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WARHORSE
03-11-2009, 03:01 PM
I think the Broncos are being a little two faced in this. One moment, you state this guy as the face of the franchise. You want him to represent the Broncos in positive ways, both on and off the field. You want him to be the leader vocally in supporting the front office.

Then you turn around and tell him, youre an employee JUST like everyone else............and can be traded like anyone else..............get in line?

Oh really? Just another employee?

I dont think so, and youre dumb if you treat him that way. FACT is, the QB IS the most important position, and if you try and strong arm him....DUMB MOVE.

Do other teams expect Peyton to be the face of the franchise? Brady? McNabb? Brees? Eli? Favre?

Do you tell Peyton hes just another employee?

Im not saying Cutler is Peyton, but what I am saying is more is expected from the quarterback when it comes to leadership both on and off the field.
Why do you want Cutler to be there at all the offseason workouts? Why is it more important for him than any other player? Because hes the face of the franchise? Because more is expected of him cause he sets the tone? Why is he in front of the press more? Why is he tutored to get involved with the community? Why did Pat say HES THE MAN AROUND HERE?

And now McDaniels wants to make the point: Youre just another Joe.

dumb with a capitol S.

DOES ANYONE HERE THINK INDIANAPOLIS WOULD STILL DO THE JOHN ELWAY TRADE? YOU DONT TRADE FRANCHISE QUARTERBACKS YOU CLOWNS!!!


I read an article once that said Adalius Thomas was struck by the 'Patriot Way' from the first practice. Reason why is Tom Brady made a mistake, and Belichick undressed him in front of the whole team. Tom took it in stride, and kept playing, being very humble in response, not ticked off.



If McDaniels is trying to install that sense of duty in the Broncos lockeroom, thats great. But you dont start off by telling Cutler hes the man, I cant wait to work with him, then spend two weeks prior to FAgency teaching him.................and then you listen to trade offers (not a problem listening).......and then you dont explain to Cutler what happened?

Instead, you want to force him to "GET IN LINE"?

Thats called backstabbing where Im from, also: TWO FACED.

Explain to your franchise QB that you heard the trade offers. FLATTER him with what you were offered for him. IMPRESS upon him that you slapped the offer to the floor.

THEN, reiterate to him that he is the face of the franchise.....and one of the things that you really want to instill in the Broncos lockeroom is the fact that NO ONE is above being asked to be FOCUSED, PREPARED, AND READY TO PLAY AT ALL TIMES INCLUDING PRACTICE. Tell him that is it VERY possible that you will 'undress' him in front of the team, and its very important that he set the tone with a humble, Im willing to be corrected cause this is about team type attitude, and about playing my best. His response should be: I WANT to be corrected.


That draws people on board.



But I guess you want to draw a line in the dirt..............:tsk:



Cutler is in year two and a half, and hes third in passing yards IN THE LEAGUE since he began starting in the second half of his rookie year.

If the Broncos trade Cutler.............I will call Bowlen the dumbest owner in sports.

Cause he runs the show.

EMB6903
03-11-2009, 03:03 PM
This bullshit would never happen if Shanny was still running things....


I guess it was the right move to fire him for a 32 year old kid though... right??

Thnikkaman
03-11-2009, 03:06 PM
Mods, please take this and every other McDanials v Cutler thread and merge them.

kthxbye

claymore
03-11-2009, 03:06 PM
War, I agree a 100%. I really hope all this can become the past and everyone laughs about it in 13 years.

WARHORSE
03-11-2009, 03:06 PM
Also, I think Jay would understand PERFECTLY, if you explained to him, that Detroit came with both number ones and a suggestion for Cassell. I think he also would understand if you told him you considered it.


But TALK to the dude, and stop treating the dude like a piece of meat.

Requiem / The Dagda
03-11-2009, 03:07 PM
I hope we're laughing too. Laughing that we shipped off the cry baby junker for awesome draft picks.

claymore
03-11-2009, 03:08 PM
Also, I think Jay would understand PERFECTLY, if you explained to him, that Detroit came with both number ones and a suggestion for Cassell. I think he also would understand if you told him you considered it.


But TALK to the dude, and stop treating the dude like a piece of meat.

I read today that the trade with detroit was basically them sending NE their number two..... And they send us cassell, and we send Detroit Cutler.

claymore
03-11-2009, 03:09 PM
I hope we're laughing too. Laughing that we shipped off the cry baby junker for awesome draft picks.

Nobody would give a draft pick for you. But that would be awesome.

Requiem / The Dagda
03-11-2009, 03:11 PM
Nobody would give a draft pick for you. But that would be awesome.

I agree, it would be awesome. I'd trade myself for a seventh rounder.

WARHORSE
03-11-2009, 03:51 PM
I hope we're laughing too. Laughing that we shipped off the cry baby junker for awesome draft picks.


Last I checked, draft picks dont win a thing.

What happens if you pick up Middlebrooks, Nash and George with those picks?

You get MONEY WOES for trading your franchise crybaby.


There were ALOT of people who said Elway was a crybaby too.


When Im looking at a menu with draftpicks and the sort on it............pass the crybaby please.:salute:

WARHORSE
03-11-2009, 03:52 PM
Mods, please take this and every other McDanials v Cutler thread and merge them.

kthxbye


Thank you o great realizer of threads that need to be merged.;)


You have an uncanny ability to alert Mods to situations like these.................is that like tattling?


Fact is, Im sick of wading through merged threads and posts. At least this way I can stay on cue for 10 or more posts.:coffee:

silkamilkamonico
03-11-2009, 03:55 PM
Elway was a crybaby that won.

Cutler is a crybaby that loses.

I'll take the crybaby that wins.......

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03-11-2009, 03:56 PM
Elway was a crybaby that won.

Cutler is a crybaby that loses.

I'll take the crybaby that wins.......

Silk, I love ya, man, but why do you dwell on W-L records?

Give Cutler at least an "average" defense, then trash him if he doesn't win . . . :tsk:

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TXBRONC
03-11-2009, 03:57 PM
I agree, it would be awesome. I'd trade myself for a seventh rounder.

I wouldn't trade"Mr. Irrelevant" for you Dream.

turftoad
03-11-2009, 04:00 PM
I hope we're laughing too. Laughing that we shipped off the cry baby junker for awesome draft picks.

UNproven picks that could turn into busts.

We already know what Cutler can do and we know his potential.

silkamilkamonico
03-11-2009, 04:01 PM
Silk, I love ya, man, but why do you dwell on W-L records?

Give Cutler at least an "average" defense, then trash him if he doesn't win . . . :tsk:

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I keep bringing it up because people keep bringing up Elway.

Why bring up Elway? They're 2 completely different QB's.

I'm going to continue to be irrational as long as everyone else is.

It's totally lame.....

"well Pat Bowlen wouldn't think about trading Elway......"

"well Elway was a crybaby too........."

"maybe we should have trade Elway too then........"

"Cutler has better stats then Elway..........."

"Elway also needed to grow up.........."

"Elway had a better defense....."

"Elway had talented too........."

"Cutler is the closest thing to Elway......"

"even Elway had more help then Cutler...."

"Elway Elway Cutler Elway Cutler Cutler Elway...."



I never thought I'd say it, but I think I'm sick and tired of John Elway too.

WARHORSE
03-11-2009, 04:02 PM
Elway was a crybaby that won.

Cutler is a crybaby that loses.

I'll take the crybaby that wins.......


Elway (sorry) lost early on too......in fact got benched.

Also, the defense has to be taken into account....

Are you slow?

turftoad
03-11-2009, 04:04 PM
Elway was a crybaby that won.

Cutler is a crybaby that loses.

I'll take the crybaby that wins.......

Elway won right away?? Elway was awesome right away??

