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Cheez Whiz
02-27-2009, 12:40 AM
Broncos Move Quickly For Two Tailbacks
Friday, February 27, 2009
Posted By Mike Florio 12:28 AM
Every year, at least one NFL team manages to negotiate a multi-million-dollar contract minutes after the time period for commencing discussions aimed at finalizing a contract opens.

Amazingly, these complex, big-money deals get accomplished from scratch in roughly the time it takes to bake a tray of cookies.

Eye roll.

This year, the Broncos have gotten deals in place less than a half hour into free agency.

According to Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com, the Broncos already have agreed to terms with free-agent running backs J.J. Arrington of the Cardinals, and Correll Buckhalter of the Eagles.

Buff
02-27-2009, 12:41 AM
I was high on Arrington coming out of Cal... I was surprised he busted in Arizona, maybe he can turn it around here? I'll bet the price is right.

DenBronx
02-27-2009, 12:44 AM
ouch! not what i had in mind for a rb. let the 3rd and 4th tier guys start lineing up to be a bronco.

ikillz0mbies
02-27-2009, 12:48 AM
Wow, Broncos come out of the free agent gates running. Personally, I like the pick-ups. I've always been a fan of Buckhalter. His injury history is a concern, but he plays really well when healthy. He can run really well, good vision, and has good hands out of the backfield. As for Arrington, he hasn't done much since he got drafted by the Cardinals. He is still young and has great speed. That is all I know about him. He played decent last season. I don't see either has a starter, personally, but both would be good options for a 3rd down back. I wonder what this means for Young, Hall, and Torain.

Magnificent Seven
02-27-2009, 12:48 AM
I guess they might move Hillis back to fullback position.

JKcatch724
02-27-2009, 12:49 AM
Got a Cal boy...

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/writers/michael_silver/12/10/cal/p1_arrington_getty.jpg

Let's hope he can prove himself here in Denver

JKcatch724
02-27-2009, 12:50 AM
I have a feeling they are getting Arrington for kickoff duties, where he's actually been pretty good.

JKcatch724
02-27-2009, 12:52 AM
http://images.usatoday.com/sports/_photos/2006/11/12/correll-buckhalter-topper.jpg

DenBronx
02-27-2009, 12:53 AM
I guess they might move Hillis back to fullback position.

why? he's still the best back on our roster.

MOtorboat
02-27-2009, 12:53 AM
Boss is going through convulsions.

JKcatch724
02-27-2009, 12:55 AM
why? he's still the best back on our roster.

Maybe a Hillis/Buckhalter combo with Arrington returning kicks. Not bad IMO.

DenBronx
02-27-2009, 01:00 AM
Maybe a Hillis/Buckhalter combo with Arrington returning kicks. Not bad IMO.

hillis/draft pick with buckhalter sitting on the bench.

Cheez Whiz
02-27-2009, 01:03 AM
Personally, I don't see why we made these signing (IF THEY ARE TRUE).

McDaniels was ready to sprint out of the gate, and he stumbled.

a 30 year old runningback who has been on IR more than he hasn't (Buckhalter) and a career backup in JJ Arrington.

DenBronx
02-27-2009, 01:06 AM
more on this....

From Alex Marvez of FoxSports.com:

New Denver head coach Josh McDaniels must have thought running back was his team’s most pressing free-agent need.

The Broncos have acquired two up two of them by agreeing to multiyear contracts with Correll Buckhalter (Philadelphia) and J.J. Arrington (Arizona) at the midnight opening of the signing period, FOXSports.com has learned. The deals will become official when both pass physical exams.

Buckhalter can be considered a frontrunner for a starting spot, while Arrington is likely to fill a niche as a third-down specialist and kickoff returner.

A backup behind Brian Westbrook for most of his eight seasons in Philadelphia, the 30-year-old Buckhalter has battled back from knee injuries that forced him to miss the 2002, 2004 and 2005 campaigns. Buckhalter started two games in 2008 and finished the season with 369 rushing yards and two touchdowns on 76 attempts. He also is an effective receiver coming out of the backfield.

Arrington never fulfilled the expectations that came with being Arizona’s second-round draft pick in 2005. But he did start three games for the 2008 Cardinals team that reached Super Bowl XLIII. Arrington tallied 432 combined yards from scrimmage (rushing and receiving) and averaged 25.6 yards on kickoff returns with one touchdown.

Denver finished last season with seven running backs on injured reserve.

Cheez Whiz
02-27-2009, 01:09 AM
Correl Buckhalter starting? LOLOMGWTF!?

Lonestar
02-27-2009, 01:10 AM
J.J. Arrington | #28 | RB

Arizona Cardinals | Official Team Site



Height: 5-9 Weight: 212 Age: 26

Born: 1/23/1983 Rocky Mount , NC

College: California

Experience: 4th season

High School: Northern Nash HS [Rocky Mount, NC]

31 YDS 187 AVG 6.0 TDS 1


Correll Buckhalter | #28 | RB

Philadelphia Eagles | Official Team Site



Height: 6-0 Weight: 217 Age: 30

Born: 10/6/1978 Collins , MS

College: Nebraska

Experience: 8th season

High School: Collins HS [MS]
CAR 76 YDS 369 AVG 4.9 TDS 2



Looks to me like two NE model RB..

Arringtion the same size as Faulk
Buckhalter = Maroney

BigCurly1230
02-27-2009, 01:10 AM
Clayton just reported on ESPN they are coming in for visits.
No word on us signing either one yet
.
Thank God!

honz
02-27-2009, 01:10 AM
John Clayton just reported that both are coming in for visits, but neither of them have officially signed.

Cheez Whiz
02-27-2009, 01:12 AM
Clayton just reported on ESPN they are coming in for visits.
No word on us signing either one yet
.
Thank God!

:beer:

Let's hope Clayton is right.

I wouldn't mind bringing in JJ Arrington as a backup, aslong as he came cheap.

Buckhalter blows my mind, he breaks like a potato chip.

BigCurly1230
02-27-2009, 01:13 AM
:beer:

Let's hope Clayton is right.

I wouldn't mind bringing in JJ Arrington as a backup, aslong as he came cheap.

Buckhalter blows my mind, he breaks like a potato chip.

C-bucks knees are shot....I do not understand even bringing him in for a visit!
I want some fresh legs!!

DenBronx
02-27-2009, 01:14 AM
god please let this be true.

Cheez Whiz
02-27-2009, 01:15 AM
Update thread title.

Not sure if it will allow me.

Lonestar
02-27-2009, 01:16 AM
They are the prototypical back up RB's that NE has had the past few years..

215-230 pounds 5-9 to 6-1

200-400 yards and some passes..

The top two RB's have had 700-900 yards each with some catches..

This will not be a Run first offense like it used to be years ago..

DenBronx
02-27-2009, 01:17 AM
i dont know why were in such a rush for a rb anyway.

honz
02-27-2009, 01:19 AM
i dont know why were in such a rush for a rb anyway.
I'm sure they are talking to other guys as well, this just so happened to leak really quickly.

DenBronx
02-27-2009, 01:21 AM
They are the prototypical back up RB's that NE has had the past few years..

