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tomjonesrocks
03-16-2009, 02:05 PM
I'm not the biggest Peter King fan, but there's some quotes from McDaniels I hadn't read previously in this. Didn't see this posted elsewhere, so...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/03/15/union/index.html?eref=si_nfl

Peter King > MONDAY MORNING QB
Cutler's time as Bronco nearing end

Quite an offseason we're having. The NFLPA elects someone no one outside the District of Columbia Bar Association has ever heard of to succeed the late Gene Upshaw -- and all he has to do is go head-to-head with Roger Goodell on the most important CBA negotiation in a generation. One of the rising star quarterbacks in football, Jay Cutler, moves closer and closer toward divorce court with the Broncos. And LaDainian Tomlinson, who was supposed to get his contract cut to smithereens in his renegotiation deal with the Chargers, actually did quite well. Maybe not well enough to retire a Charger, but close.

I'll tell you a few nuggets about the election of DeMaurice Smith as the new NFLPA head, but this story has been Don Banks' baby on this site all month, so please give him a read this morning. I'm going to lead with the Cutler story, following two chats I had with Denver coach Josh McDaniels late Sunday night. I got the sense he can't believe it's come to this duel at the OK Corral.

"I would probably be really good for Jay, and I know he would be really good for me,'' McDaniels told me over the phone from Denver. "I think that's the part that's shocking to me.''

That it probably will never happen, he means.

It makes no sense. None. When the Broncos report for the start of their offseason program this morning at their plush complex south of town, Cutler will be a no-show. I reported recently that Cutler wanted to be traded after the Broncos lost both Mike Shanahan (fired) and offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates (went to USC as offensive coordinator), and that message was delivered to the Denver front office. Now I expect Cutler, through agent Bus Cook, to reiterate his demand ... and what's more, I expect the Broncos to seriously consider it. Owner Pat Bowlen said Sunday night, "we might lose'' Cutler, though he was not specific about how, or why, or when, and Cutler told Chris Mortensen of ESPN he has asked Cook to formally request a trade.

Denver has to tread carefully here. McDaniels told me he is frustrated by Cutler's interpretation of a conference call and then an in-person meeting this weekend, and he still wants to talk with Cutler again face-to-face to see if they can iron out their differences. If McDaniels walks into his first meeting with his players this morning, and they think he's trying to kick Cutler to the curb, they're going to ask, "Why did Bowlen hire this idiot?''

But in the end, Denver will have to strongly consider trading Cutler. If you're a rookie coach, as McDaniels is, and you've got to set the right tone for the team, how can you have a quarterback who doesn't want to be there as your franchise leader? Parting with Cutler would be forcing the Broncos to start over at the game's most important position when they thought they had the position filled for the next decade. But Cutler, who is one of the best quarterback prospects to enter the NFL in years, can be moody, and if he never buys what McDaniels is selling, it could drag the team down.

How we got to this point, in chronological order:

McDaniels said he was not considering trading Cutler until he was contacted "by two teams'' at the Scouting Combine -- presumably Detroit and Tampa. They were pie-in-the-sky inquiries, though, and he didn't consider anything seriously, he said, until the day before the Feb. 27 beginning of free-agency, when he got a serious proposal for Cutler.

"This was a non-issue until Thursday [Feb. 26],'' McDaniels said. "There was obviously a scenario where teams figured we'd be interested in Matt Cassel, because I'd coached him in New England. When someone calls, I'm going to consider it, because that's my job.''

Cutler believes the Broncos were much more interested in trading him and signing Cassel than they've said. I asked McDaniels if he'd been interested in Cassel before the contact by the two teams at the combine, going back to when he knew Cassel might be on the market and available in trade from the Patriots. "No, that's totally untrue,'' he said.

McDaniels did pursue a deal with New England on the first day of free agency, but not intensely, he said, because he and Broncos general manager Brian Xanders were in the middle of doing six free-agent negotiations in the opening two days of free-agency. "I think we were too late to the dance,'' he said, meaning the Chiefs had already made the deal with New England -- a second-round pick for Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel. Denver would have given more, likely a first-round pick, but Patriots coach Bill Belichick had his deal done with the Chiefs.

"Do I understand about Jay being hurt that we'd consider this?'' McDaniels said. "Sure. But I can tell you that it wasn't like there was any grand plan by us to trade Jay Cutler. That wasn't the case. But when we've told them [Cutler and Cook], I think it's fallen on deaf ears.''

I texted Cutler and got no response. In his comments to Mortensen earlier, he said his time in Denver "had run its course,'' the rift between him and McDaniels is "not something they want to fix,'' that McDaniels -- in their meeting Saturday -- "made it clear he could still entertain trading me,'' and said the coach "made it clear he wants his own guy.''

I texted McDaniels, and shortly before 1 a.m. Eastern on Monday, he called to react to Cutler's words.

"Oh boy,'' he said, and sighed. "No, no, no. Nothing like that was conveyed.'' And he sighed again.

