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WARHORSE
03-13-2009, 01:00 AM
Hey, I want our head coach to succeed. But our proud franchise is in the news for a bunch of mishandled dealings beginning with McLovins.
Its not enough to simply say, "Hey, a mistake, but go ahead and do what you think is right............bring the 'Patitot Way' into Denver".

He needs to be taught that dragging the franchise through the mud by not being more prepared for all situations is not acceptable.

Hence, he needs to be punished.

Looking for some suggestions for discipline.

I tossed five out there:



1. Pound each of his nads once with a heavy rubber mallet at 6:00, 9:00, 12:00 and 3:00 everyday until ramadan is over.

2. Have him stick a set of taser darts into his rectal cavity and give him the taser. Make him pull the trigger. See how long it takes him to let go. (we can all place bets)

3. Strip him down, tie a cord securely around his nad sack. Tie the other end to the pommel of a riderless horse in a corn field. Put a pair of 16 oz. thumbless boxing gloves on Josh's hands. Spank the rump of the horse, let Josh run as long as he can.

4. Tie him naked to the front of a fan. Show him a picture of SilkMilk.:D

5. Outfit Bief with some nipple rings and branding irons and a whip. Then cut him loose in a jacuzzi with Josh and give em a bottle each of Jack, Vodka, Gin, OJ, Kalua and Peppermint Snapper. Oh, dont forget the batman mask.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 05:33 AM
Allow him to do his job without interference from the media..

Allow him to set the rules on his team..

Make sure players adhere to them..

Sounds pretty simple to me..

Dirk
03-13-2009, 05:48 AM
Hillarious War!

WARHORSE
03-13-2009, 06:37 AM
Allow him to do his job without interference from the media..

Allow him to set the rules on his team..

Make sure players adhere to them..

Sounds pretty simple to me..



BOOOOOOOOOOO!:tsk:


Thats all we need around here is some young unestablished headcoach on a power trip.

BOOOOOOOOOOO!
:tsk:


Youre in the wrong thread fred.:tsk:



The media is part of the job.......deal with it and use it to your advantage or they will shred the image of the program......and you.

He sets the rules, but coaching is far more than walking around making sure these grown men are obedient.

The Denver Broncos organization is all over the damn news with negative publicity cause he doesnt know what hes doing.

Period.


Let him learn the hard way...........I just want him to learn.

Den21vsBal19
03-13-2009, 07:58 AM
McDaniels could have handled Cutler better, but it's Cutler that's been spewing in the press, not the Broncos FO..............

Both equally the problem, IMO.................

CoachChaz
03-13-2009, 10:07 AM
No, here's a better idea. Let's find out a way to set McD up to fail on purpose. I mean it's obvious that we all know more than he does and that we can read his mind and listen to what goes on in his office telepathically. And if we miss something, we always have the credibility of the unnamed NFl sources to fill in the blanks.

Based on that and the fact he has yet to run a camp or coach a game, it's COMPLETELY obvious that McD cant coach. So...let's sabotage him and make sure the team and organization suck for a few years.

Hahahahahahahahahah............DUMB

Mike
03-13-2009, 10:38 AM
No, here's a better idea. Let's find out a way to set McD up to fail on purpose. I mean it's obvious that we all know more than he does and that we can read his mind and listen to what goes on in his office telepathically. And if we miss something, we always have the credibility of the unnamed NFl sources to fill in the blanks.

Based on that and the fact he has yet to run a camp or coach a game, it's COMPLETELY obvious that McD cant coach. So...let's sabotage him and make sure the team and organization suck for a few years.

Hahahahahahahahahah............DUMB

Just wait until Denver stumbles out of the gate and struggles next season. I expect things to be pretty unbearable around that time.

silkamilkamonico
03-13-2009, 11:10 AM
Hey, I want our head coach to succeed. But our proud franchise is in the news for a bunch of mishandled dealings beginning with McLovins.

Our "proud franchise" is coming off 1 division title/playoff win in the last 10 years, 3 consecutive no playoff seasons, a monumental, history making NFL regular season division collapse, and arguably the worst defense in Denver, ever.

What "proud franchise"?

We lost that title about 7 seasons ago.

silkamilkamonico
03-13-2009, 11:12 AM
Just wait until Denver stumbles out of the gate and struggles next season. I expect things to be pretty unbearable around that time.

Things have been unbearable for almost 10 seasons, with the exception of 1 "magical" season that ended in an utterly disappointing home playoff blowout loss.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 12:05 PM
BOOOOOOOOOOO!:tsk:


Thats all we need around here is some young unestablished headcoach on a power trip.

BOOOOOOOOOOO!
:tsk:


Youre in the wrong thread fred.:tsk:



The media is part of the job.......deal with it and use it to your advantage or they will shred the image of the program......and you.

He sets the rules, but coaching is far more than walking around making sure these grown men are obedient.

The Denver Broncos organization is all over the damn news with negative publicity cause he doesnt know what hes doing.

Period.


Let him learn the hard way...........I just want him to learn.


Actually Pat was wise enough to know precisely what this team needed and new HC that would come in and lay down the law.. Let everyone know what the rules are for every one.. Not just the worker bees.. but the "queen" bee himself.

The media is just stirring up things that should handled internally FIRST..

IF for some reason that does not help then by all means Jay should be able to chat with the press but it should be done as an adult..

Yes Den has been drug there the mud .. But it was jay that started the mud slinging and refused to talk like an adult to those that know for sure what happened..

If and when jay decides to play like an adult then he will be treated like on.. Until then this is all his doing..

nthngd2say
03-13-2009, 12:06 PM
Wouldn't Bowlen be the one requiring punishment for hiring McDaniels and for signing off of the Cutler trade? I thought Bowlen stated that all decisions now go through him as Xanders and McDaniels report to him.

topscribe
03-13-2009, 12:08 PM
I didn't say I wanted McDaniels to fail.

I said only that I want his socialist agenda to fail . . . :coffee:

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turftoad
03-13-2009, 12:10 PM
Based on that and the fact he has yet to run a camp or coach a game, it's COMPLETELY obvious that McD cant coach. So...let's sabotage him and make sure the team and organization suck for a few years.



There's no doubt he can coach. There's also no doubt that he hasn't been a head coach before.
He hasn't handled personel decisions very well thus far. If anyone is sabotaging Mcbozo, it's himself.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 12:32 PM
There's no doubt he can coach. There's also no doubt that he hasn't been a head coach before.
He hasn't handled personnel decisions very well thus far. If anyone is sabotaging Mc bozo, it's himself.


Yeah I guess jay getting bad advise from bus cook has nothing to do with that either..

bullis26
03-13-2009, 12:32 PM
Some people have tried to characterize the friction between Josh McDaniels and Jay Cutler as a battle of wills.

That's being way too generous -- to Cutler.

Cutler can threaten to stay away from the Denver Broncos' non-mandatory offseason conditioning program, which begins Monday. He can even skip their first mandatory minicamp, which begins April 17.

While he's at it, he can hold his breath and stomp his feet, too.

According to multiple NFL sources with knowledge of the situation, no amount of protesting is going to make McDaniels regret his decision to attempt to trade Cutler two weeks ago as part of a deal that would have brought Matt Cassel -- whom McDaniels helped mold into a highly-effective starter last season when they were with the New England Patriots -- to Denver.

Nor, the sources say, will it prompt the Broncos' new coach to seek to patch things up with Cutler, who is still smoldering about being the subject of trade talk.

"You will not see (McDaniels) flinch," one league source said. "I guarantee you this: He's in control of that situation. If this is a story about who is running that team, the last person in the world I'm going to alienate is a new coach in the first year of a four-year, multimillion-dollar deal.