215-230 pounds 5-9 to 6-1

200-400 yards and some passes..

The top two RB's have had 700-900 yards each with some catches..

This will not be a Run first offense like it used to be years ago..


this wont be a score first then hang on to the lead by trying to run the clock out like shanahan had. i do hope this is a offense that keeps tacking on points even if were up by 20. by adding buckhalter this really isnt a great step into being an offensive jaugernaut though.

NameUsedBefore
02-27-2009, 01:22 AM
I wouldn't mind J.J. Arrington at all.

Buckhalter needs to retire, though.

BigCurly1230
02-27-2009, 01:22 AM
i dont know why were in such a rush for a rb anyway.

No kidding....we need to get Bart Scott in here
.
Wish we could of grabbed yermiah bell and gibril wilson too
Damn Dolphins :rolleyes:

Lonestar
02-27-2009, 01:29 AM
this wont be a score first then hang on to the lead by trying to run the clock out like shanahan had. i do hope this is a offense that keeps tacking on points even if were up by 20. by adding buckhalter this really isnt a great step into being an offensive jaugernaut though.


I think we will be running enough to kill the clock when we have a 17+ point lead.. but we will still be throwing the ball not like mikey with his prevent offense late in the game..

Look at what NE did and add the effective ZBS to it and you have the new improved Den Offense.. Just because he kept dennison and turner does not remotely mean we are going to run first not with Jay, Marshall, Eddie, Toni, Daniel, Stokely and Hillis out of the back field.. Look for a modified WCO with Jay slinging the ball to whom ever is open..

Cheez Whiz
02-27-2009, 01:40 AM
Another report....


Updating a previous item, FOXSports' Alex Marvez reports that the Broncos are expected to sign both Correll Buckhalter and J.J. Arrington after they pass their physicals on Friday.

The Broncos are going to use a backfield committee under Josh McDaniels, just like he employed in New England. Neither signing is very inspiring, but this probably takes Denver out of the running for free agent Derrick Ward. Marvez calls Buckhalter, 30, "a front-runner for a starting spot."
Source: FOXSports.com
Related: J.J. Arrington, Broncos

Cheez Whiz
02-27-2009, 01:40 AM
Who is Alex Marves anyways? hack.

Cheez Whiz
02-27-2009, 01:42 AM
If he wanted to have a RBBC like NE, He could keep the runningbacks we have.

ikillz0mbies
02-27-2009, 01:44 AM
I guess I'm the only one for the signings....I stand pat on my opinion on the signings or eventual signings, unless this Alex Marvez guy (who I never heard of) is a lying sack of crap and is not true. As long as they sign FOR CHEAP, then I'm for it. If not, *thumbs down*.

honz
02-27-2009, 01:46 AM
I guess I'm the only one for the signings....I stand pat on my opinion on the signings or eventual signings, unless this Alex Marvez guy (who I never heard of) is a lying sack of crap and is not true. As long as they sign FOR CHEAP, then I'm for it. If not, *thumbs down*.

I'm with you. I like both guys. And I highly doubt we have break the bank for either one...it's not like these are going to be our only signings.

Lonestar
02-27-2009, 01:46 AM
If he wanted to have a RBBC like NE, He could keep the runningbacks we have.


who is to say he will not keep those still on the roster? Aldridge was a midget NE does not draft midgets to run the ball.. Aldridge was mikeys boy same with tater..

ikillz0mbies
02-27-2009, 01:54 AM
Knowing that the Broncos are making moves from the start, I really hope that the next players on their wish list are Chris Canty and Bart Scott. Make it happen!

dogfish
02-27-2009, 01:59 AM
Knowing that the Broncos are making moves from the start, I really hope that the next players on their wish list are Chris Canty and Bart Scott. Make it happen!



will you settle for monty beisel and reynaldo hill?



:lol:

NameUsedBefore
02-27-2009, 01:59 AM
Well, if we don't make some kind of move or moves to plug some serious flaws in our defense then we might of well have just kept Shanahan. Seriously.

Lonestar
02-27-2009, 02:03 AM
Well, if we don't make some kind of move or moves to plug some serious flaws in our defense then we might of well have just kept Shanahan. Seriously.

how do you know we will not?..

For Gods sake FA started TWO hours ago..

Did you really think Xander was going to have 9 Prime time Defensive wizards at Dove Valley tonight to take Physicals and sign them?
By now.. there are 31 other teams out there for some of these guys to talk to..

Have some patience or be ready for a very long off season..

NameUsedBefore
02-27-2009, 02:05 AM
how do you know we will not?..

For Gods sake FA started TWO hours ago..

Did you really think Xander was going to have 9 Prime time Defensive wizards at Dove Valley tonight to take Physicals and sign them?
By now.. there are 31 other teams out there for some of these guys to talk to..

Have some patience or be ready for a very long off season..

I didn't mean right now Jr. :lol:

NameUsedBefore
02-27-2009, 02:05 AM
But if I did, I also want a Lombardi...

honz
02-27-2009, 02:06 AM
Well, if we don't make some kind of move or moves to plug some serious flaws in our defense then we might of well have just kept Shanahan. Seriously.

We're only 2 hours in to FA. I don't think anyone has signed a contract with a new team. I'm sure our guys are talking to plenty of different players.

ikillz0mbies
02-27-2009, 02:06 AM
will you settle for monty beisel and reynaldo hill?



:lol:

Renaldo Hill: Hell no!

Monty Beisel: Yes, for multiple reasons. He would make a great backup in the MIKE spot. He can make sure tackles and has good instincts. And the most important reason of all, he has a SUPER hot girlfriend, Jennifer England. She is just....WOW :salute:

Gamechanger
02-27-2009, 02:15 AM
maybe Buckhalter will play a Corey Dillon role? :noidea:

Arrington is a beast also, liked him out of Cal too

dogfish
02-27-2009, 02:31 AM
honestly, it's not that i have anything against either of these guys. . . arrington is a quality kick returner, and buckhalter runs hard-- he's more than adequate as a second or third back. . . although, signing one of the most notoriously brittle RBs in the league wouldn't exactly fill me with confidence after a season where we put seven backs on IR. . . *shudders*

but i WILL be disappointed if all the players we bring in end up being these third- and fourth-tier types of guys, as recent media reports have suggested would be the case. . . it makes me awfully nervous when i hear that guys like ron bartell and derrick ward are beyond our price range. . . this is the first time in forever that we've had the cap space to actually be serious players in free agency, i hate to see us start out with a bunch of relative stiffs in our sights-- i'm going to be pissed if we're 4th or 5th in the league in available cap space and we can't sign at least one or two impact players. . . if we're serious about trying to do something in the next year or two, this team needs a lot more help than guys like reynaldo hill and correll buckhalter are going to give us!

WARHORSE
02-27-2009, 02:35 AM
I like the signings. More Buckhalter than Arrington. But two needs just got met, and Im happy about it.


Buckhalter is a tough sob.

Arrington is going to take our kick return game to the level it hasnt been at in YEARS...................


