Raiders fire Jackson

[weazel]

just heard on Rome
just one more thing raiderfan was wrong about lol

[claymore]

Al davis strikes from the grave!

[Buff]

Tom Cable never should have been fired. Hue Jackson was a power hungry maniac.

Glad he was there long enough to sabotage the Raiders next couple drafts though.

[Ravage!!!]

I think Jackson ws the best thing for that team, glad he's gone.

[Buff]

I think Jackson ws the best thing for that team, glad he's gone.

I thought that for the first part of the year... But the Carson Palmer trade was universally denounced... And then Jackson throwing his team under the bus in press conferences was horrendous form to finish out the year. Not to mention their inability to win the division despite it being on a platter for them.

If I'm a Raiders fan, I'm breathing a sigh of relief that he's gone.

[Ravage!!!]

I thought that for the first part of the year... But the Carson Palmer trade was universally denounced... And then Jackson throwing his team under the bus in press conferences was horrendous form to finish out the year. Not to mention their inability to win the division despite it being on a platter for them.

If I'm a Raiders fan, I'm breathing a sigh of relief that he's gone.

I actually liked his press conference and the statements he made. He's been taking the blame every week and taking it upon himself all year. He laid it out on the line and flat out said "coaches can only do so much, but when it comes down to it, the players are the ones that play the game." He just had the balls to say what everyone has been saying. The coaches can only do so much, players need to take accountability.

I liked it.

But speaking of not taking division... that should be on Norv Turner's head.

[Buff]

I actually liked his press conference and the statements he made. He's been taking the blame every week and taking it upon himself all year. He laid it out on the line and flat out said "coaches can only do so much, but when it comes down to it, the players are the ones that play the game." He just had the balls to say what everyone has been saying. The coaches can only do so much, players need to take accountability.

I liked it.

But speaking of not taking division... that should be on Norv Turner's head.

Nah - you can't ever say that as a coach unless you're prepared to forgo any credit for wins as well. The Palmer trade and the end of year press conference were grounds enough for firing IMO regardless of what else he had done there.

I'm with you on Norv. I'd be pissed if I were a Bolts fan.

[Traveler]

What killed Jackson was his talk of becoming more "heavy handed" in all things Raiders. Acted as if he already had the power s of a GM and could make decisions unilaterally.

Not surprising at all he was given the boot.

[Poet]

Awful firing. Hue is a tough love guy. He kept Chad in line in Cincinnati.

He missed the playoffs because Campbell went down and McFadden did as well.

He's a solid coach, and while he may have earned being fired later on oak just killed continuity for the sake of killing continuity.

[Northman]

Lmao. Elite..............

[camdisco24]

I'm actually shocked by this. I thought he had them going in the right direction... Oh well, hopefully they keep getting stuck in this coaching carousel and suck for years to come. I'd be fine with that.

[Nomad]

It is a shocker but let the Raider circus continue!:lol: I never want to see them back to 2002 form.

[dogfish]

What killed Jackson was his talk of becoming more "heavy handed" in all things Raiders. Acted as if he already had the power s of a GM and could make decisions unilaterally.

Not surprising at all he was given the boot.

yep. . . he looked like a solid coach for them, but it didn't take long for him to reveal himself as a complete megalomaniac. . . in the past weeks he's been strutting around like he owns the team, making proclamations about how he's going to get more involved in personnel and picking the GM, and all that-- it's utterly hilarious to see him get unceremoniously tossed out on his face instead. . .


and i love the fact that the fade will be starting from scratch yet again, only down next year's first. . . they better hope mckenzie can get somebody from green bay-- who the hell else will want to go coach there with such fresh evidence that dysfunction is alive and very well in oakland?

[T.K.O.]

If I'm a Raiders fan, I'm mouthbreathing a sigh of relief that he's gone.
fixed

[slim]

Oh man, that is funny.

Where are all the raider fans at? I thought Hue was the answer?

[dogfish]

Oh man, that is funny.

Where are all the raider fans at? I thought Hue was the answer?

he was, slim. . . that was last week. . . now, however, brother hue has been granted the ultimate parole. . . the plan is still on schedule, and whomever is hired next will be the perfect man for the moment. . . .

