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BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 08:47 PM
Just reported by Schefter. GREAT replacement for Allen! Not sad about losing him any more.

www.twitter.com/adamschefter


Denver hired Jack Del Rio as its defensive coordinator.

madmanbryan
01-27-2012, 08:49 PM
Niiiice!!

OrangeHoof
01-27-2012, 08:50 PM
It is a great hire. He's not my favorite person but he's does know how to build a kick-ass 4-3 defense.

NightTerror218
01-27-2012, 08:51 PM
Not a bad DC, I hope he is not too conservative and will utilize Miller.

bcbronc
01-27-2012, 08:51 PM
I always hate it when internet rumours that only start because they're obvious end up being correct. :tsk:


I'm okay with this hiring. I would have preferred an exciting young phenom, but can't expect to get two in a row I guess.

One thing I now for sure, with Fox and Del Rio we're not going to have a creampuff defense. That makes me happy.

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 08:53 PM
I always hate it when internet rumours that only start because they're obvious end up being correct. :tsk:


I'm okay with this hiring. I would have preferred an exciting young phenom, but can't expect to get two in a row I guess.

One thing I now for sure, with Fox and Del Rio we're not going to have a creampuff defense. That makes me happy.

I disagree with wanting another young phenom. He would have just been plucked as a HC again and we'd be back at square A. I don't see anyone making JDR a HC again, which will be good for FINALLY building some consistency on the defense.

bcbronc
01-27-2012, 08:54 PM
I disagree with wanting another young phenom. He would have just been plucked as a HC again and we'd be back at square A. I don't see anyone making JDR a HC again, which will be good for FINALLY building some consistency on the defense.

Yeah, that worked with Nolan. :D

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 08:56 PM
Yeah, that worked with Nolan. :D

There were much bigger problems with this organization when Nolan was here! :lol:

BeefStew25
01-27-2012, 08:56 PM
Gag puke barf.

underrated29
01-27-2012, 08:58 PM
I like it. We could have done a lot lot worse.

Now if we can only get rid of McCoy, or teach the bafoon how to run an offense

Buff
01-27-2012, 08:58 PM
Gag puke barf.

He is coming in as a humbled man. Maybe he learned some life lessons along the way.

Can you maybe email me one of those shitty stories about him though? I am curious.

camdisco24
01-27-2012, 08:58 PM
Obviously I'm happy with this. I've been debating in favor of JDR all week.

As mentioned, you can say what you want about his personality, but the guy knows how to build a tough D. I'm excited to see what he can do.

MOtorboat
01-27-2012, 09:00 PM
Gag puke barf.

Well said.

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:00 PM
What's the deal with his personal issues. I've never really heard anything about them. As long as it doesn't affect how he coaches the team though I don't really care.

MOtorboat
01-27-2012, 09:01 PM
What's the deal with his personal issues. I've never really heard anything about them. As long as it doesn't affect how he coaches the team though I don't really care.

He's notoriously lazy. As a coach.

BeefStew25
01-27-2012, 09:01 PM
I sure hope the Peter Principle applies here.

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:02 PM
He's notoriously lazy. As a coach.

Head coach or assistant? I doubt he ascended through the coaching ranks by being lazy.

MOtorboat
01-27-2012, 09:03 PM
Head coach or assistant? I doubt he ascended through the coaching ranks by being lazy.

How do we know what he was like as a DC? He only spent one season doing it.

bcbronc
01-27-2012, 09:03 PM
What's the deal with his personal issues. I've never really heard anything about them. As long as it doesn't affect how he coaches the team though I don't really care.

He *gasp* doesn't go into the office until 9am.

Personally, I think he just got a new data plan for his mobile and wanted to take advantage of it.

BeefStew25
01-27-2012, 09:03 PM
He is coming in as a humbled man. Maybe he learned some life lessons along the way.

Can you maybe email me one of those shitty stories about him though? I am curious.

Yes. Let me get buzzed.

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:04 PM
How do we know what he was like as a DC? He only spent one season doing it.

He must have done something to become an attractive head coaching candidate. Could you show me a link documenting his egregious acts of laziness though?

BeefStew25
01-27-2012, 09:04 PM
I don't like people that just get by.

camdisco24
01-27-2012, 09:09 PM
He must have done something to become an attractive head coaching candidate. Could you show me a link documenting his egregious acts of laziness though?

I would like to see some links to this as well. And Jags forums dont count.

MOtorboat
01-27-2012, 09:10 PM
He must have done something to become an attractive head coaching candidate. Could you show me a link documenting his egregious acts of laziness though?

Do former players and former beat writers count?

http://peteprisco.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6315047/33582271

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/01/fred-taylor-jack-del-rio-is-not-a-head-coach/

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:12 PM
Do former players and former beat writers count?

http://peteprisco.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6315047/33582271

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/01/fred-taylor-jack-del-rio-is-not-a-head-coach/

As a head coach. Not as an assistant. Gotcha!

Seems like he just needed a fresh start. I really don't see any reason for alarm.

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:13 PM
Do former players and former beat writers count?

Another quote from said player in that article:

“He’s a great defensive coach. But he’s not a head coach.”

Seeing as he is a defensive coach for us an not a head coach, seems fine to me.

MOtorboat
01-27-2012, 09:13 PM
As a head coach. Not as an assistant. Gotcha!

Seems like he just needed a fresh start. I really don't see any reason for alarm.

Other than that he's notoriously lazy and was only a DC for one season of his entire career, yes.

camdisco24
01-27-2012, 09:14 PM
Do former players and former beat writers count?

http://peteprisco.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6315047/33582271

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/01/fred-taylor-jack-del-rio-is-not-a-head-coach/

Pete Prisco Article... eh... Pete Prisco???

As for the Fred Taylor statement, he's saying exactly what I've been arguing all week. Some guys just arent made to be head coaches, but they are darn good coordinators. I think JDR is a great defensive mind and will be a huge asset to this team.

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:15 PM
Other than that he's notoriously lazy and was only a DC for one season of his entire career, yes.

Notoriously? Nothing you linked suggests laziness other than toward the end of his Jags term.

And Fox's highest ranked defenses in Carolina were under Del Rio.

MOtorboat
01-27-2012, 09:16 PM
Notoriously? Nothing you linked suggests laziness other than toward the end of his Jags term.

And Fox's highest ranked defenses in Carolina were under Del Rio.

Defense. One defense.

It wasn't built by Del Rio.

camdisco24
01-27-2012, 09:18 PM
Other than that he's notoriously lazy and was only a DC for one season of his entire career, yes.

This lazy argument hold no water Mo... sorry but one Pete Prisco article does NOT prove anything. And since you keep writing off his one season as a DC in Carolina here are the numbers his D put together that one measly year:

(credit to arapho2 for the stats.)


jack became the DC in 2002


total defense
2001...31st
2002..2nd
2001...sacks 26
2002...sacks 51

2001 scoreing defense..21st
2002 scoreing defense...5th

2001 rush def...31st
2002 rush def...8th

2001 pass defense...28th
2002 pass defense...4th


looks to me his defense was anything but boring....and if those improvments were boring...sign me up :lol:

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:18 PM
Defense. One defense.

It wasn't built by Del Rio.

Well seeing as Fox has first hand experience with Del Rio that you or I don't, I will trust his opinion on him over media reports until I see first hand evidence to believe otherwise.

MOtorboat
01-27-2012, 09:20 PM
Who was drafted No. 2 overall in 2002?

camdisco24
01-27-2012, 09:22 PM
Who was drafted No. 2 overall in 2002?

Julius Peppers. Who was drafted number 2 overall in 2011?

claymore
01-27-2012, 09:23 PM
Im cautiously optimistic, and I think he has a good defensive mind. Hopefully he feels humbled and wants to prove himself again.

BeefStew25
01-27-2012, 09:24 PM
My faith in Fox holding him accountable secures my heart.

MOtorboat
01-27-2012, 09:24 PM
Julius Peppers. Who was drafted number 2 overall in 2011?

Von Miller.

Did Dennis Allen capitalize off that, or what?

:listen:

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:26 PM
Mo, what other DC candidate out there that Denver could have realistically gotten would you rather have?

MOtorboat
01-27-2012, 09:28 PM
Mo, what other DC candidate out there that Denver could have realistically gotten would you rather have?

Someone else.

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:30 PM
Someone else.

Oh man, we should sign you up to be the GM right now with that keen insight!

camdisco24
01-27-2012, 09:30 PM
Someone else.

You're going to do all that complaining and that's all you have as a solution??? :tsk:

BeefStew25
01-27-2012, 09:31 PM
Oh man, we should sign you up to be the GM right now with that keen insight!

What a stupid post.

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:31 PM
You're going to do all that complaining and that's all you have as a solution??? :tsk:

Yeah, it's really comical when people bitch about something but don't offer an alternate solution.

TXBRONC
01-27-2012, 09:32 PM
Do former players and former beat writers count?

http://peteprisco.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6315047/33582271

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/01/fred-taylor-jack-del-rio-is-not-a-head-coach/

I think you know exaggerating. You claimed Del Rio is notoriously lazy. That's not what Prisco article claims.