Thanks JOSH and X.

ikillz0mbies
02-27-2009, 02:37 AM
honestly, it's not that i have anything against either of these guys. . . arrington is a quality kick returner, and buckhalter runs hard-- he's more than adequate as a second or third back. . . although, signing one of the most notoriously brittle RBs in the league wouldn't exactly fill me with confidence after a season where we put seven backs on IR. . . *shudders*

but i WILL be disappointed if all the players we bring in end up being these third- and fourth-tier types of guys, as recent media reports have suggested would be the case. . . it makes me awfully nervous when i hear that guys like ron bartell and derrick ward are beyond our price range. . . this is the first time in forever that we've had the cap space to actually be serious players in free agency, i hate to see us start out with a bunch of relative stiffs in our sights-- i'm going to be pissed if we're 4th or 5th in the league in available cap space and we can't sign at least one or two impact players. . . if we're serious about trying to do something in the next year or two, this team needs a lot more help than guys like reynaldo hill and correll buckhalter are going to give us!

Yes, I totally agree. I wouldn't be happy if these players are the biggest names the Broncos land this season. But as others have said, it has only been 2 hours into the free agency period, so there is still a chance Chris Canty and Bart Scott end up in orange and blue.

WARHORSE
02-27-2009, 02:39 AM
I just saw that they werent signed, just set up for visits.
PFT.

ikillz0mbies
02-27-2009, 02:41 AM
Can I whack this Alex Marvez guy? Saying that these two players have signed, but they're only in for visits. He's like the Chris Mortensen of Fox Sports.

atwater27
02-27-2009, 02:48 AM
Yikes!!!!

BRONCOSFREAK765
02-27-2009, 02:53 AM
I just saw that they werent signed, just set up for visits.
PFT.

BRONCOS TARGETING TWO TAILBACKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 27, 2009, 1:48 a.m.

Within thirty minutes after free agency opened, Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com reported that the Broncos had agreed to terms with tailbacks J.J. Arrington of the Cardinals, and Correll Buckhalter of the Eagles.

As it turns out, Denver didn’t do deals with either player. Instead, the Broncos merely lined up visits with them.

Marvez will be adjusting his report, if he hasn’t already done so.

WARHORSE
02-27-2009, 03:08 AM
It still means us signing them is probable.

Lonestar
02-27-2009, 03:13 AM
Yes, I totally agree. I wouldn't be happy if these players are the biggest names the Broncos land this season. But as others have said, it has only been 2 hours into the free agency period, so there is still a chance Chris Canty and Bart Scott end up in orange and blue.

Canty has 4 scheduled visits through Monday. WAS, TEN, someplace not DEN and SFO . the likely hood of him coming to DEN a rebuilding team are slim and no way..

fcspikeit
02-27-2009, 03:24 AM
how do you know we will not?..

For Gods sake FA started TWO hours ago..

Did you really think Xander was going to have 9 Prime time Defensive wizards at Dove Valley tonight to take Physicals and sign them?
By now.. there are 31 other teams out there for some of these guys to talk to..

Have some patience or be ready for a very long off season..


We're only 2 hours in to FA. I don't think anyone has signed a contract with a new team. I'm sure our guys are talking to plenty of different players.

I know we're only a couple hours in but why are these the firsts guys we're bringing in? RB isn't even that big a need and the first guys their going after are a couple 3rd rate RB's, when there are guys who could really help this team still out there?

I don't get it :confused:

atwater27
02-27-2009, 03:25 AM
If Denver signs these 2 scrubs, the only explanation I could have is that they are secretly planning on drafting Knowshawn Moreno and they want everybody else to think they are set at RB before the draft. Sounds crazy and it is.

WARHORSE
02-27-2009, 04:55 AM
If Denver signs these 2 scrubs, the only explanation I could have is that they are secretly planning on drafting Knowshawn Moreno and they want everybody else to think they are set at RB before the draft. Sounds crazy and it is.

Buckhalter is not a scrub, and Arrington is probably KR/third down.

Nothing wrong with that.

We have a cheap.....tough/hardnosed runner......who is a vet...can pass protect and catch the ball..............in Buckhalter.

When was the last KR in a Bronco uniform walkin in the endzone?

fcspikeit
02-27-2009, 05:29 AM
Buckhalter is not a scrub, and Arrington is probably KR/third down.

Nothing wrong with that.

We have a cheap.....tough/hardnosed runner......who is a vet...can pass protect and catch the ball..............in Buckhalter.

When was the last KR in a Bronco uniform walkin in the endzone?

We don't know if we got either for cheap, and I don't see how a guy who is always hurt could be considered tough..

Sure if we get them for next to nothing, they are worth bringing in... I just hope we don't pay them like starters.

Cheez Whiz
02-27-2009, 05:41 AM
The Broncos and 4 other teams have contracts on the table with Derrick Ward.

I am sure we'll hear more as time goes on.

elsid13
02-27-2009, 05:52 AM
The Broncos and 4 other teams have contracts on the table with Derrick Ward.

I am sure we'll hear more as time goes on.

where did you see this?

elsid13
02-27-2009, 06:00 AM
I actually hate the idea of bringing the two in for a visit or even signing them. One a back that struggled to stay healthy and is closing in on 30 and other is guy that proven that he kr/pr at best. We can similar guys in the lower round of draft for less cost. In fact I except for few outliers most FA RB aren't successful.

EMB6903
02-27-2009, 06:09 AM
Cant stand the fact that the first reports we see are Denver is keying in on FA Running backs, I wouldnt mind Arrington for the right price but Id rather wait until the 4th and draft James Davis to back up Hillis over Buckhalter who has had some pretty serious injuries in the past (not to mention hes 30)


Im anxious to see whats gonna happen with Derrick Ward though, I wouldnt be surprised if he got more cash than Brandon Jacobs did..... Giants got a steal with Jacobs

fcspikeit
02-27-2009, 06:33 AM
Cant stand the fact that the first reports we see are Denver is keying in on FA Running backs, I wouldnt mind Arrington for the right price but Id rather wait until the 4th and draft James Davis to back up Hillis over Buckhalter who has had some pretty serious injuries in the past (not to mention hes 30)


Im anxious to see whats gonna happen with Derrick Ward though, I wouldnt be surprised if he got more cash than Brandon Jacobs did..... Giants got a steal with Jacobs


Man I hope we don't pay him that much... WTF? With all the help we need on D why are we focusing so much on RB's? On top of that, why are we targeting the top RB on in FA? Sure he would help the team out but we have so many other more pressing needs..

EMB6903
02-27-2009, 06:45 AM
Man I hope we don't pay him that much... WTF? With all the help we need on D why are we focusing so much on RB's? On top of that, why are we targeting the top RB on in FA? Sure he would help the team out but, we have so many other more pressing needs..

I agree, I think targetting a high priced FA RB is the worst thing you can do

Dirk
02-27-2009, 06:51 AM
It's still early in the FA world...so hopefully they have some players that they have keyed in on and they are FOR THE DEFENSE!!! ughhhhhhh

SmilinAssasSin27
02-27-2009, 07:27 AM
I like Buckhalter. He seems to be past his knee issues and runs very hard. He'll come cheap, so no harm, no foul.