I must have missed something. :tsk:

silkamilkamonico
03-11-2009, 04:04 PM
Elway (sorry) lost early on too......in fact got benched.

Also, the defense has to be taken into account....

Are you slow?

I'm not stupid enough to compare Jay Cutler to John Elway. That's stupidity at it's finest.

silkamilkamonico
03-11-2009, 04:06 PM
Elway won right away?? Elway was awesome right away??

I must have missed something. :tsk:

Who gives a ----.

Forget Elway. If you want to make a comparison to Cutler and his "team", enter Carson Palmer.

I love how people keep comparing Jay 'fickin' Cutler to arguably the greatest QB of all time.

No wonder why other fanbases laugh at DEnver fans.

LRtagger
03-11-2009, 04:06 PM
I read today that the trade with detroit was basically them sending NE their number two..... And they send us cassell, and we send Detroit Cutler.

No ****ing way!

WARHORSE
03-11-2009, 04:07 PM
I keep bringing it up because people keep bringing up Elway.

Why bring up Elway? They're 2 completely different QB's.

I'm going to continue to be irrational as long as everyone else is.

It's totally lame.....

"well Pat Bowlen wouldn't think about trading Elway......"

"well Elway was a crybaby too........."

"maybe we should have trade Elway too then........"

"Cutler has better stats then Elway..........."

"Elway also needed to grow up.........."

"Elway had a better defense....."

"Elway had talented too........."

"Cutler is the closest thing to Elway......"

"even Elway had more help then Cutler...."

"Elway Elway Cutler Elway Cutler Cutler Elway...."



I never thought I'd say it, but I think I'm sick and tired of John Elway too.


Did Ryan Leaf come in and throw for 4500 yards?

How about Alex Smith?

Akili Smith?

McNabb?

Palmer?

Brady?

Bledsoe?

Montana?

Elway?


Lets not be stupid and say Cutler is like a Vince Young, Leinart or some other clown................the kid is mobile, has a killer quick release (hence his sack numbers), and can make plays out of busted ones. He can elude a charging DT in his face with the best of them.

Cutler is a FRANCHISE QB.

Trade him, and you'll be the laughing stock of the league.:tsk:

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03-11-2009, 04:07 PM
Who gives a ----.

Forget Elway. If you want to make a comparison to Cutler and his "team", enter Carson Palmer.

I love how people keep comparing Jay 'fickin' Cutler to arguably the greatest QB of all time.

No wonder why other fanbases laugh at DEnver fans.

You make sense with some of this, buddy.

But I see plenty of idiots on rival boards . . .

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WARHORSE
03-11-2009, 04:09 PM
Who gives a ----.

Forget Elway. If you want to make a comparison to Cutler and his "team", enter Carson Palmer.

I love how people keep comparing Jay 'fickin' Cutler to arguably the greatest QB of all time.

No wonder why other fanbases laugh at DEnver fans.


What are you basing your stance on? The fact that hes complaining?

What is it that makes you think we should trade away Jay Cutler?

Medford Bronco
03-11-2009, 04:10 PM
Who gives a ----.

Forget Elway. If you want to make a comparison to Cutler and his "team", enter Carson Palmer.

I love how people keep comparing Jay 'fickin' Cutler to arguably the greatest QB of all time.

No wonder why other fanbases laugh at DEnver fans.

I would take Carson Palmer if healthy a million times over Cutler.

It is not even close for reading defenses.
Palmer does not force the ball like "stronger arm than Elway" does
am going to get fried :target: for that one but who cares
there is enough crying going on here to fill a River anyways.

silkamilkamonico
03-11-2009, 04:14 PM
Did Ryan Leaf come in and throw for 4500 yards?

How about Alex Smith?

Akili Smith?

McNabb?

Palmer?

Brady?

Bledsoe?

Montana?

Elway?


Lets not be stupid and say Cutler is like a Vince Young, Leinart or some other clown................the kid is mobile, has a killer quick release (hence his sack numbers), and can make plays out of busted ones. He can elude a charging DT in his face with the best of them.

Cutler is a FRANCHISE QB.

Trade him, and you'll be the laughing stock of the league.:tsk:

So is Joe Flacco, Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers, Kurt Warner, Matt Ryan, Jake Delhomme, Tony Romo, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, and Matt Hasselbeck and I don't see anyone comparing them to John Elway.

What a joke you guys are. Let's start comparing DJ WIlliams to Mike Singletary too while we're at it.

:rolleyes:

EMB6903
03-11-2009, 04:14 PM
I would take Carson Palmer if healthy a million times over Cutler.

It is not even close for reading defenses.
Palmer does not force the ball like "stronger arm than Elway" does
am going to get fried :target: for that one but who cares
there is enough crying going on here to fill a River anyways.

Palmer had 20 INTS in 2007 throwing less attempts then Cutler did in 2008

could you tell us why you would take Palmer "a million times" over Cutler?

Medford Bronco
03-11-2009, 04:15 PM
What are you basing your stance on? The fact that hes complaining?

What is it that makes you think we should trade away Jay Cutler?

This guy is a diva. He is such a baby and needs to grow up.

sorry but what has he actually done in the NFL besides pad his stats
and show flashes of brilliance?

He also pads his ints as well and "dumb" throws in the red zone.
If he did a better job vs Buffalo and Oak at home none of this happens anyways.

I compare him to Jeff George. Very talented but not the sharpest knife in the box.

He will never change, at least not in Denver.

His whole life has been about everyone bowing down to him.
Now his coach actually wants him to work hard ala Tom Brady and Cassel.

He has more "ability" than them but right now certainly does not act like a professional like those two have and will.

Hate Brady but he is amongst the hardest workers in football.
Think Cassel is a "system" QB fine, but you dont just sit on the bench for 4 years and then go 11-5 by accident. Yes has talent but if you put Patrick Ramsey or any other backup on NE last year without knowing the offense, they go 9-7 at best.

okay ready for the Cutler fanatics to rain on me :flame: :target:

TXBRONC
03-11-2009, 04:15 PM
I would take Carson Palmer if healthy a million times over Cutler.

It is not even close for reading defenses.
Palmer does not force the ball like "stronger arm than Elway" does
am going to get fried :target: for that one but who cares
there is enough crying going on here to fill a River anyways.


I guess that's why threw 20 interceptions in 2007, because he doesn't force the ball.

Medford Bronco
03-11-2009, 04:16 PM
Palmer had 20 INTS in 2007 throwing less attempts then Cutler did in 2008

could you tell us why you would take Palmer "a million times" over Cutler?

Because his ability to read a defense is better in his whole career

and he is not a lightning rod for controvrsey like this kid is and who
seems to never be happy about anything.

silkamilkamonico
03-11-2009, 04:18 PM
What is it that makes you think we should trade away Jay Cutler?

Who said I thought we should trade Jay Cutler?

TXBRONC
03-11-2009, 04:18 PM
Because his ability to read a defense is better in his whole career

and he is not a lightning rod for controvrsey like this kid is and who
seems to never be happy about anything.

Again he threw 20 interceptions in 2007 because he reads defense better.

Medford Bronco
03-11-2009, 04:19 PM
I guess that's why threw 20 interceptions in 2007, because he doesn't force the ball.

Right Palmer sux and Culter is better than Joe Montana I forgot

Please :rolleyes:

maybe Palmers team suck as well.

At least he has been to the playoffs before and did win a National Championship but that stands for nothing right.

What has "strong arm" Cutler ever accomplished?

Player of the week in week 1 woooooooo yeah

Thnikkaman
03-11-2009, 04:19 PM
You know what. Its a game. Its a game that grown men get paid millions of dollars to play. Yes I know that they are sacrificing their bodies to play it, but this day and age, joints can be replaced, and its up to the player to know when their body has had enough. Jay, you aren't the next coming of Elway, Montana, or Farve. You are working on making your own name. Right now, I could give a **** weather you make it in Denver or anywhere else.

