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underrated29
02-18-2009, 05:01 PM
DE-moss,doom,crowder---we cut neezer,engleberger,
DT-powell,peterson?------we cut drob, peterson is he still here?,shaw,mallard
LB-dj,boss,larsen,woody--we cut nate,winborn
CB-champ,bell,JMFW,paym--we cut dre
S-barrett-----------------We cut everyone else i think


So looking at this, we need approx 1 quality starter at all the positions except maybe CB.

Other positions like DT/DE need a whole hell of a lot of people- for depth, rotation and well face it powell hasnt ever played yet and peterson is just good.

IF we move moss and doom to LB- and they shine- which could be great then we also need more DE's.

If we done move moss and Doom to LB- then all the guys we have beside larsen are smaller and/or unhealthy and as they say in ebonics-we be F'd.

Saftey was piss poor in the first place and as good as barrett can be he is still raw and needs lots of time to grow.

By this count we need atleast a minimum of 6 new players on defense- for starting and depth. We have 9 picks in the draft, and obviously not all are going to be starting material- weather they do or not due to our lack of talent.


So we have to be going big in FA and trading back in the first or something. i dont see anyway around it...

But do we have any other players that i missed that are currently on the roster???

I sure hope the boys know what they are doing. I am sure they do, but thats a lot of players to fill in one offseason. And by filling those gaps it will only bring us back to where we were last year which is still crappy.

Ziggy
02-18-2009, 05:48 PM
Paymah and Peterson are not on the team, they are UFA's.

broncofaninfla
02-18-2009, 05:52 PM
Good thread topic, going to be a interesting offseason to say the least!

Grover
02-18-2009, 05:53 PM
I scoured around Dove Valley and found the only people left with field experience.

http://web1.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Cheerleaders/2008/09_poster_large.jpg

EastCoastBronco
02-18-2009, 05:53 PM
We could lose another 3 or 4 and we would still have a better defence than we fielded last year...;-)

Cugel
02-18-2009, 08:09 PM
Start with Champ Bailey and DJ Williams. Those two are the only Broncos defensive players who would start for any other NFL team. Right now the entire rest of the defensive roster is full of mediocre players to stiffs.

1. With Robertson gone, the only DT starter is Marcus Thomas. He's not going to be able to play NT, he's not that strong at the point of attack and can't consistently take on and handle double-teams.

He could be moved out to DE where he'd have the size and speed to be a strong LDE in a 3-4.

Alternatively, they could try him at NT, but I think the results would be VERY UGLY. :coffee:

2. Wesley Woodyard. He was a nice surprise at LB. They could move him inside to play ILB or they could draft someone like Rey Maulugua to play LILB opposite DJ. It would be dangerous to rely on Woodyard to be a starter, but he could be a good backup.

3. Josh Barrett, S. He was another nice surprise, but again it would be hazardous to rely on him as a starting safety. Most likely they can use him as a backup and Nickel back.

4. Dumervil. He's too small to play DE and will be tried out at OLB where his pass-rush skills would be useful. However, he's going to have to learn to back-pedal and turn and run in coverage much better.

5. Jarvis Moss. Same thing. He's too light to play DE in a 3-4. His coverage skills need work. If he's simply going to back up Dumervil he's not much use considering his salary.

6. Tim Crowder is 6'4" 275 (officially) so he could possibly have the bulk to play DE in a 3-4. But he was not considered good enough to play at all by Shanahan in a 4-3 which normally doesn't require the DEs to take on constant double-teams, so it's doubtful he could be a starter. Most likely he's useless and will hit the rubbish heap along with all the other Broncos stiffs.

That means the Broncos need:

1. ONE or possibly TWO starting DEs.

2. TWO NTs, one starting, one backup. The backup could come via the draft.

3. ONE or TWO starting LBs. If neither Doom nor Moss can start at OLB, then the Broncos probably need THREE starting LBs, TWO if Woodyard starts at ILB or they draft Maualugua.

4. TWO starting Safeties unless possibly Barrett starts.

5. ONE starting and ONE nickel CB.

TOTAL: 8 starters, possibly NINE new starters. They might find ONE or possibly TWO via the draft. That leaves 7 or 8 VIA FA.

That won't be easy. :tsk:

SmilinAssasSin27
02-18-2009, 08:13 PM
29, You left off Marcus Thomas at DT/DE.

