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TXBRONC
02-23-2009, 11:21 AM
This is an interesting article that I thought you all might enjoy. I don't quite agree with thought that Larsen couldn't play as a Mike linebacker in 4-3 but I do think he could be even better in 3-4.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11762939

Broncos blend with the NFL trend
By Mike Klis
The Denver Post
Posted: 02/23/2009 12:30:00 AM MST

INDIANAPOLIS — The schematic symbol of the 1960s was the power sweep.

In the 1980s, it was the West Coast offense.

The first decade of the 21st century has become about the 3-4 defense.

In 2004, the San Diego Chargers became the fifth NFL team to convert from the traditional 4-3 defense to the 3-4. For the 2009 season, there will be 13 teams using the 3-4. That includes Arizona and San Francisco — both will use a 4- 3/3-4 hybrid. And the growing list of trend followers includes the Broncos, who — based on the players they will pursue in free agency and evaluate in the draft — are about to make a full conversion to the 3-4.

Why in the name of the Fearsome Foursome and Purple People Eaters are so many teams essentially moving their four-man set from the front line to just behind the line?

"You don't win by saying this is what we do and not changing," new Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels said. "Because if you don't change in this league, somebody will figure out a way to beat you."

If the difference between the 3-4 and 4-3 were limited to a sequence of numbers, nearly every team would change its defense from week to week. But only the Broncos made the odd decision to convert their defense in midseason last year.

After 14 years of building a roster for a 4-3 defense, the Broncos' in-season foray to the 3-4 failed miserably. The Broncos surrendered 448 points in 2008, the second-highest total in the franchise's 49-year history.

There were many reasons the Broncos failed to make the playoffs last season. Overlooked was their insistence of trying to force round pegs into square holes.

"All your defensive line and all your linebackers are different," said Kevin Colbert, who built the 3-4 defensive roster for the Super Bowl-champion Pittsburgh Steelers. "And your secondary, to a certain extent because of what goes on up front, they have to play a little bit differently as well. But it's mainly those front seven guys.

They will have different roles for sure."
This is the greatest challenge in converting from a 4-3 defense to a 3-4. The requisite characteristics of those front seven players differ dramatically. For the Broncos, Elvis Dumervil and Jarvis Moss were considered prototype pass-rushing defensive ends in the 4-3. In the 3-4, they will have to learn how to play outside linebacker, whose standard assignment is to stand up and drop into coverage on first and second downs, and drop into a three-point stance and rush the passer on third down.

Making pieces fit

The greatest adjustments are at defensive end, defensive tackle and outside linebacker. In fact, the 3-4 has increased the number of defensive positions from 11 to 14. Added are the nose tackle, the outside linebacker/defensive end hybrid and the five-technique defensive end.

The need for a 3-4 nose tackle is expected to stimulate the free-agent market for the likes of Atlanta's Grady Jackson, who recently turned 36, and Green Bay's Colin Cole and New England's Mike Wright, who are considered backups.

It's also why Boston College nose tackle B.J. Raji could be propelled to a top-five overall draft pick and Mississippi's Peria Jerry may not fall past the first round.

"B.J. Raji is a good start for them, Day One," draft analyst Mike Mayock said when asked about the Broncos' wish list with their No. 12 overall pick.

More than at any other time, this year's scouting combine has its own "Shawne Merriman-James Harrison" category. The top hybrid prospects this year are Aaron Curry, Aaron Maybin, Brian Orakpo, Everette Brown, Larry English and Brian Cushing. All are projected as first-round picks, in part because of the increased demand for their position created by the increased number of teams using the 3-4.

It's one thing for the Broncos and Kansas City Chiefs to convert because their new football bosses, McDaniels and general manager Scott Pioli, respectively, came from New England's 3-4 system. The surprise is the Green Bay Packers, who went 13-3 and reached overtime of the NFC championship game just a year ago. In an industry in which head coaches must win today, tomorrow and next week, wasn't Packers coach Mike McCarthy apprehensive about abruptly demolishing and reconstructing his defense four years into his reign?

"It was a scheme that I've always felt challenged competing against from an offensive perspective," said McCarthy, an offensive-oriented coach who hired 3-4 guru Dom Capers to become his new defensive coordinator. "I think it not only helps our defense, it helps our football teams as far as our special teams because there's more linebacker body types on our roster. It's a philosophical change that I strongly believe in."