McDaniels, I understand you are trying to bring the anyman attitude of the Patriots here. Guess what, you have to earn that kind of respect before you demand that type of respect. You aren't Billecheck. Get the players used to your scheme. Establish yourself. Show us that your football knowledge works. Then pull this shit.

I'm done with this subject. Fire em both and they can go sell cell phones in the mall.

silkamilkamonico
03-11-2009, 04:21 PM
Palmer had 20 INTS in 2007 throwing less attempts then Cutler did in 2008

could you tell us why you would take Palmer "a million times" over Cutler?

When you're running game is significantly worse then Denver's you have to take even more chances.

topscribe
03-11-2009, 04:21 PM
I would take Carson Palmer if healthy a million times over Cutler.

It is not even close for reading defenses.
Palmer does not force the ball like "stronger arm than Elway" does
am going to get fried :target: for that one but who cares
there is enough crying going on here to fill a River anyways.

In his second year, Palmer completed 60.9% for 2,897 yds, 6.7 YPC, 18 TDs, 18 INTs, and a 77.3 QB rating.

In 2007, Palmer completed 64.9% for 4,131 yds, 7.2 YPC, 26 TDs, 20 INTs, for a 86.7 rating.

Compare that to Cutler last year: 62.3%, 4,526 yds, 7.3 YPC, 25 TDs, 18 INTs, and a 86.0 rating.

Nope, I think I would hang onto Cutler. :coffee:

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WARHORSE
03-11-2009, 04:22 PM
I would take Carson Palmer if healthy a million times over Cutler.

It is not even close for reading defenses.
Palmer does not force the ball like "stronger arm than Elway" does
am going to get fried :target: for that one but who cares
there is enough crying going on here to fill a River anyways.

Carson Palmer

2003 never played

2004 - 2897 yards, 18 TDs, 18 INTs

2005- 3836 yards 32 TDs, 12 INTs

2006- 4035 yards 28 TDs, 13 INTs

2007- 4131 yards 26 TDs, 20 INTs

2008- 731 yards 3 TDs, 4 INTs

:coffee:

In 6 seasons Palmer: 15,630 yards......107 TDs.......67 INTs.....3.1 INT%


Cutler in 3 seasons: 9,024 yards.........54 TDs........37 INTs......3.0 INT%




Considering I think Jay will get better......not worse.......


PASS THE JAY CUTLER PLEASE..........:salute:

EMB6903
03-11-2009, 04:25 PM
Because his ability to read a defense is better in his whole career

and he is not a lightning rod for controvrsey like this kid is and who
seems to never be happy about anything.


Palmer has had an 18 int season, and a 20 int season yet never has thrown the ball 580+ times...

Cutler had 18 this year while throwing the ball 616 times, He has no problem reading defenses when throwing the ball over 600 times there are gonna be some times you force some passes into double coverage... esspecially when you have the confidence Cutler has.... thats not because he cant read a defense


I cant believe fans want to actually trade a franchise player over the way hes acting off the field...

Medford Bronco
03-11-2009, 04:25 PM
Carson Palmer

2003 never played

2004 - 2897 yards, 18 TDs, 18 INTs

2005- 3836 yards 32 TDs, 12 INTs

2006- 4035 yards 28 TDs, 13 INTs

2007- 4131 yards 26 TDs, 20 INTs

2008- 731 yards 3 TDs, 4 INTs

:coffee:

In 6 seasons Palmer: 15,630 yards......107 TDs.......67 INTs.....3.1 INT%


Cutler in 3 seasons: 9,024 yards.........54 TDs........37 INTs......3.0 INT%




Considering I think Jay will get better......not worse.......


PASS THE JAY CUTLER PLEASE..........:salute:


Thanks for the Stats but I go by what my eyes have told me.

I think Palmer is better and played on worse teams. He has to be healthy
though.

Also his attitude is a million times better as well.

ready for the :flame:

Medford Bronco
03-11-2009, 04:26 PM
Palmer has had an 18 int season, and a 20 int season yet never has thrown the ball 580+ times...

Cutler had 18 this year while throwing the ball 616 times, He has no problem reading defenses when throwing the ball over 600 times there are gonna be some times you force some passes into double coverage... esspecially when you have the confidence Cutler has.... thats not because he cant read a defense


I cant believe fans want to actually trade a franchise player just because hows hes acting off the field... UNBELIEVABLE

sorry we disagree, you are not the one to judge. right.

topscribe
03-11-2009, 04:26 PM
Because his ability to read a defense is better in his whole career

and he is not a lightning rod for controvrsey like this kid is and who
seems to never be happy about anything.

Did Palmer have a hotshot kid come in, try to trade him, then lie about it?

I know Cutler doesn't reserve his opinions well, but how often have you heard him complain for himself?

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TXBRONC
03-11-2009, 04:26 PM
Right Palmer sux and Culter is better than Joe Montana I forgot
Please :rolleyes:

maybe Palmers team suck as well.

At least he has been to the playoffs before and did win a National Championship but that stands for nothing right.

What has "strong arm" Cutler ever accomplished?

Player of the week in week 1 woooooooo yeah

I didn't say Palmer sux.

Yep his has suxed and you're willing to look past it.

By the you get facts straight Palmer did not win a National Championship, Leinart won two National Championships with USC.

Oooh Palmer has been to playoffs all of one time and how did that turn out Med.

TXBRONC
03-11-2009, 04:27 PM
sorry we disagree, you are not the one to judge. right.

Friend then none of us are.

EMB6903
03-11-2009, 04:27 PM
When you're running game is significantly worse then Denver's you have to take even more chances.

Worse??

Ill have to disagree Denver went through what 6 rb's this year? Cinci's offense in 2007 was still pretty stacked as well, and Cutler had more pass attempts in 2008 then Palmer in 2007..

Medford Bronco
03-11-2009, 04:28 PM
I didn't say Palmer sux.

Yep his has suxed and you're willing to look past it.

By the you get facts straight Palmer did not win a National Championship, Leinart won two National Championships with USC.

Oooh Palmer has been to playoffs all of one time and how did that turn out Med.

It turned out that he was cheap shotted by a Pits D lineman that could have ended his career that is how.

I am done

bye

I wish I hated football after reading this forum

WARHORSE
03-11-2009, 04:30 PM
Thanks for the Stats but I go by what my eyes have told me.

I think Palmer is better and played on worse teams. He has to be healthy
though.

Also his attitude is a million times better as well.

ready for the :flame:

We cant flame ya for opinion right? Afterall......its your opinion.




Glad you climbed aboard the Carson caboose.


This is Broncos country and we're talkin about how you treat your franchise Broncos QB......


Besides......I dont remember the Bengals trying to trade Carson.;)

Requiem / The Dagda
03-11-2009, 04:31 PM
UNproven picks that could turn into busts.

We already know what Cutler can do and we know his potential.

Yep, and all the potential in the world won't matter when he has the mentality of a toddler and won't learn from his mistakes.

EMB6903
03-11-2009, 04:35 PM
Yep, and all the potential in the world won't matter when he has the mentality of a toddler and won't learn from his mistakes.

what says he wont learn from his mistakes?

BeefStew25
03-11-2009, 04:35 PM
Yep, and all the potential in the world won't matter when he has the mentality of a toddler and won't learn from his mistakes.

Quit beating yourself up. You will eventually learn.

GEM
03-11-2009, 04:44 PM
I hope we're laughing too. Laughing that we shipped off the cry baby junker for awesome draft picks.

