Jason Kidd: Mavs not viewed as champs

[Denver Native (Carol)]

OKLAHOMA CITY -- Following Monday's loss to the Oklahoma City Thunder, Dallas Mavericks point guard Jason Kidd said the defending champions haven't received the benefit of the doubt from the officiating all season because they are not looked upon as champions.

Case in point: Mavs coach Rick Carlisle couldn't believe the foul called on center Ian Mahinmi as he attempted to block Thunder forward Serge Ibaka's shot with 46.2 seconds to go, providing the winning free throws in the high-intensity matchup.

Also, Dallas led 91-87 with 2:24 left, but lost 95-91 while shooting 23 fewer free throws than the Thunder. Five of Oklahoma City's final eight points came at the free-throw line and it outscored Dallas 14-2 from the line in the fourth quarter.

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I am so glad that Kidd has cleared up my confusion in regards to how a game should be officiated. All of this time, I thought that fouls should be called, based on what the NBA considers a foul. But NOW, it appears that that is not true, and fouls should be called, or should not be called, based solely on if the refs have RESPECT for certain teams, and no RESPECT for other teams.

[Canmore]

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I am so glad that Kidd has cleared up my confusion in regards to how a game should be officiated. All of this time, I thought that fouls should be called, based on what the NBA considers a foul. But NOW, it appears that that is not true, and fouls should be called, or should not be called, based solely on if the refs have RESPECT for certain teams, and no RESPECT for other teams.

Waaaa!

[CoachChaz]

It's actually a legit complaint...just not worded properly. I typically dont complain about officiating too much, but I could lay out several examples. Watch the 2006 finals with Dallas up 2 games to 0 and working on closing out game 3. Wade ended up setting a record for free throw attempts in that series. Watch the film and tell me how many were fouls.

Some group that watches professional officiating did it and found that 38% of the fouls called were legit fouls. I understand refs are human and get it wrong...but 62% of the time.

The OKC game was a bad one as well. He does have a legit complaint about last nights game. it was pretty sad to watch. If you breathed on Durant or anyone for that matter...a whistle blew.

Maybe Cuban's complaining has something to do with a bias. Who knows. But what will happen is Kidd will get fined and the rest will be swept under the rug and a league that is already tough to watch will continue to operate poorly.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

It's actually a legit complaint...just not worded properly. I typically dont complain about officiating too much, but I could lay out several examples. Watch the 2006 finals with Dallas up 2 games to 0 and working on closing out game 3. Wade ended up setting a record for free throw attempts in that series. Watch the film and tell me how many were fouls.

Some group that watches professional officiating did it and found that 38% of the fouls called were legit fouls. I understand refs are human and get it wrong...but 62% of the time.

The OKC game was a bad one as well. He does have a legit complaint about last nights game. it was pretty sad to watch. If you breathed on Durant or anyone for that matter...a whistle blew.

Maybe Cuban's complaining has something to do with a bias. Who knows. But what will happen is Kidd will get fined and the rest will be swept under the rug and a league that is already tough to watch will continue to operate poorly.

You want examples of bad officiating - watch any of the Nuggets' games, past and present - last night's game being a perfect example.

[CoachChaz]

You want examples of bad officiating - watch any of the Nuggets' games, past and present - last night's game being a perfect example.

It happens to most teams...I agree. All I can speak for on a regular basis is Dallas. But it's at a point where we as fans expect it. I guess the players are finally getting sick of it. Especially when it's as blatant as last night.

I'm not going to say OKC is the up and coming young team and the NBA wants them to succeed...but it gets harder to look away from ideas like that as situations like this become more and more prevalent

[Denver Native (Carol)]

It happens to most teams...I agree. All I can speak for on a regular basis is Dallas. But it's at a point where we as fans expect it. I guess the players are finally getting sick of it. Especially when it's as blatant as last night.

I'm not going to say OKC is the up and coming young team and the NBA wants them to succeed...but it gets harder to look away from ideas like that as situations like this become more and more prevalent

I totally agree with this. Bad calls - non calls, should be based solely on "bad officiating" - NOT based on whether a team is respected or not. Many teams could be considered up and coming, if the officiating was fair for all teams. How many times have games been taken away from a team because they were on the "not respected" side of the court?