"I think the hangup is, 'Well, you considered doing it once, would you ever consider it again?' It keeps coming out like I want my own guy. Thinking we want to trade him now is totally opposite what we've been trying to do here ... We've been trying like hell for two weeks to get a face-to-face meeting.''

What frustrates McDaniels is that the two sides met -- he thinks without acrimony -- and then word gets out that there was tension or vindictiveness in the meeting. "It's hard to believe we're sharing the same intentions and can have such different interpretations of the meeting,'' he said. "When we met [Saturday], my point was, 'We all know where this was, and now we all have to try to move forward.' After we met for a while, and went over a lot of the same ground we'd been over, Jay said to me, 'Can I have a few more hours to think?' I said, 'Yeah, give me a call on my cell phone.' He never called. Bus [Cook] called Brian [Xanders], but Jay didn't call me.''

I asked McDaniels if he feels he'll be forced to trade Cutler.

"No,'' he said. "He's got three years left on his contract. We're not at the point where we're going to do it now ... [But] it's probably something we're going to have to talk about. We've been trying to communicate, and I still want to try, but if that's the direction we're headed, we're going to have to talk.''

There's such a gulf in the two versions of events. But it looks like, taking the long view, Cutler will be playing elsewhere unless he and McDaniels sit in a room together for two hours and come out married. That's not likely to happen. Maybe Cutler can't take the dissing he feels from McDaniels, or maybe he's fabricating the dissing to justify in his own mind going somewhere else. I don't know. But I do know this: If I had the choice of Denver, Tampa Bay, Detroit and the Jets, and the Denver coach has worked successfully with Tom Brady and Matt Cassel, I'd be thinking very hard about not burning a bridge that can't be reconstructed.

CoachChaz
03-16-2009, 02:13 PM
Peter King quoting people? Say it aint so. I think the things stated in this article are what I thought from the beginning. Misinterpretation and Nothing more.

bcbronc
03-16-2009, 02:18 PM
I don't believe anyone not named Unnamed Source.

WARHORSE
03-16-2009, 02:22 PM
Peter King quoting people? Say it aint so. I think the things stated in this article are what I thought from the beginning. Misinterpretation and Nothing more.


Yeah, FIRST thing I noticed is where he SPUN the dialogue to make it look like CUTLER was the one who said the riff was 'NOT SOMETHING THEY WANT TO FIX'. He just CUT THE CONVERSATION IN PIECES, and TRIED TO MAKE JAY LOOK LIKE A HEAD.


ALL THIS TELLS IS PETER KING IS A PUNK REPORTER WHO ONLY WANTS TO SHINE HIS OWN THRONE.

WARHORSE
03-16-2009, 02:24 PM
LOOK AT THIS EXCERPT:

I texted Cutler and got no response. In his comments to Mortensen earlier, he said his time in Denver "had run its course,'' the rift between him and McDaniels is "not something they want to fix,'' that McDaniels -- in their meeting Saturday -- "made it clear he could still entertain trading me,'' and said the coach "made it clear he wants his own guy.''



KING IS A LOSER!
HE CUT IT UP TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE CUTLER SAID THIS. CLOWN!

LRtagger
03-16-2009, 02:25 PM
The Bus Cook theory sounds more and more plausible everytime I hear direct quotes from McDaniels. It sounds like Cook is the little devil on Jay's shoulder whispering things into his ear.

Why Jay wont meet with McD one-on-one without Cook in the room is beyond me. I have a feeling Cook is telling Jay to stand his ground and he will get a bigger contract. Jay is following his advice.

Buff
03-16-2009, 02:25 PM
Peter King quoting people? Say it aint so. I think the things stated in this article are what I thought from the beginning. Misinterpretation and Nothing more.

It started as a misunderstanding. Then Bus Cook saw it as an opening to leverage the situation in his client's favor. He's filling Jay's head with these ideas that somehow he's been wronged, and that the team owes his some sort of assurance before he should move forward. He's telling Tony Scheffler the same thing. It's this BS sense of entitlement that rich ******** have that is clouding the whole situation.

JONtheBRONCO
03-16-2009, 02:26 PM
McDaniels has made his side of the story clear. Don't be so naive people, Cutler doesn't want to play in Denver. He doesn't, period. If he wanted to, if he was so loyal to his teammates, he'd be in Denver, shooting the shit with his "buddies." A sad span of weeks in Bronco history. Read between the lines people, and take your Jay Cutler shaded glasses off... I have. He's being a jerk.

WARHORSE
03-16-2009, 02:32 PM
McDaniels has made his side of the story clear. Don't be so naive people, Cutler doesn't want to play in Denver. He doesn't, period. If he wanted to, if he was so loyal to his teammates, he'd be in Denver, shooting the shit with his "buddies." A sad span of weeks in Bronco history. Read between the lines people, and take your Jay Cutler shaded glasses off... I have. He's being a jerk.


Notice how McDaniels was very selective in what he said?

