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Denver Native (Carol)
03-06-2009, 07:55 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3958292

The Florida State football team will vacate an undetermined number of wins, serve four years' probation, and face a reduction in scholarships and other penalties due to what the NCAA described Friday as "major violations" from an academic cheating scandal.

Nine other programs were also penalized -- baseball, men's track and field, women's track and field, men's swimming, women's swimming, men's basketball, women's basketball, softball and men's golf -- and face the same sanctions. Overall, the scandal involved 61 athletes.

Football coach Bobby Bowden would have entered the coming season with 382 career victories, trailing Penn State coach Joe Paterno by one win on the all-time list. The sanctions will force him to forfeit all wins during which ineligible students competed in 2006 and 2007.

It is not immediately clear how many wins Florida State will have to vacate. Dennis Thomas, the vice chair of the NCAA Committee on Infractions and acting chair for the FSU case, said only one ineligible player would have had to participate in a game for the entire team record to be vacated. Still, Thomas said the NCAA had no evidence the university knowingly played ineligible athletes.

Florida State is considering appealing the sanction that would force the Seminoles to vacate wins.

"We believe that the NCAA confirmed that our investigative efforts and our self-imposed penalties were appropriate," Florida State president T.K. Wetherell said in a statement Friday. "We already began implementing our self-imposed penalties. And we will begin implementing all but one of the NCAA's additional sanctions.

"We just don't understand the sanction to vacate all wins in athletics contests in which ineligible student-athletes competed because we did not allow anyone who we knew was ineligible to compete. Our position throughout the inquiry was that as soon as we knew of a problem, they didn't play."

In November 2007, Florida State and the NCAA agreed that athletes who had received "improper help" would be suspended for 30 percent of their seasons. According to the Orlando Sentinel, officials interviewed 75 individuals, and 39 admitted receiving improper assistance in an online music course. Roughly two dozen football players were suspended for the Music City Bowl, which FSU lost 35-28 to Kentucky. The Seminoles also suspended about 10 players for the first three games of the 2008 season.

FSU officials and players were under the impression those athletes had already served their punishment, but Thomas said on Friday that the instant a player cheated in class -- regardless of whether school officials knew about it -- he became ineligible, and if that athlete played in a game, it must be vacated. That could cost FSU games from 2006, when the academic fraud began.

"They are ineligible at the time of that violation until they are reinstated," Thomas said. "If they participated while ineligible, obviously the games they participated in will have to be vacated. The trigger is if those 61 individuals obviously as identified by the institution committed academic fraud. At that point, they rendered themselves ineligible."

The football team will be limited to 83 total scholarships in 2008-09; 82 in 2009-10; and 84 in 2010-11; the maximum usually allowed by the NCAA is 85. Florida State self-imposed the loss of the two scholarships for 2008-09, and will self-impose the loss of three scholarships for 2009-10. The NCAA added an additional loss of scholarship from the maximum in 2010-11.

The committee stated this case was "extremely serious" because of the large number of student-athletes involved and the fact that academic fraud is considered by the committee to be among the most egregious of NCAA rules violations.

Florida State's probation extends through March 5, 2013.

"I must say that Florida State did a great job in cooperating with the enforcement staff in accumulating all of the information that was required," Thomas said. "Yes, Florida State did self-report. They did an outstanding job. We have to give Florida State University credit for that."

The NCAA determined that a former learning specialist, academic adviser and tutor gave "improper assistance" to Florida State athletes who were taking online courses. According to the NCAA, the former learning specialist typed portions of papers for at least three athletes and also provided answers to an online psychology course quiz by instructing another athlete to complete the quiz on behalf of the athlete enrolled in the course.

Heather Dinich covers the ACC for ESPN.com.

OrangeHoof
03-06-2009, 10:13 PM
...and they STILL can't beat Florida anymore, even when they cheat.

OrangeHoof
03-06-2009, 10:15 PM
An "online music course"?? What was that? Ripping From Napster 101?? LOL!

bullis26
03-06-2009, 10:28 PM
...and they STILL can't beat Florida anymore, even when they cheat.

they didnt cheat in football so that comment really doesnt apply at all they cheated in school, but who hasnt

Davii
03-06-2009, 10:56 PM
they didnt cheat in football so that comment really doesnt apply at all they cheated in school, but who hasnt

Which means they cheated in football. If they brought NFL players to play the games would you say they cheated at football?

By having ineligible players on the field they cheated. Period.

bullis26
03-06-2009, 11:18 PM
they werent caught cheating at the time though and until they were caught they shouldve been elgible, unless the school caught them cheating and did absolutely nothing about it they were not cheating football, if they didnt know about it immediately then they didnt cheat football, they just cheated on their schoolwork

Davii
03-06-2009, 11:22 PM
they werent caught cheating at the time though and until they were caught they shouldve been elgible, unless the school caught them cheating and did absolutely nothing about it they were not cheating football, if they didnt know about it immediately then they didnt cheat football, they just cheated on their schoolwork

Funny, that's not what the article says.


the instant a player cheated in class -- regardless of whether school officials knew about it -- he became ineligible

MOtorboat
03-06-2009, 11:25 PM
they werent caught cheating at the time though and until they were caught they shouldve been elgible, unless the school caught them cheating and did absolutely nothing about it they were not cheating football, if they didnt know about it immediately then they didnt cheat football, they just cheated on their schoolwork

You don't have a very real sense of reality.

bullis26
03-06-2009, 11:28 PM
well i dint read the article but i think thats BS i mean its the rules so i guess they should be inelgible, but if the officials didnt know about it they woulda never gotten caught if they werent in sports thats jsut stupid in my opionion

MOtorboat
03-06-2009, 11:30 PM
well i dint read the article but i think thats BS i mean its the rules so i guess they should be inelgible, but if the officials didnt know about it they woulda never gotten caught if they werent in sports thats jsut stupid in my opionion

Why are you even commenting. You have no clue what the article said.