NameUsedBefore
02-18-2009, 08:19 PM
I still think Moss/Doom will be outta here before the draft ends.

SmilinAssasSin27
02-18-2009, 08:23 PM
If Moss and Doom stay, I don't see em evn sniffing the dline in a 3-4 set. As I see it, the starting lineup, currently on the roster, in a 3-4 would currently be:

DE...Cowder and Thomas
NT...Powell
OLB..Moss and Doom (Boss SUX out loud)
ILB...Larsen and DJ
CB...Champ and JMFW
S....Barrett and Woodyard

Actually a decent amount of potential and oddly enough I have more faith in this lienup than I did in last year's mess. Take that for what you will. It's not as much praise for them as it is a blast on the 08 version.

Cugel
02-18-2009, 09:27 PM
If Moss and Doom stay, I don't see em evn sniffing the dline in a 3-4 set. As I see it, the starting lineup, currently on the roster, in a 3-4 would currently be:

DE...Cowder and Thomas
NT...Powell
OLB..Moss and Doom (Boss SUX out loud)
ILB...Larsen and DJ
CB...Champ and JMFW
S....Barrett and Woodyard

Actually a decent amount of potential and oddly enough I have more faith in this lienup than I did in last year's mess. Take that for what you will. It's not as much praise for them as it is a blast on the 08 version.
You certainly can't pencil Powell in as a starting NT. He's never even started in the NFL at all, at any position and was on IR last year!

He's a long-shot to even make the team.

The Broncos have NO ONE on the current roster who can play NT.

And, we're not talking about BACKUPS! Spencer Larsen will be a decent backup LB but you can't have him starting for instance.

We don't know that either Dumervil OR Moss can play OLB. We can only HOPE they do because if not, then the Broncos need at least 9 new starters and several backups as well, say 12-15 new players on defense.

That's REALLY a lot. I don't see how they can find that many, even including the draft. :coffee:

SmilinAssasSin27
02-18-2009, 10:07 PM
Given the current roster, I think it's fairly safe to say that Powell would be the best option. Regardless of whether or not he's a sure thing or even if we hve ANYONE who can play NT, ya don't play w/ 10 guys. So I'll stick w/ Powell as the most likely candidate until we sign/draft one.


As far as the LBs go, again, it's based on our current lot.

weazel
02-18-2009, 10:50 PM
like I said in the Bly thread, its all well and good to dump shitty players, but you still have to dress someone and there is no way youre going to fill all those spots with quality players. You might as well keep the shitty players you have and not get killed in cap hits.

MOtorboat
02-18-2009, 10:53 PM
We will have eight new starters on opening day. (From game 16)

NT, DE, DE, OLB, OLB, ILB, CB, S, S

SmilinAssasSin27
02-19-2009, 12:46 AM
And I couldn't be more excited if I'm being honest.

gregbroncs
02-19-2009, 12:55 AM
With defense the Broncos had last year they need 10-12 new players on that side of the ball. Might as well get rid of the trash and try and replace them than hold on to the trash and suck again this year with no progress being made.

I am glad to see that the offense has not been touched very much and that they are concentrating on the biggest problems from last years team first.

Fan in Exile
02-19-2009, 08:26 AM
We will have eight new starters on opening day. (From game 16)

NT, DE, DE, OLB, OLB, ILB, CB, S, S

You listed 9 positions there. I however think that there will be 8 new starters with Barret, DJ, and Champ as the hold overs. Possibly 7 if Thomas makes it as a DE.

MOtorboat
02-19-2009, 08:29 AM
You listed 9 positions there. I however think that there will be 8 new starters with Barret, DJ, and Champ as the hold overs. Possibly 7 if Thomas makes it as a DE.

You're right, I do suck at counting. :D

That's why I was an English major in college. But, yes, I could see all those nine positions having new starters. A lot of it has to do with the switch to a 3-4 base, which automatically makes at least two new starters at nose tackle and OLB...with Bly gone and Engelberger gone, there's at least two more. Winborn started at outside linebacker most of the season, and Webster will be gone, so there's two more, so we're already up to six.