"Last year, as an offensive coordinator in New England, he lost maybe the greatest quarterback in football (Tom Brady, to a season-ending knee injury). Then he turned a backup who hadn't started a game since high school into one of the top quarterbacks in the league. Josh is not frightened to go to the bench, if he has to."

There have been varying reports about what was supposed to have been a clear-the-air conference call earlier in the week between Cutler and his agent, Bus Cook, and the Broncos hierarchy of owner Pat Bowlen, chief operating officer Joe Ellis, general manager Brian Xanders and McDaniels. One source said, as far as the Broncos were concerned, the call went well because they were satisfied they had established to Cutler and his agent that he was no longer on the trading block. They pointed out the potential trade with the Patriots was something they did not seek; it came to them. And after Cassel was shipped to Kansas City, any trade discussion involving Cutler was over.

Still, the source said, the Broncos made no promise to Cutler that he was untradeable, which is why the three-year veteran didn't necessarily share the Broncos' opinion about the success of the call.

According to the source, although Cutler could very well be the Broncos' quarterback in 2009, he should not plan on getting such a commitment because McDaniels has no intention of giving it to him.

A Cutler trade could very well happen between now and April's draft, the source said. One league insider said to keep an eye on the Detroit Lions, who are looking to deal the top overall pick (where quarterback Georgia's Matthew Stafford could be selected). Another said to keep an eye on the Cleveland Browns, because they might very well be interested in a deal that would involve swapping Brady Quinn for Cutler. Like Cassel, Quinn is well-schooled in McDaniels' offense. He ran it while playing at Notre Dame for Charlie Weis, whom McDaniels succeeded as offensive coordinator of the Patriots.
Cutler won't be doing himself any favors if he allows his anger to get in the way of fully preparing to continue as the Broncos' starting quarterback. For one thing, it won't help his relationship with McDaniels. For another, if he skips offseason work, he will severely damage his ability to learn a new offensive scheme that is far different from the one he has known since joining the Broncos as a first-round draft pick in 2006.

The fact Bowlen had no problem parting ways with his previous coach, Mike Shanahan, should have been Cutler's first clue that he does not wield nearly as much power as he might think he does. Cutler, who became a prolific Pro Bowl passer under Shanahan, made it known that he didn't agree with the firing. Still, Bowlen wanted Shanahan out so much that he was willing to eat the remaining $20 million of his contract.

"If you can fire a Mike Shanahan, you can trade a kid like that," an NFL source said. "Everyone is disposable in this league. And (Cutler's) a guy who hasn't proven a thing yet. He's had some great statistics, but he hasn't won a thing yet.

"It's well known that Cutler is a highly sensitized person, but what are we really talking about here? A guy's feelings got hurt? In my mind, this is so much ado about nothing. The smartest thing Cutler can do is just shut up."

just another report about cutler crying and potentially skipping stuff he's supposed to be at

fcspikeit
03-13-2009, 02:17 PM
Some people have tried to characterize the friction between Josh McDaniels and Jay Cutler as a battle of wills.

That's being way too generous -- to Cutler.

Cutler can threaten to stay away from the Denver Broncos' non-mandatory offseason conditioning program, which begins Monday. He can even skip their first mandatory minicamp, which begins April 17.

While he's at it, he can hold his breath and stomp his feet, too.

According to multiple NFL sources with knowledge of the situation, no amount of protesting is going to make McDaniels regret his decision to attempt to trade Cutler two weeks ago as part of a deal that would have brought Matt Cassel -- whom McDaniels helped mold into a highly-effective starter last season when they were with the New England Patriots -- to Denver.

Nor, the sources say, will it prompt the Broncos' new coach to seek to patch things up with Cutler, who is still smoldering about being the subject of trade talk.

"You will not see (McDaniels) flinch," one league source said. "I guarantee you this: He's in control of that situation. If this is a story about who is running that team, the last person in the world I'm going to alienate is a new coach in the first year of a four-year, multimillion-dollar deal.

"Last year, as an offensive coordinator in New England, he lost maybe the greatest quarterback in football (Tom Brady, to a season-ending knee injury). Then he turned a backup who hadn't started a game since high school into one of the top quarterbacks in the league. Josh is not frightened to go to the bench, if he has to."

There have been varying reports about what was supposed to have been a clear-the-air conference call earlier in the week between Cutler and his agent, Bus Cook, and the Broncos hierarchy of owner Pat Bowlen, chief operating officer Joe Ellis, general manager Brian Xanders and McDaniels. One source said, as far as the Broncos were concerned, the call went well because they were satisfied they had established to Cutler and his agent that he was no longer on the trading block. They pointed out the potential trade with the Patriots was something they did not seek; it came to them. And after Cassel was shipped to Kansas City, any trade discussion involving Cutler was over.

Still, the source said, the Broncos made no promise to Cutler that he was untradeable, which is why the three-year veteran didn't necessarily share the Broncos' opinion about the success of the call.

According to the source, although Cutler could very well be the Broncos' quarterback in 2009, he should not plan on getting such a commitment because McDaniels has no intention of giving it to him.

A Cutler trade could very well happen between now and April's draft, the source said. One league insider said to keep an eye on the Detroit Lions, who are looking to deal the top overall pick (where quarterback Georgia's Matthew Stafford could be selected). Another said to keep an eye on the Cleveland Browns, because they might very well be interested in a deal that would involve swapping Brady Quinn for Cutler. Like Cassel, Quinn is well-schooled in McDaniels' offense. He ran it while playing at Notre Dame for Charlie Weis, whom McDaniels succeeded as offensive coordinator of the Patriots.
Cutler won't be doing himself any favors if he allows his anger to get in the way of fully preparing to continue as the Broncos' starting quarterback. For one thing, it won't help his relationship with McDaniels. For another, if he skips offseason work, he will severely damage his ability to learn a new offensive scheme that is far different from the one he has known since joining the Broncos as a first-round draft pick in 2006.

The fact Bowlen had no problem parting ways with his previous coach, Mike Shanahan, should have been Cutler's first clue that he does not wield nearly as much power as he might think he does. Cutler, who became a prolific Pro Bowl passer under Shanahan, made it known that he didn't agree with the firing. Still, Bowlen wanted Shanahan out so much that he was willing to eat the remaining $20 million of his contract.

"If you can fire a Mike Shanahan, you can trade a kid like that," an NFL source said. "Everyone is disposable in this league. And (Cutler's) a guy who hasn't proven a thing yet. He's had some great statistics, but he hasn't won a thing yet.

"It's well known that Cutler is a highly sensitized person, but what are we really talking about here? A guy's feelings got hurt? In my mind, this is so much ado about nothing. The smartest thing Cutler can do is just shut up."

just another report about cutler crying and potentially skipping stuff he's supposed to be at

so let me get this strait, the same source that said "as far as the Broncos were concerned, the call went well because they were satisfied they had established to Cutler and his agent that he was no longer on the trading block." then turns around and says, "A Cutler trade could very well happen between now and April's draft, the source said."

I wonder why Cutler still feels he could be traded :rolleyes:

This should be about performance. McDipshit should have no problem committing to Cutler in that if he plays well, he will be the Broncos starting QB..

Hell, at least assure him if he comes into camp, works his tail off and learns the new scheme he will not be traded. Assure him he at least has an honest chance of winning the job... Telling someone regardless what he does, he could still be traded before the draft is a crock of shit.. That is not how classy organizations run things. Bowlen needs to step in here before McDipshit drags the Broncos name further through the mud!