That could turn into awesome nothings with a huge cap hit in 2 years. Don't OVER value the draft. Proven commodities are a lot different than some guy you pick up in the draft who has a 50/50 shot of being a bust.

fcspikeit
03-11-2009, 04:49 PM
I think the Broncos are being a little two faced in this. One moment, you state this guy as the face of the franchise. You want him to represent the Broncos in positive ways, both on and off the field. You want him to be the leader vocally in supporting the front office.

Then you turn around and tell him, youre an employee JUST like everyone else............and can be traded like anyone else..............get in line?

Oh really? Just another employee?

I dont think so, and youre dumb if you treat him that way. FACT is, the QB IS the most important position, and if you try and strong arm him....DUMB MOVE.

Do other teams expect Peyton to be the face of the franchise? Brady? McNabb? Brees? Eli? Favre?

Do you tell Peyton hes just another employee?

Im not saying Cutler is Peyton, but what I am saying is more is expected from the quarterback when it comes to leadership both on and off the field.
Why do you want Cutler to be there at all the offseason workouts? Why is it more important for him than any other player? Because hes the face of the franchise? Because more is expected of him cause he sets the tone? Why is he in front of the press more? Why is he tutored to get involved with the community? Why did Pat say HES THE MAN AROUND HERE?

And now McDaniels wants to make the point: Youre just another Joe.

dumb with a capitol S.

DOES ANYONE HERE THINK INDIANAPOLIS WOULD STILL DO THE JOHN ELWAY TRADE? YOU DONT TRADE FRANCHISE QUARTERBACKS YOU CLOWNS!!!


I read an article once that said Adalius Thomas was struck by the 'Patriot Way' from the first practice. Reason why is Tom Brady made a mistake, and Belichick undressed him in front of the whole team. Tom took it in stride, and kept playing, being very humble in response, not ticked off.



If McDaniels is trying to install that sense of duty in the Broncos lockeroom, thats great. But you dont start off by telling Cutler hes the man, I cant wait to work with him, then spend two weeks prior to FAgency teaching him.................and then you listen to trade offers (not a problem listening).......and then you dont explain to Cutler what happened?

Instead, you want to force him to "GET IN LINE"?

Thats called backstabbing where Im from, also: TWO FACED.

Explain to your franchise QB that you heard the trade offers. FLATTER him with what you were offered for him. IMPRESS upon him that you slapped the offer to the floor.

THEN, reiterate to him that he is the face of the franchise.....and one of the things that you really want to instill in the Broncos lockeroom is the fact that NO ONE is above being asked to be FOCUSED, PREPARED, AND READY TO PLAY AT ALL TIMES INCLUDING PRACTICE. Tell him that is it VERY possible that you will 'undress' him in front of the team, and its very important that he set the tone with a humble, Im willing to be corrected cause this is about team type attitude, and about playing my best. His response should be: I WANT to be corrected.


That draws people on board.



But I guess you want to draw a line in the dirt..............:tsk:



Cutler is in year two and a half, and hes third in passing yards IN THE LEAGUE since he began starting in the second half of his rookie year.

If the Broncos trade Cutler.............I will call Bowlen the dumbest owner in sports.

Cause he runs the show.

Great post WAR :salute: I agree 100% with everything you said..

I would like to see McKid have the type of relationship where he could yell at Cutler. I would expect Cutler to be able to take it. But to get to that point there must be some trust and commitment between the 2.

McKid doesn't seem to know how to build the relationship to that point..

fcspikeit
03-11-2009, 04:52 PM
Thank you o great realizer of threads that need to be merged.;)


You have an uncanny ability to alert Mods to situations like these.................is that like tattling?


Fact is, Im sick of wading through merged threads and posts. At least this way I can stay on cue for 10 or more posts.:coffee:

Yes, please don't merge this thread.. It sucks being 10 + pages behind.. You end up with one whole page of your responses if you choose to read through all the back pages..

fcspikeit
03-11-2009, 05:04 PM
That could turn into awesome nothings with a huge cap hit in 2 years. Don't OVER value the draft. Proven commodities are a lot different than some guy you pick up in the draft who has a 50/50 shot of being a bust.

Your being generous with the 50/50.. ;) There are a lot more bust's then there are actual starters at the QB position. Let alone franchise QB's..

Anyways, Good point! :beer:

atwater27
03-11-2009, 05:25 PM
I hope we're laughing too. Laughing that we shipped off the cry baby junker for awesome draft picks.

Please.

atwater27
03-11-2009, 05:30 PM
Right Palmer sux and Culter is better than Joe Montana I forgot

Please :rolleyes:

maybe Palmers team suck as well.

At least he has been to the playoffs before and did win a National Championship but that stands for nothing right.

What has "strong arm" Cutler ever accomplished?

Player of the week in week 1 woooooooo yeah

Roll your eyes and bust on Cutty all you want. We can talk in a season or 2 after he is traded and we are stuck with an losing team and a shitty QB. YAY!!!

atwater27
03-11-2009, 05:33 PM
Yep, and all the potential in the world won't matter when he has the mentality of a toddler and won't learn from his mistakes.

Must... not.... type what everyone is thinking.... Be nice atty....

TXBRONC
03-11-2009, 05:37 PM
Roll your eyes and bust on Cutty all you want. We can talk in a season or 2 after he is traded and we are stuck with an losing team and a shitty QB. YAY!!!

A lot can happen in two years, it's possible that they get this worked out and the team starts being successful.

WARHORSE
03-11-2009, 05:59 PM
I'm not stupid enough to compare Jay Cutler to John Elway. That's stupidity at it's finest.


Compare him to Ryan Leaf then.

He was a crybaby too.

Stupidity at its finest.

Requiem / The Dagda
03-11-2009, 06:06 PM
That could turn into awesome nothings with a huge cap hit in 2 years. Don't OVER value the draft. Proven commodities are a lot different than some guy you pick up in the draft who has a 50/50 shot of being a bust.

What has Cutler exactly proven?

Requiem / The Dagda
03-11-2009, 06:09 PM
what says he wont learn from his mistakes?

Julius Caesar, the die has already been cast. Nah.

Want an honest opinion? Gunslinger mentality. He has it. I don't think he'll ever get to the level where his decision making improves to the point where he doesn't make stupid decisions. I think his confidence in his arm and swagger (which I like) will predispose him to force his decision making. I most certainly could be wrong. I hope I am wrong. Then again, if Cutler keeps whining like a little baby, ignoring the phone calls of the owner who writes his checks, etc. -- I hope he gets dealt from the team.

atwater27
03-11-2009, 06:11 PM
What has Cutler exactly proven?

That he couldn't do it all for a team that gave up 28 points and 475 yards a game. And no other QB in the league could do it either. LYNCH HIM!!!

EMB6903
03-11-2009, 06:11 PM
What has Cutler exactly proven?

Cutler has proven he can make every NFL throw as well as producing on a consistent basis.. Didnt the guy make the probowl while setting a franchise record in passing yards?

Requiem / The Dagda
03-11-2009, 06:14 PM
That he couldn't do it all for a team that gave up 28 points and 475 yards a game. And no other QB in the league could do it either. LYNCH HIM!!!

I love Cutler, don't get me wrong -- but honestly. The guy isn't above the team. If McDaniels decides that moving forward without Jay is best for the team, that's his prerogative. I'd be a little disheartened if we got rid of him, because I'm not sure how we'd do next season with who we have got -- but we'd have to move on.

In an ideal world, this all gets repaired -- but will it? I have a feeling that Jay might not even want to be here once his rookie deal is up just because of this. Which would suck, seeing him walk would be worse than trading him -- essentially because we would get nothing besides a ******* third round compensatory selection.

GEM
03-11-2009, 06:15 PM
What has Cutler exactly proven?

4500 yards on a team with a terrible defense. Explosive arm strength. Leader of the #2 offense in the league.

