View Full Version : Broncos schedule work out with Prudue QB
Dortoh
03-16-2009, 05:03 PM
http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Players/Property/2009-Big-Board/-81.-Curtis-Painter-QB.html
Daniel Mogollon, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports the Denver Broncos are scheduled to work out Purdue University QB Curtis Painter at the university's campus Tuesday, March 17.
The Denver Broncos could be in the market for a quarterback if they pull the trigger on trading starter Jay Cutler. With that in mind, they will be in West Lafayette, Indiana to workout former Purdue signal caller Curtis Painter. Painter threw for 67 touchdowns and over 11,000 yards in his career, with his standout season coming in 2007 as a junior when he passed for 3,848 yards and 29 touchdown passes.
The St. Louis Rams have already made the trip to Purdue to workout Painter last Wednesday, two days prior to the school's Pro Day. St. Louis is expected to be in the market for a quarterback come draft weekend. Incumbent signal caller Marc Bulger has struggled the past two seasons and has issues with durability. In 2007 and 2008 Bulger threw 22 touchdowns to 28 interceptions and failed to complete 60 percent of his passes in each season.
Any team needing a quarterback would be wise to make a stop at the "Cradle of Quarterbacks" before the last weekend in April.
LoyalSoldier
03-16-2009, 05:17 PM
Somebody shoot me now.....
BroncoWave
03-16-2009, 05:18 PM
Meh, I'd rather have Pat White.
Dortoh
03-16-2009, 05:20 PM
I'd guess/hope it is more of a "hey Cook your boy can be replaced" move then anything??????
bullis26
03-16-2009, 05:25 PM
Meh, I'd rather have Pat White.
your going to have to use a lot higher pick on him though, i doubt he'll make it to the 3rd..... Curtis Painter? i've heard the name before but thats it, never seen him play, anybody have any idea where he's projected to be drafted at
hotcarl
03-16-2009, 05:25 PM
yeah right
BroncoWave
03-16-2009, 05:27 PM
your going to have to use a lot higher pick on him though, i doubt he'll make it to the 3rd..... Curtis Painter? i've heard the name before but thats it, never seen him play, anybody have any idea where he's projected to be drafted at
I'm where you are. Heard the name, never seen him play. And if it takes a second or 3rd rounder to get White and Cutler is gone at that point, I'm for it. None of the other QB's in this draft really interest me. I'm still holding out hope for Bradford next year!
JKcatch724
03-16-2009, 05:33 PM
I'd take Pat White over any other QB in this draft for McDaniels' system. He can run the spread and finds ways to win.
Curtis Painter? Good God...
LoyalSoldier
03-16-2009, 05:35 PM
Honestly taking a QB in the 3rd round sounds like a waste of a pick to me. They rarely pan out to anything meaningful.
bullis26
03-16-2009, 05:35 PM
i totally agree Pat White is the best qb in this draft for the broncos or patriots this year.... he'll be great in the NFL with a spread offense, and if we dont get him lets jump on tebow next year
bullis26
03-16-2009, 05:36 PM
Honestly taking a QB in the 3rd round sounds like a waste of a pick to me. They rarely pan out to anything meaningful.
yeah joe montana never amounted to much your right
and we may have to use a second to get white
LoyalSoldier
03-16-2009, 05:38 PM
yeah joe montana never amounted to much your right
and we may have to use a second to get white
For every 3rd rounder you can name that panned out I bet I could find another 20 that didn't.
bullis26
03-16-2009, 05:39 PM
For every 3rd rounder you can name that panned out I bet I could find another 20 that didn't.
yeah and its the same with any other position, thats why its called finding "gems"
LoyalSoldier
03-16-2009, 05:42 PM
Here are all of the QBs taken in the 3rd round since 1979 when Montana was taken. Not too many memorable QBs.