That is of course assuming he wishes to regain some of the belief about this being a classy organization?

bcbronc
03-13-2009, 02:25 PM
is it just me, or has this shit really sucked the life out of what should have been an exciting off-season.....:tsk:

bullis26
03-13-2009, 02:34 PM
cutler isnt above the team, no way he should have a 100% safe spot, if the broncos were offered 5 first round picks for him, i'd hope they take those, cutler is a little baby, i still like him but he needs to grow up and learn the nfl is a business anybody can be traded

fcspikeit
03-13-2009, 05:12 PM
cutler isnt above the team, no way he should have a 100% safe spot, if the broncos were offered 5 first round picks for him, i'd hope they take those, cutler is a little baby, i still like him but he needs to grow up and learn the nfl is a business anybody can be traded

If that be the case then the fans need to grow up and learn the NFL is a business and any player can rightfully hold out and demand a trade if they feel it's in the best interest of themselves. If the team/organization gets no heat for looking out for it's own best interest, then the players damn sure shouldn't get bashed for doing the exact same thing!

So which is it? Is it just a business or is there supposed to be some level of commitment?

claymore
03-13-2009, 05:33 PM
I hate josh mcdaniels.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 05:38 PM
I hate josh mcdaniels.

probably time to move on to another NFL team then cause he is here for awhile..:salute:

claymore
03-13-2009, 05:39 PM
probably time to move on to another NFL team then cause he is here for awhile..:salute:

I can wait 2 years. He is going to destroy this team.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 05:46 PM
I can wait 2 years. He is going to destroy this team.


feel sad you can't see the long term on this coaching change..

Young energetic, new ideas, comes from a winning background.. Much the same as when mikey came to town..

fcspikeit
03-13-2009, 05:47 PM
I hate josh mcdaniels.

He has turned this team and fan base upside down.. I hope he doesn't expect anything less out of the locker room..

He rolls into town with all his Patriot way BS and is killing the Broncos.. We have a tradition here of being one of the best places to work. A class organization from top to bottom. We didn't earn that respect by treating our players the way he is... IMO even winning isn't worth selling out one of the best things about this organization.. It's pride!

Come on Pat, The Broncos are better then this! You are better then this..

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 05:52 PM
He has turned this team and fan base upside down.. I hope he doesn't expect anything less out of the locker room..

He rolls into town with all his Patriot way BS and is killing the Broncos.. We have a tradition here of being one of the best places to work. A class organization from top to bottom. We didn't earn that respect by treating our players the way he is... IMO even winning isn't worth selling out one of the best things about this organization.. It's pride!

Come on Pat, The Broncos are better then this! You are better then this..


pride in having a .500 season the last three years??..

Pat did what he did Because he was not happy the way it was..

What mikey had during the Super bowl years was lost since the HOF Franchise players retired..

Many players wanted to come th to country club back then.. Very few want to come now..


What we had back then is gone today was gone last year..

Pat wants it back.. and shares the vision of this Young HC much like he did 15 years ago..

EMB6903
03-13-2009, 05:55 PM
probably time to move on to another NFL team then cause he is here for awhile..:salute:

if Cutler is traded?

He wont last 3 years here.

claymore
03-13-2009, 05:56 PM
feel sad you can't see the long term on this coaching change..

Young energetic, new ideas, comes from a winning background.. Much the same as when mikey came to town..
His Ideas are coming from the same place poop does. If he couldnt win with Jay Cutler he is an idiot.


He has turned this team and fan base upside down.. I hope he doesn't expect anything less out of the locker room..

He rolls into town with all his Patriot way BS and is killing the Broncos.. We have a tradition here of being one of the best places to work. A class organization from top to bottom. We didn't earn that respect by treating our players the way he is... IMO even winning isn't worth selling out one of the best things about this organization.. It's pride!

Come on Pat, The Broncos are better then this! You are better then this..

Hell yeah.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 06:04 PM
if Cutler is traded?

He wont last 3 years here.

if he is traded, it is with Pats blessing, therefore will be given more latitude..

Pat did not set in that Telecon the other day and sleep through it He knows what is happening.. And Supposedly why a hard line is being drawn in the sand..

Do not kid yourselves there is more to this than meets the eye..

EMB6903
03-13-2009, 06:06 PM
if he is traded, it is with Pats blessing, therefore will be given more latitude..

Pat did not set in that Telecon the other day and sleep through it He knows what is happening.. And Supposedly why a hard line is being drawn in the sand..

Do not kid yourselves there is more to this than meets the eye..

I think the only reason he will be traded if he doesnt show up to off season work outs and OTA's, then they would have to trade him I would think, and that would put Mcdaniels on an even shorter list

and can you imagine this team without Cutler?

1-15 anybody?

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 06:08 PM
I think the only reason he will be traded if he doesnt show up to off season work outs and OTA's, then they would have to trade him I would think, and that would put Mcdaniels on an even shorter list

and can you imagine this team without Cutler?

1-15 anybody?


if jay does not show then Joshes, Xman and Pats worse fears are confirmed they have a crybaby QB that is not going be able to handle it in pinch down the line..

Better to be without him NOW and NOT WASTE 2-3 years teaching him how to be a real QB instead of a rocket arm..
Chicken little anyone????..

Come on jay does not walk on water.. like a few seem to think...

claymore
03-13-2009, 06:09 PM
chicken little anyone????..

Come on jay does not walk on water.. like a few seem to think...

Nope. But he is the BEST PLAYER WE HAVE.

TXBRONC
03-13-2009, 06:10 PM
if he is traded, it is with Pats blessing, therefore will be given more latitude..

Pat did not set in that Telecon the other day and sleep through it He knows what is happening.. And Supposedly why a hard line is being drawn in the sand..

Do not kid yourselves there is more to this than meets the eye..

Then you really don't understand how the NFL works. He wont be given five years if team shows no progress over the next couple of years.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 06:12 PM
Then you really don't understand how the NFL works. He wont be given five years if team shows no progress over the next couple of years.


mikey was... 2000-2008

EMB6903
03-13-2009, 06:12 PM
chicken little anyone????..

Come on jay does not walk on water.. like a few seem to think...

Jay Cutler is the most important aspect to this team, you can play it out like hes not but he is, and was the biggest reason this team even competed in the afc west last year

all this BS im hearing about no player is safe and every player is tradable thats such BS

YOU DONT TRADE A FRANCHISE QB THATS UNDER 26, I dont care if its for 5 1st rounders.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 06:13 PM
Nope. But he is the BEST PLAYER WE HAVE.

in your eyes perhaps.. if that is true then he should be worth alot on the trade market..

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 06:14 PM
Jay Cutler is the most important aspect to this team, you can play it out like hes not but he is, and was the biggest reason this team even competed in the afc west last year

all this BS im hearing about no player is safe and every player is tradable thats such BS

YOU DONT TRADE A FRANCHISE QB THATS UNDER 26, I dont care if its for 5 1st rounders.


We were not really in the race for the AFC west, come on think with your skull not your heart..

Had we won it it would have been even more embarrassing then the cutler fiasco is today..

EMB6903
03-13-2009, 06:16 PM
We were not really in the race for the AFC west, come on think with your skull not your heart..

Had we won it it would have been even more embarrassing then the cutler fiasco is today..



Denver was 2 1/2 games up on the Chargers with 3 games to go, to say we werent in the race is stupidity, no offense

EMB6903
03-13-2009, 06:18 PM
mikey was... 2000-2008

Shanahan was a 2 time superbowl champion, not some 32 rookie head coach

Broncospsycho77
03-13-2009, 06:21 PM
We were not really in the race for the AFC west, come on think with your skull not your heart..

Had we won it it would have been even more embarrassing then the cutler fiasco is today..

Yes, but, in retrospect, was it Jay Cutler's fault that we didn't win the AFC West?

The correct answer is "no". He wasn't the glaring flaw. Sure, he wasn't perfect, but is not the one at fault for those 3 games' outcomes. If losing those 3 games was any part over maybe 10% his fault, we were watching different sports last year.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 06:25 PM
Denver was 2 1/2 games up on the Chargers with 3 games to go, to say we werent in the race is stupidity, no offense

did you even read my post??..