"It's hard to believe we're sharing the same intentions and can have such different interpretations of the meeting,'' he said. "When we met [Saturday], my point was, 'We all know where this was, and now we all have to try to move forward.' After we met for a while, and went over a lot of the same ground we'd been over, Jay said to me, 'Can I have a few more hours to think?' I said, 'Yeah, give me a call on my cell phone.' He never called. Bus [Cook] called Brian [Xanders], but Jay didn't call me.''



Cutler said he would be at every mandatory meeting. He didnt say he was holding out, or any of that crap. And IF part of this is Bus Cooks open door to get his client more money, hes doing his job. Much as we hate it. But McDONKEY opened that door.

honz
03-16-2009, 02:43 PM
Please take of your homer glasses, War. I personally think that Cutler deserves more blame than McDaniels, but no matter who you side with I don't see how one can think that one of them is totally innocent or the victim.

CoachChaz
03-16-2009, 02:58 PM
The only thing I am sure of at this point is that WAR is going to spin everything to fit his argument and back his name calling

G_Money
03-16-2009, 03:01 PM
Please take of your homer glasses, War. I personally think that Cutler deserves more blame than McDaniels, but no matter who you side with I don't see how one can think that one of them is totally innocent or the victim.

I'm tilted the other way, putting it more on McDaniels than Cutler, but yeah, neither is an innocent party. They're both complicit.

Unfortunately, we're the victims.

If our new coach and old QB can stop stabbing each other with scissors, it'd sure be nice.

Resolving it with Cutler still on the team would still be the best outcome IMO, but regardless, it's time to start wrapping this up.

It's too big to be swept under the rug now.

~G

claymore
03-16-2009, 03:05 PM
One of these 2 knuckle heads has to man up.

claymore
03-16-2009, 03:07 PM
I'm tilted the other way, putting it more on McDaniels than Cutler, but yeah, neither is an innocent party. They're both complicit.

Unfortunately, we're the victims.

If our new coach and old QB can stop stabbing each other with scissors, it'd sure be nice.

Resolving it with Cutler still on the team would still be the best outcome IMO, but regardless, it's time to start wrapping this up.

It's too big to be swept under the rug now.

~G

They will be like brothers in 2 seasons. Vacation together andd everything. :love:

Medford Bronco
03-16-2009, 03:08 PM
McDaniels has made his side of the story clear. Don't be so naive people, Cutler doesn't want to play in Denver. He doesn't, period. If he wanted to, if he was so loyal to his teammates, he'd be in Denver, shooting the shit with his "buddies." A sad span of weeks in Bronco history. Read between the lines people, and take your Jay Cutler shaded glasses off... I have. He's being a jerk.

one of the best posts ever:salute::beer:

tomjonesrocks
03-16-2009, 03:14 PM
Cutler said he would be at every mandatory meeting. He didnt say he was holding out, or any of that crap. And IF part of this is Bus Cooks open door to get his client more money, hes doing his job. Much as we hate it. But McDONKEY opened that door.

Totally agree. Man's game. McDaniels may be an amateur, but Cook is not. Game over.

OB
03-16-2009, 03:15 PM
Yeah, FIRST thing I noticed is where he SPUN the dialogue to make it look like CUTLER was the one who said the riff was 'NOT SOMETHING THEY WANT TO FIX'. He just CUT THE CONVERSATION IN PIECES, and TRIED TO MAKE JAY LOOK LIKE A HEAD.


ALL THIS TELLS IS PETER KING IS A PUNK REPORTER WHO ONLY WANTS TO SHINE HIS OWN THRONE.

Dude are you Bus Cook or something - you act like you have been by Jay's side during this whole thing - take the blinders off and realize that he may just be as responsible for this whole fiasco as McDaniels is

NightTrainLayne
03-16-2009, 03:45 PM
"It's hard to believe we're sharing the same intentions and can have such different interpretations of the meeting,''

This quote from McDaniel's speaks volumes. Mainly because whichever side of the debate you fall on, it's truthful. Likely the most truthful statement we've heard from either side.

If both sides had the same intentions they certainly wouldn't have such vastly different interpretations of what happened. That is 100% bona-fide, certifiable, truthful, honest, fact.

One side has made statements regarding what they said: McD, Xanders & Bowlen have made several statements regarding what they said to Cutler, and they all seem pretty consistent as they should.

The other side has made statements characterizing what they feel the other side said: Cutler and Cook have made several statements saying what they think the FO said to them (e.g. "they don't want me"), but that conflicts totally with they way the Broncos put it.

Why is it that Cutler/Cook aren't telling us what they said? Why do they concentrate on trying to weave the story of what the Broncos told them, and it disagrees totally with the accounts of three different people?

I don't know why, but if you ask me about who is being dishonest here, it is tilted much more toward Cutler/Cook than it is McDaniels, but they do both share in the blame for this, I'm not letting McD off the hook here. It was handled poorly to begin with, but at some point Cutler's got to man up, and live with integrity, or go someplace else.