Kevin O'Connell (http://www.nfl.com/players/kevino%27connell/profile?id=OCO193317)
Trent Edwards (http://www.nfl.com/players/trentedwards/profile?id=EDW720778)
Charlie Whitehurst (http://www.nfl.com/players/charliewhitehurst/profile?id=WHI646241)
Brodie Croyle (http://www.nfl.com/players/brodiecroyle/profile?id=CRO809080)
Charlie Frye (http://www.nfl.com/players/charliefrye/profile?id=FRY448685)
Andrew Walter (http://www.nfl.com/players/andrewwalter/profile?id=WAL634887)
David Greene (http://www.nfl.com/players/davidgreene/profile?id=GRE424797)
Matt Schaub (http://www.nfl.com/players/mattschaub/profile?id=SCH085186)
Dave Ragone (http://www.nfl.com/players/daveragone/profile?id=RAG336187)
Chris Simms (http://www.nfl.com/players/chrissimms/profile?id=SIM339462)
Josh McCown (http://www.nfl.com/players/joshmccown/profile?id=MCC600777)
Giovanni Carmazzi (http://www.nfl.com/players/giovannicarmazzi/profile?id=CAR207616)
Chris Redman (http://www.nfl.com/players/chrisredman/profile?id=RED501201)
Brock Huard (http://www.nfl.com/players/brockhuard/profile?id=HUA252861)
Jonathan Quinn (http://www.nfl.com/players/jonathanquinn/profile?id=QUI592656)
Brian Griese (http://www.nfl.com/players/briangriese/profile?id=GRI028314)
Bobby Hoying (http://www.nfl.com/players/bobbyhoying/profile?id=HOY495941)
Stoney Case (http://www.nfl.com/players/stoneycase/profile?id=CAS138429)
Eric Zeier (http://www.nfl.com/players/ericzeier/profile?id=ZEI177981)
Billy Joe Hobert (http://www.nfl.com/players/billyjoehobert/profile?id=HOB523265)
Tom Hodson (http://www.nfl.com/players/tomhodson/profile?id=HOD738296)
Peter Tom Willis (http://www.nfl.com/players/petertomwillis/profile?id=WIL620352)
Neil O'Donnell (http://www.nfl.com/players/neilo%27donnell/profile?id=ODO638910)
Erik Wilhelm (http://www.nfl.com/players/erikwilhelm/profile?id=WIL061389)
Anthony Dilweg (http://www.nfl.com/players/anthonydilweg/profile?id=DIL646009)
Chris Chandler (http://www.nfl.com/players/chrischandler/profile?id=CHA222838)
Cody Carlson (http://www.nfl.com/players/codycarlson/profile?id=CAR158184)
Bubby Brister (http://www.nfl.com/players/bubbybrister/profile?id=BRI521505)
Hugh Millen (http://www.nfl.com/players/hughmillen/profile?id=MIL106899)
Frank Reich (http://www.nfl.com/players/frankreich/profile?id=REI026793)
Jay Schroeder (http://www.nfl.com/players/jayschroeder/profile?id=SCH519984)
Rick McIvor (http://www.nfl.com/players/rickmcivor/profile?id=MCI775208)
Jeff Hostetler (http://www.nfl.com/players/jeffhostetler/profile?id=HOS467201)
Joe Montana (http://www.nfl.com/players/joemontana/profile?id=MON392207)
LoyalSoldier
03-16-2009, 05:43 PM
yeah and its the same with any other position, thats why its called finding "gems"
Actually the 3rd round is a great round for almost every other position. It just sucks for QBs. That is why it seems like a waste since you can still get quality starters for every other position.
bullis26
03-16-2009, 05:47 PM
its called finding gems, 3rd rd is day 2.... yes theres good players available but it doesnt matter, and what the history is.... if matthew stafford was there in the third(he wont be, but therotically) you wouldnt take him because 3rd rd qb's never pan out.... it doesnt matter where your selected you can always make an impact.... and it is very unlikely that White will be there in the third
ikillz0mbies
03-16-2009, 05:58 PM
its called finding gems, 3rd rd is day 2.... yes theres good players available but it doesnt matter, and what the history is.... if matthew stafford was there in the third(he wont be, but therotically) you wouldnt take him because 3rd rd qb's never pan out.... it doesnt matter where your selected you can always make an impact.... and it is very unlikely that White will be there in the third
Do you think the Broncos should somehow trade for a second 2nd rounder or use their 2nd rounder on White?
Requiem / The Dagda
03-16-2009, 06:14 PM
A prospect like Painter is someone to certainly consider in the mid-rounds. He can make it in the NFL. Lets just say I'd rather go this route than use a first-rounder on a quarterback. Worst case scenario we have to go for him in the third, but I think he'll be there in the mid-rounds We need someone to develop regardless. Painter can be a starter in the NFL.