[BigDaddyBronco]

Oh man, that is funny.

Where are all the raider fans at? I thought Hue was the answer?

I'm sure the next coach they hire will be the real deal. It's like this every year. :laugh:

What the Raiders need is a real front office, maybe this new GM is a step in the right direction. Either way it's still funny.

[slim]

I'm sure the next coach they hire will be the real deal. It's like this every year. :laugh:

What the Raiders need is a real front office, maybe this new GM is a step in the right direction. Either way it's still funny.

I was actually hoping the Broncos would interview Mckenzie for the GM position last year.

With Al gone, they may actually have a chance to turn it around.

[BigDaddyBronco]

I was actually hoping the Broncos would interview Mckenzie for the GM position last year.

With Al gone, they may actually have a chance to turn it around.

Yea, I was hoping he would live forever. Oh well.

[Dreadnought]

he was, slim. . . that was last week. . . now, however, brother hue has been granted the ultimate parole. . . the plan is still on schedule, and whomever is hired next will be the perfect man for the moment. . . .

Best plan for the Faid is to now totally tear the roster apart, root and branch, and rebuild from scratch. Complete housecleaning. That's the ticket.


:D

[dogfish]

Best plan for the Faid is to now totally tear the roster apart, root and branch, and rebuild from scratch. Complete housecleaning. That's the ticket.


:D

they can start by sending us lamarr houston for cheap. . . .

[Northman]

Send us Branch please.....

[GEM]

Bunch of idiots. Cable and Hue had them going in the right direction. It's like whoa, this is going right. Fix it dammit. *Lights fire to franchise*

[OrangeHoof]

The firing was all about skin color.

Or possibly just Hue.

[dogfish]

The firing was all about skin color.

Or possibly just Hue.


boooo! get the hoooook!

[Buff]

boooo! get the hoooook!

I am always up for bad puns. He can stay.

[T.K.O.]

rumor is the new GM and Al's son got super pissed at Jackson's post game comments....he pretty much fired himself by talkin shit:laugh:

[MOtorboat]

So, if McCoy leaves...

[OaklandRaider]

Like I said last year when Tom Cable was let go, 8-8 isn't good enough for the Oakland Raiders. Maybe it's good enough for other teams, but here in Oakland we have higher expectations for our team.

This team is littered with talent everywhere and should've easily won this crappy division this year. Instead we let a mediocre team like the Broncos (No offense) back their way into the playoffs. All we had to do was win one more game down the stretch and we couldn't do it.

That's Unacceptable. Hue Jackson had to go.

Under Reggie McKenzie's guidance, The Raiders will go to new heights. He will model this organization after the Green Bay Packers. He was the #1 available GM candidate out there, and we got him. The Raiders will be one of best ran organizations out there under him.

[chazoe60]

Like I said last year when Tom Cable was let go, 8-8 isn't good enough for the Oakland Raiders. Maybe it's good enough for other teams, but here in Oakland we have higher expectations for our team.

This team is littered with talent everywhere and should've easily won this crappy division this year. Instead we let a mediocre team like the Broncos (No offense) back their way into the playoffs. All we had to do was win one more game down the stretch and we couldn't do it.

That's Unacceptable. Hue Jackson had to go.

Under Reggie McKenzie's guidance, The Raiders will go to new heights. He will model this organization after the Green Bay Packers. He was the #1 available GM candidate out there, and we got him. The Raiders will be one of best ran organizations out there under him.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[dogfish]

Like I said last year when Tom Cable was let go, 8-8 isn't good enough for the Oakland Raiders. Maybe it's good enough for other teams, but here in Oakland we have higher expectations for our team.



i admire that attitude-- you guys should fire your coach every year until you find one who can win the super bowl on his first go. . .

[sanluis]

Like I said last year when Tom Cable was let go, 8-8 isn't good enough for the Oakland Raiders. Maybe it's good enough for other teams, but here in Oakland we have higher expectations for our team.

This team is littered with talent everywhere and should've easily won this crappy division this year. Instead we let a mediocre team like the Broncos (No offense) back their way into the playoffs. All we had to do was win one more game down the stretch and we couldn't do it.

That's Unacceptable. Hue Jackson had to go.

