Deleting threads

[frauschieze]

When I came over to this board, it astounded me that posters had the ability to delete threads that they started. I still don't understand why that is a necessary thing, or when it would truly be a useful.

From a contributing poster point of view, it is frustrating to me to make a comment that has much merit (okay, in my case, making a really funny joke) only to see the thread disappear because of a whim of the thread starter. Unless no one ever responded to the thread, there is conversation in there. I don't like the idea that a member can, in effect, censor the board if they don't like the way a thread is going.

I also am not really a fan of taking "power" away from individual posters either. So I'm not necessarily asking that that ability go away, but I would like to discuss it. Maybe someone can explain to me when it is appropriate to use, or give some examples so I can understand.

[topscribe]

We did discuss that in the beginning, whether a thread-starter would have
the power to delete his/her own thread. We decided to let it be, but we also
agreed that the thread-starter should not have the final authority on whether
to delete it. If it has gone on for a while and a lot of posts have been made,
the ownership of the thread, in effect, transfers to the general membership.

As a mod, I did once reverse the thread-starter's action when he deleted a
thread, for that very reason. That was the only time I did that.

Actually, the deletion of a thread is not all that frequent, so I never considered
it a terribly big deal, and neither did the other mods, most likely, since it wasn't
discussed at all, that I know of, after the original discussion.

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[Northman]

I brought this up once as well but when i realized it wasnt a big deal and it didnt happen often so i think its ok the way it is.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

If a poster starts a thread and it goes crazy; that poster should have the right to delete it. Numerous occasions I've had to do it because people couldn't stay on topic. Instead of the pooping and pissing continuing, I took action. Moderators should only be able to bring back threads like that if they ask the thread starter first or clear it up. JMHO.

[DallasChief]

Cheese wants all the power to herself.

[claymore]

It came in handy for my Nagger thread and the all about ree-tards threads.

[Tned]

I frst brought up this issue on Mania, pointing out my dislike for a thread starter being able to delete thread that could have tens, hundreds or even thousands of posts. I didn't get a lot of support on it there.

When we started Broncosforums.com, the default behavior is to allow the poster to delete his/her post which started the thread, which also deletes the thread.

A month or so after we started up, we had thad discussion among the advisory board (the group that defined all the early rules, voted on the mods, etc.) and the consensus was that a poster should be able to delete their own thread, but if there was a complaint or a mod noticed a large thread that was deleted and had moved more into that 'community property' realm, then they could/should undelete it.

You have several situations. Let's take a long running thread like the Drunk thread or something. One day the original poster (can't remember who it is and don't have time to look), gets pissed at BF and deletes his post/thread, and now thousands of posts go poof.

Or, take a political thread. Someone starts a thread about the president (former, current, future, it doesn't matter for the hypothetical), maybe posting very positive things about what a great job someone is doing for the country, but the number of counterpoints from people pointing out what harm he is doing outweighs what little good. The original thread starter doesn't like it, because he meant it to be a "positive only" thread. S/he might not have even posted in it in days or weeks, and dozens (or more) people have been having an active discussion since. Then, s/he comes back, and deletes it and hundreds of posts are gone.

I have never thought either of those above scenarios justify a single poster being able to delete an entire thread where dozens (or more) people have posted and conversed.

IMO, posters shouldn't have the right to delete posts. If they feel a thread has gone in a direction they didn't intend (but it isn't simply a bunch flaiming/attacking, rules violations), then they should either stop posting in the thread, or even edit their original post that started the thread and change it to "my post removed because this thread has gone in a direction that I didn't intend when I created it".

In the case of the rules violations, then report them, and if it is bad enough (beyond cleanup) then the thread can be deleted by a mod.

Anyway, as I have said, I have never been a fan of posters deleting threads on whims or because they weren't able to control the flow of discussion, so if we get enough support from others, we can always change it.

Having said all of that (if you made it this far :D), the reality is that there aren't a great many deleted posts and most of them are mistakes or dupe threads that someone deletes almost immediately, as compared to threads with tens or hundreds of replies.

[Rick]

I don't think a member should have the ability to delete any thread if they are not a mod. Thiers or otherwise.