NickelTG
03-16-2009, 06:14 PM
its called finding gems, 3rd rd is day 2.... yes theres good players available but it doesnt matter, and what the history is.... if matthew stafford was there in the third(he wont be, but therotically) you wouldnt take him because 3rd rd qb's never pan out.... it doesnt matter where your selected you can always make an impact.... and it is very unlikely that White will be there in the third
It only makes sense to post a hypothetical situation that will never happen,because someone brought up a list of quarterbacks that have been actually taken in the draft to argue his point...because otherwise your argument makes no sense,and you'd have to admit you were wrong.
Curtis Painter is a joke. Name one performance he had that is memorable in college football.....Motor city bowl MVP defeating a powerful Central Michigan?
bullis26
03-16-2009, 06:16 PM
It only makes sense to post a hypothetical situation that will never happen,because someone brought up a list of qb's that have been actually taken in the draft to argue his point...because otherwise your argument makes no sense,and you'd have to admit you were wrong.
players drop all the time, matt stafford could go robb a bank, and then he would slip to the third prolly even farther..... Good players are in every rd you just have to find them, theres always small school prospects too....
LoyalSoldier
03-16-2009, 06:17 PM
its called finding gems, 3rd rd is day 2
The 3rd round still has plenty of quality starter material for a lot of other positions. Why look for Gems in the rough when you can still find diamonds by your feet?
.... yes theres good players available but it doesnt matter, and what the history is.... if matthew stafford was there in the third(he wont be, but therotically) you wouldnt take him because 3rd rd qb's never pan out.... it doesnt matter where your selected you can always make an impact.... and it is very unlikely that White will be there in the third
You just blew up your own argument. HE WON'T BE SO THEREFORE IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.
It is like saying "If Jerry rice found the fountain of youth and re-entered the NFL draft and then fell to the Broncos pick in the 7th round...." The bottom line is it will never happen. So what's the point of arguing that?
If the QB isn't worth taking in the first or second round then most likely he isn't going to do much. So far you have only been able to name one QB that actually amounted to anything big. I wasn't even born when that happened so once in the last 30 years is rather weak.
LoyalSoldier
03-16-2009, 06:19 PM
players drop all the time, matt stafford could go robb a bank, and then he would slip to the third prolly even farther..... Good players are in every rd you just have to find them, theres always small school prospects too....
QBs never drop that far unless they were there to start with. QBs are at a high premium in the draft so anyone who has promise is going to get grabbed and grabbed fast.
Magnificent Seven
03-16-2009, 06:19 PM
Check out his footage video. He looks good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4ZvZmUFeIM
LoyalSoldier
03-16-2009, 06:22 PM
Check out his footage video. He looks good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4ZvZmUFeIM
Sorry I never buy highlight footage because....welll.. they are the high points. Even a terrible QB makes a few good plays in 3 years at a school.
bullis26
03-16-2009, 06:29 PM
The 3rd round still has plenty of quality starter material for a lot of other positions. Why look for Gems in the rough when you can still find diamonds by your feet?
You just blew up your own argument. HE WON'T BE SO THEREFORE IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.
It is like saying "If Jerry rice found the fountain of youth and re-entered the NFL draft and then fell to the Broncos pick in the 7th round...." The bottom line is it will never happen. So what's the point of arguing that?
If the QB isn't worth taking in the first or second round then most likely he isn't going to do much. So far you have only been able to name one QB that actually amounted to anything big. I wasn't even born when that happened so once in the last 30 years is rather weak.
i can name QB's that went on to do something after the third Romo, Brady, Cassal, hassleback, brunell, Kurt Warner, Delhomme, Garcia, Anderson..... i could keep going but you get the point all those guys taken after 3rd rd and have either played in a super bowl or made the pro bowl
And if Matthew Stafford robbed a bank no way he'd be a first rd pick
LoyalSoldier
03-16-2009, 06:44 PM
i can name QB's that went on to do something after the third Romo, Brady, Cassal, hassleback, brunell, Kurt Warner, Delhomme, Garcia, Anderson..... i could keep going but you get the point all those guys taken after 3rd rd and have either played in a super bowl or made the pro bowl
Yet you missed the point by so much you are currently floating in outerspace because you can't seem to get it.
Most of those players were taken in late rounds or not drafted at all. They didn't waste a perfectly good #3 pick on a reach. They used a 6th(Brady), a 7th(Cassel), a 6th(Hasslebeck),a 5th(Brunell), so on so forth. In the late rounds nothing is a reach because there is hardly anyone left. That is why most backup QBs are taken in the 5th to 7th round. It just happens that every once in a while those backups pan out to be a starter or even a HOFer.
