Broncos Hatred

[CoachChaz]

I recall reading an article a few years ago about how sports fans were prone to allow the accomplishments and defeats of their teams very personally. I really wish I could lacate the article and even moreso the series that it came from and the name of the psychologists that researched and prepared it.

To make it as simple as possible, it basically said that many sports fans used the actions of teir teams to live through because they were incapable otherwise. People will allow the elation of their teams success to help them feel sure enough to make a big purchasing decision or propose marriage, etc. Basically...it took the success of something intangible to give them courage.

On the flip side, it also referenced people that would claim to be a fan of a sports team...but would only reference them with negativity. No matter what the team did, people would still seek the negativity in it. It was claimed that these people did this because of personal frustrations and short-comings in their lives and the lack of something else to vent upon. An example they used was Eagles fans. It asked why Eagles fans got a bad rap, but Phillies/Sixers/Flyers fans were exempt. The psychological reasons they came up with were people living in a large cramped city...in the winter time...suffering economical strife...etc., etc.

Anyway, the last 2-3 years have got me thinking and even somewhat trying to be kind to some people. Quite honestly, there are a few people that use these Forums and do nothing but complain and whine about anything and everything the team does and always feel compelled to find the negative. But I've come to the conclusion that I have merely played my own part in enabling them. It's understood that a sports team will disappoint and will under perform and will break our hearts from time to time. But living out all of your negative emotions through this team is...well...quite simply, it's sad and pathetic.

I just thought now would be a good time to help people take a look in the mirror. If someone fits this psychological profile, I think we should all do our part and call them out and help them start the healing process.

[chazoe60]

Reminds me of one specific poster, who I will not bother to name since most of you probably know what I am insinuating or implying. ;)

[Thnikkaman]

I recall reading an article a few years ago about how sports fans were prone to allow the accomplishments and defeats of their teams very personally. I really wish I could lacate the article and even moreso the series that it came from and the name of the psychologists that researched and prepared it.

To make it as simple as possible, it basically said that many sports fans used the actions of teir teams to live through because they were incapable otherwise. People will allow the elation of their teams success to help them feel sure enough to make a big purchasing decision or propose marriage, etc. Basically...it took the success of something intangible to give them courage.

On the flip side, it also referenced people that would claim to be a fan of a sports team...but would only reference them with negativity. No matter what the team did, people would still seek the negativity in it. It was claimed that these people did this because of personal frustrations and short-comings in their lives and the lack of something else to vent upon. An example they used was Eagles fans. It asked why Eagles fans got a bad rap, but Phillies/Sixers/Flyers fans were exempt. The psychological reasons they came up with were people living in a large cramped city...in the winter time...suffering economical strife...etc., etc.

Anyway, the last 2-3 years have got me thinking and even somewhat trying to be kind to some people. Quite honestly, there are a few people that use these Forums and do nothing but complain and whine about anything and everything the team does and always feel compelled to find the negative. But I've come to the conclusion that I have merely played my own part in enabling them. It's understood that a sports team will disappoint and will under perform and will break our hearts from time to time. But living out all of your negative emotions through this team is...well...quite simply, it's sad and pathetic.

I just thought now would be a good time to help people take a look in the mirror. If someone fits this psychological profile, I think we should all do our part and call them out and help them start the healing process.

I totally agree.

Claymore, please let the healing begin.

[wayninja]

Hotcarl says "TEEEBboieeooeesi!!! Cast iron rations of pure ENERGY!!!:dofiop SHIT EATING!!!!!!"

[claymore]

I totally agree.

Claymore, please let the healing begin.

With the exception to Tebow I think this team is well on its way to being a good team.

Im positive about everything outside of Tebow/McCoy.

[Thnikkaman]

With the exception to Tebow I think this team is well on its way to being a good team.

Im positive about everything outside of Tebow/McCoy.

You haven't been as negative lately. I only called you out because I know you wouldn't get all butt hurt about it.

[Dreadnought]

Good thoughts. I think the worst form though is the guys who would rather have the Broncos fail than be proven wrong. Bronco success with the wrong guy strangely gets twisted into internal gnashing of teeth, and Bronco failure is likewise met with strange and unseemly jubilation. You would almost think that beating the Steelers was a Bronco tragedy, made right by getting properly thumped by the Pats. Very strange

[Chef Zambini]

I recall reading an article a few years ago about how sports fans were prone to allow the accomplishments and defeats of their teams very personally. I really wish I could lacate the article and even moreso the series that it came from and the name of the psychologists that researched and prepared it.

To make it as simple as possible, it basically said that many sports fans used the actions of teir teams to live through because they were incapable otherwise. People will allow the elation of their teams success to help them feel sure enough to make a big purchasing decision or propose marriage, etc. Basically...it took the success of something intangible to give them courage.

On the flip side, it also referenced people that would claim to be a fan of a sports team...but would only reference them with negativity. No matter what the team did, people would still seek the negativity in it. It was claimed that these people did this because of personal frustrations and short-comings in their lives and the lack of something else to vent upon. An example they used was Eagles fans. It asked why Eagles fans got a bad rap, but Phillies/Sixers/Flyers fans were exempt. The psychological reasons they came up with were people living in a large cramped city...in the winter time...suffering economical strife...etc., etc.