Better question here is....
What has Jarvis Moss proven. He was a #1 draft pick right?

atwater27
03-11-2009, 06:15 PM
Cutler has proven he can make every NFL throw as well as producing on a consistent basis.. Didnt the guy make the probowl while setting a franchise record in passing yards?

No EMB. Everyone who voted him to the Pro Bowl was wrong. He's Ryan Leaf and Jeff George's love child. Oh wait. and Mel Kiper was wanking it in the corner while he was conceived. All the Cutler haters. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

EMB6903
03-11-2009, 06:16 PM
Julius Caesar, the die has already been cast. Nah.

Want an honest opinion? Gunslinger mentality. He has it. I don't think he'll ever get to the level where his decision making improves to the point where he doesn't make stupid decisions. I think his confidence in his arm and swagger (which I like) will predispose him to force his decision making. I most certainly could be wrong. I hope I am wrong. Then again, if Cutler keeps whining like a little baby, ignoring the phone calls of the owner who writes his checks, etc. -- I hope he gets dealt from the team.

That all depends with how the talent is around him, Cutler through out his entire career at Vandy and with Denver has felt like he has to go out and win it or his team would get the loss... Which is true, I dont think 18 ints is that bad when you look at the 620 attempts he had

Give Cutler a top 15 defense that can actually get off the field on 3rd downs as well as a running back that defenses fear and I think the mistakes will be cut down by a lot.

Requiem / The Dagda
03-11-2009, 06:20 PM
4500 yards on a team with a terrible defense. Explosive arm strength. Leader of the #2 offense in the league.

Inconsistency in his decision making, forcing throws, fumbling the ball, poor attitude on the field and off the field. . .


Better question here is....
What has Jarvis Moss proven. He was a #1 draft pick right?

Wasn't a fan of Jarvis Moss at Florida, argued hard against us being interested in him or considering drafting him and continued to be critical since he got here. Yep, I realize that in the draft there are no sure bets (I really don't need to be lectured on the draft, so I don't see why we're having this conversation) -- but do you think it is a sure thing that Cutler wants to be here as a Bronco (meaning that he'll resign) after all of this?

Picks and players can be welcomed in any potential trade for Cutler. If the offer for Cutler is worth it, the team should listen. Any logical coach or general manager would.

Requiem / The Dagda
03-11-2009, 06:23 PM
That all depends with how the talent is around him, Cutler through out his entire career at Vandy and with Denver has felt like he has to go out and win it or his team would get the loss... Which is true, I dont think 18 ints is that bad when you look at the 620 attempts he had

Give Cutler a top 15 defense that can actually get off the field on 3rd downs as well as a running back that defenses fear and I think the mistakes will be cut down by a lot.

Cutler's mentality will still exist whether the defense gets us off the field or not. However, I do agree that would help in some result. To be objective, you might also want to think how Denver consistently being behind and Denver having to toss up the ball a lot inflated the stats which so many here speak highly of in regards to what he has proven. Just realize those will go down if Denver has anything resembling a defense on the field and a solidified running attack.

Like I've said, I like Cutler -- but it may get to the point where dealing him is in better interest of the team than keeping him. From several standpoints. I don't think it is there yet, but if the relationship(s) can't be mended -- we'll have to find a way to move on. Which would be pretty disheartening, as I've said -- because Cutler is pretty damn good.

GEM
03-11-2009, 06:23 PM
Inconsistency in his decision making, forcing throws, fumbling the ball, poor attitude on the field and off the field. . .



Wasn't a fan of Jarvis Moss at Florida, argued hard against us being interested in him or considering drafting him and continued to be critical since he got here. Yep, I realize that in the draft there are no sure bets (I really don't need to be lectured on the draft, so I don't see why we're having this conversation) -- but do you think it is a sure thing that Cutler wants to be here as a Bronco (meaning that he'll resign) after all of this?

Picks and players can be welcomed in any potential trade for Cutler. If the offer for Cutler is worth it, the team should listen. Any logical coach or general manager would.

The issue is that we have no clue how this first draft under the new guys is going to go. We trade Cutler and get 2 #1's which is a boatload of friggen money, and there is no guarantee that any of them are going to actually be successful here.

I know, you don't need to be lectured on the draft. :rolleyes: I wasn't lecturing you, I merely mentioned that draft picks aren't guaranteed. So save the snide remarks, they aren't needed.Having a conversation isn't lecturing, perhaps you should take some reading comprehension before telling me what I'm doing wrong in a conversation.

Requiem / The Dagda
03-11-2009, 06:26 PM
The issue is that we have no clue how this first draft under the new guys is going to go. We trade Cutler and get 2 #1's which is a boatload of friggen money, and there is no guarantee that any of them are going to actually be successful here.

Just like there is ambiguity as to Cutler's desire to stay in Denver after all of this.


I know, you don't need to be lectured on the draft. :rolleyes: I wasn't lecturing you, I merely mentioned that draft picks aren't guaranteed. So save the snide remarks, they aren't needed.

It wasn't a snide remark. Just stating a fact. I know draft picks aren't guaranteed.

EMB6903
03-11-2009, 06:28 PM
Cutler's mentality will still exist whether the defense gets us off the field or not. However, I do agree that would help in some result. To be objective, you might also want to think how Denver consistently being behind and Denver having to toss up the ball a lot inflated the stats which so many here speak highly of in regards to what he has proven. Just realize those will go down if Denver has anything resembling a defense on the field and a solidified running attack.

Like I've said, I like Cutler -- but it may get to the point where dealing him is in better interest of the team than keeping him. From several standpoints. I don't think it is there yet, but if the relationship(s) can't be mended -- we'll have to find a way to move on. Which would be pretty disheartening, as I've said -- because Cutler is pretty damn good.


Yes it will still excist,, but not nearly as much when only having to throw it 25 times a game instead of 40... I agree with you on Cutlers stats being a little misleading BOTH ways because Denver was behind so much.... I dont think a better run game would affect his stats though, if anything I think he would have a lot more pass TD's.

Once Cutler gets that RB that defenses fear enough to put 8 in the box on a consistent basis, Watch out.

GEM
03-11-2009, 06:29 PM
Just like there is ambiguity as to Cutler's desire to stay in Denver after all of this.



It wasn't a snide remark. Just stating a fact. I know draft picks aren't guaranteed.

But you are ok with trading our franchise qb for 2 1st round high pay could be busts. :shrugs: mmmkay.

fcspikeit
03-11-2009, 06:30 PM
What has Cutler exactly proven?

A hell of a lot more then McKid has.. :coffee:

Slick
03-11-2009, 06:30 PM
What has Cutler exactly proven?

...that when the defense shows up, he wins games, even without a strong running game.

You can't deny that babycakes.

This whole situation bugs me. I can't believe it's gone this far, and there's plenty of blame to go around on both sides.

Requiem / The Dagda
03-11-2009, 06:32 PM
...that when the defense shows up, he wins games, even without a strong running game.

Right.


You can't deny that babycakes.

Never said I would or could.


This whole situation bugs me. I can't believe it's gone this far, and there's plenty of blame to go around on both sides.

Bugs me too, and I agree with the blame to go around on both sides. I blame McDaniels and Xanders for the faulty communication from the get go regarding the trade. I don't blame them for entertaining the calls of others or stating that any player can be moved. After the post-communication issues, I'll put my fault on Cutler for how he has reacted and continued to act. It has been embarrassing.

Requiem / The Dagda
03-11-2009, 06:35 PM
But you are ok with trading our franchise qb for 2 1st round high pay could be busts. :shrugs: mmmkay.