Under Reggie McKenzie's guidance, The Raiders will go to new heights. He will model this organization after the Green Bay Packers. He was the #1 available GM candidate out there, and we got him. The Raiders will be one of best ran organizations out there under him.

Funny you actually think that you hold a shred of credibility after all the BS you smear all over your own face??!! :lol: No one can take you seriously.
:lol:

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Under Reggie McKenzie's guidance, The Raiders will go to new heights. He will model this organization after the Green Bay Packers. He was the #1 available GM candidate out there, and we got him. The Raiders will be one of best ran organizations out there under him.

You mean like Pioli "modeled" the Chiefs after the Patriots? Or how McDouchbag tried to "model" the Broncos after the Patriots?

Good luck to Reggie McKenzie, he's got a shitload of work to do...

You can start by:

-Finding an offensive minded HC who's really good at his job
-Drafting a QB like Aaron Rodgers
-Completely revamping your O-line from one that is good at run blocking and shitty at pass protection to one that is 180 out
-Finding a new DC that doesn't completely suck ass
-Finding a new MLB to replace McClain who will be doing some prison time
-throwing out half of your roster because they have more interest in the name on the back of their jersey than the one on their helmet
-reclaiming your fan base so you don't black out home games all the time

... In one year and all this without a first round pick... good luck! :lol:

Hue was fired for telling the truth. The Raiders have never handled the truth well. If they can't cheat to win it or sue someone to get their way, they probably won't earn it for themselves.

[Dreadnought]

Like I said last year when Tom Cable was let go, 8-8 isn't good enough for the Oakland Raiders. Maybe it's good enough for other teams, but here in Oakland we have higher expectations for our team.

This team is littered with talent everywhere and should've easily won this crappy division this year. Instead we let a mediocre team like the Broncos (No offense) back their way into the playoffs. All we had to do was win one more game down the stretch and we couldn't do it.

That's Unacceptable. Hue Jackson had to go.

Under Reggie McKenzie's guidance, The Raiders will go to new heights. He will model this organization after the Green Bay Packers. He was the #1 available GM candidate out there, and we got him. The Raiders will be one of best ran organizations out there under him.

This looks eerily something like "The gangster Hue Jackson has been judged by people's tribunal and found to be reactionary bourgeois enemy of people and has been liquidated. Under leadership of new Comrade Reggie McKenzie shall we achieve goals of 5 year plan in only one year, reaching new levels of productivity as we shatter all previous records of tractor production. All hail the future triumphs of the Silver and Black!" Oakland Raiders = the North Korea of the NFL. Backwards. Stupid. Clueless. Dishonest.

[TXBRONC]

Like I said last year when Tom Cable was let go, 8-8 isn't good enough for the Oakland Raiders. Maybe it's good enough for other teams, but here in Oakland we have higher expectations for our team.

This team is littered with talent everywhere and should've easily won this crappy division this year. Instead we let a mediocre team like the Broncos (No offense) back their way into the playoffs. All we had to do was win one more game down the stretch and we couldn't do it.

That's Unacceptable. Hue Jackson had to go.

Under Reggie McKenzie's guidance, The Raiders will go to new heights. He will model this organization after the Green Bay Packers. He was the #1 available GM candidate out there, and we got him. The Raiders will be one of best ran organizations out there under him.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[dunk7]

Things will turn around for the raiders now that Bucky Larson inherited the team

http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Bucky-Larson-inherits-raiders.jpg

[Northman]

i admire that attitude-- you guys should fire your coach every year until you find one who can win the super bowl on his first go. . .

OWNED....:lol:

[GEM]

i admire that attitude-- you guys should fire your coach every year until you find one who can win the super bowl on his first go. . .

When I told my 15 year old that they fired him, he laughed and said...WTF are they going to do, fire the coach every year and hope that a first year coach takes them to the SB? ******* Raiders, can always depend on them to show you the definition of stupidity.

I love that kid!! :D

[Northman]

When I told my 15 year old that they fired him, he laughed and said...WTF are they going to do, fire the coach every year and hope that a first year coach takes them to the SB? ******* Raiders, can always depend on them to show you the definition of stupidity.