Anyway, the last 2-3 years have got me thinking and even somewhat trying to be kind to some people. Quite honestly, there are a few people that use these Forums and do nothing but complain and whine about anything and everything the team does and always feel compelled to find the negative. But I've come to the conclusion that I have merely played my own part in enabling them. It's understood that a sports team will disappoint and will under perform and will break our hearts from time to time. But living out all of your negative emotions through this team is...well...quite simply, it's sad and pathetic.

I just thought now would be a good time to help people take a look in the mirror. If someone fits this psychological profile, I think we should all do our part and call them out and help them start the healing process.sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
I love my broncos.
I love a good arguement.
bronco forums were made for me.
keeps me away from the porn sites !
Psychologists/
My dad has a PHD in psychology, my brother and roommate both college grads from psychology programs .
They all say Im nuts, WTF do they know !

[chazoe60]

Good thoughts. I think the worst form though is the guys who would rather have the Broncos fail than be proven wrong. Bronco success with the wrong guy strangely gets twisted into internal gnashing of teeth, and Bronco failure is likewise met with strange and unseemly jubilation. You would almost think that beating the Steelers was a Bronco tragedy, made right by getting properly thumped by the Pats. Very strange

Reminds me of that guy I was alluding to earlier.

[Chef Zambini]

With the exception to Tebow I think this team is well on its way to being a good team.

Im positive about everything outside of Tebow/McCoy.Did you watch our defense against the PATS?

[claymore]

Good thoughts. I think the worst form though is the guys who would rather have the Broncos fail than be proven wrong. Bronco success with the wrong guy strangely gets twisted into internal gnashing of teeth, and Bronco failure is likewise met with strange and unseemly jubilation. You would almost think that beating the Steelers was a Bronco tragedy, made right by getting properly thumped by the Pats. Very strange

It was a fun year, I think it set us back though.

[Thnikkaman]

Did you watch our defense against the PATS?

I did. I didn't take it personally though.

[claymore]

Did you watch our defense against the PATS?

The only way to beat Brady is to keep him off the field. Our defense didnt do that well, but we had zero chance because of our Offense.

[Dreadnought]

Reminds me of that guy I was alluding to earlier.

Well, you know that I know that you know pretty much what I'm talking about then :D

[rationalfan]

I recall reading an article a few years ago about how sports fans were prone to allow the accomplishments and defeats of their teams very personally. I really wish I could lacate the article and even moreso the series that it came from and the name of the psychologists that researched and prepared it.

To make it as simple as possible, it basically said that many sports fans used the actions of teir teams to live through because they were incapable otherwise. People will allow the elation of their teams success to help them feel sure enough to make a big purchasing decision or propose marriage, etc. Basically...it took the success of something intangible to give them courage.

On the flip side, it also referenced people that would claim to be a fan of a sports team...but would only reference them with negativity. No matter what the team did, people would still seek the negativity in it. It was claimed that these people did this because of personal frustrations and short-comings in their lives and the lack of something else to vent upon. An example they used was Eagles fans. It asked why Eagles fans got a bad rap, but Phillies/Sixers/Flyers fans were exempt. The psychological reasons they came up with were people living in a large cramped city...in the winter time...suffering economical strife...etc., etc.

Anyway, the last 2-3 years have got me thinking and even somewhat trying to be kind to some people. Quite honestly, there are a few people that use these Forums and do nothing but complain and whine about anything and everything the team does and always feel compelled to find the negative. But I've come to the conclusion that I have merely played my own part in enabling them. It's understood that a sports team will disappoint and will under perform and will break our hearts from time to time. But living out all of your negative emotions through this team is...well...quite simply, it's sad and pathetic.

I just thought now would be a good time to help people take a look in the mirror. If someone fits this psychological profile, I think we should all do our part and call them out and help them start the healing process.

love this post.

[Chef Zambini]

when something stinks, I hold my nose and say "pee-uuu"
when the emperor has no clothes, I say'dude, you're naked'
and when i see something wrong with my broncos, I point my finger right at it and say, lets do something about that because it sucks!
I did that for years about shanny, got roasted for it. I initially supported JMCD
( totally Mr. Positive) but following just one loss, the one against the ravens, I pointed out our short-comimngs and declared we would NOT win 3 more games with the orton / JMCd duo offense.
got roasted for that one too !
I called leleie a sideline warrior
and romonowski SCUM.
regardless of what uniform a player wears, I am a realist about their play on the field and honest with myself about who they are off the field!
ray lewis will always be a murderer
and plummer will always be his own person.
I see the world thru these tired old 56 year old eyes and I call em the way i see 'em. sorry if that offends your reality.

[Chef Zambini]

It was a fun year, I think it set us back though.touche` ! if elway allows his decisions to be based on PR and NOT the best interest of our football progress, we will suffer as a team

[Chef Zambini]

love this post.love my cats.