TXBRONC
02-27-2009, 08:02 AM
hillis/draft pick with buckhalter sitting on the bench.

Buckhalter hasn't been a bad change of pace back for Eagles from what I remember Den.

fcspikeit
02-27-2009, 08:07 AM
Buckhalter hasn't been a bad change of pace back for Eagles from what I remember Den.

When healthy he has been pretty good.. I am just surprised we are targeting 3 RB's.. It was reported that we have already offered contracts to all 3 too.. Although I guess that could be just rumor.

broncofaninfla
02-27-2009, 08:12 AM
When I think free agency I think filling holes or improving at a postion. I don't see how either of these guys is any better than anybody we currently have. JJ for kickoffs would be a good move move but Hillis is better than either by far as a RB.

lex
02-27-2009, 08:16 AM
Rudderless

TXBRONC
02-27-2009, 08:53 AM
When healthy he has been pretty good.. I am just surprised we are targeting 3 RB's.. It was reported that we have already offered contracts to all 3 too.. Although I guess that could be just rumor.

It veary easily could be a rumor.

Dreadnought
02-27-2009, 09:16 AM
Tatum Bell is healthier than Buckalter and at least as good, and is a far superior to back to Arrington. I don't get essentially swapping them out. Buckalter has never stayed healthy, and I see no reason to expect he will now. Pencilling him in for a major role makes as much sense as counting on Ryan Torain.

Arrington is just a plain old stiff. If he makes the roster at all we are in trouble

Rick
02-27-2009, 09:20 AM
Just because the guy in the first hours brings in some lower tiered RB vets doesn't mean he isn't also targeting upper tiered defense players.

Those contracts might take a little more time, especially since those players will want to hear other offers first.

Should he ignore all players on his list just because he wants the bigger name guys or go ahead and get the little guys done while he is working on the bigger ones?

Hobe
02-27-2009, 09:21 AM
I like Buckhalter, but Hillis is better as a power back and receiver. If they were signed this fast, I hope they were cheep.

Medford Bronco
02-27-2009, 09:25 AM
I have a feeling they are getting Arrington for kickoff duties, where he's actually been pretty good.

and by default he is better than the crap we have had for the last 10 years

Medford Bronco
02-27-2009, 09:26 AM
When I think free agency I think filling holes or improving at a postion. I don't see how either of these guys is any better than anybody we currently have. JJ for kickoffs would be a good move move but Hillis is better than either by far as a RB.


How do we know Hillis is better. From the whole 4 games he started.

I like the moves. If Hillis is better, let him win the job.

CoachChaz
02-27-2009, 09:31 AM
Hillis is a fullback

Rex
02-27-2009, 09:36 AM
Hillis is a fullback

Exactly.

If healthy, I will take Buckhalter in a second.

Arrington is intriguing. Last season, everyone was pissing themselves over the thought of Aldridge coming out of the backfield. I think Arrington is a nice change of pace.

CoachChaz
02-27-2009, 09:40 AM
I like Buckhalter. Since '05 he hasnt had any problems with injury. The only thing keeping him off the field was Westbrook. Wouldnt bother me one bit if we signed him.

EMB6903
02-27-2009, 09:44 AM
Hillis is the best half back on the Denver Broncos roster, and would still be if we added Buckhalter and Arrington.

GEM
02-27-2009, 10:49 AM
On 950TheFan this morning, they said they were just bringing them in for a visit today.

Rex
02-27-2009, 10:50 AM
Hillis is the best half back on the Denver Broncos roster, and would still be if we added Buckhalter and Arrington.

and an even better fullback.

Northman
02-27-2009, 10:53 AM
Why so many people are intent on having Hillis as the lead back is a mystery to me. One of the things that helped Denver get to a SB and win was having a great FB to LEAD the RB. Howard Griffith anyone? Hillis would be far more effective at FB than RB and thats his natural position anyway.

GEM
02-27-2009, 10:58 AM
Why so many people are intent on having Hillis as the lead back is a mystery to me. One of the things that helped Denver get to a SB and win was having a great FB to LEAD the RB. Howard Griffith anyone? Hillis would be far more effective at FB than RB and thats his natural position anyway.

Because as of right now, we don't have a RB that has shown any better running skills than Hillis. If we get that RB, I'm sure everyone would be fine with it.

jrelway
02-27-2009, 10:58 AM
hmm. already signing damaged goods at the start of free agency. 2 bad knees as a backup thru his career. he wont last the season damnit

broncobryce
02-27-2009, 10:59 AM
As for the title of this thread.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddnZxVQ3kzs&feature=related

Buff
02-27-2009, 11:00 AM
Why so many people are intent on having Hillis as the lead back is a mystery to me. One of the things that helped Denver get to a SB and win was having a great FB to LEAD the RB. Howard Griffith anyone? Hillis would be far more effective at FB than RB and thats his natural position anyway.

Because he was the only back that was worth a shit last year. He proved he could catch the ball out of the back field and run with power. He's clearly the best RB on the roster right now... I don't want him to be the feature back, but I also don't want to banish him back to FB full time.

topscribe
02-27-2009, 11:05 AM
Hillis is a fullback

Why? Because he's big? Hillis was doing such a poor job at FB last year, they
pulled Larsen off LB, where Larsen was doing well, and put him at FB ahead of
Hillis.

But then they made Hillis the RB, and all he did was to rip off a 5.0 YPC.

Maybe Hillis could be groomed into another Griffith, but Griffith could never run
like Hillis. So do we want another Mike Anderson situation: a good RB wasting
away at FB?

I just don't like the idea at all.

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broncofaninfla
02-27-2009, 11:08 AM
I agree Top, Hillis already "interviewed" for this job last year and passed with flying colors. He rips off good chunks of yards, is deceptivly fast and has a great set of hands. There is no way Mcd reviews last years film and sees otherwise.

Northman
02-27-2009, 11:09 AM
Because he was the only back that was worth a shit last year. He proved he could catch the ball out of the back field and run with power. He's clearly the best RB on the roster right now... I don't want him to be the feature back, but I also don't want to banish him back to FB full time.


And like all the other RB's he went down with injury. Hillis has power and that is why he had some success. However, putting him in a position at FB is hardly going to waste unless of course your Mike Shanahan and never utilized him in that position to begin with. Again, Howard Griffith was a key component to Denver's offense and it wasnt like he was a scrub. What is this banishing crap? :lol:

Buff
02-27-2009, 11:11 AM
And like all the other RB's he went down with injury. Hillis has power and that is why he had some success. However, putting him in a position at FB is hardly going to waste unless of course your Mike Shanahan and never utilized him in that position to begin with. Again, Howard Griffith was a key component to Denver's offense and it wasnt like he was a scrub. What is this banishing crap? :lol:

I just mean that FB's don't get to handle the ball enough, Hillis has proven to be a playmaker with the ball in his hands.

Northman
02-27-2009, 11:14 AM
I just mean that FB's don't get to handle the ball enough, Hillis has proven to be a playmaker with the ball in his hands.