I am okay with trading Jay Cutler if it gets to the point where it is likely that Jay will not resign with the team or that it would be in the best interest of the team overall. I would rather get value for Jay than have him walk when his contract is up. It isn't something I'm advocating for the sake of just acquiring picks or to unleash him. Cutler on this team next year with a positive attitude and a head looking forward would mean more to me than any draft pick ever could.

Trading him is an option only for me (well, something I'd want) if it looks like things won't ever get better, that he'd be likely to leave and to get the best value possible before doing so. I just thought I'd quantify that more to clear up any confusion. Hope I did so.

fcspikeit
03-11-2009, 06:37 PM
Just like there is ambiguity as to Cutler's desire to stay in Denver after all of this.

Being told your expendable is not an easy thing to get over, I wouldn't blame him if he does want out.. I hope he doesn't but it would be hard to blame him.

The thing is, Cutler knows there are plenty of teams who would value him a lot more then McKid does. Who wouldn't he rather play for a team like that?

If someone were willing to give up a couple 1st's for him it is a nice vote of confidence. That's the kind of team you want to go out and work your butt off for..

It's hard to give it your all to make a coach look good who doesn't want you..

Requiem / The Dagda
03-11-2009, 06:40 PM
I wouldn't blame him either, and if the Broncos Brass feel that it is likely that Jay will depart and not seek furthering his career in Denver because of an non-repairable relationship with Josh McDaniels, than trading him would be in our best interest. Just my opinion. I'd hate to see him walk and get minimal value (compensatory selection) in return.

Slick
03-11-2009, 06:41 PM
Right.



Never said I would or could.



Bugs me too, and I agree with the blame to go around on both sides. I blame McDaniels and Xanders for the faulty communication from the get go regarding the trade. I don't blame them for entertaining the calls of others or stating that any player can be moved. After the post-communication issues, I'll put my fault on Cutler for how he has reacted and continued to act. It has been embarrassing.

Someone started a thread, short term memory loss prevents me from remembering which one it was. I said I'd entertain trade offers for anyone on this team less Cutler and Clady, but I agree, you can't hate on the front office for listening. I think Jay completely took it the wrong way, and the front office has done nothing to reassure him, the team or us as fans. To me, that is what's most frustrating. If they(the FO)reached out to Jay, it seems that he is being too much of a beyotch now, to even listen to them. It's a sad, sorry ass drama IMO. I'm glad I don't get ESPN from Bristol. I might pull an Elvis on my LCD.

fcspikeit
03-11-2009, 06:41 PM
I am okay with trading Jay Cutler if it gets to the point where it is likely that Jay will not resign with the team or that it would be in the best interest of the team overall. I would rather get value for Jay than have him walk when his contract is up. It isn't something I'm advocating for the sake of just acquiring picks or to unleash him. Cutler on this team next year with a positive attitude and a head looking forward would mean more to me than any draft pick ever could.

Trading him is an option only for me (well, something I'd want) if it looks like things won't ever get better, that he'd be likely to leave and to get the best value possible before doing so. I just thought I'd quantify that more to clear up any confusion. Hope I did so.


Didn't you just say you were OK with McKid looking into trading him?

That was before there was any question of him holding out or not resigning with the team.

Requiem / The Dagda
03-11-2009, 06:44 PM
Didn't you just say you were OK with McKid looking into trading him?

That was before there was any question of him holding out or not resigning with the team.

Yeah, I am fine with McDaniels looking to trade him, as I would anybody. He has the right to do that. It is a part of his job. If he traded Jay Cutler because he feels it is in the best interest of the Denver Broncos, so be it. At this point in time, I don't think it would -- unless my statement would act as a qualifier.

If Cutler shows up to Denver on Monday, I think the trade talk will come to an end. If Cutler doesn't show up Monday, it'll muddle the situation more. Sad but true, Jay has a lot if not the most leverage in this situation. Not only do I think it is sad, but I think it is scary.

fcspikeit
03-11-2009, 06:50 PM
Someone started a thread, short term memory loss prevents me from remembering which one it was. I said I'd entertain trade offers for anyone on this team less Cutler and Clady, but I agree, you can't hate on the front office for listening. I think Jay completely took it the wrong way, and the front office has done nothing to reassure him, the team or us as fans. To me, that is what's most frustrating. If they(the FO)reached out to Jay, it seems that he is being too much of a beyotch now, to even listen to them. It's a sad, sorry ass drama IMO. I'm glad I don't get ESPN from Bristol. I might pull an Elvis on my LCD.

By even entertaining the trade talks, they are saying Cutler is expendable. Isn't that were this all went wrong. Cutler now feels McKid thinks he is expendable/replaceable. That's why he was upset from the beginning. Then McKid furthers that belief by reiterating to Cutler, he is expendable..

We both know there are teams that would kill for Cutler as their QB. They would value him as a franchise QB and commit to him long term, the question is, why isn't McKid seeing the same thing? I believe if McKid would commit to Cutler long term Cutler would be able to put this all behind him..

I don't care what the FO is saying, Cutler isn't feeling the Broncos are willing to commit to him. Therefore if they really do want to commit to him they are saying the wrong thing. And not getting their point across.


I'm not saying they shouldn't have answered the phone and then said no. The problem is almost no one believes that's what they did. It's pretty common knowledge the trade talks were serious.

Slick
03-11-2009, 07:00 PM
By even entertaining the trade talks, they are saying Cutler is expendable. Isn't that were this all went wrong. Cutler now feels McKid thinks he is expendable/replaceable. That's why he was upset from the beginning. Then McKid furthers that belief by reiterating to Cutler, he is expendable..

We both know there are teams that would kill for Cutler as their QB. They would value him as a franchise QB and commit to him long term, the question is, why isn't McKid seeing the same thing? I believe if McKid would commit to Cutler long term Cutler would be able to put this all behind him..

I don't care what the FO is saying, Cutler isn't feeling the Broncos are willing to commit to him. Therefore if they really do want to commit to him they are saying the wrong thing. And not getting their point across.


I'm not saying they shouldn't have answered the phone and then said no. The problem is almost no one believes that's what they did. It's pretty common knowledge the trade talks were serious.

All good points fc. I just think Cutler needs to be a man about it. I seriously doubt there is a QB in this years draft that can fill Cutler's shoes, but I think that McD thought if he could get Cassel and some draft picks it would benefit this team in the long run. Whether he's right about that or not, I don't know.

I like Cutler on the field for the most part, much better than any of our QB's since Elway, but for someone who is as intelligent as he is, he needs to grow up. I'm sure his agent is in his ear, and Jay's listening. It's obvious. I'm just ready for this to go away. I hope it does.

fcspikeit
03-11-2009, 07:20 PM
All good points fc. I just think Cutler needs to be a man about it. I seriously doubt there is a QB in this years draft that can fill Cutler's shoes, but I think that McD thought if he could get Cassel and some draft picks it would benefit this team in the long run. Whether he's right about that or not, I don't know.

I like Cutler on the field for the most part, much better than any of our QB's since Elway, but for someone who is as intelligent as he is, he needs to grow up. I'm sure his agent is in his ear, and Jay's listening. It's obvious. I'm just ready for this to go away. I hope it does.

But we didn't get Cassel, so why is McKid still making Cutler feel he could be traded?

They keep saying it's just a business, So should Cutler look at it the same way? If he does, would it better for him to put up with McKid or try and force them to trade him to someone who doesn't feel he is expendable?

If he decides to hold out, it isn't because he is being a baby, it's because he will finally be looking at it like a business and not looking at it as a player should commit to a team and vise verse. At this point I have a hard time believing it isn't in Cutlers best interest's to hold out and force the trade.

More then anything else I want this to go away, I want Cutler to be the Broncos QB next year. But I don't see McKid changing his opinion of Cutler.. I don't think it would be fair for Cutler to have to put up with that if there is another team who is willing to tread him better and commit to him long term.