The second article doesn't imply he's lazy. Anyone who knows how Taylor and Del Rio parted ways now it was on good terms. It person would have to naive not figure Taylor has a little bit of axe to grind. You claimed basically he doesn't know crap about defense yet for all the bad blood between him and Del Rio admitted he understand defense.

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:32 PM
What a stupid post.

I suppose you would know what one looks like.

BeefStew25
01-27-2012, 09:32 PM
There are a load of up and coming D dudes.

del Rio is warmed over.

MOtorboat
01-27-2012, 09:33 PM
Yeah, it's really comical when people bitch about something but don't offer an alternate solution.

Not really.

I didn't want Del Rio. Would have been fine with anyone else, including promoting from within.

There's not much else to say.

BeefStew25
01-27-2012, 09:33 PM
I suppose you would know what one looks like.

In a dorm room on a Friday night. I rest my case. :lol:

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:35 PM
Not really.

I didn't want Del Rio. Would have been fine with anyone else, including promoting from within.

There's not much else to say.

So of anyone in the world, Del Rio is the worst possible choice to coordinate our defense. Yeah, you are really being objective! :lol:

Are you secretly a disgruntled Jags fan or something? Fred Taylor HIMSELF even admitted that he's a good defensive coach. It's going to take more than one report from Pete Prisco for me to believe he is notoriously lazy. What's lazy was his reporting of that article. He could have easily just been burnt out from the sorry state of affairs in Jacksonville as of late.

TXBRONC
01-27-2012, 09:35 PM
This lazy argument hold no water Mo... sorry but one Pete Prisco article does NOT prove anything. And since you keep writing off his one season as a DC in Carolina here are the numbers his D put together that one measly year:

(credit to arapho2 for the stats.)

I think MO knows that and he's just being ornery.

Slick
01-27-2012, 09:35 PM
Jack of the river. i like it. Good hire.

Go Broncos!

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MOtorboat
01-27-2012, 09:36 PM
I think you know exaggerating. You claimed Del Rio is notoriously lazy. That's not what Prisco article claims.

The second article doesn't imply he's lazy. Anyone who knows how Taylor and Del Rio parted ways now it was on good terms. It person would have to naive not figure Taylor has a little bit of axe to grind. You claimed basically he doesn't know crap about defense yet for all the bad blood between him and Del Rio admitted he understand defense.

I've never claimed he didn't know anything about defense. He utilized one incredible player and then another (Ray Lewis and then Julius Peppers) in three seasons as an assistant to get himself a head coaching job where he was cited to be lazy.

As Beef said, I hope Fox's presence is a calming, inspiring presence. I have many doubts.

Dapper Dan
01-27-2012, 09:36 PM
Some fans just remind me of this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BpgDtoj73DQ

Broncomarkie
01-27-2012, 09:37 PM
Great hire!!!!

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:38 PM
In a dorm room on a Friday night. I rest my case. :lol:

Well I'm a broke college student and my girlfriend lives on the other side of the country right now, so not really much incentive to go out and party. Thank you for your concern though! :salute:

jhildebrand
01-27-2012, 09:40 PM
Do you think JDR will try to make Tebow a LBer? :confused:

TXBRONC
01-27-2012, 09:41 PM
Not really.

I didn't want Del Rio. Would have been fine with anyone else, including promoting from within.

There's not much else to say.

So because you don't like the hire you're going stretch the truth?

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:41 PM
Some fans just remind me of this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BpgDtoj73DQ

I was seriously just about to post the EXACT same video. Really just one fan acting like that right now though. And that one is negative about almost everything! :lol:

MOtorboat
01-27-2012, 09:43 PM
So because you don't like the hire you're going stretch the truth?

And what truth am I stretching?

BeefStew25
01-27-2012, 09:43 PM
So of anyone in the world, Del Rio is the worst possible choice to coordinate our defense. Yeah, you are really being objective! :lol:

Are you secretly a disgruntled Jags fan or something? Fred Taylor HIMSELF even admitted that he's a good defensive coach. It's going to take more than one report from Pete Prisco for me to believe he is notoriously lazy. What's lazy was his reporting of that article. He could have easily just been burnt out from the sorry state of affairs in Jacksonville as of late.

What is sorry about Jax?

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:44 PM
And what truth am I stretching?

That one article by Pete Prisco of all people proves that he is "notoriously" lazy.

BeefStew25
01-27-2012, 09:44 PM
So because you don't like the hire you're going stretch the truth?

Or maybe he knows the truth. Either/or.

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:44 PM
What is sorry about Jax?

Not the city, the organization.

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:45 PM
Or maybe he knows the truth. Either/or.

Yep, I bet he knows the truth but our coaches don't. Seems legit.

BeefStew25
01-27-2012, 09:45 PM
Not the city, the organization.

Yeah. I know. What is sorry about it?

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:46 PM
Yeah. I know. What is sorry about it?

That they are perinially mediocre, have no fan support, and are on the brink of relocation.

chazoe60
01-27-2012, 09:47 PM
Good hire IMO. Even when Jax was bad this year their D was still ranked in the top 10 IIRC.


I like it and my biggest hope other than him being successful is that he's sticks around for a while. We desperately need continuity at that spot.

BeefStew25
01-27-2012, 09:47 PM
Yep, I bet he knows the truth but our coaches don't. Seems legit.

Spoken like a true lemming.

BeefStew25
01-27-2012, 09:48 PM
That they are perinially mediocre, have no fan support, and are on the brink of relocation.

The first one is right. The other two are not.

BroncoWave
01-27-2012, 09:48 PM
Spoken like a true lemming.

You're right, I should follow the almighty genius of MO.

chazoe60
01-27-2012, 09:55 PM
I can't wait til the Draft.

BORDERLINE
01-27-2012, 10:10 PM
well let's see what this bag of goodies bring to the defensive side of the ball.

iLands
01-27-2012, 10:11 PM
This told me all I need to know and more than anything else I could read could:

https://twitter.com/#!/BrianDawkins/status/163095500483084289

underrated29
01-27-2012, 10:12 PM
How do we know what he was like as a DC? He only spent one season doing it.


Yet mccoy has failed 3 years at it yet we want to give him another year

Davii
01-27-2012, 10:13 PM
I for one think it might be a great pick up. I don't know for sure, but we will see. I have full trust and confidence in Elway and Foxes ability to make a good hire for that position.

MOtorboat
01-27-2012, 10:17 PM
Yet mccoy has failed 3 years at it yet we want to give him another year

Failed?

He had the best rushing attack in the league and was handicapped by a terrible quarterback...

Denver Native (Carol)
01-27-2012, 10:23 PM
This told me all I need to know and more than anything else I could read could:

https://twitter.com/#!/BrianDawkins/status/163095500483084289

Quite an endorsement from Brian Dawkins

Denver Native (Carol)
01-27-2012, 10:27 PM
John Fox has dug into his coaching past to find a new defensive coordinator.

On Friday, the Broncos hired Jack Del Rio to replace Dennis Allen as the team's new defensive coordinator, Fox confirmed late Friday night.

"We are thrilled to be able to add such a well-respected defensive coach to our staff," Fox said in a statement issued through the team's Twitter account.

rest - which also mentions the strength and conditioning coach the Broncos want to hire

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_19838894

Denver Native (Carol)
01-27-2012, 10:33 PM
Here is somewhat of a bio on Luke Richesson, which Lindsay stated in her DP article that the Broncos would like to hire as strength and conditioning coach.

http://www.caseperformance.com/112/interview-with-the-expert-luke-richesson

underrated29
01-27-2012, 10:38 PM
Failed?

He had the best rushing attack in the league and was handicapped by a terrible quarterback...



Cherry pick much?

How about he had the best rush attack in the nfl because and ONLY because of tebow and handicapped tebow by the worst playcalling in the league.

AND I HAVE THE STATS TO BACK IT UP! Mccoy has done Shiat for rushing in all 3 years. Practically last in the league. It wasnt until Tebow came along that it suddenly improved.

Mccoy failed. I still have yet to have anyone show me his playcalling.
(rather than throw this thread off topic I will make a thread)

MOtorboat
01-27-2012, 10:42 PM
Cherry pick much?

How about he had the best rush attack in the nfl because and ONLY because of tebow and handicapped tebow by the worst playcalling in the league.

AND I HAVE THE STATS TO BACK IT UP! Mccoy has done Shiat for rushing in all 3 years. Practically last in the league. It wasnt until Tebow came along that it suddenly improved.

Mccoy failed. I still have yet to have anyone show me his playcalling.
(rather than throw this thread off topic I will make a thread)

McCoy didn't call plays the last two years. So condemning him for McDaniels' offense is kind of useless.

Tebow is the ONLY reason?

I'll stop at that, because even trying to reason with this is pointless.

underrated29
01-27-2012, 10:50 PM
McCoy didn't call plays the last two years. So condemning him for McDaniels' offense is kind of useless.