And im saying it depends on the type of offense. Shanahan got away from what worked for him. Sure, personnel had some to do with it even when the pieces got into place he still abandoned it. Hillis had some success last year but some of that is because teams had no film on him so they never knew what to expect. Having a FB and RB in the backfield (both of which can run) only adds to the offense and forces the defense to try and guess who is getting the ball. Not too mention, with Hillis's power he can easily help open up gaps especially on goalline situations or he can run it in from there. If Hillis goes to waste its because the Coach is not utilizing him. My guess is if McD is looking for a back he plans on utilizing Hillis in a position he is familiar with.

topscribe
02-27-2009, 11:15 AM
I just mean that FB's don't get to handle the ball enough, Hillis has proven to be a playmaker with the ball in his hands.

"Hillis is even better when he has the ball in his hands."

A quote from one of Shanny's pressers last year.

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bcbronc
02-27-2009, 11:34 AM
not the start to FA I was hoping for. I think Buckhalter is a good back and JJ can help the return game I guess. but it doesn't really seem like an upgrade over what we already have on the roster.

if Young, Torain, and Buckhalter started a jazz band, they'd call themselves the Porcelain Trio.

DenBronx
02-27-2009, 11:34 AM
Why so many people are intent on having Hillis as the lead back is a mystery to me. One of the things that helped Denver get to a SB and win was having a great FB to LEAD the RB. Howard Griffith anyone? Hillis would be far more effective at FB than RB and thats his natural position anyway.

because in our super bowl years we had davis. there is no davis on our roster therefor hillis is still the best back. buckhalter isnt worthy of carrying hillis jockstrap.

Dortoh
02-27-2009, 11:34 AM
I would think they both came fairly cheap. Good value/potential type signings.

Now add a wr and lets get to work on the D

Northman
02-27-2009, 11:36 AM
because in our super bowl years we had davis. there is no davis on our roster therefor hillis is still the best back. buckhalter isnt worthy of carrying hillis jockstrap.

And we also had a great Oline, John Elway, and Howard Griffith. And who said that Buckhalter was as good as TD? Thats totally off point.

Medford Bronco
02-27-2009, 11:40 AM
Hillis is the best half back on the Denver Broncos roster, and would still be if we added Buckhalter and Arrington.

based on what? 4 whole games:confused:

Dortoh
02-27-2009, 11:44 AM
And we also had a great Oline, John Elway, and Howard Griffith. And who said that Buckhalter was as good as TD? Thats totally off point.

I hope McD loves him some real FB.........anyone know???

DenBronx
02-27-2009, 11:44 AM
And we also had a great Oline, John Elway, and Howard Griffith. And who said that Buckhalter was as good as TD? Thats totally off point.


and right now we have a great o-line and cutler.

my point was out of the current rb's we have right now i dont want to see hillis slide to fb until we have a gauranteed starter. right now he is better than anyone we got.

Italianmobstr7
02-27-2009, 11:56 AM
Just got the text. It's official. Arrington and Buckhalter are Broncos.

DenBronx
02-27-2009, 12:05 PM
Just got the text. It's official. Arrington and Buckhalter are Broncos.

then forget about derrick ward.

i dont understand why we didnt show interest in taylor.

broncobryce
02-27-2009, 12:06 PM
Text from who?

fcspikeit
02-27-2009, 12:09 PM
Text from who?

CBS4, I got the same text. It didn't give the details just that they were in fact signed..

lex
02-27-2009, 12:15 PM
And like all the other RB's he went down with injury. Hillis has power and that is why he had some success. However, putting him in a position at FB is hardly going to waste unless of course your Mike Shanahan and never utilized him in that position to begin with. Again, Howard Griffith was a key component to Denver's offense and it wasnt like he was a scrub. What is this banishing crap? :lol:

Denver also had a 2000 yard running back, but according to your reasoning, Griffith was the reason that happened.

underrated29
02-27-2009, 12:18 PM
Denver also had a 2000 yard running back, but according to your reasoning, Griffith was the reason that happened.

Howard sure helped though...Thats what my name is after. #29 HoGriff. Underrated all the way.

Medford Bronco
02-27-2009, 12:21 PM
Why are people so sour at this.

this teams MAIN problems are on D. Stop the other team and maybe our offense can be fully utiliezed and not have to throw it a million times a game.

These guys will do fine. Its a new team with a fresh outlook.

I am sure they did not cost too much either.

GEM
02-27-2009, 12:23 PM
based on what? 4 whole games:confused:

Based on the run games success when he was in there vs. when he wasn't.

No one is saying that Hillis is irreplaceable at RB...we're just saying that's how bad we are at the RB position. If, and only if, we get a decent RB then Hillis can go back to FB, (a spot he was yanked from and a LB put in his place) if that doesn't happen he's the best option we have.

It's not that Hillis was out of this world great....it was that the rest of the pack at RB was either injured or not that good.

Dortoh
02-27-2009, 12:23 PM
Why are people so sour at this.

this teams MAIN problems are on D. Stop the other team and maybe our offense can be fully utiliezed and not have to throw it a million times a game.

These guys will do fine. Its a new team with a fresh outlook.

I am sure they did not cost too much either.

Exactly my thoughts. They are cheap signings/depth that opens up more cap room/draft picks for the d side of the ball.

Emotions run way to high on the first day of FA every year. Its tradition :)

Medford Bronco
02-27-2009, 12:26 PM
Based on the run games success when he was in there vs. when he wasn't.

No one is saying that Hillis is irreplaceable at RB...we're just saying that's how bad we are at the RB position. If, and only if, we get a decent RB then Hillis can go back to FB, (a spot he was yanked from and a LB put in his place) if that doesn't happen he's the best option we have.

It's not that Hillis was out of this world great....it was that the rest of the pack at RB was either injured or not that good.

Our Defense is the main problem. These guys are not as bad as people are making them out to be and also Hillis is unproven to me. Let him fight for a job with these guys. My gut tells me that Arrington is mainly for kickoffs were we have sucked for like a million years. BTW when was the last KO return for a TD, 1997 I think. That is truely pathetic.

Buckholder if and that is a big if is good when healthy. that has been his problem and also playing behind Westbrook was not helping him either. We dont have a Westbrook so he should get more PT for sure.

D1g1tal j1m
02-27-2009, 12:28 PM
JJ and CB are the type of RB's that are prototypical NE RB the last couple of years. They are both decent runners who can block in the spread offense and more importantly can catch the ball out of the backfield. This gives McD more flexibility in gameplanning and allow for a RB rotation. I see Hillis as more of a TE/slot receiver (ala Dallas Clark) when JJ and CB are in the game and I'm sure he will occasionally line up in the backfield but only to get out to catch a pass. I think Torain will be used as the bruising power-back near the goalline and on short yardage.
Torain, Hilis, JJ, CB & Young is not a bad rotation in todays NFL. The current trend is on a RBBC approach as teams look for flexibility and options on Offense.

lex
02-27-2009, 12:30 PM
Howard sure helped though...Thats what my name is after. #29 HoGriff. Underrated all the way.