Yes we had a lead with a team with the worst Defense in the league with the worst DC in the history of the NFL..

We may have won it but the blow out that would have ensued would rival all of the worst playoff and Superbowl losses combined..

Pat saw this team was rotting from with in that was why he fired mikey.. and started FRESH..

The sooner Y'all figure that out the better..


Really sit back and think about how bad this team really was.. not about a pro bowl QB but just how bad this last season was.. think with your head not your heart, penis or ass. and you will get it..

If not we will have to agree to disagree.

IMHO JOSH is here for the long haul with or without jay.. that is all I have to say about it.. see ya

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 06:28 PM
Shanahan was a 2 time superbowl champion, not some 32 rookie head coach


and the schmuck was fired.. and is being paid $20,000,000.00+ over the next three years..

That is how bad Pat wanted him out of power..

He hired someone he liked to take his place..

What does that tell you?

claymore
03-13-2009, 06:28 PM
did you even read my post??..

Yes we had a lead with a team with the worst Defense in the league with the worst DC in the history of the NFL..

We may have won it but the blow out that would have ensued would rival all of the worst playoff and Superbowl losses combined..

Pat saw this team was rotting from with in that was why he fired mikey.. and started FRESH..

The sooner Y'all figure that out the better..


Really sit back and think about how bad this team really was.. not about a pro bowl QB but just how bad this last season was.. think with your head not your heart, penis or ass. and you will get it..

If not we will have to agree to disagree.

IMHO JOSH is here for the long haul with or without jay.. that is all I have to say about it.. see ya

Lets get rid of Royal too. I bet we could get a number one for him.

bcbronc
03-13-2009, 06:29 PM
He has turned this team and fan base upside down.. I hope he doesn't expect anything less out of the locker room..

He rolls into town with all his Patriot way BS and is killing the Broncos.. We have a tradition here of being one of the best places to work. A class organization from top to bottom. We didn't earn that respect by treating our players the way he is... IMO even winning isn't worth selling out one of the best things about this organization.. It's pride!

Come on Pat, The Broncos are better then this! You are better then this..

meh, not so much. since Johny Boy hung up the cleats, it's become tradition to have a rift over our starting qb. heck, that rift existed with JC even before McD answered the phone. only difference, we now have 8 threads on the first page to discuss it in instead of 3.

:coffee:

claymore
03-13-2009, 06:29 PM
and the schmuck was fired.. and is being paid $20,000,000.00+ over the next three years..

That is how bad Pat wanted him out of power..

He hired someone he liked to take his place..

What does that tell you?

Given the past few weeks? Pat made a bad decision. Thats what I think.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 06:29 PM
Lets get rid of Royal too. I bet we could get a number one for him.

now your talking out of your ass.. we would never get a #1 for him..:laugh::laugh:

claymore
03-13-2009, 06:31 PM
now your talking out of your ass.. we would never get a #1 for him..:laugh::laugh:

How bout a second? Lets do that maybe a 2nd and a 7th?

TXBRONC
03-13-2009, 06:31 PM
mikey was... 2000-2008

Yeah and it was the last three that were the problem, at try to be honest about it.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 06:32 PM
Given the past few weeks? Pat made a bad decision. Thats what I think.


well there you go thinking again..

Pat seems to be quite content with how things are going.. and since he is numero uno on the totem pole.. his thought is what counts..

Unless you want to try and prove him to be incompetent..:salute:

EMB6903
03-13-2009, 06:33 PM
did you even read my post??..


of course i read it, you said we werent "realistically" in it, but i bet you didnt think that when we were 8-5 and the chargers were 5-8

I dont understand how you could say otherwise, WE HAD A 2 1/2 game lead with 3 to play, it was unrealistic to think we WERENT gonna win it at that point

claymore
03-13-2009, 06:34 PM
well there you go thinking again..

Pat seems to be quite content with how things are going.. and since he is numero uno on the totem pole.. his thought is what counts..

Unless you want to try and prove him to be incompetent..:salute:

He is proving it himself.

TXBRONC
03-13-2009, 06:34 PM
and the schmuck was fired.. and is being paid $20,000,000.00+ over the next three years..

That is how bad Pat wanted him out of power..

He hired someone he liked to take his place..

What does that tell you?

Anyone with common sense realize Bowlen wants to win now, not in five years.

Broncospsycho77
03-13-2009, 06:34 PM
well there you go thinking again..

Pat seems to be quite content with how things are going.. and since he is numero uno on the totem pole.. his thought is what counts..

Unless you want to try and prove him to be incompetent..:salute:

That's not true at all.

Just because he doesn't say something doesn't mean he is content with it. We don't know that, and we can't assume it either.

I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong here, it's just premature to say that because we. don't. know.

EMB6903
03-13-2009, 06:38 PM
Given the past few weeks? Pat made a bad decision. Thats what I think.

Im gonna wait and see how it plays out on the football field to determine whether Pat made a bad choice or not.

Cutler and Mcdaniels will make up by this week and we will all move on from this BS

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 06:38 PM
Yeah and it was the last three that were the problem, at try to be honest about it.

the problem TX has been festering fro a long time..

I at least though he had his ducks together when he brought in Bates and Had a couple of decent drafts..

But the team is rotten to the core excepting the starting 8-9 on offense beyond that TX you have to admit there was very little quality on this team..

almost NO depth.. any where and that as we all know is from his experimenting with FA instead f building the core from the draft..

Did we win games? Sure but we also got our asses handed to us when we least expected it.. When we made it to the Playoffs we got blown out.. for many reasons..

I thought the guy was absolutely one of the best offensive minds in football but past that IMHO he sucked at running the team..

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 06:42 PM
That's not true at all.

Just because he doesn't say something doesn't mean he is content with it. We don't know that, and we can't assume it either.

I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong here, it's just premature to say that because we. don't. know.

well lets go with the premise that Josh laid the law down and told Jay and his agent NO one is immune form being evaluated and could be traded we will do what is best for the team.....

If this is a true statement then Pat is giving Josh the lead here and will stand by his HC before he will his QB..


If it did not happen then Josh could be on a real short leash..

Time will tell.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 06:44 PM
Im gonna wait and see how it plays out on the football field to determine whether Pat made a bad choice or not.

Cutler and Mcdaniels will make up by this week and we will all move on from this BS


I really hope jay will come to camp and everyone one will kiss and make up..

But I do not see it happening.. for reasons I have stated more than once in any of the 15 or so threads about jay and Josh..

bcbronc
03-13-2009, 06:44 PM
of course i read it, you said we werent "realistically" in it, but i bet you didnt think that when we were 8-5 and the chargers were 5-8

I dont understand how you could say otherwise, WE HAD A 2 1/2 game lead with 3 to play, it was unrealistic to think we WERENT gonna win it at that point

really though, in only 1 of the 3 games did we have a realistic chance at winning. beating Carolina in Carolina or San Diego were both long shots. Buffalo we should have beat, but we lost another back early. Jay's just not the kind of qb that can win big games without a running game (*snicker*snicker* :grabspopcorn: ).

when the Chargers made that big comeback on the stupid Chiefs, the writing was pretty much on the wall.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 06:47 PM
How bout a second? Lets do that maybe a 2nd and a 7th?

I have no issues with his maturity on the contrary I think he may be the best player on the squad.. :salute:

claymore
03-13-2009, 06:49 PM
I have no issues with his maturity on the contrary I think he may be the best player on the squad.. :salute:

He may be, but he isnt the hardest one to replace.