They should have some ownership on it though.

If they have set it out for a purpose and it is getting way off topic and they report it to a mod to have a mod clean it up then the mods should clean it up, whether they want to or not.

If it is just that the posts are on topic but are giving back feedback that the thread maker doesnt agree with as it is a different point of view then the thread maker should just suck it up and if reported a mod should do nothing about it.

But again, members should not beable to delete on threads...unless theirs is the only post.

[dogfish]

i absolutely think you should be able to delete threads you started. . . .

[frauschieze]

i absolutely think you should be able to delete threads you started. . . .

Why Dog? I still don't understand why.

[OB]

Why Dog? I still don't understand why.

Alcohol is a good reason :D

[underrated29]

I think you should be able to delete them anyways. It rarely happenes. However, I one time was told by my ex that champ bailey died or something. I normally would discard it, but she has some serious connections to some big companies etc. etc. Long story short, i made a thread to see if anyone else had anything on it.. Kinda like the scheff to buffalo for mccargo- No one did and it was a stupid thread so i took her down.

The scheff to buffalo thread, even though it was also not true, has lots of good discussion and is not ridiculous like the other one i made. I think i have only deleted 3-4 threads total in all my time....

I like it and find it useful when rarely needed.

[OB]

Hindsight is 20/20 :)

[dogfish]

Why Dog? I still don't understand why.


damn it, cheese! :laugh:



how did i know you were gonna ask me that?

i don't know. . . i don't have any big, long-winded explanation. . . it's just what i think. . . your creation, your right to delete it. . . . there have been several times over the years where i've spent a considerable amount of time writing an opening post for a thread, and knuckleheads have turned it into shit either by posting a bunch of lame jokes, or by getting into an off-topic pissing match/flame war. . . in that circumstance, i feel like i should reserve the right to delete it rather than having to hope the mods will do so. . .

[BroncoJoe]

This is like a pro-life / pro-choice discussion.

[frauschieze]

damn it, cheese! :laugh:



how did i know you were gonna ask me that?

i don't know. . . i don't have any big, long-winded explanation. . . it's just what i think. . . your creation, your right to delete it. . . . there have been several times over the years where i've spent a considerable amount of time writing an opening post for a thread, and knuckleheads have turned it into shit either by posting a bunch of lame jokes, or by getting into an off-topic pissing match/flame war. . . in that circumstance, i feel like i should reserve the right to delete it rather than having to hope the mods will do so. . .

Why hope when you can just ask them to? Or ask them to actually mod the thread to a higher standard?

I guess I really fall on the side of rarely, if ever, deleting threads. Even as a mod, I don't want to delete threads because I feel they are common property of the board. If someone is breaking the rules, or the thread itself violates the rules, that's one thing. But a bad trade rumor that has two pages of responses already in a few minutes? That should never be deleted. It's the offseason. It's FULL of bad trade rumors. Who cares? If it's really a problem, the thread can be locked with an explanation. That way there's complete transparency.

[DallasChief]

Another power play.

[frauschieze]

Another power play.

Oooo....did get the 4x multiplier?

[OB]

Why hope when you can just ask them to? Or ask them to actually mod the thread to a higher standard?

I guess I really fall on the side of rarely, if ever, deleting threads. Even as a mod, I don't want to delete threads because I feel they are common property of the board. If someone is breaking the rules, or the thread itself violates the rules, that's one thing. But a bad trade rumor that has two pages of responses already in a few minutes? That should never be deleted. It's the offseason. It's FULL of bad trade rumors. Who cares? If it's really a problem, the thread can be locked with an explanation. That way there's complete transparency.

Well I understand where you are coming from but the way mods get bashed for "censorship" as it is - I think it would be a welcome opportunity for the mods - for example - recently a thread was deleted by the poster themselves (which started this thread i believe) and everyone went off on a mod bashing tangent before someone came in and told them that it was the poster who deleted the thread - and not one person apologized for bashing the mods

There is already enough drama with posters crying over censorship or being treated differently - at least this gives the power to the people and the people cant bitch about it - cause if your thread was getting derailed and you (as the thread starter) complained to the mods and certain posts were deleted everyone would be in an uproar about them being singled out and why was their posts deleted and so-n-so's post wasnt - blah blah

IMO its just more harmonious for the boards if the poster can delete the whole dang thing - if they feel like it they can restart the thread and try again

In the end is there any thread here that would be total devastation should it be deleted?