Tebow is the ONLY reason?

I'll stop at that, because even trying to reason with this is pointless.



I made a thread that is better and on topic. Give it a look and let me know what you think.

*edit- better, as not better than this thread, but better than our two responses above i mean.

iLands
01-27-2012, 10:51 PM
Thanks guys!

Let's keep this on the new coach.

getlynched47
01-27-2012, 10:54 PM
We actually upgraded with Jack Del Rio over Dennis Allen.

I like Allen, but he didn't do a great job this season, considering he had guys like Champ Bailey, Elvis Dumervil, Von Miller, Brian Dawkins and DJ Williams. We finished like 22nd in total defense and in the bottom half in pass and rush defense.

Jack Del Rio will get us in the top 12. I guarantee it.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-27-2012, 11:01 PM
We actually upgraded with Jack Del Rio over Dennis Allen.

I like Allen, but he didn't do a great job this season, considering he had guys like Champ Bailey, Elvis Dumervil, Von Miller, Brian Dawkins and DJ Williams. We finished like 22nd in total defense and in the bottom half in pass and rush defense.

Jack Del Rio will get us in the top 12. I guarantee it.

I have heard this from others also.

underrated29
01-27-2012, 11:08 PM
We actually upgraded with Jack Del Rio over Dennis Allen.

I like Allen, but he didn't do a great job this season, considering he had guys like Champ Bailey, Elvis Dumervil, Von Miller, Brian Dawkins and DJ Williams. We finished like 22nd in total defense and in the bottom half in pass and rush defense.

Jack Del Rio will get us in the top 12. I guarantee it.





Agree and disagree.

I like del rio, im not sure if he was my first choice, but he was top 2 or 3 so I really like it. Buuut, to me allen is not getting enough credit for what he did. We had all those guys last year (ecept doom) and our defense was near last in every category. The year before with doom (leading the league) we still were pathetic.

Allen has done an amazing job I think. But he is gone and now hopefully sucks. But if we draft well and get a solid FA or two, plus a healthy Ty warren we could creep up into the better half of the league on defense.

Shazam!
01-27-2012, 11:10 PM
Great move...

getlynched47
01-27-2012, 11:17 PM
Agree and disagree.

I like del rio, im not sure if he was my first choice, but he was top 2 or 3 so I really like it. Buuut, to me allen is not getting enough credit for what he did. We had all those guys last year (ecept doom) and our defense was near last in every category. The year before with doom (leading the league) we still were pathetic.

Allen has done an amazing job I think. But he is gone and now hopefully sucks. But if we draft well and get a solid FA or two, plus a healthy Ty warren we could creep up into the better half of the league on defense.

I completely disagree with this assessment.

We ran a completely different scheme last season, and ALL of our defensive players underachieved for Wink Martindale. We added talent and fortified our defensive scheme, not to mention getting Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil, and all he could muster up was a 22nd rank defense.

Not to mention that Bill O'Brien completely ate Dennis Allen's lunch in the AFC Divisional playoff game. Allen got outcoached severely in that game. He had Champ freakin Bailey lined up across Julian Edelmann! You kidding me?

Dennis Allen got us from the worst defense in the NFL to 10 spots better than the worst defense in the NFL. That's all the credit he deserves.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-27-2012, 11:21 PM
It's a done deal - so we all need to take a "wait and see" attitude - do we have any other choice?

underrated29
01-27-2012, 11:23 PM
Right a better scheme. But lets be real here. The pats have Owned pretty much everyone except their divisional rivals. I am not sure about the games they lost, but I have a feeling they still scored a ton of points.

Champ on edelman is bad though. I only got to watch up to half way through the 2n quarter, so I do not know about the rest. However, for every game like that, we also had games where we were allowing teams to score like 15 points or so. That is pretty good.

getlynched47
01-27-2012, 11:34 PM
For every game like that, we also had games where we were allowing teams to score like 15 points or so. That is pretty good.

......against league-worst offenses :coffee:

underrated29
01-27-2012, 11:36 PM
maybe, but 15 points or less is pretty good regardless of who the offense is, dontchya think?

Ziggy
01-27-2012, 11:39 PM
I like it. One thing we won't have to worry about is the defense going back to being soft like it was before this past season.

Convalesce
01-27-2012, 11:47 PM
Wow, great hire.

A lot of Oakland Fans REALLY wanted Del Rio but what a great replacement for Allen.

You guys should just hope this one sticks. (Even though I'm pretty sure he will.)

VonSackemMiller
01-27-2012, 11:58 PM
This is exactly who I wanted! Watch this defense be top ten next uear, im sure hes drooling over,having a von miller

getlynched47
01-28-2012, 12:06 AM
maybe, but 15 points or less is pretty good regardless of who the offense is, dontchya think?

Naw, bro.

When you're holding league-worst offenses to 15 points and letting elite offenses score 40+, then you have a big problem with defensive coaching and defensive personnel.

Consider me unimpressed with a defensive coordinator until he can coach up a defense to hold league-worst offenses in single digit points and power-house offenses under 30 points.

That's when you know your defensive coordinator is worth keeping. Our defense, and Dennis Allen, were way overrated by fans IMO.

Regardless, I believe Jack Del Rio will have a "Wade-Phillips-to-Houston" type impact in his first season with Denver. Maybe not top-5 defense, but I can see us vaulting into top-12 defensive ranking.

I'm stoked!

underrated29
01-28-2012, 12:11 AM
Naw, bro.

When you're holding league-worst offenses to 15 points and letting elite offenses score 40+, then you have a big problem with defensive coaching and defensive personnel.

Consider me unimpressed with a defensive coordinator until he can coach up a defense to hold league-worst offenses in single digit points and power-house offenses under 30 points.

That's when you know your defensive coordinator is worth keeping. Our defense, and Dennis Allen, were way overrated by fans IMO.

Regardless, I believe Jack Del Rio will have a "Wade-Phillips-to-Houston" type impact in his first season with Denver. Maybe not top-5 defense, but I can see us vaulting into top-12 defensive ranking.

I'm stoked!



I sure hope so, but i dont think any coach can take our d to that good next year.

DenBronx
01-28-2012, 12:15 AM
Like always I get no credit for this. :coffee:


John Fox and John Elway read my Del Taco thread and all of the sudden it's their big idea.

Mephisto
01-28-2012, 12:36 AM
Aw hell yeah!! I finally feel like we'll make progress on defense rather than regress to oblivion. Great news.

VonSackemMiller
01-28-2012, 12:53 AM
now can we replace mccoy with an upgrade?

Timmy!
01-28-2012, 12:59 AM
Good hire IMO. I hope he can talk the FO into getting some frigging dts and a stud mlb.

RebelRocker
01-28-2012, 01:32 AM
Just reported by Schefter. GREAT replacement for Allen! Not sad about losing him any more.

www.twitter.com/adamschefter

I'm hoping he can be our Dick LeBeau..

As in.... He's a failed HC that realizes he's best off as a DC and helps us win super bowls over the next 10-15 years.

TimHippo
01-28-2012, 01:39 AM
Defense. One defense.

It wasn't built by Del Rio.

Who was the Carolina defense built by then?

BeefStew25
01-28-2012, 01:43 AM
I'm hoping he can be our Dick LeBeau..

As in.... He's a failed HC that realizes he's best off as a DC and helps us win super bowls over the next 10-15 years.

That gives me a chubby.

dogfish
01-28-2012, 02:28 AM
relax, boys. . . fox knows how to put a staff together, he'll ride shotgun on del taco rio if need be. . . elway's not gonna tolerate any slackers in the building. . . taco got lazy because they let him stay like four years too long. . .


my only concern is how aggressive he'll be as a play-caller, and whether he's as well-suited to deploying von as allen was, with the wade phillips/greg williams background. . .

not that del taco can't figure it out. . . i just don't know how smoothly it meshes with his intrinsic philosophy. . . we'll see. . . as long as the FO adds a few key pieces to the existing weapons, he should at least have plenty to work with. . .

DenBronx
01-28-2012, 03:04 AM
Well on another note he could have been lazy, sat at home all year and collected the same paycheck. Yet he was itching bad enough to keep chopping wood.

He had some really good success with Fox so I like the continuity of them working together again.

But....I wonder if after a big win next year if Jack would be like DEL TACOS FOR EVERYONE!!!!

DenBronx
01-28-2012, 03:09 AM
Someone please embed this...this is Jack Del Rio on his first day outside John Elways office.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoMkJ87uMBU

Dzone
01-28-2012, 03:37 AM
the question is did his players like playing for him? Thats what everyone says about Fox. I dont know that much about Del Rio. Is he an ******* or something? Whats his history? Someone give us their version of Del Rio 101
I will hang up and listen

Dzone
01-28-2012, 03:42 AM
Does he have some male pattern baldness? That would help endear him to older fans.

bcbronc
01-28-2012, 03:56 AM
This told me all I need to know and more than anything else I could read could:

https://twitter.com/#!/BrianDawkins/status/163095500483084289

you could almost read that Dawkins quote as a signal he'll be coming back next year...