I love that kid!! :D


He is probably on to something. Seems like ever since Callahan thats what they have tried to do. Callahan takes them to a SB the first year he gets there and gets owned by the previous HC. :lol:

I guess the apple doesnt fall far from the tree when it comes to running that team.

[Poet]

I was not aware that Al's boy is more hideous and chudly than papa Davis.

Hue is a fiery guy and proud. Like I said, he had a lot to do with keeping Ocho and T.J. in line. He's been a pretty good offensive coordinator and the Raiders were improving.

They're not, as I'm sure everyone knows, this super talented team that dipshit says they are. That defensive kept getting gashed and that offense needed time to gel when Palmer came back in.

This is one of the worst firings in a long time. I'm actually happy for Hue Jackson because his name is respected around the league. He may have to be a coordinator again for a year or two but he will have another good shot.

[GEM]

I think the last 2 firings were absolutely atrocious. If there were any 2 guys that seemed to have it heading in the right direction, it was Cable and Hue. They keep shooting themselves in the foot and it's going to be 15 year playoff drought instead of 9. :tsk:

[Buff]

I was not aware that Al's boy is more hideous and chudly than papa Davis.

Hue is a fiery guy and proud. Like I said, he had a lot to do with keeping Ocho and T.J. in line. He's been a pretty good offensive coordinator and the Raiders were improving.

They're not, as I'm sure everyone knows, this super talented team that dipshit says they are. That defensive kept getting gashed and that offense needed time to gel when Palmer came back in.

This is one of the worst firings in a long time. I'm actually happy for Hue Jackson because his name is respected around the league. He may have to be a coordinator again for a year or two but he will have another good shot.

The truth lies somewhere in between your complete homer take and our anti-Raider venom.

Hue Jackson WAS respected around the league until he completely mishandled every possible aspect of his job over the last month... His end of year press conference will live in infamy on what not to do with that platform. His tyrade after being fired was completely classless and again a HUGE public relations gaffe.

He definitely will never get another head coaching gig - and he has no one but himself to blame.

[Poet]

Buff, I love you, but you're so wrong it hurts. He didn't mismanage anything. Plenty of coaches, good and bad have gone on tirades like that. Coughlin and Rex Ryan on the good side, Singletary and McDaniels, although his was in private on the other.

No one is going to remember this other than another early or strange Raiders firing. That thought is completely placed in your head because you hate the Raiders. A first year coach going 8-8 with a meh team is going to be the first thing people see. Then they see that Hue accomplished that in Oakland of all places. Oakland, one of the few franchises that gives my team a run for their money in ineptitude.

[Buff]

Buff, I love you, but you're so wrong it hurts. He didn't mismanage anything. Plenty of coaches, good and bad have gone on tirades like that. Coughlin and Rex Ryan on the good side, Singletary and McDaniels, although his was in private on the other.

No one is going to remember this other than another early or strange Raiders firing. That thought is completely placed in your head because you hate the Raiders. A first year coach going 8-8 with a meh team is going to be the first thing people see. Then they see that Hue accomplished that in Oakland of all places. Oakland, one of the few franchises that gives my team a run for their money in ineptitude.

Every NFL analyst/reporter/talking head disagrees with you. He has been universally denounced for his conduct.

Most NFL coaches don't direct the tirade at their own players. When has Rex Ryan ever thrown his team under the bus like that? He does the exact opposite - he owns all of the criticism and shields his players.

I couldn't disagree with you more. I think he basically performed what amounts to career suicide over the last 3 months, as if it wasn't bad enough that they made the horrendous Palmer trade and then collapsed to miss the playoffs. The guy's stock couldn't be any lower. He will probably get on as an offensive asst somewhere because of his connections, but again, no chance he ever gets any consideration to be the head guy somewhere.

[Poet]

Eric Mangini, Romeo Crennel, Wade Phillips, Norv Turner, Jim Mora Jr.

Those are all guys who have had insanely ugly moments in their coaching careers. Most of those guys have tanked worse than Jackson did. They've all gotten second chances.

Even Brad Childress is a name being talked about right now as a head coach candidate. I would swear up and down that he's one of the worst coaches I have ever seen in my life.

You don't remember last year when Rex Ryan threw his defense under the bus and blamed them for losing a game? I believe it was a game that they held their opponent to under 17 points and their offense scored 10 points and had some bad turnovers.

