

[King87]

I feel it's proper to award the point to abe on this matter.

Other than the fact that it cements my co-writing argument, someone who has ties to a popular artist complimenting them isn't exactly the most ringing endorsement. What was your name again? Hawg is it? Hope you stick around as a poster, we could use some new blood.

[aberdien]

https://www.dallasobserver.com/music/liz-rose-talks-taylor-swift-all-too-well-girl-crush-and-more-11546761


While never a single, “All Too Well” has been an almost cult-like favorite among Swift fans. Rolling Stone named it her best song of all time, and from interviews with Swift and Rose, many fans believe there’s an even longer version of the 5-minute song.

“There’s not a long version,” Rose says. “Well, there may be. The one I know of was in her brain. She had this long story and musically all the things she wanted to put in it. It was probably a 20-minute song when she called me. And she knew I could help her whittle it down and work on the brilliant pieces of it.”

Rose has previously said she works more as an editor for Swift than other co-writers.

“There aren’t many like Taylor,” Rose says. “I write with a lot of great people, but I’ve never experienced what it’s like being in the room with her. It’s the only time I’ve ever really experienced that.”

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bp/swift-collaboration--liz-rose-talks-about-taylor-making-the-star-s-early-hits-220935530.html


When Taylor Swift was first rising to stardom, and even for a few years afterward, there were a lot of naysayers who refused to believe a girl that young had that kind of songwriting talent. They looked at the credits on her albums and came to an easy conclusion: Clearly, Liz Rose, her decades-older co-writer, was the genius behind the throne.

"I know," says Rose now, remembering the time when Taylor haters were jumping to give her all the credit. "Look at those lyrics. Those are the lyrics of a 13-, 14-, 15-, 16-, 17-, 18-year-old. We certainly weren't writing 50-year-old Liz Rose songs — or 40-year-old, or however old I was then. I don't think like that! It's so funny to me that people could imagine that."

Rose could hardly be humbler when she describes how her co-writing with Swift has worked. She's willing to accept far more credit when it comes to the other collaborations that have led to hit singles — such as "Crazy Girl," the No. 1 country hit for the Eli Young Band that won her an ACM Award last year for Song of the Year. When it comes to Swift, Rose swears that the ideas always sprang directly from the then-curly head of the young star, and that her primary function was to act as a conduit.

"The reason it worked is that I didn't get in her way," Rose says. "With Taylor, it really was editing. That's never anything that she said — that's just how it was! At some point I wondered if I was selling myself short by saying that, because songwriting is songwriting. But with her, that's really what I do, and it's unlike the way I've written with anybody else before or since. A lot of it with Taylor was editing and moving this there and saying, 'Well, what if we said it like this?' I can remember times when I would try and throw out an idea for a new song: 'How about we write this?' And she would just go, 'Yeah, I don't think so. Go and write that with somebody else.' Because Taylor always wanted to write her songs. And there was always so much going on in her brain, you just had to help her get it out and get it down. She always has a reason behind why she's writing something. She's lived it or felt it. She's not making it up."

The fact that their songs were un-pitchable to anyone else in Nashville is part-and-parcel with what made Swift a superstar. "I never wrote with Taylor thinking that we were going to pitch the song. I always knew that we were writing Taylor songs. She really has her own way of saying things. I meet a lot of young girls that think they can be Taylor if I help them out, and I have to say to them, 'These are Taylor's words. There was no magic fairy dust around me. Taylor knew how to write a song at 13. So you need to go figure out how to write your song first.'"

[Hawgdriver]

Other than the fact that it cements my co-writing argument, someone who has ties to a popular artist complimenting them isn't exactly the most ringing endorsement. What was your name again? Hawg is it? Hope you stick around as a poster, we could use some new blood.

This is disrespectful, young man! I urge you toward humility.

I'm not sure why we doubt the possibility of young genius. Joan Baez was 18 when she was turning the world upside down. Yeah. I really just don't gaf about this petty squabble. TSwift may have a machine behind her. That doesn't mean she's not the powerplant of the machine.

[King87]

Idk man. I think there's a reason Eminem, Dre, and Ye are so successful. I know Ye wrote for Jay-Z, and there's all kind of associate/partner IP-appropriation in the game...but it seems the geniuses tend to get their due.