Here is somewhat of a bio on Luke Richesson, which Lindsay stated in her DP article that the Broncos would like to hire as strength and conditioning coach.

http://www.caseperformance.com/112/interview-with-the-expert-luke-richesson

seems cutting edge, but incorporates old school power lifting. Seems like a good hire, not that I'd know one way or the other.


Fox and Del Rio tend to have power triangles that can punch an offense in the teeth. If they make our defense bad ass, I'll weep tears of joy.

iLands
01-28-2012, 04:00 AM
you could almost read that Dawkins quote as a signal he'll be coming back next year...




My thoughts exactly. :salute:

Northman
01-28-2012, 07:27 AM
Man, i must of gotten busy the last few days. Two great signings for the Broncs! Defense is going to be stellar!

HORSEPOWER 56
01-28-2012, 07:49 AM
Not a bad DC, I hope he is not too conservative and will utilize Miller.

I don't think it will be too much of a problem using Miller. Del Rio knows what we did with Miller last year, either dropping him onto the LOS with his hand down or standing up in obvious passing situations. I doubt that will change much.

He also knows how to coach a 4-3 rush LB. Remember, he coached the Ravens LBs for three years and made Peter Boulware one of the most feared 4-3 rush LBs in the game at the time.

He also knows the importance of having monster DTs in the middle to protect his MLB. Hopefully, he can do little whispering in EFX's ears about shoring up our internal DL.

Northman
01-28-2012, 08:18 AM
Del Rio should easily make this one of the best defenses in the league.

MOtorboat
01-28-2012, 08:58 AM
Hopefully, he'll be a little more creative with his scheme than in the past...


Linebacker sacks in a Del Rio system

Mark Fields, LLB, 7.5, Carolina, 2002 (Del Rio)
Akin Ayodele, LLB, 1, Jacksonville, 2003 (Mike Smith)
Mike Peterson, MLB, 5, Jacksonville, 2004 (Mike Smith)
Mike Peterson, MLB, 6, Jacksonville, 2005 (Mike Smith)
Daryl Smith, RLB, 4, Jacksonville, 2005 (Mike Smith)
Daryl Smith, MLB, 3, Jacksonville, 2006 (Mike Smith)
Mike Peterson, MLB, 2, Jacksonville, 2007 (Mike Smith)
Daryl Smith, MLB, 2.5, Jacksonville, 2008 (Gregg Williams)
Daryl Smith, LLB, 1.5, Jacksonville, 2009 (Mel Tucker)
Daryl Smith, LLB, 3.5, Jacksonville, 2010 (Mel Tucker)
Daryl Smith, LLB, 3.5, Jacksonville, 2011 (Mel Tucker)

*Parentheses are defensive coordinator, position is as listed by pro-football-reference

Slick
01-28-2012, 09:52 AM
None of those guys get after it like Von does, Mo.

Not even close.

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BroncoJoe
01-28-2012, 09:54 AM
Dear Mo:

Please change your name to Mo-bini.

tia.

chazoe60
01-28-2012, 09:58 AM
Did he have a Von Miller type on those teams MO?

Anyone who thinks JDR is going to line Von up like a regular OLB and not use him to rush the passer is just being pessimistic and silly.

BroncoStud
01-28-2012, 10:08 AM
I think he'll be fine as a DC here. John Fox will be running the show and he certainly isn't lazy. Del Rio will have to adhere to the Broncos or he won't last, but he does know defense.

I am happy with this hire. I think he and Fox will work together just fine. It isn't like Del Rio is the Head Coach or anything.

BeefStew25
01-28-2012, 10:21 AM
Let's all just be cautious.

MOtorboat
01-28-2012, 10:22 AM
Dear Mo:

Please change your name to Mo-bini.

tia.

Sunshine and lollipops.

Jsteve01
01-28-2012, 10:30 AM
Mo. I would say notorious is an excellent use of hyperbole. Prisco mentions that he got lazy late in his tenure. He also states that anyone looking for a coordinator should look at Del Rio. I know that you like myself were burned by your faith in mcd and now you just don't want to risk your heart again but just give the Guy a chance. Open yourself to the greatness that is del rio

Jsteve01
01-28-2012, 10:34 AM
Mo I'd like you. To try something. Turn off the lights. Turn on some Barry white. Rub your nipples and envision Jack with his sweet sunglasses and dashing good looks. Let me know how it goes

MOtorboat
01-28-2012, 10:34 AM
Mo. I would say notorious is an excellent use of hyperbole. Prisco mentions that he got lazy late in his tenure. He also states that anyone looking for a coordinator should look at Del Rio. I know that you like myself were burned by your faith in mcd and now you just don't want to risk your heart again but just give the Guy a chance. Open yourself to the greatness that is del rio

I'll believe it when I see it, not just blindly.

MOtorboat
01-28-2012, 10:35 AM
Mo I'd like you. To try something. Turn off the lights. Turn on some Barry white. Rub your nipples and envision Jack with his sweet sunglasses and dashing good looks. Let me know how it goes

I would, but its not noon yet, I don't think Jack will make it in til noon.

BroncoJoe
01-28-2012, 10:41 AM
Sunshine and lollipops.

Better than cloudy skies and shit-sicles.

BeefStew25
01-28-2012, 10:43 AM
Mo did you get my email?

chazoe60
01-28-2012, 10:44 AM
Better than cloudy skies and shit-sicles.

Not in MO's world.

MOtorboat
01-28-2012, 10:48 AM
Mo did you get my email?

Yup.

BroncoWave
01-28-2012, 10:55 AM
I'll believe it when I see it, not just blindly.

But you're perfectly ok just blindly buying into Prisco's take that he's a lazy bum and take that to mean he'll definitely be the same in Denver?

You seem to be the one ignoring most of the facts, not everyone else.

MOtorboat
01-28-2012, 10:56 AM
But you're perfectly ok just blindly buying into Prisco's take that he's a lazy bum and take that to mean he'll definitely be the same in Denver?

You seem to be the one ignoring most of the facts, not everyone else.

Whatever you say, sparky.

Northman
01-28-2012, 10:57 AM
I think he'll be fine as a DC here. John Fox will be running the show and he certainly isn't lazy. Del Rio will have to adhere to the Broncos or he won't last, but he does know defense.

I am happy with this hire. I think he and Fox will work together just fine. It isn't like Del Rio is the Head Coach or anything.

Indeed. When Del Rio is DC he is at his best, same with Nolan.

LTC Pain
01-28-2012, 10:57 AM
I saw this on the AFC Blog where Williamson talked about JDR being hired as Broncos DC:

Perhaps Del Rio will turn for help to a pair of defensive ends he coached in Jacksonville — Matt Roth, a free agent, and Jeremy Mincey.

BroncoWave
01-28-2012, 11:00 AM
Hopefully, he'll be a little more creative with his scheme than in the past...


Linebacker sacks in a Del Rio system

Mark Fields, LLB, 7.5, Carolina, 2002 (Del Rio)
Akin Ayodele, LLB, 1, Jacksonville, 2003 (Mike Smith)
Mike Peterson, MLB, 5, Jacksonville, 2004 (Mike Smith)
Mike Peterson, MLB, 6, Jacksonville, 2005 (Mike Smith)
Daryl Smith, RLB, 4, Jacksonville, 2005 (Mike Smith)
Daryl Smith, MLB, 3, Jacksonville, 2006 (Mike Smith)
Mike Peterson, MLB, 2, Jacksonville, 2007 (Mike Smith)
Daryl Smith, MLB, 2.5, Jacksonville, 2008 (Gregg Williams)
Daryl Smith, LLB, 1.5, Jacksonville, 2009 (Mel Tucker)
Daryl Smith, LLB, 3.5, Jacksonville, 2010 (Mel Tucker)
Daryl Smith, LLB, 3.5, Jacksonville, 2011 (Mel Tucker)

*Parentheses are defensive coordinator, position is as listed by pro-football-reference

Career highs in sacks:

Mark Fields- 8
Akin Ayodele- 3
Mike Peterson- 6
Daryl Smith- 4

Yes, as you can see, he was clearly just misusing elite pass rushing linebackers in his tenure as a DC and HC.

MOtorboat
01-28-2012, 11:02 AM
Career highs in sacks:

Mark Fields- 8
Akin Ayodele- 3
Mike Peterson- 6
Daryl Smith- 4

Yes, as you can see, he was clearly just misusing elite pass rushing linebackers in his tenure as a DC and HC.

It speaks to scheme.

BroncoNut
01-28-2012, 11:06 AM
How do we know what he was like as a DC? He only spent one season doing it.

Mo. Now is the time to be a man and admit to yourself mentally that you again initiated a weak ass argument. Let it go

BroncoNut
01-28-2012, 11:09 AM
well, I'm an optimist and am excited about this offer. I think he looks kindof cool and his name is cool sounding. This is good I think, but I can't really base it on much more than what I've mentioned here

BroncoWave
01-28-2012, 11:16 AM
It speaks to scheme.