And no one is saying he wasnt a good player.

bcbronc
02-27-2009, 12:31 PM
JJ and CB are the type of RB's that are prototypical NE RB the last couple of years. They are both decent runners who can block in the spread offense and more importantly can catch the ball out of the backfield. This gives McD more flexibility in gameplanning and allow for a RB rotation. I see Hillis as more of a TE/slot receiver (ala Dallas Clark) when JJ and CB are in the game and I'm sure he will occasionally line up in the backfield but only to get out to catch a pass. I think Torain will be used as the bruising power-back near the goalline and on short yardage.
Torain, Hilis, JJ, CB & Young is not a bad rotation in todays NFL. The current trend is on a RBBC approach as teams look for flexibility and options on Offense.

but then when Torrain, CB, & Young are all out with injuries, we're pretty much back to square one.

broncobryce
02-27-2009, 12:32 PM
Buh Bye Tatum.......JJ and Buck better hide your bags.........

GEM
02-27-2009, 12:33 PM
Our Defense is the main problem. These guys are not as bad as people are making them out to be and also Hillis is unproven to me. Let him fight for a job with these guys. My gut tells me that Arrington is mainly for kickoffs were we have sucked for like a million years. BTW when was the last KO return for a TD, 1997 I think. That is truely pathetic.

Buckholder if and that is a big if is good when healthy. that has been his problem and also playing behind Westbrook was not helping him either. We dont have a Westbrook so he should get more PT for sure.

Everyone knows D is the problem that needs the most attention. These are a couple of bodies that come in and give some competition, came cheap and it points towards they are trying to save some draft pics from being used on RB, perhaps doing what they should and focusing them on the D.

Was Glenn Martinez' run back for a TD on a punt? Can't remember.

I think that we as fans all arrive back at the same place, we want to see what the changes on D are going to be and we would like to see quickly. I was listening to the radio this morning and the top story was Haynesworth to the Redskins, I slapped my steering wheel until I heard the price tag...then I slapped it again and said....Stupid Redskins, they'll never learn. :lol:

Dortoh
02-27-2009, 12:33 PM
Predicting future injuries is a fools game IMO

broncobryce
02-27-2009, 12:33 PM
but then when Torrain, CB, & Young are all out with injuries, we're pretty much back to square one.

And then Hillis will have to prove to people AGAIN that he is the best on the team.:cool:

bcbronc
02-27-2009, 12:34 PM
Predicting future injuries is a fools game IMO

so is ignoring the past.

:coffee:

underrated29
02-27-2009, 12:36 PM
Predicting future injuries is a fools game IMO



Hell, just predicting the future is hard enough. Remember my stupid prediction thread....I dont think i was even close on anything, and i have been doing this for 3 years now. Thats a lot of predictions for me to get wrong.

Dortoh
02-27-2009, 12:36 PM
And then Hillis will have to prove to people AGAIN that he is the best on the team.:cool:

If he does and he is that would be great but this is the NFL you need to prove earn your position on the roster year by year. Competition is never a bad thing.

lex
02-27-2009, 12:37 PM
Why are people so sour at this.

this teams MAIN problems are on D. Stop the other team and maybe our offense can be fully utiliezed and not have to throw it a million times a game.

These guys will do fine. Its a new team with a fresh outlook.

I am sure they did not cost too much either.

You answered your own questions. On top of that, its really not an improvement over Hillis. Its more ove what we saw last year. Dumb. This team is rudderless.

Rex
02-27-2009, 12:39 PM
You answered your own questions. On top of that, its really not an improvement over Hillis. Its more ove what we saw last year. Dumb. This team is rudderless.

Better become a Chiefs fan.

Move along.

Dortoh
02-27-2009, 12:40 PM
You answered your own questions. On top of that, its really not an improvement over Hillis. Its more ove what we saw last year. Dumb. This team is rudderless.

If it pleases the court please note that Lex officially had his FA meltdown at the 10hour 39minute mark of the first day. ;)

fcspikeit
02-27-2009, 12:41 PM
Why are people so sour at this.

this teams MAIN problems are on D. Stop the other team and maybe our offense can be fully utiliezed and not have to throw it a million times a game.

These guys will do fine. Its a new team with a fresh outlook.

I am sure they did not cost too much either.

That is the Problem Med.. We are signing second rate players on offense while teams like the Jets are signing the guys we need the most like Scott..

We should be going after the guys we need the most first! We are targeting offensive players when everyone knows we need defense.

Rex
02-27-2009, 12:41 PM
If it pleases the court please note that Lex officially had his FA meltdown at the 10hour 39minute mark of the first day. ;)

Has Lex every been happy with anything?

How about Ryan Clady?

Dortoh
02-27-2009, 12:42 PM
so is ignoring the past.

:coffee:

Ok then what is so bad about bringing in some fresh bodys at the position?

Rex
02-27-2009, 12:42 PM
Ok then what is so bad about bringing in some fresh bodys at the position?

Because they are not spending $45 million on big names.:coffee:

fcspikeit
02-27-2009, 12:44 PM
then forget about derrick ward.

i dont understand why we didnt show interest in taylor.

Or Benson.. The Bengals are now known to be interested in Ward. There is a good chance we could have got Benson for next nothing

bcbronc
02-27-2009, 12:46 PM
Ok then what is so bad about bringing in some fresh bodys at the position?

nothing. but I don't consider Buckhalter "fresh", even though I like him as a player. 3 big injures and 30. if JJ is being brought in as a kick return specialist, I'd rather have used a mid round pick and taken an extra WR or CB that can do that job. if he's being brought in to be part of the RBBC, well, he's underwhelming at best.

bottom line for me, I don't think either CB or JJ is an upgrade over what we had last year, if we ignore the 7 RBs on IR. both are solid vets, but neither actually improved the team.

Dirk
02-27-2009, 12:46 PM
You know, maybe they are going to make a move for Bj Raji and Rey Maualuga in the draft. Both starters and major impact players out of the box.

Would be some wheeling and dealing do get it done since both will go in the first round, but I can't imagine why they aren't targeting play makers for the defense in FA if they don't have a plan of some kind....

It's just hurry up and wait.

Dortoh
02-27-2009, 12:47 PM
Wait until the next two signings are Jabar Gaffney and some no name S from Miami.

SmilinAssasSin27
02-27-2009, 12:49 PM
We need a bunch of bodies, some will be opricey. Some will be cheap. I don't care which order they are taken in. No need to bitch until the whole group is in.

underrated29
02-27-2009, 12:49 PM
NO GAFFNEY!!!!!!!


I hate that guy- as i said in another post. He cant catch, he looks weird and has HUGE eyes, but can never look the ball all the way in to his hands....NO GAFFNEY!!!!!!


As far as other scrubs- heh, whatever right, as long as its not gaff.

fcspikeit
02-27-2009, 12:50 PM
Because they are not spending $45 million on big names.:coffee:

This defense was complete embarrassing last year.. We have done nothing to fix that up to this point, I don't ever want to see a defense that bad again. They have to fix it! If that means opening up the checkbook or simply targeting defenders, I don't care but I would like to at least see them try and fix the freaking defense!