Linebackers get a boost

In theory and practice, backup linebackers are to special teams what receivers are to the passing game. The Broncos' best special-teams players last year were rookie linebackers Spencer Larsen and Wesley Woodyard.

Among all current Broncos linebackers, Larsen may benefit the most by the 3-4 conversion. A ferocious hitter, Larsen doesn't quite have the range to play every down as a 4-3 middle 'backer. But with the extra linebacker help in the 3-4, he can narrow his task to unloading on the running game.

"It just gives some more balanced rushes," McDaniels said. "You never feel like you're out of whack in terms of the rotation. There are as many guys on this side as there are on that side, and it gives you more flexibility. The challenge is finding the players that fit really well in it, and that's what we're after. That will be ongoing from this point forward."

Mike Klis: 303-954-1055 or mklis@denverpost.com

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02-23-2009, 11:35 AM
Good post, TX. I read it yesterday and pondered how it is viewed as so novel
today.

Those of us who have been around for most or all of the Broncos' existence
are well acquainted with the 3-4 concept. It served the Broncos well during
its tenure. I hope it can do the same today, although when you go down the
roster of the 3-4 of yore, you see a whole lot of quality players.

And that is one thing some of us "old-timers" can see, regarding the various
schemes that have been implemented: their successes were because of the
rosters more than the schemes.

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TXBRONC
02-23-2009, 11:48 AM
Good post, TX. I read it yesterday and pondered how it is viewed as so novel
today.

Those of us who have been around for most or all of the Broncos' existence
are well acquainted with the 3-4 concept. It served the Broncos well during
its tenure. I hope it can do the same today, although when you go down the
roster of the 3-4 of yore, you see a whole lot of quality players.

And that is one thing some of us "old-timers" can see, regarding the various
schemes that have been implemented: their successes were because of the
rosters more than the schemes.

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I think with the way offense are now built the 3-4 defense is the way to go.

G_Money
02-23-2009, 12:12 PM
Having a good schemer is important, but the type of scheme is less so. Unless I've lost my mind the Giants defeated the undefeatable Patriots just 13 months ago in a pretty big game with a 4-man front.

The 3-4 is no panacea. You have to have the right players to play it well - just as you need the right players for a 4-3. It's a little easier to find acceptable players in a 4-3, but neither scheme is inherently better. Both just approach the same problem in different ways: how do you destroy what the OL is attempting to do up front, stuff the run and pressure the QB into doing stupid things?

I don't care which approach we take. I only care that we get the right personnel to do it, and have a better plan of execution than we've had the last 2 years.

~G

TXBRONC
02-23-2009, 12:19 PM
Having a good schemer is important, but the type of scheme is less so. Unless I've lost my mind the Giants defeated the undefeatable Patriots just 13 months ago in a pretty big game with a 4-man front.

The 3-4 is no panacea. You have to have the right players to play it well - just as you need the right players for a 4-3. It's a little easier to find acceptable players in a 4-3, but neither scheme is inherently better. Both just approach the same problem in different ways: how do you destroy what the OL is attempting to do up front, stuff the run and pressure the QB into doing stupid things?

I don't care which approach we take. I only care that we get the right personnel to do it, and have a better plan of execution than we've had the last 2 years.

~G

Agreed ultimately it comes down to the talent you put on the field. However, there are things about the 3-4 that I like better than the 4-3.

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02-23-2009, 12:30 PM
Agreed ultimately it comes down to the talent you put on the field. However, there are things about the 3-4 that I like better than the 4-3.

Understood. I like a lot of things about the 3-4, too.

However, the four most effective defenses come down pretty much to the
Steelers, Ravens, Giants, and Panthers: two 3-4 and two 4-3. That pretty
much indicates that the more important elements are the roster and who is
coaching them, it would seem.

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TXBRONC
02-23-2009, 12:54 PM
Understood. I like a lot of things about the 3-4, too.

However, the four most effective defenses come down pretty much to the
Steelers, Ravens, Giants, and Panthers: two 3-4 and two 4-3. That pretty
much indicates that the more important elements are the roster and who is
coaching them, it would seem.

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Well said brother of a different mother. :salute:

Superchop 7
02-23-2009, 11:20 PM
I had no idea that Jim Johnson had cancer....

That being said....

He is the best defensive mind in the nfl......

Just sayin.

Joe Collier.....

A close 2nd.

Give them their due.