When Drake admitted he had writers he got flamed for it and was removed from the GOAT conversation. Granted he should never have been in that convo to begin with, but still. One of the reasons folks try to hype up the "TS writes her own lyrics," argument is that fact that she's not a great guitarist, nor does she have a spectacular voice. It's very much a rush to validate or justify.

She has wonderful songs. I enjoy her song 'Style'. Not just because it's the greatest philosophy of all listed in the name, but we're literally having a conversation about Taylor Swift being this mega-talent. Does anyone want to remember how she got her start in the industry? Would it be...her dad spending $300,000?

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/taylor-swift-dad-bought-300000-stake-big-machine-records-while-recorded-1st-album.html/

[King87]

I am dominating this thread with proper skepticism and common sense.

[aberdien]

I'll let King continue on with this ridiculous Falco-esque conspiracy theory that she doesn't write her own songs! Even if we removed all of her co-written songs from her catalogue, her solo credited songs are legit on their own.

https://y.yarn.co/7b2c3a9f-7bb5-4782-8fe1-f6d30886ddc3_text.gif

[King87]

https://www.dallasobserver.com/music/liz-rose-talks-taylor-swift-all-too-well-girl-crush-and-more-11546761



https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bp/swift-collaboration--liz-rose-talks-about-taylor-making-the-star-s-early-hits-220935530.html

"With Taylor, it was about editing."

You know, when I was in school it was considered plagiarism to have someone edit my work for me. She gives away the argument with 'what if we said it like this?'

Congrats, Taylor could come up with a concept (insert the common themes she always sings about) and her co-writers made it happen. Per the same person Abe quoted.

[aberdien]

When Drake admitted he had writers he got flamed for it and was removed from the GOAT conversation. Granted he should never have been in that convo to begin with, but still. One of the reasons folks try to hype up the "TS writes her own lyrics," argument is that fact that she's not a great guitarist, nor does she have a spectacular voice. It's very much a rush to validate or justify.

She has wonderful songs. I enjoy her song 'Style'. Not just because it's the greatest philosophy of all listed in the name, but we're literally having a conversation about Taylor Swift being this mega-talent. Does anyone want to remember how she got her start in the industry? Would it be...her dad spending $300,000?

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/taylor-swift-dad-bought-300000-stake-big-machine-records-while-recorded-1st-album.html/

Many of the greatest artists in music history prove you don't have to be a great singer or a great guitarist to make baller ass music :cool:

[Hawgdriver]

When Drake admitted he had writers he got flamed for it and was removed from the GOAT conversation. Granted he should never have been in that convo to begin with, but still. One of the reasons folks try to hype up the "TS writes her own lyrics," argument is that fact that she's not a great guitarist, nor does she have a spectacular voice. It's very much a rush to validate or justify.

She has wonderful songs. I enjoy her song 'Style'. Not just because it's the greatest philosophy of all listed in the name, but we're literally having a conversation about Taylor Swift being this mega-talent. Does anyone want to remember how she got her start in the industry? Would it be...her dad spending $300,000?

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/taylor-swift-dad-bought-300000-stake-big-machine-records-while-recorded-1st-album.html/

Well let's put Drake back up on the pedestal he deserves!

That's interesting though, the idea of Bayesian inference about overall talent by her facility with singing and guitar playing. I'll run down that rabbit hole a bit.

And that's a ******* great dad right there! No wonder she's lighting the world on fire!

[King87]

I'll let King continue on with this ridiculous Falco-esque conspiracy theory that she doesn't write her own songs! Even if we removed all of her co-written songs from her catalogue, her solo credited songs are legit on their own.

https://y.yarn.co/7b2c3a9f-7bb5-4782-8fe1-f6d30886ddc3_text.gif

Yes, it's a crazy conspiracy theory comparable to conspiratorial doctors, machines, and illuminati to point out that you can add whatever you want for a credit, her dad bought her start, her lyrics are overly simplistic, and she needed help editing her work so her message was said differently.

Yeah, I'm the crazy one, man! Get the tin foil on your scalp, brother!