GEM
02-27-2009, 12:53 PM
This defense was complete embarrassing last year.. We have don't nothing to fix that up to this point, I don't ever want to see a defense that bad again. They have to fix it! If that means opening up the check or simply targeting defenders, I don't care but I would like to at least see them try and fix the freaking defense!

Settle down....we're 12 hours and 51 minutes into the FA period.

Dortoh
02-27-2009, 12:53 PM
This defense was complete embarrassing last year.. We have don't nothing to fix that up to this point, I don't ever want to see a defense that bad again. They have to fix it! If that means opening up the check or simply targeting defenders, I don't care but I would like to at least see them try and fix the freaking defense!

Two people have already made an huge impact on the future of our D IMO

Slowik
&
Webster

addition by subtraction anyone :)

If we get thru FA and the draft without making some major moves on the dside of the ball I'll melt down with the best of them.

Rex
02-27-2009, 01:04 PM
This defense was complete embarrassing last year.. We have done nothing to fix that up to this point, I don't ever want to see a defense that bad again. They have to fix it! If that means opening up the checkbook or simply targeting defenders, I don't care but I would like to at least see them try and fix the freaking defense!

Signing big names to huge money rarely works out.

I would rather build young talent in the draft and lay low in FA than blow the bank on guys like Hall and Haynesworth.

I predict Haynesworth wont play 10 games next year.

fcspikeit
02-27-2009, 01:05 PM
Settle down....we're 12 hours and 51 minutes into the FA period.

The best DT & LB are already gone, that's the thing, other teams are talking to the top guys first, we are signing depth that we could be signing later in FA.

SmilinAssasSin27
02-27-2009, 01:09 PM
If Bart Scott is the best LB in FA, then I'm glad we didn't overpay.

fcspikeit
02-27-2009, 01:11 PM
Signing big names to huge money rarely works out.

I would rather build young talent in the draft and lay low in FA than blow the bank on guys like Hall and Haynesworth.

I predict Haynesworth wont play 10 games next year.

Screw Hall, and Haynesworth. Hall sucks and we knew Haynesworth would be to rich for Pat. This is more about the guys we could actually afford, Scott, Canty, Wilson, 2 of those 3 are already gone, I would at least like us to be apart of the conversation.

lex
02-27-2009, 01:12 PM
Better become a Chiefs fan.

Move along.

Though assertive, youre missing the mark. You dont decide any of this. If you dont like that, you can take your own advice.

lex
02-27-2009, 01:13 PM
If it pleases the court please note that Lex officially had his FA meltdown at the 10hour 39minute mark of the first day. ;)

Not hardly.

SmilinAssasSin27
02-27-2009, 01:13 PM
We can do better than breaking the bank of Wilson and Scott. Canty is a guy I like too and reports have us talking to Jabari Greer. Ray Lewis and Kevin Burnett are still out there for ILB and both will cost less than Scott. Plus, the real good teams build via the draft.

Northman
02-27-2009, 01:17 PM
Denver also had a 2000 yard running back, but according to your reasoning, Griffith was the reason that happened.

Uh no, but he did play a part.

Rex
02-27-2009, 01:20 PM
Though assertive, youre missing the mark. You dont decide any of this. If you dont like that, you can take your own advice.

I forgot that you know more about football and the Broncos than any other human being on Earth except BossHogg.

Change your avatar. He coaches the Rams.

Rex
02-27-2009, 01:20 PM
Uh no, but he did play a part.

TD would agree. But then again, Clady was a horrible draft pick...right?


See the message board experts are wrong sometimes.

Come here Northman....lets have a back rub.

Northman
02-27-2009, 01:22 PM
Wait until the next two signings are Jabar Gaffney and some no name S from Miami.

As long as they dont cut the punters we're good. :D

Northman
02-27-2009, 01:23 PM
NO GAFFNEY!!!!!!!


I hate that guy- as i said in another post. He cant catch, he looks weird and has HUGE eyes, but can never look the ball all the way in to his hands....NO GAFFNEY!!!!!!


As far as other scrubs- heh, whatever right, as long as its not gaff.


Actually, i think you're thinking of Caldwell.

Northman
02-27-2009, 01:23 PM
Two people have already made an huge impact on the future of our D IMO

Slowik
&
Webster

addition by subtraction anyone :)

If we get thru FA and the draft without making some major moves on the dside of the ball I'll melt down with the best of them.

:lol::lol::lol:

lex
02-27-2009, 01:26 PM
I forgot that you know more about football and the Broncos than any other human being on Earth except BossHogg.

Change your avatar. He coaches the Rams.

Sarcasm is a crutch for the feeble. You should quote that and put it in your sig instead of the lame one you have there now.

lex
02-27-2009, 01:28 PM
Uh no, but he did play a part.

I already said that no one is saying he was a bad player. I think we all appreciate him.

turftoad
02-27-2009, 01:29 PM
:focus:

GEM
02-27-2009, 01:29 PM
The best DT & LB are already gone, that's the thing, other teams are talking to the top guys first, we are signing depth that we could be signing later in FA.

And they are breaking the bank to get them.

We have so many needs at this point, wrapping up 1 guy at $100mil isn't in our price range. I think we're building depth in FA and are looking to do our best work in the draft. We've done the big FA thing for all the years past....how well has that worked out?

We have the best CB in football right now and what good is that doing us without a surrounding cast? We have FAR TOO MANY needs to be spending on one guy that can't play 11 positions.

MOtorboat
02-27-2009, 01:31 PM
And they are breaking the bank to get them.

We have so many needs at this point, wrapping up 1 guy at $100mil isn't in our price range. I think we're building depth in FA and are looking to do our best work in the draft. We've done the big FA thing for all the years past....how well has that worked out?

We have the best CB in football right now and what good is that doing us without a surrounding cast? We have FAR TOO MANY needs to be spending on one guy that can't play 11 positions.

Haynesworth wasn't worth the money, Scott wanted to play for his old boss...it's not the end of the world. Besides, you build through the draft, fix holes through free agency.

The Redskins, alone, should be enough to tell you how bad it is to go signing free agents willy-nilly and not spending any money on scouting college players.

GEM
02-27-2009, 01:40 PM
Haynesworth wasn't worth the money, Scott wanted to play for his old boss...it's not the end of the world. Besides, you build through the draft, fix holes through free agency.

The Redskins, alone, should be enough to tell you how bad it is to go signing free agents willy-nilly and not spending any money on scouting college players.

Exactly. We are in agreement. I don't see it as the end of the world that we aren't going out and going crazy in FA like we have in the past....that didn't get us any further towards the goal. It's nice looking at our cap number and not dreading it anymore like we have every year for the past how many years...

Medford Bronco
02-27-2009, 01:41 PM
You answered your own questions. On top of that, its really not an improvement over Hillis. Its more ove what we saw last year. Dumb. This team is rudderless.

How do you know its not an improvement based on what? Hillis 4 whole games.

Please :coffee:

lex
02-27-2009, 01:50 PM
How do you know its not an improvement based on what? Hillis 4 whole games.



Precisely. He was good enough to question the old ritual of acquiring marginal guys such as we did today.