It speaks to him never having an elite pass rushing linebacker. Do you really think a pro coach is going to watch Von Miller on tape and use him as anything other than a guy who gets the hell after the quarterback? I know you're negative and refuse to look at anything objectively but you can't be this bullheaded.

BroncoWave
01-28-2012, 11:17 AM
Mo. Now is the time to be a man and admit to yourself mentally that you again initiated a weak ass argument. Let it go

I think Mo knows he's been had at his point, but he has too much pride to back down now. Someone has to lead the crusade!

BroncoJoe
01-28-2012, 11:19 AM
Del Rio began his coaching career with the New Orleans Saints in 1997 as the Strength and Conditioning coach. In 1999, he accepted a position with the Baltimore Ravens as their linebackers coach. He is in part credited for the success of the Ravens' defense, particularly the 2000 Ravens' defense. After the 2001 season, he was named defensive coordinator of the Carolina Panthers. In his first season as defensive coordinator, he led them to the second best defense in the league that season.

NFL head coaches under whom Jack Del Rio has served:

Mike Ditka, New Orleans Saints (1997–1998)
Brian Billick, Baltimore Ravens (1999–2001)
John Fox, Carolina Panthers (2002)

We could have done worse.

MOtorboat
01-28-2012, 11:19 AM
I think Mo knows he's been had at his point, but he has too much pride to back down now. Someone has to lead the crusade!

Had? He hasn't even coached a down yet.

slim
01-28-2012, 11:23 AM
Wow, Mo is jumping sharks on the regular now.

BeefStew25
01-28-2012, 11:29 AM
Mo has info none of you have. Sorry.

BroncoNut
01-28-2012, 11:30 AM
I think Mo knows he's been had at his point, but he has too much pride to back down now. Someone has to lead the crusade!

His ego is out of control. It's ridiculous and sad. What's the deal with short People? Serioulsy, Zam is the same way, and others that I've encountered are too. Is it really that painful to be short? my major prof in grad school was short in stature and he may have been the coolest/smartest/modest/ guy I've ever known. A complete anomoly. Mo could be like that, but there's something that holds him back. And I think it's him

slim
01-28-2012, 11:32 AM
Mo has info none of you have. Sorry.

Like how to make a make-shift vagina out of TP roll and some silk socks?

BeefStew25
01-28-2012, 11:33 AM
Like how to make a make-shift vagina out of TP roll and some silk socks?

Personal attack on a friend who can actually make a tailgate. Post reported.

BroncoNut
01-28-2012, 11:33 AM
Like how to make a make-shift vagina out of TP roll and some silk socks?

Awesome Slim. That's 2 in a row. you just made Beef look like a gelded donkey

BroncoNut
01-28-2012, 11:34 AM
Personal attack on a friend who can actually make a tailgate. Post reported.

why don't you go blow it out your ear

slim
01-28-2012, 11:34 AM
Wow....let's all calm down.

I don't like this type of infighting.

BeefStew25
01-28-2012, 11:35 AM
why don't you go blow it out your ear

Does Schultzie have his red rocket out?

Northman
01-28-2012, 11:38 AM
No, keep it up. Im dying here.

BeefStew25
01-28-2012, 11:44 AM
Del Rio is my un Glenn Martinez.

BroncoNut
01-28-2012, 11:44 AM
Does Schultzie have his red rocket out?

yes he does as a matter of fact. Out of my ass and on it's way to yours I bet

BroncoNut
01-28-2012, 11:50 AM
Mo has info none of you have. Sorry.

I think Mo is smart and by nature a seeker in the most profound sense. there's just no need for him to be so arrogant and abrasive about it.

BeefStew25
01-28-2012, 11:53 AM
Then what about BaileyTheAverage?

BroncoNut
01-28-2012, 11:57 AM
Then what about BaileyTheAverage?

More like Baileythebelowaverage

nmbroncosfan
01-28-2012, 12:22 PM
To the ones complaining about the hire.....I sure haven't read anywhere where the Broncos called any of you, with all of the NFL coaching experience that seems to be in here.

Medford Bronco
01-28-2012, 12:30 PM
I like this hire as well. I would take the defense Jax had in the mid 2000s. Also back in the day was a pretty good LB for the Cowboys IIFC

He had no chance this year succeding with Blane Gabbert and that crap at QB he had. MJD and a bunch of junk. Hopefully he can do a great job to build his resume back up.

slim
01-28-2012, 12:42 PM
MO, I take it back.

I ride with you on this one.

BeefStew25
01-28-2012, 12:50 PM
To the ones complaining about the hire.....I sure haven't read anywhere where the Broncos called any of you, with all of the NFL coaching experience that seems to be in here.

Well, shit, let's shut the board down.

BroncoWave
01-28-2012, 01:23 PM
Well, shit, let's shut the board down.

When someone comes up with something with more substance than "Oh well Pete Prisco said he was lazy" or "Oh he never got huge sack numbers from all the mediocre linebackers he coached" I might be willing to listen.

BeefStew25
01-28-2012, 01:26 PM
When someone comes up with something with more substance than "Oh well Pete Prisco said he was lazy" or "Oh he never got huge sack numbers from all the mediocre linebackers he coached" I might be willing to listen.

Slim changed his mind. That should be all you need.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-28-2012, 01:28 PM
the question is did his players like playing for him? Thats what everyone says about Fox. I dont know that much about Del Rio. Is he an ******* or something? Whats his history? Someone give us their version of Del Rio 101
I will hang up and listen

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2011/11/29/2595826/jack-del-rio-fired-jaguars-players-react

There will be some on here who will say - "what did you expect them to say",
which my response would be - they did NOT have to say anything.

BeefStew25
01-28-2012, 01:29 PM
Carol is our Champ Bailey.

BroncoWave
01-28-2012, 01:30 PM
http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2011/11/29/2595826/jack-del-rio-fired-jaguars-players-react

There will be some on here who will say - "what did you expect them to say",
which my response would be - they did NOT have to say anything.

Nah, clearly Pete Prisco knows more than the guys who were actually in the locker room.

I Eat Staples
01-28-2012, 01:43 PM
I wish we still had Allen instead, but I love the hire.

BroncoWave
01-28-2012, 01:46 PM
I wish we still had Allen instead, but I love the hire.

I can't say I'm crushed about losing Allen. Would have been nice to keep him for the consistency but it's not like he coached us to an elite product this year. We were still bad on defense this season. Only team in the NFL to give up 5 40+ point games this year. The improvements we did make likely have just as much if not more to do with adding Miller and Dumervil this season.

G_Money
01-28-2012, 02:01 PM
I have concerns about Jack Del Rio as a person (as Beef and Mo have laid out in detail in the past, and I agree with their assessments). But I had them about Nolan (emo tyrant who blamed everyone else as a HC) and fully supported Nolan as DC, advocated him even.

Not gonna be as enthused about Del Rio.

I hope that he can regain some fire in the belly.

I hope that he can utilize our personnel to the fullest.

And I hope that if we choose to run a 2-gap 4-3 full time that we can pull that off and create a strong defense. IIRC it's gonna put Miller on a lot of TE coverage based on Jack's previous usage of the scheme, so between he and Fox I hope the two of them can work out the kinks.

We'll see. I don't hate the hire, but I'm definitely making a list of the things I'm gonna want to see from Del Rio from game 1 of the regular season, and I'll tell you right now that having Von chasing TEs around the field instead of rushing the passer is not something I want to see.

IMO upgrading the MLB is also now very important. Can we call Dan Connor's agent yet?

~G

Ravage!!!
01-28-2012, 02:13 PM
I can't blame the defensive coordinator for giving up 40+ games when our offense couldn't keep the ball without punting 11 times a game. You give the other team that many possessions, and its going to eventually rain.

BroncoWave
01-28-2012, 02:22 PM
I can't blame the defensive coordinator for giving up 40+ games when our offense couldn't keep the ball without punting 11 times a game. You give the other team that many possessions, and its going to eventually rain.

Ok fine. I can't give him full credit for any turnaround when he had two pro bowl players added to the roster who weren't here last season.

Ravage!!!
01-28-2012, 02:34 PM
Ok fine. I can't give him full credit for any turnaround when he had two pro bowl players added to the roster who weren't here last season.

Ahh.. so you are trying to give someone else an excuse/pass and take away from Allen. Ok.

BroncoWave
01-28-2012, 02:43 PM
Ahh.. so you are trying to give someone else an excuse/pass and take away from Allen. Ok.

Take away from what? His 22nd ranked defense?

broncobryce
01-28-2012, 03:11 PM
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e70/ginuwin794/Kermitsbutthole.jpg

FlyByU
01-28-2012, 04:41 PM
I am neutral with this hiring I will wait and see what happens.

Nomad
01-28-2012, 08:03 PM
I like Del Rio. I hope he becomes a great DC for the BRONCOS.

Simple Jaded
01-28-2012, 08:04 PM
Great pickup for Denver.