MHCBill
02-19-2009, 09:43 AM
We will have eight new starters on opening day. (From game 16)

NT, DE, DE, OLB, OLB, ILB, CB, S, SAfter saluting you I realized this is 9, not 8. LOL

Fan in Exile
02-19-2009, 10:02 AM
You're right, I do suck at counting. :D

That's why I was an English major in college. But, yes, I could see all those nine positions having new starters. A lot of it has to do with the switch to a 3-4 base, which automatically makes at least two new starters at nose tackle and OLB...with Bly gone and Engelberger gone, there's at least two more. Winborn started at outside linebacker most of the season, and Webster will be gone, so there's two more, so we're already up to six.

I could see as many as nine new starters as well. I'm hoping for seven because I'm pulling for Thomas and Barret, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see nine.

MOtorboat
02-19-2009, 10:06 AM
I could see as many as nine new starters as well. I'm hoping for seven because I'm pulling for Thomas and Barret, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see nine.

I guess I'm counting Thomas as a new starter, because he'll be in a new position, but that's kind of splitting hairs on my part.

TXBRONC
02-19-2009, 10:16 AM
I guess I'm counting Thomas as a new starter, because he'll be in a new position, but that's kind of splitting hairs on my part.

As an English major in college didn't you have to take courses in hair splitting? :D

broncosinindy
02-19-2009, 10:43 AM
You certainly can't pencil Powell in as a starting NT. He's never even started in the NFL at all, at any position and was on IR last year!

He's a long-shot to even make the team.

The Broncos have NO ONE on the current roster who can play NT.

And, we're not talking about BACKUPS! Spencer Larsen will be a decent backup LB but you can't have him starting for instance.

We don't know that either Dumervil OR Moss can play OLB. We can only HOPE they do because if not, then the Broncos need at least 9 new starters and several backups as well, say 12-15 new players on defense.

That's REALLY a lot. I don't see how they can find that many, even including the draft. :coffee:I think last year Larsen showed how versitile he was. He played fairly well on D when he was used in a system he to which is not his strength. i think he could very well be a starter.

TXBRONC
02-19-2009, 11:21 AM
I think last year Larsen showed how versitile he was. He played fairly well on D when he was used in a system he to which is not his strength. i think he could very well be a starter.

If Raji somehow falls into our lap at 12 or falls far enough in the top ten for us to get him I could see Larsen getting the opportunity to compete for a starting position.

Cugel mentioned Powell maybe getting cut which is true, but he's survived the purging of the roster to this point. It would not surprise me if Xanders, McDaniel, and Nolan want to try him out as defensive end in a 3-4 alignment.

MOtorboat
02-19-2009, 11:38 AM
From Game 16
DE - Ebenezer Ekuban (6-4, 275, would he start at DE in 3-4?)
LT - DeWayne Robertson (gone)
RT - Marcus Thomas (possibly moving to DE)
RE - Elvis Dumervil (won't start at DE in 3-4, situational pass rusher in 3-4?)
WLB - D.J. Williams (moving inside, presumably)
MLB - Nate Webster (FA - possibly resigned per Denver Post article...)
SLB - Jamie Winborn (gone)
CB - Champ Bailey
CB - Dre Bly (gone)
SS - Vernon Fox (not really starting material)
FS - Josh Barrett (we'll see)

underrated29
02-19-2009, 11:59 AM
From Game 16
DE - Ebenezer Ekuban GONE!
LT - DeWayne Robertson GONE!
RT - Marcus Thomas (possibly moving to DE)
RE - Elvis Dumervil (won't start at DE in 3-4, situational pass rusher in 3-4?)
WLB - D.J. Williams (moving inside, presumably)
MLB - Nate Webster GONE!
SLB - Jamie Winborn GONE!
CB - Champ Bailey
CB - Dre Bly GONE!
SS - Vernon Fox GONE! or sucks so bad
FS - Josh Barrett (we'll see)



Thats 5 starters right there, and 6 if you count fox. Plus the unknowns of DOom and Moss. PLus us needing backups at DE and DT.

MOtorboat
02-19-2009, 12:14 PM
Thats 5 starters right there, and 6 if you count fox. Plus the unknowns of DOom and Moss. PLus us needing backups at DE and DT.

I forgot Ekuban was UFA

pnbronco
02-19-2009, 02:37 PM
I forgot Ekuban was UFA

Thanks I was just going to ask that because I didn't remember hearing his name on the cuts. Thanks MB..