A year from now only Raider fans and...you will remember this. Look what Hue got out of those WR's this year. Look what they had done previously. He had talent to work with, I'm not saying he's Lombardi, but he can coach.

That's the bottom line in the end.

[BORDERLINE]

Like I said last year when Tom Cable was let go, 8-8 isn't good enough for the Oakland Raiders. Maybe it's good enough for other teams, but here in Oakland we have higher expectations for our team.

This team is littered with talent everywhere and should've easily won this crappy division this year. Instead we let a mediocre team like the Broncos (No offense) back their way into the playoffs. All we had to do was win one more game down the stretch and we couldn't do it.

That's Unacceptable. Hue Jackson had to go.

Under Reggie McKenzie's guidance, The Raiders will go to new heights. He will model this organization after the Green Bay Packers. He was the #1 available GM candidate out there, and we got him. The Raiders will be one of best ran organizations out there under him.

your shi*** me right??

No one can be this dumb, I don't even believe that you believe THIS.

signs of STOCKHOLM SYNDROME anyone?

We gotta get this OR kid some help!!!!!

[HORSEPOWER 56]

An interesting, and probably completely accurate, take on the whole situation. Apparently, the newly let go coaching staff isn't shy about exposing Mark Davis' complete ineptitude. He's definitely not his father.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_oakland_raiders_hue_jackson_mark_davis_0111 12

The only question I have now is, is there another man who makes that much money with a haircut/style that bad? Dude makes Bill Gates and Donald Trump look like GQ playas...

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRkbOkHzrJAwHyoB2BX-KXmHEGJbIneSGc8xComqiqXu4VpfeeM

[BORDERLINE]

An interesting, and probably completely accurate, take on the whole situation. Apparently, the newly let go coaching staff isn't shy about exposing Mark Davis' complete ineptitude. He's definitely not his father.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_oakland_raiders_hue_jackson_mark_davis_0111 12

The only question I have now is, is there another man who makes that much money with a haircut/style that bad? Dude makes Bill Gates and Donald Trump look like GQ playas...

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRkbOkHzrJAwHyoB2BX-KXmHEGJbIneSGc8xComqiqXu4VpfeeM

LOL

he looks like the little kid in Problem Child!!!!+50 of course

[chazoe60]

I dub he "the bowl cut billionaire".

[TXBRONC]

i admire that attitude-- you guys should fire your coach every year until you find one who can win the super bowl on his first go. . .

Yep I encourage the Raiders to take this approach. :beer:

[Devilspawn]

they can start by sending us lamarr houston for cheap. . . .
lol you wish.

[Devilspawn]

An interesting, and probably completely accurate, take on the whole situation. Apparently, the newly let go coaching staff isn't shy about exposing Mark Davis' complete ineptitude. He's definitely not his father.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_oakland_raiders_hue_jackson_mark_davis_0111 12

The only question I have now is, is there another man who makes that much money with a haircut/style that bad? Dude makes Bill Gates and Donald Trump look like GQ playas...

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRkbOkHzrJAwHyoB2BX-KXmHEGJbIneSGc8xComqiqXu4VpfeeM
Horrendous bowl cut aside, he hired a GM because he knows he's not a football guy.

[Buff]

Is that a horrendous bowl cut? Or a perfectly executed bowl cut?

Eye of the beholder.

[Dreadnought]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_oakland_raiders_hue_jackson_mark_davis_0111 12

The only question I have now is, is there another man who makes that much money with a haircut/style that bad? Dude makes Bill Gates and Donald Trump look like GQ playas...

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRkbOkHzrJAwHyoB2BX-KXmHEGJbIneSGc8xComqiqXu4VpfeeM

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqKS91ZZb0xYAP-vzyg0htG4gmwM3cLSAxjh4d3JZq_VevD1EFow

Mark Davis, rockin' the Moe Howard bowl haircut

[Devilspawn]

If one person here said the franchise will be better run after Al Davis is gone… but you were JOKING… step up.