EMB6903
03-13-2009, 06:49 PM
really though, in only 1 of the 3 games did we have a realistic chance at winning. beating Carolina in Carolina or San Diego were both long shots. Buffalo we should have beat, but we lost another back early. Jay's just not the kind of qb that can win big games without a running game (*snicker*snicker* :grabspopcorn: ).

when the Chargers made that big comeback on the stupid Chiefs, the writing was pretty much on the wall.

true, but Denver should have taken care of Business vs Buffalo at home when up 13-0

all we needed was to win 1 out of 3, that wasnt "realistic" ?

bcbronc
03-13-2009, 06:51 PM
true, but Denver should have taken care of Business vs Buffalo at home when up 13-0

all we needed was to win 1 out of 3, that wasnt "realistic" ?

apparently not. :tsk:

EMB6903
03-13-2009, 06:56 PM
oh it was realistic

it was just one of the biggest regular season chokejobs in NFL history.

TXBRONC
03-13-2009, 06:58 PM
the problem TX has been festering fro a long time..

I at least though he had his ducks together when he brought in Bates and Had a couple of decent drafts..

But the team is rotten to the core excepting the starting 8-9 on offense beyond that TX you have to admit there was very little quality on this team..

almost NO depth.. any where and that as we all know is from his experimenting with FA instead f building the core from the draft..

Did we win games? Sure but we also got our asses handed to us when we least expected it.. When we made it to the Playoffs we got blown out.. for many reasons..

I thought the guy was absolutely one of the best offensive minds in football but past that IMHO he sucked at running the team..

JR if you want live in that fantasyland that's your preogative. It was rumored right away that Bowlen would be very easily inclinded to taking hire a young offensive minded coach to work with his young offense while rebuilding the defense. I'm looking at the offensive side of the ball and McDaniels hasn't cut away all that much. Now why would that be? Maybe it has to do with the fact that offense is fine. As I said if you want live on Fantasy Island thing that McDaniels will get 8 or 9 years to rebuild this be my guest. Only a blind person is going believe that. Just take a look at our defensive coordinator he was fired from his head coaching job before contract was up and he had even less to work with. Reality can be a ball buster, if McDaniels can't show progress within about 3 years maybe 4 he'll get fired.

NB: Unlike many here I don't root for Jay or McDaniels to fail because it's bad for the team.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 07:05 PM
He may be, but he isnt the hardest one to replace.

actually perhaps it is how long we been looking for a super star WR.. since Marcus nash.. the ashley and who could forget the moronic trade with GB for a #2.. Darius watts a few years back.. @#2..

That is at least four first day draft choices spent in vain for a fast Eddie type..

claymore
03-13-2009, 07:06 PM
JR if you want live in that fantasyland that's your preogative. It was rumored right away that Bowlen would be very easily inclinded to taking hire a young offensive minded coach to work with his young offense while rebuilding the defense. I'm looking at the offensive side of the ball and McDaniels hasn't cut away all that much. Now why would that be? Maybe it has to do with the fact that offense is fine. As I said if you want live on Fantasy Island thing that McDaniels will get 8 or 9 years to rebuild this be my guest. Only a blind person is going believe that. Just take a look at our defensive coordinator he was fired from his head coaching job before contract was up and he had even less to work with. Reality can be a ball buster, if McDaniels can't show progress within about 3 years maybe 4 he'll get fired.

NB: Unlike many here I don't root for Jay or McDaniels to fail because it's bad for the team.

I truly believe if we lose Cutler....... And Marshall is suspended we will be drafting in the top 5 next year.

Tell me Bowlen wouldnt get a scotch on the rocks, and look himself in the mirror and say "I****'ed up".

claymore
03-13-2009, 07:08 PM
actually perhaps it is how long we been looking for a super star WR.. since Marcus nash.. the ashley and who could forget the moronic trade with GB for a #2.. Darius watts a few years back.. @#2..

That is at least four first day draft choices spent in vain for a fast Eddie type..

Well, I think we have had worse luck drafting QB's. Cutler is the only good QB we ever drafted. Griese is the second best. What does that tell you?

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 07:09 PM
JR if you want live in that fantasyland that's your preogative. It was rumored right away that Bowlen would be very easily inclinded to taking hire a young offensive minded coach to work with his young offense while rebuilding the defense. I'm looking at the offensive side of the ball and McDaniels hasn't cut away all that much. Now why would that be? Maybe it has to do with the fact that offense is fine. As I said if you want live on Fantasy Island thing that McDaniels will get 8 or 9 years to rebuild this be my guest. Only a blind person is going believe that. Just take a look at our defensive coordinator he was fired from his head coaching job before contract was up and he had even less to work with. Reality can be a ball buster, if McDaniels can't show progress within about 3 years maybe 4 he'll get fired.
NB: Unlike many here I don't root for Jay or McDaniels to fail because it's bad for the team.

I have said nothing less that 3-4 years.. atleast we can agree on something..

If I have please, please show me where I'm in error..

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 07:11 PM
Well, I think we have had worse luck drafting QB's. Cutler is the only good QB we ever drafted. Griese is the second best. What does that tell you?

how many day one QB's have we dafted?

Only one on mikeys watch that I can remember and right now it is pickum whether he makes past draft day..

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 07:14 PM
I truly believe if we lose Cutler....... And Marshall is suspended we will be drafting in the top 5 next year.

Tell me Bowlen wouldnt get a scotch on the rocks, and look himself in the mirror and say "I****'ed up".

I think he'd say wow I screwed up not replacing mikey earlier before I let him bring more goof balls to this team and waste another half a billion on bonuses..:laugh::laugh:

So far all we have out of the last three drafts worth a shit is Clady and Eddie..

And we all know before that we got NADA.. expect a few LB's..

claymore
03-13-2009, 07:14 PM
how many day one QB's have we dafted?

Only one on mikeys watch that I can remember and right now it is pickum whether he makes past draft day..

I can only think of 3 off the top of my head. I dont know for sure. Shannahan drafted Cutler and Griese both first day picks.

EMB6903
03-13-2009, 07:17 PM
Maddox, and Cutler are the only QB's I know of that Denver has drafted in the 1st round

claymore
03-13-2009, 07:17 PM
I think he'd say wow I screwed up not replacing mikey earlier before I let him bring more goof balls to this team and waste another half a billion on bonuses..:laugh::laugh:

So far all we have out of the last three drafts worth a shit is Clady and Eddie..

And we all know before that we got NADA.. expect a few LB's..

Marshall, Doom, Eddie, Cutler, Clady, Scheffler, Hillis, Thomas (ehh). Not that bad........

claymore
03-13-2009, 07:19 PM
Maddox, and Cutler are the only QB's I know of that Denver has drafted in the 1st round

He said first day, so I threw Griese in. Kubiak can be a considered a successful QB drafted to. But in a different way, and not day one I guess.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 07:22 PM
I can only think of 3 off the top of my head. I dont know for sure. Shannahan drafted Cutler and Griese both first day picks.

Griese IIRC was @ 4 but I could be wrong.. I suspect I'd rather had Griese if I had to do it all over agian...















belay that both are head cases..

TXBRONC
03-13-2009, 07:23 PM
I truly believe if we lose Cutler....... And Marshall is suspended we will be drafting in the top 5 next year.

Tell me Bowlen wouldnt get a scotch on the rocks, and look himself in the mirror and say "I****'ed up".

If that were to happen I wouldn't doubt he would kick himself, but I'm also pretty sure Bowlen would give him a chance to rectify the situation. However, regardless of what Jr thinks Bowlen wont give him five years fix it. Mike Nolan had less to work with in San Francisco and he only got 3 1/2 seasons to get the 49ers winning again.

Just for the record, I don'twant McDaniels to fail and don't want Jay to fail.

claymore
03-13-2009, 07:29 PM
Griese IIRC was @ 4 but I could be wrong.. I suspect I'd rather had Griese if I had to do it all over agian...















belay that both are head cases..
He was a 3rd.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 07:31 PM
Marshall, Doom, Eddie, Cutler, Clady, Scheffler, Hillis, Thomas (ehh). Not that bad........

lets see

Marshall head case maybe in jail before TC most likely up to 8 game suspension..

doom well maybe in a real defense he could do something but converting him to a OLB well a long stretch IMO..