[Northman]

The Mavericks are the biggest crybabies in the NBA. Its easy to hate those dolts.

[CoachChaz]

The Mavericks are the biggest crybabies in the NBA. Its easy to hate those dolts.

Correction...Cuban can be a cry baby. If he hadnt set the precedent, would people really scoff the complaints of a future Hall of Fame point guard?

What if it was Ray Allen making these complaints?

[DallasChief]

The Mavericks are the biggest crybabies in the NBA. Its easy to hate those dolts.

I guess you've never watched the Spurs play.

[Northman]

Correction...Cuban can be a cry baby. If he hadnt set the precedent, would people really scoff the complaints of a future Hall of Fame point guard?

What if it was Ray Allen making these complaints?

Your correct. It is more Cuban that Kidd. However, i kind of attribute it too when a player arrives in Oakland to play for the faid. They can be a cool guy only too turn into utter shit because of the enviroment they play in. In this case, if Allen played for the Mavs i would still be saying the same thing. It starts from their owner (much like Davis) and just trickles down to the players.

[Canmore]

I guess you've never watched the Spurs play.

Ginobili!!!

[Northman]

I guess you've never watched the Spurs play.

Oh, i have. But they aint nothing like the Mavs. Those guys need some diapers.

[CoachChaz]

Your correct. It is more Cuban that Kidd. However, i kind of attribute it too when a player arrives in Oakland to play for the faid. They can be a cool guy only too turn into utter shit because of the enviroment they play in. In this case, if Allen played for the Mavs i would still be saying the same thing. It starts from their owner (much like Davis) and just trickles down to the players.

True...but that comes down to understanding Cuban. His problem is that he is just so passionate and competitive that he lets it get the best of him. Most of the time, he has a valid complaint, but people just get tired of hearing the same person do all the talking and they eventually blow him off.

If a few other owners were as involved as he is...things might change.

[CoachChaz]

Oh, i have. But they aint nothing like the Mavs. Those guys need some diapers.

What? Tim Duncan has never committed a foul in his life. Just ask him...he'll tell you that. Ginobili has perected the flop. It's insane how incredibly bitchy that team is.

Cuban makes complaints and a Kidd says something and suddenty the Mavs are worse than SA? Wow

[DallasChief]

Oh, i have. But they aint nothing like the Mavs. Those guys need some diapers.

You have got to be kidding me. Tim Duncan has never committed a foul in his mind.

I don't deny Cuban is a whiny bitch about the refs. It cost him a couple of million dollars in fines a NBA Championship in '06. However, he is not the same owner he once was. Much more laid back. He has lost his everyone is out to get the Mavs mentality. Maybe he's maturing.

[Northman]

True...but that comes down to understanding Cuban. His problem is that he is just so passionate and competitive that he lets it get the best of him. Most of the time, he has a valid complaint, but people just get tired of hearing the same person do all the talking and they eventually blow him off.

If a few other owners were as involved as he is...things might change.

Personally for me, the NBA is done. I havent really liked it since Jordan was last there. So whether or not more owners get involved or not really means nothing for me as a viewer. But, i think even if some stuff was changed it wouldnt stop Cuban from acting like a total jackass. Its in his nature, he's cocky and arrogant and thinks everything is owed to him. Even if some things changed that were legitimate he would find something else to cry about that wasnt.

[CoachChaz]

Personally for me, the NBA is done. I havent really liked it since Jordan was last there. So whether or not more owners get involved or not really means nothing for me as a viewer. But, i think even if some stuff was changed it wouldnt stop Cuban from acting like a total jackass. Its in his nature, he's cocky and arrogant and thinks everything is owed to him. Even if some things changed that were legitimate he would find something else to cry about that wasnt.

I'm glad I have a chance to get to see and hear more from Cuban than most others do. It allows me to avoid the apparent misconceptions that follow him.