[aberdien]

So weird, kinda baffling that King is so willing to die on this stupid conspiratorial hill in an attempt to discredit one of the best women music artists in history. Weird!

[Hawgdriver]

I am dominating this thread with proper skepticism and common sense.

I'm not so sure.

I think she's the real deal. Just a gut feel. Like when you play poker and you get a gut feel.

I'll let you know when I'm wrong.

[King87]

Well let's put Drake back up on the pedestal he deserves!

That's interesting though, the idea of Bayesian inference about overall talent by her facility with singing and guitar playing. I'll run down that rabbit hole a bit.

And that's a ******* great dad right there! No wonder she's lighting the world on fire!

The best career money can buy! Just dump a ton of money in your career, make basic bubblegum pop/country music, be really pretty, and churn out earworms!


FWIW, I rock with the fact she re-recorded her music. Keep your IP on the up-and-up. If Abe was a real fan he'd listen to that and stop giving a guy who Taylor felt like was a predator in the industry money.

[King87]

So weird, kinda baffling that King is so willing to die on this stupid conspiratorial hill in an attempt to discredit one of the best women music artists in history. Weird!

Just because you like skinny girls with no tits doesn't mean I'm a conspiracy theorist. But hey, if you can't beat an actual argument, just cling to that. :lol:

[Hawgdriver]

The best career money can buy! Just dump a ton of money in your career, make basic bubblegum pop/country music, be really pretty, and churn out earworms!


FWIW, I rock with the fact she re-recorded her music. Keep your IP on the up-and-up. If Abe was a real fan he'd listen to that and stop giving a guy who Taylor felt like was a predator in the industry money.

$300k as seed capital from a dad is not what you are claiming it is. That's the price of an advanced degree. If anything, this particular fact makes me believe even more in her viability within the medium and industry. He was a freaking stockbroker bro.

He was a hustler.

Not some wrinkled ass old-money schlub.

[King87]

I'm not so sure.

I think she's the real deal. Just a gut feel. Like when you play poker and you get a gut feel.

I'll let you know when I'm wrong.

It's mostly just because I think Abe is overstating his case, and I hate him now. But it's great to meet you, man. The board is a little slow these days, but it's still a solid place. Plus, now that your team has a really good starting QB, you won't be in for the QB drama/threads that often get mean and nasty on here. You came in at a good time.

[Hawgdriver]

Actually I'm making that up. I don't know if her dad was self-made.

[Hawgdriver]

It's mostly just because I think Abe is overstating his case, and I hate him now. But it's great to meet you, man. The board is a little slow these days, but it's still a solid place. Plus, now that your team has a really good starting QB, you won't be in for the QB drama/threads that often get mean and nasty on here. You came in at a good time.

+1

thanks for the love, man

You said "your team". You got a team?

[King87]

$300k as seed capital from a dad is not what you are claiming it is. That's the price of an advanced degree. If anything, this particular fact makes me believe even more in her viability within the medium and industry. He was a freaking stockbroker bro.

Except when you go get those degrees, you often take out loans. Here, the reverse is what happened. Moreover, it's also the price some advanced degrees, and this occurred 18 years ago. Yes, he is a stockbroker; so maybe he saw her real talent, or maybe he was a star-eyed dad who got lucky, maybe it's somewhere in the middle, or maybe he just had the money to burn. But I'm sure many artists have parents with that type of money to burn! Not atypical at all.

[King87]

+1

thanks for the love, man

You said "your team". You got a team?

I'm a ghost, man. Just someone banging out words on a message board to kill time that I never even wanted in the first place.

[aberdien]

Let's just assume King is right with this silly conspiracy theory that Taylor Swift is a dumb bimbo who can't write a song to save her life and instead steals words from other people and takes credit for it.

Led Zeppelin basically stole their songs from their influences, and yet they are still among the greatest bands in history. The Beatles got big by stealing old rhythm and blues songs from others. Same for the Stones.

Elvis stole his music, Bob Dylan did some of that too, MLK plagiarized his college thesis or w/e.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em7HEi_WMAANFB0.jpg

[Hawgdriver]

I'm a ghost, man. Just someone banging out words on a message board to kill time that I never even wanted in the first place.

Bro.

I just converted to the church of Taylor.