That is why a pick on a QB in the third is a waste because most of the QBs left are backup material and yet there are still quality players at other positions.
Edit: I just noticed. Please tell me the Anderson you are mentioning isn't Derick Andersen.
And if Matthew Stafford robbed a bank no way he'd be a first rd pick
Yea if he robbed a bank he might be in jail not playing in the NFL. :tsk:
Requiem / The Dagda
03-16-2009, 06:50 PM
Have been a lot of early round busts at QB as well; which is why it might be apt to consider a prospect like Painter who has an NFL skillset, but has some inconsistencies he needs to struggle on which have caused him to be in that mid-round area. He has the tools.
LoyalSoldier
03-16-2009, 06:56 PM
Have been a lot of early round busts at QB as well; which is why it might be apt to consider a prospect like Painter who has an NFL skillset, but has some inconsistencies he needs to struggle on which have caused him to be in that mid-round area. He has the tools.
However the QBs are more likely to pan out in the early rounds.
Requiem / The Dagda
03-16-2009, 07:02 PM
However the QBs are more likely to pan out in the early rounds.
Yes, because they are seen as players who have an elite NFL skillset and the tools to succeed in the NFL. Some do, however many often do not. Same goes for many positions. That is the nature of the draft. I'm not necessarily sure what your argument is outside of what you just stated above, but I don't see how anyone could argue against picking up a guy like Painter in the fourth or fifth round if available. It couldn't hurt our team.
LoyalSoldier
03-16-2009, 07:09 PM
Yes, because they are seen as players who have an elite NFL skillset and the tools to succeed in the NFL. Some do, however many often do not. Same goes for many positions. That is the nature of the draft. I'm not necessarily sure what your argument is outside of what you just stated above, but I don't see how anyone could argue against picking up a guy like Painter in the fourth or fifth round if available. It couldn't hurt our team.
*sigh* Will people bother to read my posts because I was clearly saying I don't want to pick a QB in the 3rd round. See late rounds I don't mind taking a QB although I doubt we will find a starter there. I do mind taking a QB in the 3rd or even the 2nd round. I don't want to waste a pick on a half-baked plan just because our management is too stupid to keep the QB that we already have. This is not a good QB draft so I am not hopeful that any QB coming out is going to be a starter.
Requiem / The Dagda
03-16-2009, 07:15 PM
I'm sorry you don't want to see Denver take a quarterback in the third round.
Painter is not a replacement. He is a late round guy that needs to be developed. Everyone settle the **** down.
Requiem / The Dagda
03-16-2009, 07:21 PM
Painter is not a replacement. He is a late round guy that needs to be developed. Everyone settle the **** down.
Honz, I'm glad you finally got access to a computer again. Thank you for this. You aren't posting from a public library are you? :D
tripleoption
03-16-2009, 07:57 PM
Personally, I think it'd be kinda cool if the Broncos got Painter. I had to gameplan against him his junior and senior year in high school, and I've kept track of him at Purdue, so I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Bronco uniform, but that's just me. Like Honz said, he could be a late round guy that could spend some time on the practice squad. I could see him being a decent backup someday.
BRONCOSFREAK765
03-16-2009, 08:52 PM
I am from West Lafayette, and have watched all of Painters games He is an amazing QB with good vision and great accuracy. I don't know what to think because he often had to play from behind, he looks good against teams with no talent...when we play Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State he doesn't look so great. lol
BroncoWave
03-16-2009, 08:54 PM
I am from West Lafayette, and have watched all of Painters games He is an amazing QB with good vision and great accuracy. I don't know what to think because he often had to play from behind, he looks good against teams with no talent...when we play Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State he doesn't look so great. lol
I thought you said he played well against teams with no talent! :lol: ;)
getlynched47
03-16-2009, 08:55 PM
*sigh*
Cutler FTW...
bullis26
03-16-2009, 09:07 PM
if pat whites there in rd 3 i would DEFINATELY take him
Denver Native (Carol)
03-16-2009, 09:41 PM
I'd guess/hope it is more of a "hey Cook your boy can be replaced" move then anything??????
I think that was already stated when Simms was signed :tsk:
WARHORSE
03-16-2009, 09:56 PM
I can see it now............AND STARTING AT QUARTERBACK FOR THE MIGHTY DENVER BRONCOS.......................CURTIS PAINTER!!!!!!!!!!
yay.
Pass the popcorn.
Good Lord people...it doesn't matter who we draft. If Jay is gone then Simms will be the starter.