Northman
03-06-2009, 11:32 PM
they werent caught cheating at the time though and until they were caught they shouldve been elgible, unless the school caught them cheating and did absolutely nothing about it they were not cheating football, if they didnt know about it immediately then they didnt cheat football, they just cheated on their schoolwork


You do realize that in order to play football you have to be academically eligable correct? So, if they were cheating on their homework and still played football than that is cheating the game as those players should of never been on the field to begin with.

bullis26
03-06-2009, 11:34 PM
but if your not caught they shouldve been eligble thats all i'm saying, the second they do get caught is when they should become inelgigble thats what ive been trying to say i'll just sum it up for you

MOtorboat
03-06-2009, 11:36 PM
but if your not caught they shouldve been eligble thats all i'm saying, the second they do get caught is when they should become inelgigble thats what ive been trying to say i'll just sum it up for you

Sentences.

They work.

bullis26
03-06-2009, 11:40 PM
haha is this important? NO! if it mattered for me to use grammer in this i would but am i recieving grades or credits for my posts? NO! so until that happens ill save my time even if it is only a fraction of a second

bullis26
03-06-2009, 11:41 PM
Sentences.

They work.

sentances they work huh? sentances. thats not a sentance........ they work. thats not a sentance so if your goig to try and **** me off atleast do the same yourself alright :welcome:

MOtorboat
03-06-2009, 11:43 PM
sentances they work huh? sentances. thats not a sentance........ they work. thats not a sentance so if your goig to try and **** me off atleast do the same yourself alright :welcome:

If I could read your previous responses I might be able to respond.

Good luck.

Northman
03-06-2009, 11:44 PM
but if your not caught they shouldve been eligble thats all i'm saying, the second they do get caught is when they should become inelgigble thats what ive been trying to say i'll just sum it up for you

You shouldnt be rewarded for cheating at any point. Now, you might say why dont the players exams get graded before ballgames but you cant really blame the NCAA from cracking down when they do find out that players have cheated. If a really great player cheated on a test and was allowed to play the championship game and he was the difference do you not think that would be important to the league and to the losing team? No player should be rewarded for cheating in any circumstance. This is why teams often find themselves on probation for long period of time and why scholarships are taken away.

Northman
03-06-2009, 11:45 PM
sentances they work huh? sentances. thats not a sentance........ they work. thats not a sentance so if your goig to try and **** me off atleast do the same yourself alright :welcome:

Actually, if we get MO drunk enough you two might be able to have a good conversation together. :D

bullis26
03-06-2009, 11:45 PM
You shouldnt be rewarded for cheating at any point. Now, you might say why dont the players exams get graded before ballgames but you cant really blame the NCAA from cracking down when they do find out that players have cheated. If a really great player cheated on a test and was allowed to play the championship game and he was the difference do you not think that would be important to the league and to the losing team? No player should be rewarded for cheating in any circumstance. This is why teams often find themselves on probation for long period of time and why scholarships are taken away.

not saying they shoulda been awarded i think they shoulda been suspended but the school shouldnt have been fined if they didnt know.....and to the other guy we were responding so obviously you could read them

Northman
03-06-2009, 11:49 PM
not saying they shoulda been awarded i think they shoulda been suspended but the school shouldnt have been fined if they didnt know.....and to the other guy we were responding so obviously you could read them

Again though, thats not how it works. This is why Coaches need to be aware (as do the teachers) that the players are actually doing the work. They are given scholarships which is essentially free money to represent the school. By fining the school the NCAA can make sure the school officials crack down on their athletic students. Most schools dont run into this problem so it was either an oversight by school officials or the officials didnt care because they wanted to field a competitive team. The fact that FSU had been struggling the last few years kind of makes it look like the Coaches and Teachers were turning a blind eye to some of the players. The NCAA doesnt worry about if it was intentional or not, they just want to nip it in a bud.

bullis26
03-06-2009, 11:52 PM
Again though, thats not how it works. This is why Coaches need to be aware (as do the teachers) that the players are actually doing the work. They are given scholarships which is essentially free money to represent the school. By fining the school the NCAA can make sure the school officials crack down on their athletic students. Most schools dont run into this problem so it was either an oversight by school officials or the officials didnt care because they wanted to field a competitive team. The fact that FSU had been struggling the last few years kind of makes it look like the Coaches and Teachers were turning a blind eye to some of the players. The NCAA doesnt worry about if it was intentional or not, they just want to nip it in a bud.

yeah i understand that now and everything and rules are rules so yes they should be in trouble, but i think its bs.... thats my opionion on it and i know yours is the opposite so it's okay