[Northman]

What? Tim Duncan has never committed a foul in his life. Just ask him...he'll tell you that. Ginobili has perected the flop. It's insane how incredibly bitchy that team is.

Are you sure Tim wasnt just being a goof? Im sure he is aware he has committed fouls. Never the less, maybe ive missed something (which is possible) the last few years but when Duncan first came in the league i never saw a lot of crying from the Spurs.


Cuban makes complaints and a Kidd says something and suddenty the Mavs are worse than SA? Wow

Like i said above, maybe its changed the last couple of years but dude the Mavs have been whiners for a very long time.



I don't deny Cuban is a whiny bitch about the refs. It cost him a couple of million dollars in fines a NBA Championship in '06. However, he is not the same owner he once was. Much more laid back. He has lost his everyone is out to get the Mavs mentality. Maybe he's maturing.

For his sake i hope so.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

You have got to be kidding me. Tim Duncan has never committed a foul in his mind.

I don't deny Cuban is a whiny bitch about the refs. It cost him a couple of million dollars in fines a NBA Championship in '06. However, he is not the same owner he once was. Much more laid back. He has lost his everyone is out to get the Mavs mentality. Maybe he's maturing.

I totally agree - the Spurs are one of the worst. You know, I don't blame Cuban for "whining" about the refs. However, instead of the NBA fining Cuban, why don't they check into the legitimate reason that others, besides Cuban, are not happy with the way games are being officiated - why don't they enforce what they said they would a few years ago - in regards to "flopping". Yes, every now and then, a player does not get rewarded for flopping - but that needs to be 100% of the time, not every now and then, and every now and then, depending on which team the "flopper" is playing for. I am so waiting for the time when a flopper injures himself, while ridiculously falling down, when there was no contact.

[NightTrainLayne]

I remember a series last season. .. . Oh yeah, it was the Thunder vs. the Mavericks. Nowitski got a foul call virtually every time down the court.

I wish the NBA would fix this. There were some bad calls last night, but they happen everywhere, and the Mavericks and Nowitski have been the beneficiary of calls like that their fair share as well.

[CoachChaz]

I remember a series last season. .. . Oh yeah, it was the Thunder vs. the Mavericks. Nowitski got a foul call virtually every time down the court.

I wish the NBA would fix this. There were some bad calls last night, but they happen everywhere, and the Mavericks and Nowitski have been the beneficiary of calls like that their fair share as well.

I guess that's how perception changes based on the team you root for. I can recall watching some games in that series and wondering how many calls Westbrook and Durant were going to get that never happened.

In the end, the Mavs attempted 153 free throws and the Thunder attempted 155. Dirk attempted 61...Durant, 49...Westbrook, 53

[NightTrainLayne]

I guess that's how perception changes based on the team you root for. I can recall watching some games in that series and wondering how many calls Westbrook and Durant were going to get that never happened.

In the end, the Mavs attempted 153 free throws and the Thunder attempted 155. Dirk attempted 61...Durant, 49...Westbrook, 53

I'm not trying to argue with you, but yes. . .your perception differs from mine.

And the numbers bear it out. Dirk had 25% more FT attempts than Durant in the entire series last season.

Last night it went the other direction, and so the Mavericks are complaining. It seems from Kidd's comments that they feel they deserve the benefit of the doubt due to being Champions. That's what's really an interesting notion

I wish the NBA had better officiating.

[CoachChaz]

I'm not trying to argue with you, but yes. . .your perception differs from mine.

And the numbers bear it out. Dirk had 25% more FT attempts than Durant in the entire series last season.

Last night it went the other direction, and so the Mavericks are complaining. It seems from Kidd's comments that they feel they deserve the benefit of the doubt due to being Champions. That's what's really an interesting notion

I wish the NBA had better officiating.

I can see where it's percieved that way. But I think it comes down more to equality. Referees are whistle happy in the NBA in general and for there to be that much of a difference and to have the game decided by the referees...it was a mess. If weak fouls are going to be called, then call them both ways. Or...just dont call them at all.

[Poet]

Try being a Celtics fan. We get punished for playing defense but the Bulls don't

It's more perception. .