[topscribe]

i absolutely think you should be able to delete threads you started. . . .

I agree, provided it is with the understanding that the mods may bring it back
if they deem it appropriate to do so, and that, once the mods have done that,
the thread-starter no longer has the right to delete it.

That is the way it has been up until now, and I see no reason to change it.

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[DallasChief]

Oooo....did get the 4x multiplier?

Frau - if you think the membership is too dumb to decide what threads should be deleted and what shouldn't be, just say so.

I think mods should approve all posts before they're visible.







:D

[getlynched47]

I deleted a thread yesterday because I found out that it had false information. I didnt want that source misleading anybody else.

[claymore]

Frau - if you think the membership is too dumb to decide what threads should be deleted and what shouldn't be, just say so.

I think mods should approve all posts before they're visible.







:D

**** troll.

[NightTrainLayne]

I'd like to throw something out there. A while back one of the town-hall threads got completely side-tracked by off-topic joking.

Since it was a town-hall thread, and discussing a serious topic I moved the off-topic comments to a new thread in the lounge.

If you create a thread, and feel that it is being totally hi-jacked to the point that you want to delete it, there is the possibility that (if the mods agree it is warranted) the off-topic posts could be moved to a different thread/new thread.

I'm sure that we'd like to be bothered with that as little as possible, i.e. not just one or two off-topic posts, but rather a thread that the creator feels has been completely de-railed. Of course, the mods would have to discuss it as well before acting, but if you find yourself in that predicament, it would be another option besides deleting the entire thread, and would allow for all posts to still be displayed, but in their respective areas.

I hope I'm not opening a can of worms. Obviously, if someone intentionally tries to derail threads and post off-topic, that is something that is dealt with in the COC and could cause action to be taken against that poster.

[DallasChief]

**** troll.

Claymore, this is a serious discussion. If you want to talk smack to me, please take it to the lounge.

tia

[NightTrainLayne]

Claymore, this is a serious discussion. If you want to talk smack to me, please take it to the lounge.

tia

Guys, this is a town-hall thread. We are always more vigilant in keeping things on-topic in the town-hall.

:focus:

[frauschieze]

I deleted a thread yesterday because I found out that it had false information. I didnt want that source misleading anybody else.

I guess I would have handled it differently. Maybe edited my first post saying it was false information and ask a mod to lock it with an explanation.

If you noticed, just because you deleted the thread, it didn't go away. Someone else started a thread wondering what happened and that same subject was still discussed.

[DallasChief]

Guys, this is a town-hall thread. We are always more vigilant in keeping things on-topic in the town-hall.

:focus:

:confused:

I thought that's what I was doing. I guess nothing is official until a mod does it.

Frau, please delete my account.

tia

[Requiem / The Dagda]

I can't think of a good argument against people not being able to delete their own threads. Honestly. The threads that are being deleted aren't the long-strung out ones like the "I'm bored, drunk. . ." that people enjoy being in -- the ones that get deleted -- or what I've seen through my experience are the ones that initially had good discussion, but tabled off into a bunch of nonsense and became ridiculous in nature.

I've deleted multiple threads because that has been the case. Coupled with that, I had reported posts that never got deleted and nothing ever seemed to get back on track. Thus, I took the Law into my own hands and did what I thought was in the best interest of everyone and deleted it. Therefore, the pissing and moaning stopped -- and the shitty nature of the thread(s) that had good intentions get deleted.

Couldn't care less if things like that ended up in Message Board purgatory.

If a poster starts a thread and doesn't like how it is going because people mess around in it; by all means -- they should have the right to delete it.

The whole, "Well, it becomes the property of the entire board once you post it." sounds awfully Socialist to me. I don't like that.

[claymore]

:confused:

I thought that's what I was doing. I guess nothing is official until a mod does it.

Frau, please delete my account.

tia

Seriously.

And Deleting threads should be a members right.