I know some people would've preferred Denver promote Smith, and the continuity angle makes a lot of sense; Will Denver be looking for their 8th DC in 8 seasons if Del Rio is offered another HC job? Valid concern, but Del Rio is probably more accomplished than Smith. And you're not gonna date Jennifer Aniston if you can date Megan Fox just because you think the relationship will last longer, especially if you can still date Aniston when Fox comes to her senses.

Assuming Smith sticks around he'll be an option again when/if Del Rio is recycled.

Out of all the available candidates Del Rio was the best fit.......

Simple Jaded
01-28-2012, 08:11 PM
By the way, l don't see why Joe Mays should be replaced, he took a 1-4 team to the playoffs. Del Rio has to build his system around Mays' unique skill set.......

broncobryce
01-28-2012, 08:43 PM
By the way, l don't see why Joe Mays should be replaced, he took a 1-4 team to the playoffs. Del Rio has to build his system around Mays' unique skill set.......

But he also led them to a 1-4 start.

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VonSackemMiller
01-28-2012, 08:57 PM
Hopefully, he'll be a little more creative with his scheme than in the past...


Linebacker sacks in a Del Rio system

Mark Fields, LLB, 7.5, Carolina, 2002 (Del Rio)
Akin Ayodele, LLB, 1, Jacksonville, 2003 (Mike Smith)
Mike Peterson, MLB, 5, Jacksonville, 2004 (Mike Smith)
Mike Peterson, MLB, 6, Jacksonville, 2005 (Mike Smith)
Daryl Smith, RLB, 4, Jacksonville, 2005 (Mike Smith)
Daryl Smith, MLB, 3, Jacksonville, 2006 (Mike Smith)
Mike Peterson, MLB, 2, Jacksonville, 2007 (Mike Smith)
Daryl Smith, MLB, 2.5, Jacksonville, 2008 (Gregg Williams)
Daryl Smith, LLB, 1.5, Jacksonville, 2009 (Mel Tucker)
Daryl Smith, LLB, 3.5, Jacksonville, 2010 (Mel Tucker)
Daryl Smith, LLB, 3.5, Jacksonville, 2011 (Mel Tucker)

*Parentheses are defensive coordinator, position is as listed by pro-football-reference
None of those clowns are von miller, u make some,of the dumbest points

dogfish
01-28-2012, 09:00 PM
Great pickup for Denver.

I know some people would've preferred Denver promote Smith, and the continuity angle makes a lot of sense; Will Denver be looking for their 8th DC in 8 seasons if Del Rio is offered another HC job? Valid concern, but Del Rio is probably more accomplished than Smith. And you're not gonna date Jennifer Aniston if you can date Megan Fox just because you think the relationship will last longer, especially if you can still date Aniston when Fox comes to her senses.

Assuming Smith sticks around he'll be an option again when/if Del Rio is recycled.

Out of all the available candidates Del Rio was the best fit.......

smith is friggin' turrible. . . who the hell would want him as the DC?

:noidea:


i didn't see a single post in favor of him, musta missed those. . .

Ziggy
01-28-2012, 10:07 PM
Hopefully, he'll be a little more creative with his scheme than in the past...


Linebacker sacks in a Del Rio system

Mark Fields, LLB, 7.5, Carolina, 2002 (Del Rio)
Akin Ayodele, LLB, 1, Jacksonville, 2003 (Mike Smith)
Mike Peterson, MLB, 5, Jacksonville, 2004 (Mike Smith)
Mike Peterson, MLB, 6, Jacksonville, 2005 (Mike Smith)
Daryl Smith, RLB, 4, Jacksonville, 2005 (Mike Smith)
Daryl Smith, MLB, 3, Jacksonville, 2006 (Mike Smith)
Mike Peterson, MLB, 2, Jacksonville, 2007 (Mike Smith)
Daryl Smith, MLB, 2.5, Jacksonville, 2008 (Gregg Williams)
Daryl Smith, LLB, 1.5, Jacksonville, 2009 (Mel Tucker)
Daryl Smith, LLB, 3.5, Jacksonville, 2010 (Mel Tucker)
Daryl Smith, LLB, 3.5, Jacksonville, 2011 (Mel Tucker)

*Parentheses are defensive coordinator, position is as listed by pro-football-reference

It's not as if he hasn't seen linebackers used to rush on his team. Peter Boulware has 32 sacks in 3 seasons as a SLB while JDR was the linebackers coach in Baltimore. He hasn't had a linebacker that was even remotely close to having that ability since.

MOtorboat
01-28-2012, 10:11 PM
None of those clowns are von miller, u make some,of the dumbest points

I love the assumptions people make.

I think he's better than those players too. But that is not the point, which is, apparently, totally lost on people.

Jack Del Rio's (and John Fox's) defenses were schematically straight up defensese. Every single one of them.

But point that out, and people blow a gasket...

I HOPE Del Rio and Fox realize that. I want them to realize that. But I'm pointing out the obvious POSSIBILITY that the defense could change.

For someone who gets über-pissed and irrational about the conservative offensive philosophy and "Fox Ball" I'd think you'd realize how conservative of a move this actually is....

MOtorboat
01-28-2012, 10:12 PM
It's not as if he hasn't seen linebackers used to rush on his team. Peter Boulware has 32 sacks in 3 seasons as a SLB while JDR was the linebackers coach in Baltimore. He hasn't had a linebacker that was even remotely close to having that ability since.

Peter Boulware wasn't that talented. And Del Rio didn't dictate that scheme.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-28-2012, 10:30 PM
@psmyth12 Patrick Smyth
Broncos new DC Jack Del Rio helped Jags place as 1-of-5 teams with top-7 defenses in both points and yards from '03-11.
8 hours ago via web

http://twitter.com/Denver_Broncos

MOtorboat
01-28-2012, 10:31 PM
http://twitter.com/Denver_Broncos

The actual architect of that defense is the head coach of Atlanta.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-28-2012, 10:37 PM
good article on Broncos' site

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Del-Rio-Pegged-as-Defensive-Coordinator/24c007f2-e6e0-4d09-b750-5b0a731002aa

BroncoJoe
01-28-2012, 11:12 PM
Well, had Denver hired Dick LeBeau Mo would bitch about it.

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MOtorboat
01-28-2012, 11:23 PM
Well, had Denver hired Dick LeBeau Mo would bitch about it.

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At least he has a good resume.

Ziggy
01-28-2012, 11:33 PM
At least he has a good resume.

McCoy had no resume as an O coordinator before Denver, yet you defend him at every turn. Now that JDR is here, you're complaining because you don't like his resume? I'm beginning to think that you just want to have something to argue about Mo.

MOtorboat
01-28-2012, 11:36 PM
McCoy had no resume as an O coordinator before Denver, yet you defend him at every turn. Now that JDR is here, you're complaining because you don't like his resume? I'm beginning to think that you just want to have something to argue about Mo.

He has a season with a terrible quarterback, so yes, I will defend him to some degree.

BroncoJoe
01-28-2012, 11:38 PM
It's laughable, really.

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MOtorboat
01-28-2012, 11:42 PM
It's laughable, really.

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What, you attack McCoy for Tebow's inability and regale in Allen's success because of Miller...

BroncoWave
01-28-2012, 11:45 PM
McCoy had no resume as an O coordinator before Denver, yet you defend him at every turn. Now that JDR is here, you're complaining because you don't like his resume? I'm beginning to think that you just want to have something to argue about Mo.

Bingo. Unleashing his pent-up midget anger. I like you a lot MO, but you can be pretty irrational at times.

BroncoJoe
01-28-2012, 11:46 PM
What, you attack McCoy for Tebow's inability and regale in Allen's success because of Miller...

WTF are you typing about?

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MOtorboat
01-28-2012, 11:50 PM
Bingo. Unleashing his pent-up midget anger. I like you a lot MO, but you can be pretty irrational at times.

It's OK. Make it personal against me. Doesn't change the things about our new DC that I know...

BroncoWave
01-28-2012, 11:53 PM
It's OK. Make it personal against me. Doesn't change the things about our new DC that I know...

:lol: That you know huh? So Pete Prisco knows more about the goings on in the Jags locker room than the multiple former players who defended him huh?

Every stat that has been posted pretty well wipes out the weak stats you have served up and the quotes from players pretty well contradict any notion that he's not a good defensive coach.

MOtorboat
01-28-2012, 11:54 PM
:lol: That you know huh? So Pete Prisco knows more about the goings on in the Jags locker room than the multiple former players who defended him huh?

Every stat that has been posted pretty well wipes out the weak stats you have served up and the quotes from players pretty well contradict any notion that he's not a good defensive coach.

Talk about crusades.

Trust me, stop it.

BroncoJoe
01-28-2012, 11:55 PM
MO, did you shower with JDR?

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chazoe60
01-28-2012, 11:56 PM
What is it you know about Del Rio?

Fox is the HC so his will be the main influence. Lets give JDR the courtesy of one preseason game before we condemn him.

And MO, the constant "terrible quarterback" jabs are getting ******* old and annoying.