The glaring weakness in the Davis regime was him forcing staff on staff. Now the exec will pick his people and let his people pick their people. You guys are acting like Al Davis fired him and plans on firing another coach next season, or that no coach would want to work with the Raiders as long as … what was that again? I think it was the wrong move, but not the worst thing in the world that's happened to the Raiders since January 2002.

I'm waiting for the moves to come to fold for next year and beyond. We have plenty of talent on offense and some on defense... including Lamaar Houston... and plan on revamping the defense with the staff of choice. Health is the biggest question on our offense, and Palmer’s progression of course. But we'll have a cohesive staff across the board for the first time since who knows when. Maybe we won't get a coach like Cable to molest the division and fail outside of it (he’s doing wonders in Seattle by the way lol) and maybe firing Hue for choking a playoff spot away was done in haste. But remember all of your words about Davis' grip on the franchise and what it would take (his removal as owner/GM) for the Raiders to get better. Unless you’re changing your minds now.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

If one person here said the franchise will be better run after Al Davis is gone… but you were JOKING… step up.

The glaring weakness in the Davis regime was him forcing staff on staff. Now the exec will pick his people and let his people pick their people. You guys are acting like Al Davis fired him and plans on firing another coach next season, or that no coach would want to work with the Raiders as long as … what was that again? I think it was the wrong move, but not the worst thing in the world that's happened to the Raiders since January 2002.

I'm waiting for the moves to come to fold for next year and beyond. We have plenty of talent on offense and some on defense... including Lamaar Houston... and plan on revamping the defense with the staff of choice. Health is the biggest question on our offense, and Palmer’s progression of course. But we'll have a cohesive staff across the board for the first time since who knows when. Maybe we won't get a coach like Cable to molest the division and fail outside of it (he’s doing wonders in Seattle by the way lol) and maybe firing Hue for choking a playoff spot away was done in haste. But remember all of your words about Davis' grip on the franchise and what it would take (his removal as owner/GM) for the Raiders to get better. Unless you’re changing your minds now.

I think Al really believed in Hue Jackson and is spinning in his grave right now. It's sad to think a coach doesn't get another season after going 8-8 in his first year. This is a power grab by Mark Davis, nothing more. He felt threatened by Jackson's comments and decided to fire him because he was scared of him. I'd bet McKenzie and Jackson could've done very well together. Jackson is a hell of an offensive playcaller and I think he brought a blunt, no BS attitude to the team.

If McKenzie pulls an Al Davis and brings in another weak-willed, but coordinator smart coach like Norv Turner or Lane Kiffin because he wants a guy he can push around the Raiders are doomed. You guys need a Tom Coughlin type. Jeff Fisher or Bill Cowher would be PERFECT for the Raiders. Leading the league in penalties? Undisciplined play? Getting in trouble off the field? All things that you need a strong HC to fix. McKenzie won't be coaching the players from his office. The Raiders have all the talent in the world... they need a big Hammer to drive those nails straight.

[MOtorboat]

http://www.daveandthomas.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/bucky-larson.jpg

[Devilspawn]

I think Al really believed in Hue Jackson and is spinning in his grave right now. It's sad to think a coach doesn't get another season after going 8-8 in his first year. This is a power grab by Mark Davis, nothing more. He felt threatened by Jackson's comments and decided to fire him because he was scared of him. I'd bet McKenzie and Jackson could've done very well together. Jackson is a hell of an offensive playcaller and I think he brought a blunt, no BS attitude to the team.

If McKenzie pulls an Al Davis and brings in another weak-willed, but coordinator smart coach like Norv Turner or Lane Kiffin because he wants a guy he can push around the Raiders are doomed. You guys need a Tom Coughlin type. Jeff Fisher or Bill Cowher would be PERFECT for the Raiders. Leading the league in penalties? Undisciplined play? Getting in trouble off the field? All things that you need a strong HC to fix. McKenzie won't be coaching the players from his office. The Raiders have all the talent in the world... they need a big Hammer to drive those nails straight.
What sucks is that gone with Al Davis is his vision with Hue and the players, which is why it may not have worked with McKenzie's plan. Still, Al should've let go of the defense and most likely we make the playoffs.

I hate the timing more than the move. Timing has been pretty bad since Davis died. Not as bad as Mark's haircut, but pretty bad.

[BeefStew25]

Lloyd Christmas