But your barbecues were so fun. I'll never forget. xoxo

[aberdien]

The best career money can buy! Just dump a ton of money in your career, make basic bubblegum pop/country music, be really pretty, and churn out earworms!


FWIW, I rock with the fact she re-recorded her music. Keep your IP on the up-and-up. If Abe was a real fan he'd listen to that and stop giving a guy who Taylor felt like was a predator in the industry money.

Unfortunately, some of her Taylor's Version recordings kinda blow in comparison to the original. Plus I'm an OG fan so it's hard for me to hear an old woman sing the lyrics to Fifteen.

I respect her for sticking it to the Scoot, but also she's not running out of any money anytime soon...and I have her OG recordings on CD so I won't let the Swifties shame me into shunning the original versions!

[aberdien]

Just because you like skinny girls with no tits doesn't mean I'm a conspiracy theorist. But hey, if you can't beat an actual argument, just cling to that. :lol:

I'm actually not that physically attracted to her to be honest, plus she's too tall for me anyway.

While using youtube to compile my T-Swift list I got an ad that wanted me to take a quiz to see if I'm gay :(

[King87]

Let's just assume King is right with this silly conspiracy theory that Taylor Swift is a dumb bimbo who can't write a song to save her life and instead steals words from other people and takes credit for it.

Led Zeppelin basically stole their songs from their influences, and yet they are still among the greatest bands in history. The Beatles got big by stealing old rhythm and blues songs from others. Same for the Stones.

Elvis stole his music, Bob Dylan did some of that too, MLK plagiarized his college thesis or w/e.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em7HEi_WMAANFB0.jpg

I didn't say she was dumb or a bimbo. I would imagine anyone who knew their value of their music and re-recorded it is pretty smart. Prince made it a point to own his IP. I would also argue that TS does a good job navigating the sexism that has been hurled at her. And it has been. Which is why I take umbrage with your implications as they are unfair. I merely point out that she falls into your type of woman that you adore (you're such an egomaniac you want someone like you: skinny and flat-chested), and you also have a history of being a dumb fanboy. Which, in my defense, is true. I don't think she's stealing when she co-writes as that's asinine. I do also think it's just as asinine to gloss over the co-writing thing, or pretend that nothing stops people from claiming what they want on credits when they're in TS's cash cow position.

You laid out a bunch of reasons why those artists have diminished themselves. MLK Jr. should have felt shame for cheating; but he atoned for that sin numerous times over. If anything, I think your post serves as a wonderful argument for me to make, unless you're going with the "well if you're super successful it doesn't matter," argument, which is fine...but probably not the strongest.

[King87]

I'm actually not that physically attracted to her to be honest, plus she's too tall for me anyway.

While using youtube to compile my T-Swift list I got an ad that wanted me to take a quiz to see if I'm gay :(

As a bisexual man, I can tell you that you're not smart, cool, or sophisticated enough to be LGTBQ. No worries.

[King87]

Unfortunately, some of her Taylor's Version recordings kinda blow in comparison to the original. Plus I'm an OG fan so it's hard for me to hear an old woman sing the lyrics to Fifteen.

I respect her for sticking it to the Scoot, but also she's not running out of any money anytime soon...and I have her OG recordings on CD so I won't let the Swifties shame me into shunning the original versions!

Just don't stream it!

[King87]

Bro.

I just converted to the church of Taylor.

But your barbecues were so fun. I'll never forget. xoxo

That ether, that shit to make your soul burn slow.

[Northman]

Well this thread went to shit fast......

[King87]

Well this thread went to shit fast......

They made me do it.

[Northman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppfYwzz7nyY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_j7CZxgtEI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLKjpobj4vg

[Northman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px9-ojlKqr8

[Northman]

More my speed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHgY367b_ng


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L-ATAmksEE

[Hawgdriver]

lmao.

North comes in with Napalm Death Vermiculite to put out the chemical fire raging in aisle 5.

[aberdien]

It's too bad this band only put out 1 good album.

aoJ827-w700

[Canmore]

I'm actually not that physically attracted to her to be honest, plus she's too tall for me anyway.

While using youtube to compile my T-Swift list I got an ad that wanted me to take a quiz to see if I'm gay :(

And?