[CoachChaz]

sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
I love my broncos.
I love a good arguement.
bronco forums were made for me.
keeps me away from the porn sites !
Psychologists/
My dad has a PHD in psychology, my brother and roommate both college grads from psychology programs .
They all say Im nuts, WTF do they know !

I agree...and sometimes a cigar is a big, brown dick with one wet end.

[wayninja]

It was a fun year, I think it set us back though.

That almost sounds like a direct contradiction.

[Chef Zambini]

I did. I didn't take it personally though.am I allowed to be upset with goodman and our defensive gameplan, or is that ony a reflection of the short-comings in my own life?

[Chef Zambini]

That almost sounds like a direct contradiction.no it isnt, it was an amazing, miraculous, exciting, thrilling heart pounding year that far exceeded every bronco fans expectations. However, if we think we can show up next year with the same players and coaches and have similar POSITIVE results, then we will indeed be taking a step back!

[Chef Zambini]

I agree...and sometimes a cigar is a big, brown dick with one wet end.the eye of the beholder i guess.

[wayninja]

no it isnt, it was an amazing, miraculous, exciting, thrilling heart pounding year that far exceeded every bronco fans expectations. However, if we think we can show up next year with the same players and coaches and have similar POSITIVE results, then we will indeed be taking a step back!

So... going to the playoffs again next year would be a step back?

The only way to win is to lose. I like that, has a zen sort of feel.

Sorry, but I'll take mediocre seasons while trying to win and getting average draft position to having a lackluster team under perform to get a good draft position any year. I have 0 desire to be the Detroit Lions no matter how well they are doing will all their high draft picks now.

[Ravage!!!]

I think its different on message boards than when talking to people in person. When talking in person with people, you may gripe/bitch/complain a bit, but not too much. On message boards, I think people get tired of doing the "rah rah" routine with each and every post.

I mean, how many times can you say "yay yay" and get any kind of real discussion going? You have to be critical of your own team if you wish to look at them realistically. Sometimes people take a negative comment as an attack, and then its the return volley.

Message boards just aren't the same.

[Thnikkaman]

when something stinks, I hold my nose and say "pee-uuu"
when the emperor has no clothes, I say'dude, you're naked'
and when i see something wrong with my broncos, I point my finger right at it and say, lets do something about that because it sucks!
I did that for years about shanny, got roasted for it. I initially supported JMCD
( totally Mr. Positive) but following just one loss, the one against the ravens, I pointed out our short-comimngs and declared we would NOT win 3 more games with the orton / JMCd duo offense.
got roasted for that one too !
I called leleie a sideline warrior
and romonowski SCUM.
regardless of what uniform a player wears, I am a realist about their play on the field and honest with myself about who they are off the field!
ray lewis will always be a murderer
and plummer will always be his own person.
I see the world thru these tired old 56 year old eyes and I call em the way i see 'em. sorry if that offends your reality.

I find it interesting that Chaz didn't direct this article at anyone, yet you immediately jump on the defensive.

I'm going to define a couple of words here:

realist:

a philosopher who believes that universals are real and exist independently of anyone thinking of them.

pessimist:

a person who expects the worst.


These two words realist and pessimist are not synonyms.

The realistic view of Tim Tebow might be the following:

A young determined quarterback who was done no favors in his development throughout his life as a football quarterback since he has shown the ability to win games at every level. He is a talented football player that has yet to show weather or not some refinement in key quarterbacking skills will show if he has what it takes to be a leading quarterback in the NFL.

The pessimistic view of Tim Tebow is the following:

Tim Tebow will never develop into an elite quarterback. The Broncos should trade him while his price is high.

Notice that in the two opinions stated above, one tries to predict the future while the other uses knowns to formulate the opinion.

Zam, I urge you to take a long look in the mirror at yourself and your opinions. Discern which of those opinions are strongly negative, positive, or realistic. I love your passion, but all of your energy is devoted towards negativity. Understand that being a realist has nothing to do with predicting the future.

And for the love of football and all that is awesome, rip your caps lock key off your keyboard.

[Nomad]

Good thoughts. I think the worst form though is the guys who would rather have the Broncos fail than be proven wrong. Bronco success with the wrong guy strangely gets twisted into internal gnashing of teeth, and Bronco failure is likewise met with strange and unseemly jubilation. You would almost think that beating the Steelers was a Bronco tragedy, made right by getting properly thumped by the Pats. Very strange

It pretty much comes down to this as fans. Yeah, frustration and disappointment can get the best of even the most level headed people but then reality sets in and they realize it's something out of their control and move on hoping for the best in the future of their team.

Hating and dwelling because of a sports team is plain silly especially if it affects one's life.

[Thnikkaman]

am I allowed to be upset with goodman and our defensive gameplan, or is that ony a reflection of the short-comings in my own life?

There is a difference in being upset about something, and taking it personally. Sure I was disappointed with our defensive showing against the Patriots. In both games, they showed that we had no answer to their offensive play makers. Hell, with Gronk and Hernandez coming out of the backfield, they could have beat us with their 3rd string quarterback.

All that being said, I didn't lose any sleep over it, my blood pressure didn't peak, I didn't take it out on my wife or kids, nor did I go Ape shit on a message board over the internet. Its not a battle worth fighting.

Its simple for me. I'll watch every Broncos game, every year until they are either moved to another city, or I loose my sight. If they do well, I'm happy. If they do poorly, I don't let it affect me. No need in letting a business control my emotions.

[wayninja]

No need in letting a business control my emotions.

But you already do. Bayer makes Midol.

[BroncoJoe]

The only thing I'm upset about is having to wait 230+ days to watch them again.

[CoachChaz]

I never named names from the get go and I did that for a reason. I was curious to see who would take it personally and who would defend it. Both for many reasons.

The responses have been both interesting AND predictable.

[Thnikkaman]

But you already do. Bayer makes Midol.

That would be true if I could just get my wife to take the stuff. :beer:

[BroncoStud]

With the exception to Tebow I think this team is well on its way to being a good team.

Im positive about everything outside of Tebow/McCoy.

I'm not... WRs who can't catch, LBers who can't cover, safeties who can't stay on the field, Andre Goodman who can't play football... I think there is a LOT to be concerned about outside of Tebow/McCoy.

Don't forget how putrid the Broncos were the season and a half before Tebow was the starter... Don't forget the Broncos were 1-4 at sitting dead in the water THIS season before Tebow took over.

I was pissed that Cutler got traded too but Tebow is light years better than Orton.

[claymore]

I'm not... WRs who can't catch, LBers who can't cover, safeties who can't stay on the field, Andre Goodman who can't play football... I think there is a LOT to be concerned about outside of Tebow/McCoy.

Don't forget how putrid the Broncos were the season and a half before Tebow was the starter... Don't forget the Broncos were 1-4 at sitting dead in the water THIS season before Tebow took over.

I was pissed that Cutler got traded too but Tebow is light years better than Orton.

The worst thing McDaniels has ever done to the Broncos was draft Tebow. Cutler stung, but it will take a long time to get over this Tebow shit.

If we go to the playoffs, or have a winning season next year with Tebow as the starter, I will gladly eat my crow.

Our defense as bad as it was, improved immensley.

[OrangeHoof]

If there was no football to argue about, we'd be arguing about cars, beer, religion or politics and maybe we do with different handles on different boards. Some just like to argue and feel superior to others.

It's easier to be outrageous behind a fake name to anonymous faces. You'll say things you'd never say to their faces.

I'm not sure it is healthy but I do know that you'll come across a few people with informative things to say who will elevate the discussion and make it worth returning. Once the blather-to-intelligence ratio gets high enough, I'll disappear for awhile.

[CoachChaz]

If there was no football to argue about, we'd be arguing about cars, beer, religion or politics and maybe we do with different handles on different boards. Some just like to argue and feel superior to others.

It's easier to be outrageous behind a fake name to anonymous faces. You'll say things you'd never say to their faces.

I'm not sure it is healthy but I do know that you'll come across a few people with informative things to say who will elevate the discussion and make it worth returning. Once the blather-to-intelligence ratio gets high enough, I'll disappear for awhile.

This isnt about arguing...it's about human personas and how they deal with the actions of a sports team and use them as a conduit for their own personal demons

[OrangeHoof]

This isnt about arguing...it's about human personas and how they deal with the actions of a sports team and use them as a conduit for their own personal demons

And I'm saying if there wasn't a sports team to use as a conduit, they would find something else. They would find it with American Idol or with politics or any other outlet.

[jlarsiii]

I recall reading an article a few years ago about how sports fans were prone to allow the accomplishments and defeats of their teams very personally. I really wish I could lacate the article and even moreso the series that it came from and the name of the psychologists that researched and prepared it.

To make it as simple as possible, it basically said that many sports fans used the actions of teir teams to live through because they were incapable otherwise. People will allow the elation of their teams success to help them feel sure enough to make a big purchasing decision or propose marriage, etc. Basically...it took the success of something intangible to give them courage.

On the flip side, it also referenced people that would claim to be a fan of a sports team...but would only reference them with negativity. No matter what the team did, people would still seek the negativity in it. It was claimed that these people did this because of personal frustrations and short-comings in their lives and the lack of something else to vent upon. An example they used was Eagles fans. It asked why Eagles fans got a bad rap, but Phillies/Sixers/Flyers fans were exempt. The psychological reasons they came up with were people living in a large cramped city...in the winter time...suffering economical strife...etc., etc.

Anyway, the last 2-3 years have got me thinking and even somewhat trying to be kind to some people. Quite honestly, there are a few people that use these Forums and do nothing but complain and whine about anything and everything the team does and always feel compelled to find the negative. But I've come to the conclusion that I have merely played my own part in enabling them. It's understood that a sports team will disappoint and will under perform and will break our hearts from time to time. But living out all of your negative emotions through this team is...well...quite simply, it's sad and pathetic.

I just thought now would be a good time to help people take a look in the mirror. If someone fits this psychological profile, I think we should all do our part and call them out and help them start the healing process.

What is the point of posting this?

To me, it looks like you are implying that one form of fandom, and one form only, is the only acceptable form of fandom (meaning either all rah-rah or all boo-hoo). Then to take it further you state only one version to be "sad and pathetic", and that these people need to heal.

This is way out of bounds. You have no business stating this. Your opinion isn't fact, and your implications in this matter are insulting to fans everywhere who have every right to be the type of fan they want to be.

[CoachChaz]

What is the point of posting this?

To me, it looks like you are implying that one form of fandom, and one form only, is the only acceptable form of fandom (meaning either all rah-rah or all boo-hoo). Then to take it further you state only one version to be "sad and pathetic", and that these people need to heal.

This is way out of bounds. You have no business stating this. Your opinion isn't fact, and your implications in this matter are insulting to fans everywhere who have every right to be the type of fan they want to be.

The only area of opinion is me stating it's sad and pathetic. FWIW, I also think that it is sad and pathetic for people to spend 14 hours a day on Xbox...I also think it's sad and pathetic for people to paint their house in the colors of their favorite sports team...or buy a car in ONLY the color of their school colors.

Lot's of things are sad and pathetic to me, but in this case I was stating information from a psychology magazine in relation to the doom and gloom here.

Dont like it? Dont care. That's your choice

[claymore]

The only area of opinion is me stating it's sad and pathetic. FWIW, I also think that it is sad and pathetic for people to spend 14 hours a day on Xbox...I also think it's sad and pathetic for people to paint their house in the colors of their favorite sports team...or buy a car in ONLY the color of their school colors.

Lot's of things are sad and pathetic to me, but in this case I was stating information from a psychology magazine in relation to the doom and gloom here.

Dont like it? Dont care. That's your choice

Why is it sad to paint your house orange and blue?

[Nomad]

Why is it sad to paint your house orange and blue?

The HOA here wouldn't allow it :lol:

[Jsteve01]

I've always like Chaz because he has the guts to voice his convictions and the ability to separate life from sport.

[Dreadnought]

The HOA here wouldn't allow it :lol:

Commie ********. They should be horsewhipped. Orange and Blue is a splendid color combination, as any thinking man will tell you.

[claymore]

The HOA here wouldn't allow it :lol:


Commie ********. They should be horsewhipped. Orange and Blue is a splendid color combination, as any thinking man will tell you.

Mine either. Thee last HOA I will ever live in. Unless its in a condo or something. Absolutley worthless///

[wayninja]

If we go to the playoffs, or have a winning season next year with Tebow as the starter, I will gladly eat my crow.

Why doesn't this season count?

[chazoe60]

Our house is in an established neighborhood on a culdesac and we have no HOA or covnents, we're living the American dream my friends, the American dream.

[Dreadnought]

Why doesn't this season count?

He's got you there, Clay. No more moving the goalposts my BFF. You oughtta to be eatin' yer crow now, based on the Steelers game

[claymore]

Why doesn't this season count?

Because he is exactly what I thought he was (worst case).

[claymore]

He's got you there, Clay. No more moving the goalposts my BFF. You oughtta to be eatin' yer crow now, based on the Steelers game

I will concede on the TD to eddie royal, but I think the game was a fluke. If not, he will do it more often.

[wayninja]

Because he is exactly what I thought he was (worst case).

Sorry, I still don't understand. You thought he'd take us to the playoffs and a first round win?

[wayninja]

I will concede on the TD to eddie royal, but I think the game was a fluke. If not, he will do it more often.

Oh, I see. You'll eat crow when he does well. And it's not a fluke. And you decide if it's a fluke or not.

Personally I've already decided that if we make the playoffs next year, it will be a fluke.

"Lisa, I'll do the dishes when I pick it out of the chore hat and it's not a practice..... See, there it is! But that was a practice." - Homer Simpson

[claymore]

Sorry, I still don't understand. You thought he'd take us to the playoffs and a first round win?
I thought we would win a few games and he would give alot of Broncos fans false hope. Im still shocked that the AFCW is so bad an 8-8 team wins it.

Oh, I see. You'll eat crow when he does well. And it's not a fluke. And you decide if it's a fluke or not.

Personally I've already decided that if we make the playoffs next year, it will be a fluke.I feel the same way about Tebows 6-0 as I did McDaniels.

Its a paper 6-0. It took some damn lucky ball bounces to win games against shitty teams.

[topscribe]

I find it interesting that Chaz didn't direct this article at anyone, yet you immediately jump on the defensive.

I'm going to define a couple of words here:

realist:

a philosopher who believes that universals are real and exist independently of anyone thinking of them.

pessimist:

a person who expects the worst.


These two words realist and pessimist are not synonyms.

The realistic view of Tim Tebow might be the following:

A young determined quarterback who was done no favors in his development throughout his life as a football quarterback since he has shown the ability to win games at every level. He is a talented football player that has yet to show weather or not some refinement in key quarterbacking skills will show if he has what it takes to be a leading quarterback in the NFL.

The pessimistic view of Tim Tebow is the following:

Tim Tebow will never develop into an elite quarterback. The Broncos should trade him while his price is high.

Notice that in the two opinions stated above, one tries to predict the future while the other uses knowns to formulate the opinion.

Zam, I urge you to take a long look in the mirror at yourself and your opinions. Discern which of those opinions are strongly negative, positive, or realistic. I love your passion, but all of your energy is devoted towards negativity. Understand that being a realist has nothing to do with predicting the future.

And for the love of football and all that is awesome, rip your caps lock key off your keyboard.


I didn't necessarily take it as Zam's getting defensive. I really took it as his
taking part in the thread and advancing his own standpoint on it. I don't know
. . . I could be wrong about it. But I guess it could have been taken more
than one way . . .

[Thnikkaman]

I didn't necessarily take it as Zam's getting defensive. I really took it as his
taking part in the thread and advancing his own standpoint on it. I don't know
. . . I could be wrong about it. But I guess it could have been taken more
than one way . . .

I understand this position. I took it as Zam being contrary because he felt the OP was directed at him.

[wayninja]

I thought we would win a few games and he would give alot of Broncos fans false hope. Im still shocked that the AFCW is so bad an 8-8 team wins it.

A few games? He won 7 out of 11 (8 out of 13 if you count playoffs). C'mon, man, that is NOT what you thought would happen.


I feel the same way about Tebows 6-0 as I did McDaniels.

Fair enough, but still don't think it's what you expected.


Its a paper 6-0. It took some damn lucky ball bounces to win games against shitty teams.

Pittsburgh is shitty? Funny, that's not how the game was billed...

What lucky bounce won that game exactly?

[chazoe60]

Top is not one of these people, in fact I think of Top as very much not one of these people, but the odd thing is that Top is kind of an advocate for these people. Top is like the ACLU for the board, sticking up for those on the fringes. Advocating for the little guy.

[topscribe]

Top is not one of these people, in fact I think of Top as very much not one of these people, but the odd thing is that Top is kind of an advocate for these people. Top is like the ACLU for the board, sticking up for those on the fringes. Advocating for the little guy.

True, I do sometimes meddle probably where I shouldn't, but please don't identify me with a socialist organization.

[claymore]

A few games? He won 7 out of 11 (8 out of 13 if you count playoffs). C'mon, man, that is NOT what you thought would happen. Fair enough, but still don't think it's what you expected.
I expected him to look better than he was for 6 games. I expected to win a majority of his first 6 starts. Based off of a few things.

1. No game film on him, or McCoys offense with him in it.
2. Fox being our first year HC.
3. Weak ass division.

I stated from the start 6 games in to it, teams would start shutting him down. And that him performing mediocre was the worst thing for this team. I wanted him to kill it, or get killed.



Pittsburgh is shitty? Funny, that's not how the game was billed...

What lucky bounce won that game exactly?

Specifically? The blown coverage at the end. J/K That win didnt require the normal last second fumble recovery/onside kick/59 yarder in OT.

Id say the Pitt, Min, and Oak were straight up wins that didnt require some miracle magical thing for a win.

[topscribe]

Some people really do take their team seriously . . .

ZjvXxwvg8mc#!

[Northman]

Interesting thread Chaz, thanks for posting it.


As for me, i dont live or die by what the Broncos do. I used to get really upset as a teen when we lost but once we won a couple of championships the monkey was off my back as a fan because i got to watch one of the greatest QB's of alltime finally get his ring(s).

But i can attest that if im having a bad day for whatever reason i can become a angry poster. Ive seen it happen and often times regret saying something that i really didnt mean or didnt mean to vent out on someone. But it has nothing to do with the ups/downs of the football team. Just to do with my personal life in general which can suck major ass at times.

[Northman]

Some people really do take their team seriously . . .

ZjvXxwvg8mc#!

Oooh, a new "Leave Aaron Alone" vid. :lol:


My best friend is a Packers fan. He didnt call me when we got demolished by the Pats and i didnt call him when the Pack lost on Sunday. I know he wouldnt want to talk about nor would i. lol

[CoachChaz]

Interesting thread Chaz, thanks for posting it.


As for me, i dont live or die by what the Broncos do. I used to get really upset as a teen when we lost but once we won a couple of championships the monkey was off my back as a fan because i got to watch one of the greatest QB's of alltime finally get his ring(s).

But i can attest that if im having a bad day for whatever reason i can become a angry poster. Ive seen it happen and often times regret saying something that i really didnt mean or didnt mean to vent out on someone. But it has nothing to do with the ups/downs of the football team. Just to do with my personal life in general which can suck major ass at times.

We all have bad days and we vent differently. I think what the article pointed towards was using your team as the "weapon" per say. If your life is miserable, you are more likely the type to bitch about it through your team, or passion, or whatever.

So, the person that says "I am a Broncos fan" and then turns around and says "our coach sucks...our QB sucks...we got lucky...we have no talent...our owner is a drunk...our front office has no clue...etc" is really just portraying their life through their team.

Now, I personally believe that some people have a right to do this. Being an Orioles fan...I feel like I can be as negative as I want about the team and it's really all true. But when it's not and someone is just negative about even the things that can be positive or simply are positive...it's just a psychological display of their personality through their passion

[catfish]

We all have bad days and we vent differently. I think what the article pointed towards was using your team as the "weapon" per say. If your life is miserable, you are more likely the type to bitch about it through your team, or passion, or whatever.

So, the person that says "I am a Broncos fan" and then turns around and says "our coach sucks...our QB sucks...we got lucky...we have no talent...our owner is a drunk...our front office has no clue...etc" is really just portraying their life through their team.

Now, I personally believe that some people have a right to do this. Being an Orioles fan...I feel like I can be as negative as I want about the team and it's really all true. But when it's not and someone is just negative about even the things that can be positive or simply are positive...it's just a psychological display of their personality through their passion

I think it is fair to say that in every football game there are going to be negatives and positives. I agree that what you focus on is probably more a reflection of yourself rather than what happened on the field. (Not you specifically, you as a general term). If you don't like a particular player you are going to pick out the bad things, if you like them you tend to ignore the bad and focus on the good. It is the nature of the beast. Also don't underestimate the ability of the media to affect opinions. It is amusing how many ESPN/NFL network arguments I see spewed around here on a daily basis

[catfish]

Interesting thread Chaz, thanks for posting it.


As for me, i dont live or die by what the Broncos do. I used to get really upset as a teen when we lost but once we won a couple of championships the monkey was off my back as a fan because i got to watch one of the greatest QB's of alltime finally get his ring(s).

But i can attest that if im having a bad day for whatever reason i can become a angry poster. Ive seen it happen and often times regret saying something that i really didnt mean or didnt mean to vent out on someone. But it has nothing to do with the ups/downs of the football team. Just to do with my personal life in general which can suck major ass at times.

everyone is entitled to a bad day every once in a while, we take those comments with the understanding that most of your posts are cordial, completely wrong, but still cordial ;)

It is the people that show up every week with the sole intent of pissing in everyones cheerios that they are referring to here. You deal with it everywhere in life, a person is miserable so they try to drag everyone down to their level.

Personally I just enjoy debate and don't really get all too emotionally attached, I get frustrated at times when I feel someone is avoiding logic, but to each his own.

[catfish]

Oooh, a new "Leave Aaron Alone" vid. :lol:


My best friend is a Packers fan. He didnt call me when we got demolished by the Pats and i didnt call him when the Pack lost on Sunday. I know he wouldnt want to talk about nor would i. lol

did you put the sparkles on North? because if not the NE game is your fault :D

[Nomad]

everyone is entitled to a bad day every once in a while, we take those comments with the understanding that most of your posts are cordial, completely wrong, but still cordial ;)

It is the people that show up every week with the sole intent of pissing in everyones cheerios that they are referring to here. You deal with it everywhere in life, a person is miserable so they try to drag everyone down to their level.
Personally I just enjoy debate and don't really get all too emotionally attached, I get frustrated at times when I feel someone is avoiding logic, but to each his own.

My co worker is like....10 hrs a day too long but the bright side it's for only 4 days a week:D. He's a miserable SOB to work around though.

[topscribe]

Oooh, a new "Leave Aaron Alone" vid. :lol:


My best friend is a Packers fan. He didnt call me when we got demolished by the Pats and i didnt call him when the Pack lost on Sunday. I know he wouldnt want to talk about nor would i. lol

Think about how I felt, a Broncos fan first, and a Packers fan second.

I now have nobody to root for. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thdissappointed.gif

[Northman]

Think about how I felt, a Broncos fan first, and a Packers fan second.

I now have nobody to root for. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thdissappointed.gif

There's always Baltimore.......:laugh:

[CoachChaz]

One of my sons is a Pack fan. We have the same understanding. We watched both games together and said nothing.

On the other hand...I know a shit-talker that is conveniently an Alabama/Packers/Yankees fan. I let that ******* have it

[topscribe]

There's always Baltimore.......:laugh:

:throwrock:

[Elevation inc]

The worst thing McDaniels has ever done to the Broncos was draft Tebow. Cutler stung, but it will take a long time to get over this Tebow shit.

If we go to the playoffs, or have a winning season next year with Tebow as the starter, I will gladly eat my crow.

Our defense as bad as it was, improved immensley.

lol our scheme was smoke and mirrors on defense. We have some elite talent on Defense but for the most part our d sucked and was lucky and it still gave up 40 points 5 games this year.....all sides need work and all sides have far more concern then just tebow.....

[claymore]

lol our scheme was smoke and mirrors on defense. We have some elite talent on Defense but for the most part our d sucked and was lucky and it still gave up 40 points 5 games this year.....all sides need work and all sides have far more concern then just tebow.....

I dont think our defense was smoke and mirrors. In 2005 I thought it was. I thought we upgraded our talent and executed better. We actually tackled and showed heart.

I think our offense was smoke and mirrors. We wont be doing much option next year I imagine. Maybe a little once in awhile, but I think as a whole the NFL knows how to handle Tebows Option stuff now.

QB is the most important piece on this team. It should be our greatest concern. We can win it all if other areas of our team stink, but its highly unlikely we ever do anything with a QB that puts up numbers like Tebow. I just dont think he will get better. I think he has reached his ceiling.

[Tned]

I recall reading an article a few years ago about how sports fans were prone to allow the accomplishments and defeats of their teams very personally. I really wish I could lacate the article and even moreso the series that it came from and the name of the psychologists that researched and prepared it.

To make it as simple as possible, it basically said that many sports fans used the actions of teir teams to live through because they were incapable otherwise. People will allow the elation of their teams success to help them feel sure enough to make a big purchasing decision or propose marriage, etc. Basically...it took the success of something intangible to give them courage.

On the flip side, it also referenced people that would claim to be a fan of a sports team...but would only reference them with negativity. No matter what the team did, people would still seek the negativity in it. It was claimed that these people did this because of personal frustrations and short-comings in their lives and the lack of something else to vent upon. An example they used was Eagles fans. It asked why Eagles fans got a bad rap, but Phillies/Sixers/Flyers fans were exempt. The psychological reasons they came up with were people living in a large cramped city...in the winter time...suffering economical strife...etc., etc.

Anyway, the last 2-3 years have got me thinking and even somewhat trying to be kind to some people. Quite honestly, there are a few people that use these Forums and do nothing but complain and whine about anything and everything the team does and always feel compelled to find the negative. But I've come to the conclusion that I have merely played my own part in enabling them. It's understood that a sports team will disappoint and will under perform and will break our hearts from time to time. But living out all of your negative emotions through this team is...well...quite simply, it's sad and pathetic.

I just thought now would be a good time to help people take a look in the mirror. If someone fits this psychological profile, I think we should all do our part and call them out and help them start the healing process.

That's pretty interesting. Something I hadn't really thought of.

That said, once again the Broncos failed. This franchise has become a model of failure. One bad management decision after another. One bad personnel decision after another. The Broncos tried to use the greatest franchise of our time, New England, and they failed at that.

I have no doubt that they will fail in free agency and the draft, as they have every year since the Super Bowl wins. This franchise has been the definition of failure for 12 or so years now.

[Tned]

The only area of opinion is me stating it's sad and pathetic. FWIW, I also think that it is sad and pathetic for people to spend 14 hours a day on Xbox...I also think it's sad and pathetic for people to paint their house in the colors of their favorite sports team...or buy a car in ONLY the color of their school colors.

Lot's of things are sad and pathetic to me, but in this case I was stating information from a psychology magazine in relation to the doom and gloom here.

Dont like it? Dont care. That's your choice

I think Fox & Jacobs communities are pathetic, but I'm jaded.... ;)

[chazoe60]

My co worker is like....10 hrs a day too long but the bright side it's for only 4 days a week:D. He's a miserable SOB to work around though.

I have a ton of guys I work with that are like that.
The two guys I work with everyday are both miserable pieces of shit. One is so impersonal and acts like he does all the work when in fact he's one of the laziest basterds I've ever known. The other is just an Eyore type who constantly complains while making $39 an hr to do very little. My job is awesome except for the people I work with. Sometimes I wonder what my personality flaw is that I got hired because you obviously have to be a **** up to get hired where I work. :laugh:

[CoachChaz]

My boss can be a miserable bitch, but I think that has more to do with roid rage than anything else. Some days he ok...but most days he says and does shit that really should have him fired in pretty much any other workplace. If anyone ever bothered to go to HR about him...he'd be screwed.

[Chef Zambini]

This isnt about arguing...it's about human personas and how they deal with the actions of a sports team and use them as a conduit for their own personal demonswell duh. who needs a PHD in psychology to know that fans live vicariously thru their teams, and how it magnifies their personalities.
Have you seen a raiders home game?
football is a once a week vent for most on gameday! If I lived in denver where bronco talk was rampant, I might not post as much. But alas here in the valley of the sun I can actually meet people who never heard of tebow, HONEST !
So because I have been a bronco fan since the day THEY were born, I praise gore for inventing the web just so i cantalk daily with other bronco fans.
and god bless the anonimity of the WWweb, people will actually say stuff they never would dare to say publicly, thats fun for me as a listener, not just a blabberer.

[CoachChaz]

I think you are completely missing the concept. It has nothing to do with living vicariously through a team or getting upset or elated based on performance.

It comes down to never being able to say something good about it...or never being able to see the bad, based on your personal outlook in life in general or based on issues one may be dealing with personally.

[Thnikkaman]

I think you are completely missing the concept. It has nothing to do with living vicariously through a team or getting upset or elated based on performance.

It comes down to never being able to say something good about it...or never being able to see the bad, based on your personal outlook in life in general or based on issues one may be dealing with personally.

I know I totally come off as a Rose-Tinted glasses type of fan. I try to be objective, but I can't help being optimistic at times. But then again, I have had my posts where I've been very critical of this team.