Eddie Best or second best of the group..

jay the jury is still out big time on whether he is HOF or Jeff George..

Clady right next to Eddie..

scheffler great player when he is on the field but is gonzo from DEN soon..

thomas jury still out on this kid.. but most likely not be in DEN next time this year..


Hillis I like could be a long term RB/FB/Hback is versatile enough to find a job for him..

not much left from the mikey era to be proud of Ya think..

but lots of wasted cap space every year.. think of how good this team could have been with a Professional GM and mikey just coaching.. what a waste of time and money ..

Glad Pat finnaly saw the light..

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 07:35 PM
If that were to happen I wouldn't doubt he would kick himself, but I'm also pretty sure Bowlen would give him a chance to rectify the situation. However, regardless of what Jr thinks Bowlen wont give him five years fix it. Mike Nolan had less to work with in San Francisco and he only got 3 1/2 seasons to get the 49ers winning again.

Just for the record, I don't McDaniels to fail and don't want Jay to fail.



Once again out of context quoting I have never IIRC said Pat will allow him 5 years to rebuild this team..

It is not like the democrats that if you repeat it often enough some one will believe it..

but good try for a put down.. C- for effort..

claymore
03-13-2009, 07:38 PM
lets see

Marshall head case maybe in jail before TC most likely up to 8 game suspension..

doom well maybe in a real defense he could do something but converting him to a OLB well a long stretch IMO..

Eddie Best or second best of the group..

jay the jury is still out big time on whether he is HOF or Jeff George..

Clady right next to Eddie..

scheffler great player when he is on the field but is gonzo from DEN soon..

thomas jury still out on this kid.. but most likely not be in DEN next time this year..


Hillis I like could be a long term RB/FB/Hback is versatile enough to find a job for him..

not much left from the mikey era to be proud of Ya think..

but lots of wasted cap space every year.. think of how good this team could have been with a Professional GM and mikey just coaching.. what a waste of time and money ..

Glad Pat finnaly saw the light..

Me too. Xanders was the man all along.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 07:40 PM
Me too. Xanders was the man all along.

lets hope so..

claymore
03-13-2009, 07:43 PM
lets hope so..

How many good GM's let this type of thing happen?

TXBRONC
03-13-2009, 07:45 PM
Once again out of context quoting I have never IIRC said Pat will allow him 5 years to rebuild this team..

It is not like the democrats that if you repeat it often enough some one will believe it..

but good try for a put down.. C- for effort..

And you get an F for not realizing that you inferred it.

WARHORSE
03-13-2009, 07:46 PM
McDaniels could have handled Cutler better, but it's Cutler that's been spewing in the press, not the Broncos FO..............

Both equally the problem, IMO.................


Name what hes been spewing.

WARHORSE
03-13-2009, 07:48 PM
No, here's a better idea. Let's find out a way to set McD up to fail on purpose. I mean it's obvious that we all know more than he does and that we can read his mind and listen to what goes on in his office telepathically. And if we miss something, we always have the credibility of the unnamed NFl sources to fill in the blanks.

Based on that and the fact he has yet to run a camp or coach a game, it's COMPLETELY obvious that McD cant coach. So...let's sabotage him and make sure the team and organization suck for a few years.

Hahahahahahahahahah............DUMB


DUMB is trading a 25 yr old franchise QB.

THAT would be dumb. So if he pulls it off..............lets call him DUMB coach of the century.

EMB6903
03-13-2009, 07:50 PM
Cutler and Mcdaniels ARENT speaking out, thats why everything thinks they arent handling the situation right

But like I said earlier NOBODY KNOWS WHATS GOING ON AT DOVE VALLEY, not even the Media

for all we know Cutler and Mcdaniels have spoken privately over the phone since tuesday and have sorted things out.

WARHORSE
03-13-2009, 07:53 PM
Our "proud franchise" is coming off 1 division title/playoff win in the last 10 years, 3 consecutive no playoff seasons, a monumental, history making NFL regular season division collapse, and arguably the worst defense in Denver, ever.

What "proud franchise"?

We lost that title about 7 seasons ago.



I guess thats your view.


Your view sucks.

Tough way to be...........you could always go cheer for the black and silver.

WARHORSE
03-13-2009, 07:57 PM
feel sad you can't see the long term on this coaching change..

Young energetic, new ideas, comes from a winning background.. Much the same as when mikey came to town..


Never been a headcoach before.............he hasnt done JACK.

You cant see the long term either so youre talkin out of your butt.

WARHORSE
03-13-2009, 08:00 PM
mikey was... 2000-2008


BWAHAHAHAHA! Two years after back to back superbowls.


What a clown.

Watchthemiddle
03-13-2009, 08:02 PM
Never been a headcoach before.............he hasnt done JACK.

You cant see the long term either so youre talkin out of your butt.

Same can be said about Jay.........he hasn't done JACK.

WARHORSE
03-13-2009, 08:03 PM
did you even read my post??..

Yes we had a lead with a team with the worst Defense in the league with the worst DC in the history of the NFL..

We may have won it but the blow out that would have ensued would rival all of the worst playoff and Superbowl losses combined..

Pat saw this team was rotting from with in that was why he fired mikey.. and started FRESH..

The sooner Y'all figure that out the better..


Really sit back and think about how bad this team really was.. not about a pro bowl QB but just how bad this last season was.. think with your head not your heart, penis or ass. and you will get it..

If not we will have to agree to disagree.

IMHO JOSH is here for the long haul with or without jay.. that is all I have to say about it.. see ya


From your own mouth........terrible defense.

And how did we manage to win games with the worse defense in the history of Denver?


Ask YOURSELF that. Pull your head out of your butt and look at the facts.

4500 passing yards

claymore
03-13-2009, 08:04 PM
Same can be said about Jay.........he hasn't done JACK.

Nope he hasnt set any Broncos records in his third year. Or went to the Pro Bowl.

Remember, He is in his 3rd year and our team isnt very good.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 08:05 PM
How many good GM's let this type of thing happen?

GM's are for finding the talent and signing it.. and making sure the HC and coaches have everything they need..

Once they are in the fold the HC is in charge.. with how to deal with his players.. rarely do the GM's get in the middle of pissing contests..

Xman was not here before and had no previous dealings with jay the we have heard about.... If jay is not gonna return call from the owner well what does the say about his blowing off a GM..

WARHORSE
03-13-2009, 08:07 PM
So far all we have out of the last three drafts worth a shit is Clady and Eddie..

And we all know before that we got NADA.. expect a few LB's..


Marshall? Kuper? Cutler?

claymore
03-13-2009, 08:07 PM
GM's are for finding the talent and signing it.. and making sure the HC and coaches have everything they need..

Once they are in the fold the HC is in charge.. with how to deal with his players.. rarely do the GM's get in the middle of pissing contests..

Xman was not here before and had no previous dealings with jay the we have heard about.... If jay is not gonna return call from the owner well what does the say about his blowing off a GM..

I am holding my tongue on Xanders because its rumored he stopped the Cutlker trade. If thats the case he might save us from Josh McUnibomber.

Watchthemiddle
03-13-2009, 08:08 PM
Nope he hasnt set any Broncos records in his third year. Or went to the Pro Bowl.

Remember, He is in his 3rd year and our team isnt very good.

Ya the Pats offense hasn't been any good in the past either. Everyone is right...McDaniels hasn't done Jack. :rolleyes:

Watchthemiddle
03-13-2009, 08:10 PM
Marshall? Kuper? Cutler?


Youre gettin dumber by the minute Wiz.