[frauschieze]

:confused:

I thought that's what I was doing. I guess nothing is official until a mod does it.

Frau, please delete my account.

tia

I am not that powerful. But PM me and I can have it taken care of.

[getlynched47]

I didnt know that there were so many complainers about self-deleting threads :eek:

[frauschieze]

The whole, "Well, it becomes the property of the entire board once you post it." sounds awfully Socialist to me. I don't like that.

That's standard for any message board though. :confused:

[Rex]

**** troll.

Hey almost Midget.....

Dont talk to Dee Cee like that. I swear, I will come down there and light your 5th wheel/home on fire.

[KCL]

If a poster starts a thread and it goes crazy; that poster should have the right to delete it. Numerous occasions I've had to do it because people couldn't stay on topic. Instead of the pooping and pissing continuing, I took action. Moderators should only be able to bring back threads like that if they ask the thread starter first or clear it up. JMHO.

I actually agree with you on this.

[KCL]

damn it, cheese! :laugh:



how did i know you were gonna ask me that?

i don't know. . . i don't have any big, long-winded explanation. . . it's just what i think. . . your creation, your right to delete it. . . . there have been several times over the years where i've spent a considerable amount of time writing an opening post for a thread, and knuckleheads have turned it into shit either by posting a bunch of lame jokes, or by getting into an off-topic pissing match/flame war. . . in that circumstance, i feel like i should reserve the right to delete it rather than having to hope the mods will do so. . .

My thoughts exactly dog.

[claymore]

Hey almost Midget.....

Dont talk to Dee Cee like that. I swear, I will come down there and light your 5th wheel/home on fire.

Dont threaten me Almost gay...


And Deleting posts should be a members right.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

That's standard for any message board though. :confused:

Eh, I guess. I'm just saying if I start a thread and it begins to suck because people ruin it, I should have the right to get rid of it -- especially in the cases where the moderators certainly aren't helping the thread -- or in past cases (which there have been numerous) actually making the thread worse by contributing to the naughty nature.

[Rex]

Dont threaten me Almost gay...


And Deleting posts should be a members right.

you should be deleted

[claymore]

you should be deleted

Lets not fight.

[Rex]

Lets not fight.

Apologize to DallasChief.

[OB]

It scares me but i agree with sissyho on this

But its basically a non issue since everyone seems to be happy with the current standard - yes?

[claymore]

Apologize to DallasChief.

Name the time and Place.

[DallasChief]

Name the time and Place.

Imperial Palace, Friday night.

tia

[topscribe]

I guess I would have handled it differently. Maybe edited my first post saying it was false information and ask a mod to lock it with an explanation.

If you noticed, just because you deleted the thread, it didn't go away. Someone else started a thread wondering what happened and that same subject was still discussed.

I think that's the first time I had seen that happen on this board, where
another thread is started about the previous thread. It was inappropriate to
start such a thread about what one perceived a mod's action in that
particular forum. A PM to a mod would probably have gotten the information
that person was looking for.

I do believe Getlynched followed the proper course of action, though, on a
thread based on erroneous sources. It would be hard to "clean" up such a
thread, and his intent was for the good of the board.

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[Buff]

I delete posts almost daily... I say stupid shit all the time, and only realize it after I've had time to reflect on it. If the previous post no longer reflects my current position, I ought to have the right to delete it.

I think the mods should reserve the right to reinstate major threads that get deleted, but I like having the ability to rescind the stupid shit that I pollute the interwebs with.

[tubby]

I delete posts almost daily... I say stupid shit all the time, and only realize it after I've had time to reflect on it. If the previous post no longer reflects my current position, I ought to have the right to delete it.

I think the mods should reserve the right to reinstate major threads that get deleted, but I like having the ability to rescind the stupid shit that I pollute the interwebs with.

Have you deleted Cutler love posts recently? If so I bet you've been busy.

[Hobe]

I thought of it as sort of cyber “Morning after pill” or perhaps a mulligan. You know, you wake up in the morning with your head three sizes to large. Your mouth feels like a family of mice were just evicted, and you have the impression of part of a keyboard embossed in the side of your face. You look at the screen and see what you where posting last night, utter a gasp, and DELETE…DELETE…DELETE!