TXBRONC
02-27-2009, 02:01 PM
I just saw on NFLN ticker tape that Schefter is reporting that Brian Dawkins will being in Denver today for a visit with the team.

TXBRONC
02-27-2009, 02:05 PM
then forget about derrick ward.

i dont understand why we didnt show interest in taylor.

No way would I want Taylor not at his age and his history of injuries.

topscribe
02-27-2009, 02:14 PM
I hope McD loves him some real FB.........anyone know???

Well, Andrew Pinnock, whom the Broncos picked up from SD last year, hasn't been cut. That could be a good sign for him.

Here's the dope on him: http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=9405

Wow, the guy is a 5'10", 250 lb. bowling ball! :shocked:

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topscribe
02-27-2009, 02:17 PM
How do you know its not an improvement based on what? Hillis 4 whole games.

Please :coffee:

Are you going to the other extreme and just dismissing Hillis' performance over
those four games, Med? That's four different games against four different
teams. Yes, we want to see more, but it is encouraging, isn't it?

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xzn
02-27-2009, 02:25 PM
Seriously dude, why do you have the H.C. of the Rams in your avatar?!?!?


Precisely. He was good enough to question the old ritual of acquiring marginal guys such as we did today.

dogfish
02-27-2009, 02:34 PM
NO GAFFNEY!!!!!!!


I hate that guy- as i said in another post. He cant catch, he looks weird and has HUGE eyes, but can never look the ball all the way in to his hands....NO GAFFNEY!!!!!!


As far as other scrubs- heh, whatever right, as long as its not gaff.


Actually, i think you're thinking of Caldwell.



reche caldwell. . . . :lol:



http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9859/deliciousat8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

TXBRONC
02-27-2009, 02:39 PM
reche caldwell. . . . :lol:



http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9859/deliciousat8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

He gives new meaninng to the term "deer in the headlights look." :lol:

underrated29
02-27-2009, 02:58 PM
SOB- it is Caldwell that i am thinking off. Is Gaffney the guy with the dreads? If so i do like him... A fair amount actually.


Gaffers or clayton either is nice, but some good defensive players would be toooooo, hello FO,? Defense is also a need.

elsid13
02-27-2009, 03:49 PM
There was an article in one of the philly paper that stated that CB was only going to a place were he could start. But how many 30 year old back are effective???

dogfish
02-27-2009, 04:37 PM
make it official. . . .


Broncos | Buckhalter agrees to terms
Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:11:14 -0800

Bill Williamson, of ESPN.com, reports the Denver Broncos have agreed to terms with unrestricted free-agent RB Correll Buckhalter (Eagles) on a four-year deal. Financial terms were not disclosed.


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Broncos | Arrington agrees to terms
Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:04:46 -0800

Bill Williamson, of ESPN.com, reports the Denver Broncos have agreed to terms with unrestricted free-agent RB J.J. Arrington (Cardinals) on a four-year deal. Financial terms were not disclosed.


CHAMPIONSHIP!!

Dortoh
02-27-2009, 04:41 PM
4 year deals..........um someone help me out here?

MOtorboat
02-27-2009, 04:42 PM
4 year deals..........um someone help me out here?

Probably to spread the base salary out enough to where if they cut them there won't be much cap penalty...but that's just a guess.

EMB6903
02-27-2009, 04:44 PM
2 Scrubs signed...... YES!

smh

honz
02-27-2009, 04:44 PM
They're both better than Andre Hall...

dogfish
02-27-2009, 04:45 PM
4 year deals..........um someone help me out here?

we tried to get buckhalter for six, but his agent wants him to get one more shot at free agency while he's still in his prime. . . . :lol:

BigCurly1230
02-27-2009, 04:50 PM
If this was at the vet minimum I would be happy.
Considering we are giving a long snapper 5 years-5.3 million
Something tells me this is not for the vet minimum
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I don't know what to think......

Dortoh
02-27-2009, 04:54 PM
If this was at the vet minimum I would be happy.
Considering we are giving a long snapper 5 years-5.3 million
Something tells me this is not for the vet minimum
.
.
I don't know what to think......

I was cracking on some earlier today about melting down. Um I'm starting to become slightly sweety and not in a good way

SmilinAssasSin27
02-27-2009, 04:59 PM
Buckhalter will help in goalline/short yardgage where we have sucked recently.

Cheez Whiz
02-27-2009, 05:01 PM
This sucks.

Horrible signings.

elsid13
02-27-2009, 05:02 PM
If this was at the vet minimum I would be happy.
Considering we are giving a long snapper 5 years-5.3 million
Something tells me this is not for the vet minimum
.
.
I don't know what to think......

Buckhalter was looking for stater money. Wonder if he got it.

Rex
02-27-2009, 05:20 PM
They're both better than Andre Hall...

and Young, Bell, Pope, etc etc etc.

honz
02-27-2009, 05:21 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/fa?playerId=2670


Buckhalter is an eight-year veteran who is a productive backup, when healthy. He is a good complementary back with a nice combination of size, speed and athletic ability. He has a great work ethic, which has allowed him to remain productive, despite suffering some unfortunate injuries in the early part of his career. He's a good athlete with natural vision and instincts. He accelerates well and has a burst in space to create big plays as a runner or receiver out of the backfield. He has the patience to allow his blocks to set up and he reads defenders' angles well. He does a good job of weaving through traffic and has good ability to slide laterally to avoid big hits. He catches the ball well out of the backfield and has good adjustment skills in space. He is versatile enough to line up in a variety of alignments and he handles his responsibilities well within the Eagles' multiple personnel groupings.

honz
02-27-2009, 05:23 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/fa?playerId=8458


Arrington is a fourth-year backup running back who also returns kicks. He is undersized, but he has good speed and quickness. He is a dangerous player in space due to his acceleration and quick burst up field. He has adequate change of direction, but lacks the balance and body control to avoid being too creative. Arrington can be quick to abandon the play design and try to create on his own. He has confidence in his ability to make something out of nothing, but needs to avoid dancing in the backfield. Arrington is better running outside than inside and he frequently looks to bounce it to the corner, whenever possible. He lacks the lower-body strength to pound the ball inside or the balance to create yards after contact. He has good hands as a receiver out of the backfield. He can adjust and get up field quick after the catch. However, his lack of size and strength limits his effectiveness in pass protection.

Medford Bronco
02-27-2009, 05:23 PM
They're both better than Andre Hall...

and Nate Webster if they played LB :lol:

Medford Bronco
02-27-2009, 05:25 PM
and Young, Bell, Pope, etc etc etc.

Amen to that. Too many people here just cry about everything.

We should worry about our DEFENSE that sucks, our offense will be fine

Also it would help him if our D made it so he did not feel we needed to score 35 plus every friggen game

omac
02-27-2009, 06:29 PM
As long as we got both RBs cheap, then what could it hurt? I don't like it that Buckhalter's had quite a few knee injuries throughout his career. We only need 1 good RB, hopefully for the whole season, and at worst case, we already have Hillis. If Hillis and Torain come back healthy (and stay healthy for Torain, hehehe), neither of these guys take the field too much, except for Kevin Faulk type roles.