It's not like Cutler is over valuing himself here, many teams would be willing to give up a lot to get Cutler. He is just asking to be treated with the value the league has on him. Mckid doesn't seem to have the same value. Why should Cutler have to suck it up and deal with that?

arizonakid22
03-11-2009, 07:26 PM
All good points fc. I just think Cutler needs to be a man about it. I seriously doubt there is a QB in this years draft that can fill Cutler's shoes, but I think that McD thought if he could get Cassel and some draft picks it would benefit this team in the long run. Whether he's right about that or not, I don't know.

I like Cutler on the field for the most part, much better than any of our QB's since Elway, but for someone who is as intelligent as he is, he needs to grow up. I'm sure his agent is in his ear, and Jay's listening. It's obvious. I'm just ready for this to go away. I hope it does.

I stated this somewhere else, but I really think the issue is with Pat and Jay. Jay did not react well when Mike was let go, he blasted the FO for the move. This was way before Josh was hired. Josh came into a shit storm. Jay Culter brought this situation on himself by not keeping his mouth shut and running to the media every chance he got. Now the whole situation is totally out of control. If Cutler does not report, trade him to who ever pick up a QB and move on.

For the record I do not think we are better off without Jay, but I also believe that this situation is a few decisions away from crossing the point of no return. I also do not think Josh is to blame, he was given direction from the big boss. (Maybe the goodman's got let go because pat said he wanted to trade Jay and they said no way).

Poet
03-11-2009, 07:28 PM
Palmer had 20 INTS in 2007 throwing less attempts then Cutler did in 2008

could you tell us why you would take Palmer "a million times" over Cutler?

Palmer threw 20 ints because he was on a team with the worst offensive line this side of the AFC, he had one of the worst defenses in the NFL, he has the worst offensive coordinator in the history of....the world.

Carson Palmer is still a damn beast. I'm not being a homer, he is a younger stud QB who is more proven that Cutler.

Would I take him over Cutler? As a stand alone player, yes. Would I take him over Cutler by that much of an extent? No. Only because of his injuries though.

Poet
03-11-2009, 07:29 PM
I guess that's why threw 20 interceptions in 2007, because he doesn't force the ball.

About half of his INTs came when his team was trailing by more than 14 points and he was forced to throw into coverage. I literally watched every last game in 2007 and that is the truth. When your defense is consistently ranked in the 30's in every defensive category, you are forced to throw the ball.

Slick
03-11-2009, 07:47 PM
But we didn't get Cassel, so why is McKid still making Cutler feel he could be traded?

They keep saying it's just a business, So should Cutler look at it the same way? If he does, would it better for him to put up with McKid or try and force them to trade him to someone who doesn't feel he is expendable?

If he decides to hold out, it isn't because he is being a baby, it's because he will finally be looking at it like a business and not looking at it as a player should commit to a team and vise verse. At this point I have a hard time believing it isn't in Cutlers best interest's to hold out and force the trade.

More then anything else I want this to go away, I want Cutler to be the Broncos QB next year. But I don't see McKid changing his opinion of Cutler.. I don't think it would be fair for Cutler to have to put up with that if there is another team who is willing to tread him better and commit to him long term.

It's not like Cutler is over valuing himself here, many teams would be willing to give up a lot to get Cutler. He is just asking to be treated with the value the league has on him. Mckid doesn't seem to have the same value. Why should Cutler have to suck it up and deal with that?I hear you. I don't blame Cutler for feeling like he isn't wanted in Denver.

I think McD wanted to make a point to the whole team, no one is untouchable, everyone is expendable. Ruling with fear tactics so to speak. I don't think that was the right thing to do, and I hate what this has turned into.

I'm not sure what else to say about it at this point. I definitely get your point(s) here.



I stated this somewhere else, but I really think the issue is with Pat and Jay. Jay did not react well when Mike was let go, he blasted the FO for the move. This was way before Josh was hired. Josh came into a shit storm. Jay Culter brought this situation on himself by not keeping his mouth shut and running to the media every chance he got. Now the whole situation is totally out of control. If Cutler does not report, trade him to who ever pick up a QB and move on.

For the record I do not think we are better off without Jay, but I also believe that this situation is a few decisions away from crossing the point of no return. I also do not think Josh is to blame, he was given direction from the big boss. (Maybe the goodman's got let go because pat said he wanted to trade Jay and they said no way).

Interesting thought there. I wish Jay would have kept quiet during that time.

I'm trying to remain positive. I'm hoping for a day when Jay throws a game winning strike, McD smiles from the sidelines, and we have all forgotten about this mess.

WARHORSE
03-11-2009, 07:50 PM
Yep, and all the potential in the world won't matter when he has the mentality of a toddler and won't learn from his mistakes.


This isnt potential.

This is PROVEN potential.......with even MORE potential to be had.


One thing he learned: Dont come in early and try and learn the new offense.

Wait until you know you arent gonna be traded first..........that way you dont waste your time.

fcspikeit
03-11-2009, 08:12 PM
About half of his INTs came when his team was trailing by more than 14 points and he was forced to throw into coverage. I literally watched every last game in 2007 and that is the truth. When your defense is consistently ranked in the 30's in every defensive category, you are forced to throw the ball.

And the same thing can be said for Cutler..

Poet
03-11-2009, 08:15 PM
And the same thing can be said for Cutler..

True. I was just defending my boy. :salute:

fcspikeit
03-11-2009, 08:20 PM
This isnt potential.

This is PROVEN potential.......with even MORE potential to be had.


One thing he learned: Dont come in early and try and learn the new offense.

Wait until you know you arent gonna be traded first..........that way you dont waste your time.

Great point!

People seem to be over looking the fact he was in Dove Valley trying to build a relationship with Josh and learn the new playbook, at a time when almost every other starting QB was at home relaxing.

Some thanks he got.. His work ethic isn't in question here. Why does McKid feel the needs to make a point to a player who is already showing how committed he is to working with him?

fcspikeit
03-11-2009, 08:21 PM
True. I was just defending my boy. :salute:

I wouldn't expect anything less ;)

Slick
03-11-2009, 08:24 PM
Great point!

People seem to be over looking the fact he was in Dove Valley trying to build a relationship with Josh and learn the new playbook, at a time when almost every other starting QB was at home relaxing.

Some thanks he got.. His work ethic isn't in question here. Why does McKid feel the needs to make a point to a player who is already showing how committed he is to working with him?

I think you may need to go bounce a few off McD's face. I'll set for you.

Edit: ...and per your MHS, I can't agree more.

MadMax
03-11-2009, 08:41 PM
Great point!

People seem to be over looking the fact he was in Dove Valley trying to build a relationship with Josh and learn the new playbook, at a time when almost every other starting QB was at home relaxing.

Some thanks he got.. His work ethic isn't in question here. Why does McKid feel the needs to make a point to a player who is already showing how committed he is to working with him?

Good point, but it's just further proof that nothing makes sense in this whole situation. It seams like either Cutler was trying his best and just got stabbed in the back for it or that Cutler has just been putting on a good face while secretly trying to force a trade. Both possibilities scare the crap out of me as far as the future of our team goes.

WARHORSE
03-11-2009, 08:42 PM
I am okay with trading Jay Cutler if it gets to the point where it is likely that Jay will not resign with the team or that it would be in the best interest of the team overall. I would rather get value for Jay than have him walk when his contract is up. It isn't something I'm advocating for the sake of just acquiring picks or to unleash him. Cutler on this team next year with a positive attitude and a head looking forward would mean more to me than any draft pick ever could.

Trading him is an option only for me (well, something I'd want) if it looks like things won't ever get better, that he'd be likely to leave and to get the best value possible before doing so. I just thought I'd quantify that more to clear up any confusion. Hope I did so.