BroncoWave
01-29-2012, 12:02 AM
Talk about crusades.

Trust me, stop it.

Yeah, I do have a crusade against stupidity. I can't help it.

NightTrainLayne
01-29-2012, 12:04 AM
It's getting a little too personal in here guys. Keep it on topic please.

Ziggy
01-29-2012, 12:08 AM
Give the guy a chance Mo. He's a respected defensive mind in the NFL. Jacksonville had some darn good defenses for many years. They were also some of the toughest, most physical teams in the NFL regardless of the talent level. The one year that he was a D coordinator, he was insanely successful. You can talk about Julius Peppers coming in that year all you want. The Panthers still have had a top 5 defense only one other year out of the 9 since he was the D coordinator. He was good at his job.

BroncoWave
01-29-2012, 12:13 AM
Give the guy a chance Mo. He's a respected defensive mind in the NFL. Jacksonville had some darn good defenses for many years. They were also some of the toughest, most physical teams in the NFL regardless of the talent level. The one year that he was a D coordinator, he was insanely successful. You can talk about Julius Peppers coming in that year all you want. The Panthers still have had a top 5 defense only one other year out of the 9 since he was the D coordinator. He was good at his job.

Nope, he's too lazy to coach defense. Pete Prisco said so.

nevcraw
01-29-2012, 12:43 AM
Failed?

He had the best rushing attack in the league and was handicapped by a terrible quarterback...

yeah only after got that terrible QB in the lineup did they have a rushing attack. oh yeah that terrible QB also led the team to it's first playoff win since 05..

Mccoy was alright but more of a passenger than a driver..

VonSackemMiller
01-29-2012, 01:05 AM
Talk about crusades.

Trust me, stop it.

I think you enjoy getting owned. It happens so frequent that you just have to love it, I know there arent people as clueless as you naturally.

VonSackemMiller
01-29-2012, 01:16 AM
I really dont know,why you all waste your time with that guy, hes one if the least knowledgable fans on,the entire board. Lol all I do is laugh now, hell never get another football discussion from me

Ziggy
01-29-2012, 01:47 AM
I really dont know,why you all waste your time with that guy, hes one if the least knowledgable fans on,the entire board. Lol all I do is laugh now, hell never get another football discussion from me

You're wrong. Mo has a ton of sports knowlege and most of us respect his opinion. He gets a little extreme at times when he gets challenged, but he's not stupid. Folks need to remember that we're all rooting for the same team and stop attacking when opinions vary.

VonSackemMiller
01-29-2012, 03:32 AM
You're wrong. Mo has a ton of sports knowlege and most of us respect his opinion. He gets a little extreme at times when he gets challenged, but he's not stupid. Folks need to remember that we're all rooting for the same team and stop attacking when opinions vary.

Whatever.

TXBRONC
01-29-2012, 09:21 AM
And what truth am I stretching?

Lets see. Saying he's notoriously lazy. Come on you know that implies that he's never work hard regardless of what position he's held. You dug up all of one article from Pete Prisco and that has to be the gospel truth?

When he's assistant you criticized him for having good player for crying out loud. That's not one your better arguments Mo. If that's the case then Dick LaBeau is fraud because his defense littered with dominate players.

Jsteve01
01-29-2012, 09:58 AM
I really dont know,why you all waste your time with that guy, hes one if the least knowledgable fans on,the entire board. Lol all I do is laugh now, hell never get another football discussion from me

I give you casino

HORSEPOWER 56
01-29-2012, 10:51 AM
It's really hard not to give Del Rio some credit for his defenses. You can say what you want about him being "lazy" but he has produced defensive results.

For every "Del Rio looked good because of his players" statement, you could say that about any coach. The facts of the matter are simple:

- Del Rio coached the Ravens LB corps (the heart and soul of that defense) to being a unit that was compared with the '85 Bears. Ray Lewis, Peter Boulware, and Jamie Sharper had their best seasons under Del Rio (Boulware's production all but disappeared after Del Rio left). Of course, the counter is that he wasn't the DC and it was all Marvin Lewis' doing along with having talented players...

- Del Rio took over as the DC in Carolina and took them from 30th in the league to top 5 in one season. Of course the counter is that it was Fox and the fact that he had Julius Peppers.

- Del Rio became the HC of the Jaguars and their defense was top 10 in the league for his 1st 5 seasons, regardless of talent level (which wasn't jaw-dropping, if you don't believe me, check the rosters from those years). Of course the counter is that that was all Mike Smith (now ATL's HC).

- After 2 years of a not-so-good team that struggled in every aspect, Del Rio once again brought his defense into the top ten this past year with an offense that had as many 3 and outs and was even less talented than ours. Of course the counter is that it was all Mel Tucker.

So, looking at it objectively, either Del Rio is a pretty good defensive minded coach, or he's always been fortunate to surround himself with great defensive coaches. We'll see...

Jsteve01
01-29-2012, 11:55 AM
Great post horsepower

arapaho2
01-29-2012, 12:22 PM
He has a season with a terrible quarterback, so yes, I will defend him to some degree.

oh yes...a bad qb

but dont you mean two years....orton was the starter with mccoy the oc in 09-2010

:lol:

TXBRONC
01-30-2012, 07:57 AM
Wow, great hire.

A lot of Oakland Fans REALLY wanted Del Rio but what a great replacement for Allen.

You guys should just hope this one sticks. (Even though I'm pretty sure he will.)

I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually gets another shot at being a head coach but I think he could end up being here for at least a couple years before he gets another shot at being a head coach.

JaxBroncoGirl
01-30-2012, 09:12 AM
Head coach or assistant? I doubt he ascended through the coaching ranks by being lazy.

I am telling you from being in Jacksonville, his massive EGO is going to hit some heads on the sidelines. He was in his last year here and was coming in at 9:00am and leaving at 2:00 and 3:00 pm daily. He never thought Wayne Weaver would fire him, when Wayne fired him in mid season he was shocked.

Secondly, Maurice Jones Drew "qouted" by the paper simply stated you never knew which JDR would show up to work, the one that was your friend and coach or the one that was gonna completely ignore you.

This is not a good hire, I hope it works out for the Broncos! I just have a feeling JDR is finished in this league.

JaxBroncoGirl
01-30-2012, 09:14 AM
So of anyone in the world, Del Rio is the worst possible choice to coordinate our defense. Yeah, you are really being objective! :lol:

Are you secretly a disgruntled Jags fan or something? Fred Taylor HIMSELF even admitted that he's a good defensive coach. It's going to take more than one report from Pete Prisco for me to believe he is notoriously lazy. What's lazy was his reporting of that article. He could have easily just been burnt out from the sorry state of affairs in Jacksonville as of late.

Fred Taylor hated him. Just thought you would like to know....

I am not a Jags hater, just NEVER thought JDR was a great coach, secondly, Mel Tucker is the DC it is HIS defense.....

JDR never took responsiblity, he always threw his coaches under the bus during interviews. Lets see how you react when he does it, and he will....

MileHighCrew
01-30-2012, 09:23 AM
getting fired mid season and removed the way he did probably has JDR all fired up and he will come in with a attitude to get it done. Any lazy side or content JDR felt has probably been replaced with a bit of angry and a need to prove people wrong. Perfect attitude to help our D keep building.
With this hiring, I am more worried about the O trying to keep up with the D, because the Broncos are going to be strong on D.

Bronco Bible
01-30-2012, 09:46 AM
did he not play for KC?

SOCALORADO.
01-30-2012, 09:48 AM
JDR did have a massive ego. He is a solid coach, and should be able to improve upon the already stout defense.
I also think that much of the problem with Jack was brought to his attention by Fox, and discussed at length before he was given the position. I am sure fox will inititially have him on a short leash, and i expect him to fall right back in line as a Fox guy.
This is a very humbling experience for Jack.

MOtorboat
01-30-2012, 09:52 AM
JDR did have a massive ego. He is a solid coach, and should be able to improve upon the already stout defense.
I also think that much of the problem with Jack was brought to his attention by Fox, and discussed at length before he was given the position. I am sure fox will inititially have him on a short leash, and i expect him to fall right back in line as a Fox guy.
This is a very humbling experience for Jack.

How could we possibly know any of that?

BroncoWave
01-30-2012, 10:30 AM
How could we possibly know any of that?

I hope everyone pauses and takes a second to enjoy the massive irony in this post. :lol:

JaxBroncoGirl
01-30-2012, 10:35 AM
How could we possibly know any of that?

Just look at the sidelines and you can tell the man has an EGO, ask any devout Jags fan and they will tell you he snubbed his nose half the time toward the fans and Always threw his coaches under the bus.....ask any player.

MOtorboat
01-30-2012, 10:37 AM
I hope everyone pauses and takes a second to enjoy the massive irony in this post. :lol:

The irony is the things that you think you know.

BroncoWave
01-30-2012, 10:38 AM
The irony is the things that you think you know.

What exactly have I claimed to KNOW in this thread?

TXBRONC
01-30-2012, 10:38 AM
Hopefully, he'll be a little more creative with his scheme than in the past...