LoyalSoldier
03-16-2009, 10:28 PM
Good Lord people...it doesn't matter who we draft. If Jay is gone then Simms will be the starter.
Yes, but I doubt Simms would be the starter for years to come.
getlynched47
03-16-2009, 10:37 PM
Yes, but I doubt Simms would be the starter for years to come.
Simms sucks.
ever since his magic spleen was removed...he's garbage...
Shazam!
03-16-2009, 10:39 PM
I can see it now............AND STARTING AT QUARTERBACK FOR THE MIGHTY DENVER BRONCOS.......................JAKE PLUMMER!!!!!!!!!!
yay.
Pass the popcorn.
Did you do this in 2003?
bcbronc
03-16-2009, 10:53 PM
we should trade Cutler to Philly for McNab and a pick. that would give us an upgrade at QB for next season and give us 2-3 years to find our next franchise qb.
:welcome:
Simms sucks.
ever since his magic spleen was removed...he's garbage...
Maybe, but he is not Painter.
BTW, he did lead his team to the playoffs in his only full year of action. Remind me how many times Jay has done that.
EMB6903
03-16-2009, 11:00 PM
Maybe, but he is not Painter.
BTW, he did lead his team to the playoffs in his only full year of action. Remind me how many times Jay has done that.
when did Chris Simms start a full year?
I remember when he stepped in for Brian Griese when the Bucs were 5-1 in 2005, but he never started a full year.
LoyalSoldier
03-17-2009, 12:00 AM
Maybe, but he is not Painter.
BTW, he did lead his team to the playoffs in his only full year of action. Remind me how many times Jay has done that.
Oh yea and what was the Tampa Bay defense ranked that year? Oh yea...1st in yards and 8th in scoring!
Funny how we leave that little detail out. He wasn't exactly spectacular that year either with 10 TDs and 7 Ints. Other than one decent season he has thrown 2 TDs to 10 Ints. Forgive me if I am not impressed.
weazel
03-17-2009, 12:10 AM
somebody shoot me now.....
lol...
maybe they will perform a Shanahan draft and draft all QB's the first 4 rounds.
LoyalSoldier
03-17-2009, 12:49 AM
lol...
maybe they will perform a Shanahan draft and draft all QB's the first 4 rounds.
I would laugh if we did that thinking we could trade Cutler and then we end up keeping him and now have 6+ QBs on our roster.
NickelTG
03-17-2009, 12:56 AM
Painter with years of experience is a backup at best. The big ten as a conference has been a joke the past few years,and he couldn't excel in it.
getlynched47
03-17-2009, 01:13 PM
Maybe, but he is not Painter.
BTW, he did lead his team to the playoffs in his only full year of action. Remind me how many times Jay has done that.
That was before his magic spleen was removed :coffee:
And he had the #1 defense to take a crap load of pressure off of him. I would be surprised if we were under 20 as far as ranking this season. I dont expect an amazingly drastic change in how horrible our defense is...
when did Chris Simms start a full year?
I remember when he stepped in for Brian Griese when the Bucs were 5-1 in 2005, but he never started a full year.
Do you remember when Jay step in for Plummer when the Broncos were 7-4?
LoyalSoldier
03-17-2009, 09:41 PM
Do you remember when Jay step in for Plummer when the Broncos were 7-4?
Do you remember when the offense was lucky to score 17 points?
Greatspirits
03-17-2009, 09:41 PM
Another quarterback from Indiana? No thanks!
Oh yea and what was the Tampa Bay defense ranked that year? Oh yea...1st in yards and 8th in scoring!
Funny how we leave that little detail out. He wasn't exactly spectacular that year either with 10 TDs and 7 Ints. Other than one decent season he has thrown 2 TDs to 10 Ints. Forgive me if I am not impressed.
Explain to me how 10-7 is different than 20-14.
Look, I am not going to argue that Simms is better than Cutler. Anyone can see that he is not.
But, he is better than Painter.
Do you remember when the offense was lucky to score 17 points?
Yes, I remember that happened several times last year (at least 6)
LoyalSoldier
03-18-2009, 01:53 AM
Yes, I remember that happened several times last year (at least 6)
Good because that happened 8 times with Plummer. In fact the average per game was 16 though 11 games. The exact same offense with Cutler was 24.8 per game. Unfortunately unlike Plummer, Cutler didn't have his defense hold teams under 13 like Plummer got early in the season.
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