Marshall is in constant trouble and could serious hurt us this year with suspensions, and Cutler is a whinner on his way out. Quality guys we have brought in other than Clady and Eddie. Ya, great drafting. :rolleyes:

WARHORSE
03-13-2009, 08:10 PM
Same can be said about Jay.........he hasn't done JACK.

Id call takin a sieve for a defense to an ..500 record and throwing for 4500 yards JACK.


In his third year?

If you dont think setting the franchise record in passing yards in your third year an accomplishment, you dont know a thing about football.

claymore
03-13-2009, 08:11 PM
Ya the Pats offense hasn't been any good in the past either. Everyone is right...McDaniels hasn't done Jack. :rolleyes:

And no one knew who Tom Brady was before Josh McDaniels was a Coordinator.

Broncospsycho77
03-13-2009, 08:12 PM
Marshall is in constant trouble and could serious hurt us this year with suspensions, and Cutler is a whinner on his way out. Quality guys we have brought in other than Clady and Eddie. Ya, great drafting. :rolleyes:

Pro.
Bowl.

They seem alright to me.

WARHORSE
03-13-2009, 08:12 PM
Marshall is in constant trouble and could serious hurt us this year with suspensions, and Cutler is a whinner on his way out. Quality guys we have brought in other than Clady and Eddie. Ya, great drafting. :rolleyes:


Yeah............Detroit is offering the first pick in the draft with the 2oth pick in the draft for someone who hasnt done JACK.

TXBRONC
03-13-2009, 08:14 PM
Marshall? Kuper? Cutler?


Youre gettin dumber by the minute Wiz.

Don't forget Ryan Harris and while some people complain about his issues with injury Scheffler has been an very good receiving tight end.

Watchthemiddle
03-13-2009, 08:17 PM
Yeah............Detroit is offering the first pick in the draft with the 2oth pick in the draft for someone who hasnt done JACK.




No, the Lions are mentallyl challenged. Have you checked their assessment of talent lately?

EMB6903
03-13-2009, 08:21 PM
I laugh at anybody who question Shanahans picks from 06-08

even when talking about the 07 draft ITS WAY TOO EARLY to even judge Jarvis Moss's career, and Thomas panned out for a 4th rounder along with a RT who some writers had as all pro.

WARHORSE
03-13-2009, 08:22 PM
No, the Lions are mentallyl challenged. Have you checked their assessment of talent lately?



Heres ...............some ...................homework.

Part one: Lets see............the list of QBs who have thrown for over 4500 yards in a single season after 2.5 years of starts are........................



Part two: .........and their names are...................


Part three: How many times have NFL QBs thrown for over 4500 yards in a single season?

WARHORSE
03-13-2009, 08:25 PM
Best in the West
David Dorey
September 25, 2008

Reprinted from David Dorey's weekly column in USA Today.


Move over Tom and Peyton.

The two iconic quarterbacks have treated fantasy leaguers for the last seven years and have even taken turns at holding the single-season record for most passing touchdowns. Thanks to crafty schedule makers, they battle each other every year if not once again during the playoffs. But the NFL still stands for "Not For Long" and Brady is out with a torn ACL and Manning is shaking off the rust of his own knee surgery. Not to worry though, football just moves on to the next Ali and Frazier.
Say hello to Jay and Philip.

The Denver Broncos surprised everyone when they used their 1.11 draft pick in 2006 to select Jay Cutler. After a season on the bench, He took over as the starter and had a good first season with 3497 passing yards and 20 touchdowns. But he was diagnosed with diabetes in the offseason and now medicated has reached a whole new level. His 980 passing yards currently ranks #1 in the NFL and Brandon Marshall already has 321 receiving yards to rank #2 despite being suspended for the first game. When Marshall did not play, the rookie Eddie Royal debuted with nine catches for 146 yards and a score in Oakland. The central figure in all of this is Cutler.

This is not merely a three game passing spree either - the Broncos are changing and no longer feature a dominating rushing attack. They no longer have the leg-whipping, bulldozing offensive line and with a defense that is allowing 28 points per game, they no longer have the luxury of just running the ball to win. It may be the opposite of what we've long been used to seeing in Denver, but Cutler is leading the change and making star receivers where once only downfield blockers existed.

EMB6903
03-13-2009, 08:37 PM
and the schmuck was fired.. and is being paid $20,000,000.00+ over the next three years..

That is how bad Pat wanted him out of power..

He hired someone he liked to take his place..

What does that tell you?

you are going off topic, Im telling you why Shanahan had so much leverage from 2000-08 he had proven success

Unlike Mcdaniels who is a ROOKIE head coach who is 32 years old, I doubt Bowlen will be patient with a rookie HC who has proven nothing in this league when running the show... not many owners are

TXBRONC
03-13-2009, 08:41 PM
you are going off topic, Im telling you why Shanahan had so much leverage from 2000-08 he had proven success

Unlike Mcdaniels who is a ROOKIE head coach who is 32 years old, I doubt Bowlen will be patient with a rookie HC who has proven nothing in this league when running the show... not many owners are

I think he will get about 3 to 4 years to turn things around.

EMB6903
03-13-2009, 08:45 PM
I think he will get about 3 to 4 years to turn things around.

it all depends on the production next year, that doesnt necessarlly mean that he has to win a certain ammount of games, But the team has to show some upside,production, and be able to compete weekly.

WARHORSE
03-13-2009, 09:06 PM
Heres from the book 'FOOTBALL FOR DUMMIES' for all those who need help in understanding what Cutler is:

From 1980, ALL the QBs who have thrown for 4500 yards in a single season, and the years they did it. (Yes, I know Cutler threw for 4473) The stats still stand

1980 Dan Fouts
1981 Dan Fouts

1984 Dan Marino
1986 Dan Marino

1990 Warren Moon
1991 Warren Moon

2001 Kurt Warner
2004 Peyton Manning

2007 Tom Brady

2008 Drew Brees, Kurt Warner and JAY CUTLER.


DOES ANY OF THIS REGISTER WITH YOU WHO THINK CUTLER HASNT DONE ANYTHING??

Jeff George? He broke 4000 yards once, 3000 yards twice, and never broke the 3000 yard mark any other time in a 14 year career. His 4100 yard year came in year 6 of his career.


IF WE TRADE CUTLER -BOWLEN, MCDANIELS AND EVERY OTHER DUMMY WHO PUTS THEIR HAND TO IT ARE THE DUMBEST FRONT OFFICE IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME, BECAUSE THESE DUMMIES ARE GOING TO DO IT AFTER THEY KNEW HE THREW FOR 4500 YARDS IN A SINGLE SEASON................



By the way............Manning has passed for over 4400 yards twice in his career. First time he broke 4473.......Cutlers mark...........was YEAR SEVEN. That was with Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison in their prime.



You dont trade guys like this for MATT CASSELLS.

Lonestar
03-13-2009, 09:30 PM
you are going off topic, Im telling you why Shanahan had so much leverage from 2000-08 he had proven success

Unlike Mcdaniels who is a ROOKIE head coach who is 32 years old, I doubt Bowlen will be patient with a rookie HC who has proven nothing in this league when running the show... not many owners are


yes he had leverage and Pats friendship after the two Lombardi's.. since then this team while having winning season has been in decline to the point last year that even though we had a hotshot QB WR duo we were the laughing stock of the league with the personnel moves mikey made for the most part from 1999 to 2006.. All of those years not getting some players into the system that stayed more than 2-3 contract years.. says something about who is doing the picking..

And frankly I believe had he not had slowick head so far up his ass Pat would have allowed him one more year if he would have brought in another NAMED BRAND DC.. But we all know that did not happen..

There fore the decline of the real depth on this team went back as far as 1999 with the exception of 4 LB 1 LB/DE/DT and bunch late round wonders in both the RB and OLINE area this team was pretty kaput..