Linebacker sacks in a Del Rio system

Mark Fields, LLB, 7.5, Carolina, 2002 (Del Rio)
Akin Ayodele, LLB, 1, Jacksonville, 2003 (Mike Smith)
Mike Peterson, MLB, 5, Jacksonville, 2004 (Mike Smith)
Mike Peterson, MLB, 6, Jacksonville, 2005 (Mike Smith)
Daryl Smith, RLB, 4, Jacksonville, 2005 (Mike Smith)
Daryl Smith, MLB, 3, Jacksonville, 2006 (Mike Smith)
Mike Peterson, MLB, 2, Jacksonville, 2007 (Mike Smith)
Daryl Smith, MLB, 2.5, Jacksonville, 2008 (Gregg Williams)
Daryl Smith, LLB, 1.5, Jacksonville, 2009 (Mel Tucker)
Daryl Smith, LLB, 3.5, Jacksonville, 2010 (Mel Tucker)
Daryl Smith, LLB, 3.5, Jacksonville, 2011 (Mel Tucker)

*Parentheses are defensive coordinator, position is as listed by pro-football-reference


Mark Fields, Akin Ayodele, Mike Peterson, and Daryl Smith really? Not a one of them has Miller's abiility to rush the pass rusher. If Del Rio is stupid he wont make use of Miller's talent and that will get him fired. Until he proves me wrong I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Do you really think Fox is that stupid as well? One of the main reasons that Miller was drafted was because of his ability to rush the passer.

MOtorboat
01-30-2012, 10:39 AM
Just look at the sidelines and you can tell the man has an EGO, ask any devout Jags fan and they will tell you he snubbed his nose half the time toward the fans and Always threw his coaches under the bus.....ask any player.

Lies. All lies.

I order you to get on board with this hiring!

BroncoWave
01-30-2012, 10:42 AM
Just look at the sidelines and you can tell the man has an EGO, ask any devout Jags fan and they will tell you he snubbed his nose half the time toward the fans and Always threw his coaches under the bus.....ask any player.

Any player? Like the three who vehemently defended him on twitter after he was fired? Or Taylor, who said him self that he is a great defensive coach?

JaxBroncoGirl
01-30-2012, 10:42 AM
Lies. All lies.

I order you to get on board with this hiring!

Never, I say never, well ok only if the defense drastically improves......Oh, wait lets see JDR Massive Ego on the sidelines with Fox and Elway and see who wins the contest......

Oh, thank you Mr. Weaver for my first chance being head coach, next day he is at LSU interviewing for the head coach......................

JaxBroncoGirl
01-30-2012, 10:50 AM
Any player? Like the three who vehemently defended him on twitter after he was fired? Or Taylor, who said him self that he is a great defensive coach?

I cannot count Smith's tweet, although he hated him, McCardell hated him, Taylor could not stand him.

The man is a massive Ego Loser.....

BroncoWave
01-30-2012, 10:59 AM
I cannot count Smith's tweet, although he hated him, McCardell hated him, Taylor could not stand him.

The man is a massive Ego Loser.....

Oh, so the supportive things players said don't count. I see. Well thanks for showing me your objectivity level!

TXBRONC
01-30-2012, 11:09 AM
I cannot count Smith's tweet, although he hated him, McCardell hated him, Taylor could not stand him.

The man is a massive Ego Loser.....

Having a big ego isn't problem. His job is to run defense and if can do that well Denver will be ok.

CoachChaz
01-30-2012, 11:17 AM
Who cares if a coach had an ego? Most good coaches do. The last one to take us to the Super Bowl had one

Thnikkaman
01-30-2012, 11:25 AM
Only on a sports message board to people take it personal when a Defensive Coordinator was hired.

Nobody is going to know how good this guy is until he implements someone's system (don't know if its going to be his or Fox's [Fox's most likely]) until its been game tested with our personnel. We thought Spagnuolo was going to be a great head coach, and look what happened.

We all might as well be arguing that Blue is a better color than Red.

MOtorboat
01-30-2012, 11:30 AM
Only on a sports message board to people take it personal when a Defensive Coordinator was hired.

Nobody is going to know how good this guy is until he implements someone's system (don't know if its going to be his or Fox's [Fox's most likely]) until its been game tested with our personnel. We thought Spagnuolo was going to be a great head coach, and look what happened.

We all might as well be arguing that Blue is a better color than Red.

Of COURSE blue is better than red. I can't believe you even thought that was debateable. Jeesh.

BroncoNut
01-30-2012, 11:34 AM
Who cares if a coach had an ego? Most good coaches do. The last one to take us to the Super Bowl had one

ego has been involved in some negatives and therefore gets a bad rap.

Thnikkaman
01-30-2012, 11:37 AM
Of COURSE blue is better than red. I can't believe you even thought that was debateable. Jeesh.

I agree, but there are others that are just plain wrong.

BroncoNut
01-30-2012, 11:53 AM
Lies. All lies.

I order you to get on board with this hiring!

no kiddin JGG. life's not a soap opera. people actually have some character defects and function quite effectively.

BroncoNut
01-30-2012, 11:55 AM
[QUOTE=JaxBroncoGirl;1537326]Fred Taylor hated him. Just thought you would like to know....

QUOTE]

oh yeah? so fred taylor is the final say on a man's character huh? FT can go suck a lemon as far as I am concerned.

Nomad
01-30-2012, 12:13 PM
Personnally, I'll take red for color.

I would say Del Rio had short timers disease because he knew he was out the door. It happens to the best of people when they know their time is short especially at a job. As far as ego, he can have all the ego he wants as long as he delivers a solid defense on the field. He may butt heads with Elway.

Give the man a chance before shooting him down.

BroncoWave
01-30-2012, 12:19 PM
Personnally, I'll take red for color.

I would say Del Rio had short timers disease because he knew he was out the door. It happens to the best of people when they know their time is short especially at a job. As far as ego, he can have all the ego he wants as long as he delivers a solid defense on the field. He may butt heads with Elway.

Give the man a chance before shooting him down.

GREAT point. People like Mo are trying to claim that he is "notoriously" lazy, yet only cite the one article that talks about his laziness in his final year in Jacksonville.

And hearing people complain about his ego is comical, and makes it pretty clear they never played football. Any football coach worth a damn has an ego. He'll ultimately be judged on his results, not his personality.

MOtorboat
01-30-2012, 12:21 PM
GREAT point. People like Mo are trying to claim that he is "notoriously" lazy, yet only cite the one article that talks about his laziness in his final year in Jacksonville.

And hearing people complain about his ego is comical, and makes it pretty clear they never played football. Any football coach worth a damn has an ego. He'll ultimately be judged on his results, not his personality.

Read NTL's comment in the other thread. And yes, he was notoriously lazy.

BroncoWave
01-30-2012, 12:27 PM
Read NTL's comment in the other thread. And yes, he was notoriously lazy.

Which you have provided no proof of. You've only proven that he got lazy toward the end of his Jags tenure.

Thnikkaman
01-30-2012, 12:28 PM
BTB, do you have to be right, or have the last word?

BeefStew25
01-30-2012, 02:29 PM
BTB, do you have to be right, or have the last word?

All information is only gotten online or in print. No other means.

BroncoWave
01-30-2012, 02:30 PM
BTB, do you have to be right, or have the last word?

Sorry, I'll just stop posting and delete my account now. Thanks!

BeefStew25
01-30-2012, 02:32 PM
Sorry, I'll just stop posting and delete my account now. Thanks!

Please make a goodbye thread before you do. With extra whine.

BroncoWave
01-30-2012, 02:33 PM
Please make a goodbye thread before you do. With extra whine.

Well obviously. You can't leave without a goodbye thread!

BroncoNut
01-30-2012, 04:59 PM
no BTB. Don't go.

Thnikkaman
01-30-2012, 08:41 PM
Sorry, I'll just stop posting and delete my account now. Thanks!

You can continue banging your head against the wall if you prefer. Your opinion's been stated, so has Mo's. We'll know this time next year who was right.

Act like you've been there before. You work for an NFL team for ****s sake.

HORSEPOWER 56
01-30-2012, 08:45 PM
Just look at the sidelines and you can tell the man has an EGO, ask any devout Jags fan and they will tell you he snubbed his nose half the time toward the fans and Always threw his coaches under the bus.....ask any player.

Really? JDR had his own show every week down here on local TV where he freely discussed the team and addressed the concerns of the fans. He never seemed to snub the fans and they always cheered hard for him when they announced him at home games.

No the last few years haven't been exactly good seasons for them, but the Jags are a small market team who had a cheapskate owner and an incompetent GM (who made the personnel decisions) who just got a 4 year contract extension as JDR was getting fired. The fact that they never were 0-16, 2-14, or even 4-12 (like some other team we know) during his tenure just goes to show that Del Rio isn't a bad coach and deserves a lot more credit than you're showing him.

Perhaps you should stick to college ball and UF because the things you're saying about Del Rio just aren't true.