I’ve often wondered is anyone explained this function to Clay. ;)

[Buff]

Have you deleted Cutler love posts recently? If so I bet you've been busy.

You obviously haven't been trolling my posts. I'd probably fight Bus Cook if I ran into him on the street. I'm about ready to use the emo avaturd.

[tubby]

You obviously haven't been trolling my posts. I'd probably fight Bus Cook if I ran into him on the street. I'm about ready to use the emo avaturd.

I was talking about your old posts. Like from a couple months ago.

I'm with you on Bus. Eff that guy.

Cheese please delete Bus Cooks relationship with Cutler. tia

[gnomeflinger]

I've deleted a couple of threads that were of no real substance to me or anyone else. I agree with the "morning after pill" thought. Yet, if the thread posted in a drunken stupor contains something of merit, a mod should be able to recall it.

[DallasChief]

I've deleted a couple of threads that were of no real substance to me or anyone else. I agree with the "morning after pill" thought. Yet, if the thread posted in a drunken stupor contains something of merit, a mod should be able to recall it.

Wouldn't that be all of your threads?
:D

[gnomeflinger]

Wouldn't that be all of your threads?
:D

I love you too, DC :D

[frauschieze]

I delete posts almost daily... I say stupid shit all the time, and only realize it after I've had time to reflect on it. If the previous post no longer reflects my current position, I ought to have the right to delete it.

I think the mods should reserve the right to reinstate major threads that get deleted, but I like having the ability to rescind the stupid shit that I pollute the interwebs with.

Oh I delete my own posts all the time. But I don't delete other people's posts unless they are against the rules. I guess I don't understand why every member should have the right to delete anyone else's posts because they feel like it. :shrugs:

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Uh, cause if the people's posts suck and ruined the thread that had good intentions to begin with. . . they ought to have a right to bury it.

[DallasChief]

Uh, cause if the people's posts suck and ruined the thread that had good intentions to begin with. . . they ought to have a right to bury it.

This isn't about good threads and bad threads. It's about power and Frau doesn't want anyone else to have any.

[NightTrainLayne]

This isn't about good threads and bad threads. It's about power and Frau doesn't want anyone else to have any.

You know us all so well. We should ban you before you start an insurrection.

[frauschieze]

This isn't about good threads and bad threads. It's about power and Frau doesn't want anyone else to have any.

Shhhhh.....I thought the bribe I gave you was enough to last the end of the offseason. Please contact me for renegotiations if necessary.

[DallasChief]

Shhhhh.....I thought the bribe I gave you was enough to last the end of the offseason. Please contact me for renegotiations if necessary.

I just thought with all the money you must have gotten for selling out, the bribe might be a little more.

[sneakers]

When I came over to this board, it astounded me that posters had the ability to delete threads that they started. I still don't understand why that is a necessary thing, or when it would truly be a useful.

From a contributing poster point of view, it is frustrating to me to make a comment that has much merit (okay, in my case, making a really funny joke) only to see the thread disappear because of a whim of the thread starter. Unless no one ever responded to the thread, there is conversation in there. I don't like the idea that a member can, in effect, censor the board if they don't like the way a thread is going.

I also am not really a fan of taking "power" away from individual posters either. So I'm not necessarily asking that that ability go away, but I would like to discuss it. Maybe someone can explain to me when it is appropriate to use, or give some examples so I can understand.

Good this way no once can delete the Bikini Thread.

[rcsodak]

I delete posts almost daily... I say stupid shit all the time, and only realize it after I've had time to reflect on it. If the previous post no longer reflects my current position, I ought to have the right to delete it.

I think the mods should reserve the right to reinstate major threads that get deleted, but I like having the ability to rescind the stupid shit that I pollute the interwebs with.

:lol:

It's about freakin' time you acknowledged that, buff!!!! lol

Kinda like Barry...and how his "views" all seem to have expiration dates. :D

[rcsodak]

Uh, cause if the people's posts suck and ruined the thread that had good intentions to begin with. . . they ought to have a right to bury it.

:confused:

I'm actually......speechless.

:shocked: