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SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 12:57 AM
CBS4: Broncos sign Andra Davis and Darrell Reid

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All of the new Broncos (and Brian Dawkins who is going to "sleep on the decision") attended the Nuggets game tonight with Josh McDaniels and Mike Nolan. They interviewed Davis and he sounded excited to come on board. Reid is a possible 5-technique as a 3-4 DE.

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 12:58 AM
sleeping on it huh...

DenBronx
02-28-2009, 01:01 AM
is it too late to rehire the goodmans and go back to thursday night?

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 01:06 AM
Reid is actually a pretty solid piece. He's young and would be a nice fit at 3-4 DE.

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 01:07 AM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/27atwater/reid.jpg

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 01:08 AM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/27atwater/reid2.jpg

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 01:08 AM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/27atwater/reid3.jpg

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 01:08 AM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/27atwater/reid4.jpg

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 01:08 AM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/27atwater/reid5.jpg

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 01:12 AM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/27atwater/ad5.jpg

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 01:13 AM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/27atwater/ad4.jpg

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 01:13 AM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/27atwater/ad3.jpg

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 01:13 AM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/27atwater/ad2.jpg

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 01:13 AM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/27atwater/ad.jpg

SR
02-28-2009, 01:25 AM
Yeah...the pictures don't do shit for me...

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 01:29 AM
well people often admit they don't watch that much and don't know who some of these dudes are. So I think it may help some to put a picture w/ the name.

Cheez Whiz
02-28-2009, 01:37 AM
Yeah...the pictures don't do shit for me...

They can make anyone look 'cool'.

topscribe
02-28-2009, 01:39 AM
well people often admit they don't watch that much and don't know who some of these dudes are. So I think it may help some to put a picture w/ the name.

I enjoy them . . .

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SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 01:41 AM
Thanx!

Lonestar
02-28-2009, 01:44 AM
I enjoy them . . .

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says the old man of the broncos.. Do you have them on your 24" LCD.. so you can see them..:laugh:

Pictures worth a 1000 words type stuff..

Cheez Whiz
02-28-2009, 01:51 AM
WOW!

Darrell Reid destroys Chris Henry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srUo2MDngJE)

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 01:53 AM
hahahahaahaha

Simple Jaded
02-28-2009, 02:06 AM
That's been the problem with Mike Nolan, he's running 3-4's with 4-3 players, so much for getting bigger, stronger and tougher on defense.......

WARHORSE
02-28-2009, 04:05 AM
That's been the problem with Mike Nolan, he's running 3-4's with 4-3 players, so much for getting bigger, stronger and tougher on defense.......


Dont forget we will be running a hybrid 3-4 4-3 defense, so he will have use here.

Well obviously from the utube vid we can see that this guy is not only a DT, but a special teams killer as well.

Im looking very much forward to seeing our special teams coverage units get down this year..................I cant wait.

WARHORSE
02-28-2009, 05:23 AM
Looks like a possible rush linebacker? He sure seems to be athletic enough.


CBS4 Broncos Insider Vic Lombardi confirms that the Broncos have added two more pieces to the defensive side of the ball. Late Friday, Cleveland Browns Linebacker Andra Davis and Indianapolis Colts Defensive Tackle Darrell Reid inked contracts to help shore up the much-maligned defense. Davis will play Inside Linebacker in the 3-4 defense Head Coach Josh McDaniels will implement. Reid was a Defensive Tackle with the Colts, but he may see some time at linebacker as well.

fcspikeit
02-28-2009, 06:39 AM
sleeping on it huh...

WTF, first he sign's, then he hadn't yet, then he final did. Now he's going to sleep on it? :rolleyes:

I am beginning to think he is only using us to get a better deal with Philly..

Northman
02-28-2009, 07:18 AM
I dont know, just seeing some new names on this team is a start. Whether or not they work out is another story. But its a start.

Fan in Exile
02-28-2009, 08:32 AM
I dont know, just seeing some new names on this team is a start. Whether or not they work out is another story. But its a start.

I'm with you on this one. It's good to see all these fresh faces after hearing Shanny say he wasn't firing Slowick I didn't think anything was going to change. But these are new guys and it's a new day. So as many questions as I have I can wait to see how they get used.

gobroncsnv
02-28-2009, 10:41 AM
That picture of him where he's carrying the ball... what kind of nonsense is that? Our D NEVER gets to carry the ball... Next thing you know, you'll probably be talking about turnovers, or some fool thing... that's just whack, man.

DenBronx
02-28-2009, 10:53 AM
reid in those pictures celebrating looks like the 2nd coming of winborn with his premature celebrations. he has a whopping 2 sacks in his 4 years in the nfl for a DL.

turftoad
02-28-2009, 11:22 AM
reid in those pictures celebrating looks like the 2nd coming of winborn with his premature celebrations. he has a whopping 2 sacks in his 4 years in the nfl for a DL.

He played DT.

nevcraw
02-28-2009, 11:27 AM
Andra Davis
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 62 | Key
Alert: None

Comment: Davis is a leader and a tough guy, but he has taken a lot of pounding on his smaller frame throughout his career and his best days are now probably behind him. He took a step backwards in 2007. He remains a starter, but has just a tenuous hold on that position, as he began losing snaps to Leon Williams as the 2007 season went along. Before the season, Davis lost weight to improve his stamina and quickness, but he struggled taking on blockers and his tackling suffered. Meanwhile, his quickness was not noticeably improved and he still wore down as games and the season progressed. He is a leader on this team and has a very good football mind, making the defensive calls. He is better against the run than pass and is at his best moving forward in the run game. Davis is a striker who can jar ball carriers. He isn't very fast, but reads plays well and takes very few false steps.

nevcraw
02-28-2009, 11:29 AM
Darrell Reid
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 51 | Key
Alert: None

Comment: Reid doesn't have ideal size for the defensive tackle position, but he does have some upfield ability, thus making him an okay fit as a backup for what the Colts ask of their interior defensive linemen. He is light on his feet with good agility and some explosive qualities. He is young and improving his technique as a defensive tackle, but in the meantime, Reid has the athleticism to help out on special teams' coverage units. He is a good tackler who runs through ball carriers and can make plays in pursuit. Double teams give Reid a lot of problems and his lower body strength and overall anchor are certainly areas of concern. His pass rush arsenal is developing, but still has a long way to go. He also doesn't feel pressure real well in the run game and isn't particularly quick to read and diagnose plays. Reid's size and strength will always hold him back in some areas, but he is athletic and has some tools to work with.

SR
02-28-2009, 11:49 AM
Not a big fan of either of those signings, to be honest. Sounds to me like it's no different than when Shanahan was bringing in players. Aside from the two safeties we snagged, it seems we're just bringing in scrubs from other teams.

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 12:08 PM
Davis is better than Niko, Winborn AND Webster...and it's costing next to nothing.

atwater27
02-28-2009, 12:14 PM
Asides from Webster, that remains to be seen

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 12:32 PM
Well...I'll go with what I've sen first hand and also with what the fans think of him. My local networks are from Pittsburgh and Youngstown, Ohio. I get 2 CBSs every Sunday and always have the Steelers and Browns games on. Davis is a good football player. He was was the stabilizer for a while. He's no Ray Lewis but he isa damn god football player. Browns fans loved him and that tells me sumthin. He is an upgrade over Web, Win and Niko.

Simple Jaded
02-28-2009, 12:40 PM
Darrell Reid | DT Complete player profile

Full Name: Darrell Reid
Born: June 20, 1982
Freehold, NJ
Height: 6-2
Weight: 288 lbs.

Age: 26
Pos: DT
Experience: 4 years
College: Minnesota
Insider Analysis
Grade 53
Expert's Take Reid is an undersized interior defensive lineman who has been a backup for his whole career, since signing as a collegiate free agent with the Colts after the 2005 draft. He is a good-footed athlete who can provide some athleticism as well as a pass rush from the inside. Reid lacks the bulk and strength to play a two-gap scheme, but can be effective when playing the edges. He can shoot gaps and bend down the line of scrimmage to chase some things down from behind. He is quick to locate the level of the ball, but does not feel pressure well when warding off blocks. He still needs to work on using his hands to keep blockers off him and will get swallowed up by some bigger offensive linemen. He fits the scheme the Colts use, but won't be a fit with every team.

Unless Reid is nothing more than a specialist in Denver, it's starting to look like
Nolan will run another Under-sized/Weak One-gap 3-4? Ya. :rolleyes:

Fwiw, that grade of 53 is for Scouts Inc's free agent grades, not overall player grade, 50-59 is their grade for backups and Ried is on the lower end of that spectrum. Hopefully some time soon the Broncos add some defenders that most reasonable people consider starters, they have plenty of backups.......

Northman
02-28-2009, 12:40 PM
Again, new faces. Maybe they pan out maybe they dont but rather than give the old guys chance after chance i would rather see some new blood in here with some different coaching. Just like the other guys we had i will give the new guys a chance to prove themselves.

frauschieze
02-28-2009, 12:42 PM
A source told FOXSports.com that Denver has reached a contract agreement with Indianapolis defensive tackle Darrell Reid, raising the number of free agents the team added Friday to an NFL-high six.

The 6-foot-2, 288-pound Reid was a backup defensive lineman with the Colts during his first four NFL seasons. He also contributed on special teams and as a short-yardage fullback.

Last month, Reid was arrested on disorderly conduct and trespassing charges for allegedly refusing to leave the parking lot of an Indianapolis nightclub. The charges were later dropped.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9275660?MSNHPHMA

Awesome. I <3 recent arrest records. :rolleyes:

turftoad
02-28-2009, 12:47 PM
Saturday, February 28, 2009
Posted By Mike Florio 12:34 PM
Our own Aaron Wilson also has given us a nugget regarding one of the 36 free-agent contracts already collected by the Broncos.

Per Wilson, the contract for defensive tackle Darrell Reid is worth $6.8 million over three years.

A league source tells Wilson that it's the biggest current contract for a special-teams specialist. But since there aren't many/any reference tools that provide such precise detail, it's sort of hard to verify it.

If there's another special-teams specialist with a bigger deal, we have a feeling that we'll be hearing from his agent.
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I think he plays DE in the 3-4. JMO

Simple Jaded
02-28-2009, 12:59 PM
Again, new faces. Maybe they pan out maybe they dont but rather than give the old guys chance after chance i would rather see some new blood in here with some different coaching. Just like the other guys we had i will give the new guys a chance to prove themselves.

The names have changed, that's about it.

I'm not concerned about the moves on offense, so they're going to a 6 WR offense, so what? It's the stiffs they are bringing in on defense that I'm not impressed with, more tiny, under-sized and weak players that have no business starting on a contenders defense.

This is Mike Shanahan 101 BS!

Hopefully Doogie/Nolan's idea of a starter is completely different from their idea of backups, but from what I've read in the last month or so, this is par per course for Nolan.

An Under-sized 34 made up of a Hodgepodge of crap parts, all of the DE's on his opening day roster were in the 275/279/282 range. My heart is telling to hope for a Olshansky/Raji/Canty type DL in 09, but my gut is telling me it'll be a Marques Douglas/Ronald Fields/Darrell Reid DL. <--This is Vintage Mike Nolan, he's the defensive version of Mike Shanahan, and it's not his coaching that got him fired, it's his choice of personnel.

I wanted the Broncos to hire Nolan over Dom Capers, I'm starting to regret it happened, hopefully I'm completely wrong about this too.......

Northman
02-28-2009, 01:02 PM
The names have changed, that's about it.

I'm not concerned about the moves on offense, so they're going to a 6 WR offense, so what? It's the stiffs they are bringing in on defense that I'm not impressed with, more tiny, under-sized and weak players that have no business starting on a contenders defense.

This is Mike Shanahan 101 BS!

Hopefully Doogie/Nolan's idea of a starter is completely different from their idea of backups, but from what I've read in the last month or so, this is par per course for Nolan.

An Under-sized 34 made up of a Hodgepodge of crap parts, all of the DE's on his opening day roster were in the 275/279/282 range. My heart is telling to hope for a Olshansky/Raji/Canty type DL in 09, but my gut is telling me it'll be a Marques Douglas/Ronald Fields/Darrell Reid DL. <--This is Vintage Mike Nolan, he's the defensive version of Mike Shanahan, and it's not his coaching that got him fired, it's his choice of personnel.

I wanted the Broncos to hire Nolan over Dom Capers, I'm starting to regret it happened, hopefully I'm completely wrong about this too.......

I dont know, Nolan did pretty well in Bmore so im not really worried just yet.

TXBRONC
02-28-2009, 01:12 PM
That's been the problem with Mike Nolan, he's running 3-4's with 4-3 players, so much for getting bigger, stronger and tougher on defense.......

Considering that we're going to run a hybrid at least for the nearby future we need guys that can play solidly in both.

honz
02-28-2009, 01:18 PM
http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/02/three-years-68-million-for-rei.html


Posted by Mike Florio: Saturday, February 28, 2009 12:23 PM
Our own Aaron Wilson also has given us a nugget regarding one of the 36 free-agent contracts already collected by the Broncos.

Per Wilson, the contract for defensive tackle Darrell Reid is worth $6.8 million over three years.

A league source tells Wilson that it's the biggest current contract for a special-teams specialist. But since there aren't many/any reference tools that provide such precise detail, it's sort of hard to verify it.

If there's another special-teams specialist with a bigger deal, we have a feeling that we'll be hearing from his agent.


Let the complaining begin...

Simple Jaded
02-28-2009, 01:20 PM
I dont know, Nolan did pretty well in Bmore so im not really worried just yet.

He did his best with that team, but his 275LB DE's followed him to SF and failed miserably, his 285lb NT in 02 is still with the Ravens but is now 310lbs and platooning with a 340lb BEAST.......so I'm thinking his success in B-more had more to do with the players around his feeble DL. Not long after Nolan left for SF, Gay Gay Lewis was screaming for bigger, stronger DL's that allow him to do what he does best.

So if Lewis struggled behind this type of linemen, what do you think an over-the-hill never-was like Andra Davis will do?

This Reid signing concerns me quite a bit, that's just me, though, I might be reading too much into it.......

turftoad
02-28-2009, 01:22 PM
At 6'2" and 288 lbs, I don't think he plays NT for us. I think he plays DE. JMO

Simple Jaded
02-28-2009, 01:23 PM
http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/02/three-years-68-million-for-rei.html



Let the complaining begin...

Reid isn't being paid as a STer, he's being paid as a core contributor on defense, it's conceivable that he's being counted on as a starter.......

xzn
02-28-2009, 01:30 PM
Reid sure sounds more like a starting (or at least rotational) 34 DE and/or pass rushing (situational) 43 DT.

I'd only be concerned, with that contract, if he was only a ST or we were slotting him as a NT.

If he can be a base 34 starter at DE, situational interior pass rusher AND a stud ST player that makes this a nice signing and a bargain!

Northman
02-28-2009, 01:32 PM
He did his best with that team, but his 275LB DE's followed him to SF and failed miserably, his 285lb NT in 02 is still with the Ravens but is now 310lbs and platooning with a 340lb BEAST.......so I'm thinking his success in B-more had more to do with the players around his feeble DL. Not long after Nolan left for SF, Gay Gay Lewis was screaming for bigger, stronger DL's that allow him to do what he does best.

So if Lewis struggled behind this type of linemen, what do you think an over-the-hill never-was like Andra Davis will do?

This Reid signing concerns me quite a bit, that's just me, though, I might be reading too much into it.......


Could of been anything involved in that. Conditioning coaches, bad talent, etc. Crennel got credited with a lot of great defenses in NE yet did nothing in Cleveland. However, when Nolan went to SF he was the HC, not the cordinator so now he is back doing the job he was known for. My guess is Crennel would probably do better going back to DC as well. Some Coaches can never make the transistion from cordinator to HC. But most of the time when they go back to doing what got them there in the first place.

Lonestar
02-28-2009, 01:35 PM
Could of been anything involved in that. Conditioning coaches, bad talent, etc. Crennel got credited with a lot of great defenses in NE yet did nothing in Cleveland. However, when Nolan went to SF he was the HC, not the cordinator so now he is back doing the job he was known for. My guess is Crennel would probably do better going back to DC as well. Some Coaches can never make the transistion from cordinator to HC. But most of the time when they go back to doing what got them there in the first place.

peter principle at its finest..

TXBRONC
02-28-2009, 01:35 PM
Reid isn't being paid as a STer, he's being paid as a core contributor on defense, it's conceivable that he's being counted on as a starter.......

True, but it is just as conceivable that he will be seen as a role player.

xzn
02-28-2009, 01:37 PM
True, but it is just as conceivable that he will be seen as a role player.

Never know how it will play out, but I don't think they gave him that contract to be a ST and reserve. That's a potential starter contract.

Simple Jaded
02-28-2009, 01:38 PM
Considering that we're going to run a hybrid at least for the nearby future we need guys that can play solidly in both.
That might be true, but it brings up another concern of mine.......they still have no identity on defense, much worse, they appear to be in no hurry to define one.

They are using so much of their resources on players that nobody else wants starting for a defense that still has no identity or definition.

Davis and Reid are Cleveland/Indy's version Peterson and Winborn.......Regardless of the scheme, it's the same shit/different day.

Same Scrub/Different Name.......

TXBRONC
02-28-2009, 01:46 PM
That might be true, but it brings up another concern of mine.......they still have no identity on defense, much worse, they appear to be in no hurry to define one.

They are using so much of their resources on players that nobody else wants starting for a defense that still has no identity or definition.

Davis and Reid are Cleveland/Indy's version Peterson and Winborn.......Regardless of the scheme, it's the same shit/different day.

Same Scrub/Different Name.......

Ok but how do you have identity when right in middle of transition?

Medford Bronco
02-28-2009, 01:58 PM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/27atwater/ad2.jpg

I am suprised Kyle Boller did not fumble in the picture :lol:

Simple Jaded
02-28-2009, 02:00 PM
Could of been anything involved in that. Conditioning coaches, bad talent, etc. Crennel got credited with a lot of great defenses in NE yet did nothing in Cleveland. However, when Nolan went to SF he was the HC, not the cordinator so now he is back doing the job he was known for. My guess is Crennel would probably do better going back to DC as well. Some Coaches can never make the transistion from cordinator to HC. But most of the time when they go back to doing what got them there in the first place.

Bill Belicheat is the one and only reason for the success of that defense, Crennell coattailed his way into a HC job.

I hope you're right about Nolan, but this is following a pattern, his first minute with the Ravens was Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa's last. Nolan then went to a 3-4 with tiny 4-3 parts, just like he did in SF and like he is apparently doing in Denver.

This is Nolan's pattern and this version of a 3-4 does not work in the NFL.......

Simple Jaded
02-28-2009, 02:26 PM
Ok but how do you have identity when right in middle of transition?
The transition should begin to define the new identity at some point, but Nolan's current version of a 3-4 doesn't seem to have a real Modern Day identity anyway. It's not a Phillips 3-4 or a Fairbanks-Bullough 3-4 or a Lebeau Zone-blitz/Pittsburgh 3-4 defense.

It looks to me like he's going with a 1-gap 3-4 like the one he learned under Joe Collier only he's using the kinds of players that Collier would have used back in his day.

Some of the parts they are collecting very well could be exactly what Nolan is looking for once this transition is complete, Reid is an End-product piece.

I fully expect them to sign Marques Douglas, 99% of you may not have a problem with any of this, but I F'ing hate it.......

TXBRONC
02-28-2009, 03:03 PM
The transition should begin to define the new identity at some point, but Nolan's current version of a 3-4 doesn't seem to have a real Modern Day identity anyway. It's not a Phillips 3-4 or a Fairbanks-Bullough 3-4 or a Lebeau Zone-blitz/Pittsburgh 3-4 defense.

It looks to me like he's going with a 1-gap 3-4 like the one he learned under Joe Collier only he's using the kinds of players that Collier would have used back in his day.

Some of the parts they are collecting very well could be exactly what Nolan is looking for once this transition is complete, Reid is an End-product piece.

I fully expect them to sign Marques Douglas, 99% of you may not have a problem with any of this, but I F'ing hate it.......

Link, here's that could clear up why Reid was signed. The article is devoted primarily to the signing of Dawkins but there is blurb about Reid that I think could be revealing. Also Link no disrespect you my friend I don't think Nolan is smarter than that. Besides ultimately it wont be his decision to make.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3942161

Updated: February 28, 2009, 2:47 PM ET
Broncos sign safety Dawkins

By John Clayton
ESPN.com
Archive
The Denver Broncos continued adding to their roster at a torrid pace on Saturday, making three key additions on defense.

The team announced it had signed seven-time Pro Bowl safety Brian Dawkins, who spent his previous 13 years with the Philadelphia Eagles. According to a source the deal is for five years and $17 million. The deal could escalate to as much as $27 million if Dawkins can reach some achievable performance levels.

And the team reached a two-year deal with former Browns linebacker Andra Davis and a three-year, $6.8 million deal ex-Colts defensive tackle Darrell Reid, according to sources.

The Eagles and Dawkins were discussing a two-year contract offer when the Broncos entered the picture to lure him to Denver.

Over the first two years of his contract, Dawkins is scheduled to make $9 million. Of that total, $7.2 million is guaranteed.

Since the start of free agency, the Broncos have added Dawkins, Reid, Davis and safety Renaldo Hill for their defense. They added wide receiver Jabar Gaffney and running backs Correll Buckhalter and J.J. Arrington to their offense. And they signed Texans wide receiver David Anderson, a restricted free agent, to a three-year, $4.5 million offer sheet.

Davis, 30, is seven-year veteran starter. He had 90 tackles last season for the Browns.

Reid can play defensive tackle who can help out at fullback. He's also one of the best special teams players in the league.

John Clayton is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.

Considering how weak we have been on special teams, it looks to me like is possibly why Reid was brought in.

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 04:44 PM
we've all bitched aout the ST, but folks still bitch when someone is brought in who excels there.

Dean
02-28-2009, 05:33 PM
we've all bitched aout the ST, but folks still bitch when someone is brought in who excels there.

Last year when Niko was signed everyone agreed that at the very least he would excel on special teams. How did that work out for us?

SmilinAssasSin27
02-28-2009, 06:07 PM
wow...1 guy. it's obviously the same thing sinc we have the same GM and coach. great point.