How about trading McDaniels. Can you pull that off for us?:D

Dean
03-11-2009, 08:57 PM
How about trading McDaniels. Can you pull that off for us?:D

They did say that the organization would trade anyone if they thought that it would improve the fanchise.


;)

fcspikeit
03-11-2009, 09:45 PM
Good point, but it's just further proof that nothing makes sense in this whole situation. It seams like either Cutler was trying his best and just got stabbed in the back for it or that Cutler has just been putting on a good face while secretly trying to force a trade. Both possibilities scare the crap out of me as far as the future of our team goes.

I'll tell you what, If Cutler asked to be traded and McDaniels engaged in trade talks to appease him, just to have Cutler turn this all back on the team.. He should be exposed so that he never works in this league again!

I just don't see how that wouldn't have came out by now.. I also believe if that were the case he would have been traded by now with the team saying he asked to be traded and then did everything in his power to make the organization look bad.

Cutler seemed genially upset, they were talking about trading him. Why would he be upset if he asked for the trade?

elsid13
03-11-2009, 09:57 PM
I'll tell you what, If Cutler asked to be traded and McDaniels engaged in trade talks to appease him, just to have Cutler turn this all back on the team.. He should be exposed so that he never works in this league again!

I just don't see how that wouldn't have came out by now.. I also believe if that were the case he would have been traded by now with the team saying he asked to be traded and then did everything in his power to make the organization look bad.

Cutler seemed genially upset, they were talking about trading him. Why would he be upset if he asked for the trade?

We have only heard of the trade request from one source - Peter King. Who until a couple of month ago, he had no contacts in Denver. Just saying that unusual how all of sudden that New York based writer was able to pull that nugget when no other Denver media source could.

fcspikeit
03-11-2009, 10:05 PM
I think you may need to go bounce a few off McD's face. I'll set for you.

Edit: ...and per your MHS, I can't agree more.

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fcspikeit
03-11-2009, 10:10 PM
We have only heard of the trade request from one source - Peter King. Who until a couple of month ago, he had no contacts in Denver. Just saying that unusual how all of sudden that New York based writer was able to pull that nugget when no other Denver media source could.

What is that, the rumor Cutler asked to be traded when Bates left?

EMB6903
03-11-2009, 10:13 PM
ya which I think is a BS rumor.... peter king suddenly found out that Cutler wanted to be traded right at the time when he was being shopped?


Complete BS in my opinion.

fcspikeit
03-11-2009, 11:04 PM
ya which I think is a BS rumor.... peter king suddenly found out that Cutler wanted to be traded right at the time when he was being shopped?


Complete BS in my opinion.

Yeah it came at exactly the time the Broncos brass was taking heat for trying to deal Cutler.. :rolleyes: It served it's purpose though.. Right after that one came out a lot of people turned on Cutler.. It hasn't been talked about since, yet some people look at this mess as if Cutler really did ask to be traded..

If you think about it, it was a good thing Cutler told the media, "I don't want to be traded" If he hadn't publicly spoken out, a lot more people would believe Cutler brought this on by asking to be traded..

topscribe
03-11-2009, 11:06 PM
ya which I think is a BS rumor.... peter king suddenly found out that Cutler wanted to be traded right at the time when he was being shopped?


Complete BS in my opinion.

Which is why I don't have much respect for Peter King . . .

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MOtorboat
03-11-2009, 11:07 PM
Yeah it came at exactly the time the Broncos brass was taking heat for trying to deal Cutler.. It served it's purpose though.. Right after that one came out a lot of people turned on Cutler.. It hasn't been talked about since, yet some people look at this mess as if Cutler really did ask to be traded..

If you think about it, it was a good thing Cutler told the media, "I don't want to be traded" If he hadn't publicly spoken out, a lot more people would believe Cutler wanted to be traded..

That's actually quite funny, considering the public comments that the Denver organization has made, i.e., Xanders and McDaniels. Public comments by Cutler are to believed, but not those by Xanders and McDaniels?

If by "turning on Cutler," you mean the organization, I think you, as well as he, might be over-reacting.

GEM
03-11-2009, 11:10 PM
They were arguing the Peter King article on 950TheFan this afternoon. They pulled it up and it was at the end of a long article and had no source listed, anonymous or otherwise. They broke it down and came to the conclusion that it was media rumor mongering at it's best.

fcspikeit
03-11-2009, 11:29 PM
That's actually quite funny, considering the public comments that the Denver organization has made, i.e., Xanders and McDaniels. Public comments by Cutler are to believed, but not those by Xanders and McDaniels?

If by "turning on Cutler," you mean the organization, I think you, as well as he, might be over-reacting.

By 'turning on Cutler" I mean the public perception of this situation.

It's hard to believe someone who says, "we are not going to trade Cutler" Then turns around and essentially says, everyone on the team is on the trading block.. :laugh:

MOtorboat
03-11-2009, 11:40 PM
By 'turning on Cutler" I mean the public perception of this situation.

It's hard to believe someone who says, "we are not going to trade Cutler" Then turns around and essentially says, everyone on the team is on the trading block.. :laugh:

We don't want to trade you.

There isn't a player we wouldn't trade.

Two different statements.

Do you understand this?

Jay Cutler needs to.

One says that that the team doesn't want to trade him. The other indicates that they are open to trade offers.

Do you see the difference?

slim
03-11-2009, 11:42 PM
Bottom line, Jay needs to grow a pair.

He is acting like a little bitch.

fcspikeit
03-12-2009, 01:57 AM
We don't want to trade you.

There isn't a player we wouldn't trade.

Two different statements.

Do you understand this?

Jay Cutler needs to.

One says that that the team doesn't want to trade him. The other indicates that they are open to trade offers.

Do you see the difference?

Actually McKid said, "We are NOT trading Jay Cutler" the Front man said "Jay Cutler is not going to be traded period!"

That is different then just saying "we don't want to trade you" And it is a complete contradictory to "There isn't a player we wouldn't trade"

I like how you changed the words :laugh: Beings you did I take it you can see how different,
"We are NOT trading Jay Cutler" and "Jay Cutler is not going to be traded period!" are then
"We don't want to trade you."



The statements "There isn't a player we wouldn't trade" = Everyone on this team is expendable, including you and you might get traded before the start of next season if we feel it helps the team.

TXBRONC
03-12-2009, 08:20 AM
About half of his INTs came when his team was trailing by more than 14 points and he was forced to throw into coverage. I literally watched every last game in 2007 and that is the truth. When your defense is consistently ranked in the 30's in every defensive category, you are forced to throw the ball.

Exactly, I'm certain Cutler can relate.

Poet
03-12-2009, 02:17 PM
Exactly, I'm certain Cutler can relate.

Oddly enough, QBs can only do what the offense needs. :salute:

OB
03-12-2009, 02:26 PM
Why are broncos fans even taking sides in this saga

BOTH of them have hurt our team - NEITHER is a Broncos veteran - if I were Bowlen I'd be telling BOTH of them to fix this NOW or they are BOTH gone

In the end there is only ONE thing that matters - WINNING - and two of the most important people in the equation are f'ng this whole thing up

We are supposed to be taking steps forward to building a playoff bound/SB TEAM - we are not here to make someone a franchise QB or a phenom HC

roomemp
03-12-2009, 02:29 PM
Why are broncos fans even taking sides in this saga

BOTH of them have hurt our team - NEITHER is a Broncos veteran - if I were Bowlen I'd be telling BOTH of them to fix this NOW or they are BOTH gone

In the end there is only ONE thing that matters - WINNING - and two of the most important people in the equation are f'ng this whole thing up

We are supposed to be taking steps forward to building a playoff bound/SB TEAM - we are not here to make someone a franchise QB or a phenom HC

Said perfectly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!