Right now behind our starting OLINE , QB, two WR and TE what do we really even have.. Any of them can step in a play at reasonable level of competency start naming them..

We had maybe 2 bona fide starters on this defense that may come back.. might have 3-4 valid backups and some folks that will be pressed into duty that are not there yet..

name the players on this team that would be starting on any other play off team.. for that matter how many would even be backups..

That folks is the state of the team.. the cupboard is bare.. our starters from last year were cut NONE have been claimed on waivers none have been signed save Niko..

Mikey had a ponzy scheme going with FAs when one disappeared he covered it with another.. till there was no more cap space to waste..

When bottom dwellers do not want your starters that is saying something..


when you look at how thin we are.. (I noticed it when lepsis went down.. that was when I knew it was a matter of time and this was a house of cards).. it is scary and I think Pat sees it now also.. Josh is going to get a pretty good leash length IMO..

fcspikeit
03-13-2009, 10:12 PM
well lets go with the premise that Josh laid the law down and told Jay and his agent NO one is immune form being evaluated and could be traded we will do what is best for the team.....

If this is a true statement then Pat is giving Josh the lead here and will stand by his HC before he will his QB..


If it did not happen then Josh could be on a real short leash..

Time will tell.

The same source that said McKid laid down the law also said Bowlen was the one to tell Jay he wasn't going to be traded.. The same source also said McKid told jay anyone could be traded.. That to me sounds like McKid is over stepping his bounds. I'm sure Bowlen isn't to happy about that. ;)

silkamilkamonico
03-13-2009, 10:57 PM
I guess thats your view.


Your view sucks.

Tough way to be...........you could always go cheer for the black and silver.

LMAO

The truth kills you doesn't it...

"But hey! who cares about the playoffs when you can compete for 8-8 and 9-7 records year in and year out!!!"

:rolleyes:

WARHORSE
03-14-2009, 05:16 AM
LMAO

The truth kills you doesn't it...

"But hey! who cares about the playoffs when you can compete for 8-8 and 9-7 records year in and year out!!!"

:rolleyes:


Nope.

Cause the truth is, I dont know a Broncos organization that aint proud.


Stick yer head in the sand, that will help you.


And us.:coffee:

claymore
03-14-2009, 07:00 AM
LMAO

The truth kills you doesn't it...

"But hey! who cares about the playoffs when you can compete for 8-8 and 9-7 records year in and year out!!!"

:rolleyes:

If we lose Cutler we are drafting top 5 next year.

Den21vsBal19
03-14-2009, 08:21 AM
Heres from the book 'FOOTBALL FOR DUMMIES' for all those who need help in understanding what Cutler is:

From 1980, ALL the QBs who have thrown for 4500 yards in a single season, and the years they did it. (Yes, I know Cutler threw for 4473) The stats still stand



A couple of quick thoughts about those 16 named players...............

Of the 16, 9 of them are in the last 8 seasons..................maybe the game has changed somewhat over time :whoknows:


Only five of them went to the Superbowl, losing all five games............Marino (only one pre-2000), Warner (twice), Gannon & Brady.

Or to put it another way, of the 42 Superbowl winning QBs, exactly none of them had 4,500 yards in the regular season.

TXBRONC
03-14-2009, 08:57 AM
A couple of quick thoughts about those 16 named players...............

Of the 16, 9 of them are in the last 8 seasons..................maybe the game has changed somewhat over time :whoknows:


Only five of them went to the Superbowl, losing all five games............Marino (only one pre-2000), Warner (twice), Gannon & Brady.

Or to put it another way, of the 42 Superbowl winning QBs, exactly none of them had 4,500 yards in the regular season.

Just a couple of thoughts, no running back that had ever eclipsed the 2000 yard had ever won the Super Bowl until TD did it. No running back who won League MVP ever won the Super Bowl until Emmit Smith did it.

Den21vsBal19
03-14-2009, 10:29 AM
Just a couple of thoughts, no running back that had ever eclipsed the 2000 yard had ever won the Super Bowl until TD did it. No running back who won League MVP ever won the Super Bowl until Emmit Smith did it.
Valid point, and that's why TD should be in the hall ;)

Maybe, the 2,000 yard mark for backs is more analagous to 5,000 for QBs, considering the rarity of either feat...............

However, the subject is Jay, and the fact stands that no 4,500 yard QB has won the big one.......................hopefully Jay can be the first whilst still a Bronco, but, IMO, the ball is pretty firmly in his court now

WARHORSE
03-14-2009, 10:48 AM
Actually Pat was wise enough to know precisely what this team needed and new HC that would come in and lay down the law.. Let everyone know what the rules are for every one.. Not just the worker bees.. but the "queen" bee himself.

The media is just stirring up things that should handled internally FIRST..

IF for some reason that does not help then by all means Jay should be able to chat with the press but it should be done as an adult..

Yes Den has been drug there the mud .. But it was jay that started the mud slinging and refused to talk like an adult to those that know for sure what happened..

If and when jay decides to play like an adult then he will be treated like on.. Until then this is all his doing..

Out of touch with reality.

TXBRONC
03-14-2009, 11:06 AM
it all depends on the production next year, that doesnt necessarlly mean that he has to win a certain ammount of games, But the team has to show some upside,production, and be able to compete weekly.

EMB even if Cutler gets traded McDaniels will get more than one year. It could be as little as two but I am reasonably sure it would be more than one year.

Den21vsBal19
03-14-2009, 11:35 AM
EMB even if Cutler gets traded McDaniels will get more than one year. It could be as little as two but I am reasonably sure it would be more than one year.
Lord I hope so........................I don't want us to become the Faiders MkII :eek:

silkamilkamonico
03-14-2009, 12:53 PM
Nope.

Cause the truth is, I dont know a Broncos organization that aint proud.


Stick yer head in the sand, that will help you.


And us.:coffee:

Yea, I don't know about you, but I've been proud of the worst defense arguably ever in Denver, 3 seasons of missed playoffs, and the biggest regular season NFL collapse of all time.

Who wouldn't!!

silkamilkamonico
03-14-2009, 12:56 PM
If we lose Cutler we are drafting top 5 next year.

With all due respect, we're not making the playoffs with the brutal schedule we have, and the fact that we're going through a transition on both offense and defense. The only way is winning the division, and we're not with the division with as good as SD is going to be next year.

It will make the 75% posters around here that want to "lose for a higher draft pick" proud.

Lonestar
03-14-2009, 04:47 PM
If we lose Cutler we are drafting top 5 next year.


and that would be bad? as bad as this DL is and Defense was the past two years I can dig it picking up some super talent..

I'm not advocating losing to lose but this is almost a totally rebuild here..with new schemes on both sides of the LOS and a complete and total ground up rebuild of the D..

Requiem / The Dagda
03-14-2009, 05:01 PM
Like I've said before, even with Cutler this team probably isn't going to the playoffs. Just my feeling. Scheme changes, coaching changes, a lot of new personnel. We're a work in progress. Cutler is a good quarterback, perhaps a great one already -- but it takes a complete team to get to the playoffs. Couple our inconsistencies with a brutal schedule and all the aforementioned and I think it'll make it darn tough to get to the post-season.

I'd like to see us get there, obviously -- but we have a hard reality to face.

WARHORSE
03-14-2009, 10:10 PM
Like I've said before, even with Cutler this team probably isn't going to the playoffs. Just my feeling. Scheme changes, coaching changes, a lot of new personnel. We're a work in progress. Cutler is a good quarterback, perhaps a great one already -- but it takes a complete team to get to the playoffs. Couple our inconsistencies with a brutal schedule and all the aforementioned and I think it'll make it darn tough to get to the post-season.

I'd like to see us get there, obviously -- but we have a hard reality to face.


Whoa............