TXBRONC
02-19-2009, 02:59 PM
Thanks I was just going to ask that because I didn't remember hearing his name on the cuts. Thanks MB..

We have something like 11 players that could leave because they are UFAs.

underrated29
02-19-2009, 03:14 PM
We have something like 11 players that could leave because they are UFAs.



The sad thing is that they all suck so much that no other teams are interested in them...:laugh: unfortunately.


:tsk::tsk:

MOtorboat
02-19-2009, 04:26 PM
Food for thought:

ESPN's list of Free Agents (note that Dre Bly had not been added as of about 10 this morning):


159 Marlon McCree FS UFA 5-11 204 8 Broncos 61
164 Erik Pears OT RFA 6-8 305 3 Broncos 61
165 Michael Pittman RB UFA 6-0 225 11 Broncos 61
169 Nate Webster LB UFA 6-0 232 9 Broncos 61
182 Jamie Winborn LB Rel 5-11 230 8 Broncos 60
194 E. Ekuban DE UFA 6-4 275 10 Broncos 59
202 Darrell Jackson WR UFA 5-11 210 9 Broncos 59
248 D. Robertson DT Rel 6-1 308 6 Broncos 58
319 Patrick Ramsey QB UFA 6-2 225 7 Broncos 55
328 J. Engelberger DE Rel 6-4 260 9 Broncos 54
358 N. Koutouvides LB Rel 6-2 238 5 Broncos 53
382 Josh Shaw DT Rel 6-3 305 4 Broncos 52
383 Edell Shepherd WR UFA 6-1 175 5 Broncos 52
415 Nate Jackson TE Rel 6-3 235 6 Broncos 49
417 Chad Mustard TE Rel 6-6 277 5 Broncos 49
419 Karl Paymah DB UFA 6-0 195 4 Broncos 49
420 Kenny Peterson DT UFA 6-3 300 6 Broncos 49
439 Cliff Russell WR Rel 5-11 190 6 Broncos 48

Grading Scale (Which is the final number in the above chart)

90-100: Elite Player
Player demonstrates rare abilities and can create mismatches that have an obvious impact on the game. ... Premier NFL player who has all the skills to consistently play at a championship level. ... Rates as one of the top players at his position in the league.

80-89: Outstanding Player
Player has abilities to create mismatches versus most opponents in the NFL. ... A feature player who has an impact on the outcome of the game. ... Cannot be shut down by a single player and plays on a consistent level week in and week out.

70-79: Good Starter
Solid starter who is close to being an outstanding player. ... Has few weaknesses and usually will win his individual matchup but does not dominate in every game, especially when matched up against the top players in the league.

60-69: Average Starter
A valuable roster player but not a dominant player against the better players he faces on a weekly basis. ... Gives great effort and teams are glad to have him, but he may or may not go to the next level.

50-59: Good Backup
This is a player who is really on the bubble and only starts because of a deficiency at the position. ... He lacks complete overall skills, and although he will battle, he will hinder his team's ability to play at a championship level if he is forced to be in the starting lineup consistently over a 16-game season. Teams don't mind having him on the roster but are always looking to upgrade.

40-49: Below Average Backup/Core Special Teamers
Strictly a backup player who is not capable of starting. If forced to, he is only a short-term fix. ... He might make the roster because of special-teams contributions or experience. ... He is the type of player teams consistently look to replace with an upgrade. ... He always will be a borderline roster player.

Five of those were listed as in the 60s, therefore an average starter, but they were at the bottom end of that spectrum. There are 18 Broncos on that list. 11 of them started at least a game for us last season. Just puts it into perspective how little talent we had, especially on defense.

honz
02-19-2009, 04:38 PM
You know you aren't losing anyone special when Marlon McCree is your highest rated FA.

TXBRONC
02-19-2009, 04:39 PM
The sad thing is that they all suck so much that no other teams are interested in them...:laugh: unfortunately.


:tsk::tsk:

I have to make a small correction. We have 10 players who are free agents but that RFAs and UFAs combined.

eessydo
02-20-2009, 08:59 AM
I think they try to move Moss to LB, as a standup rusher peterson goes to LDT (or DE).

If the experiment goes south, they move them or cut them next year. I am just not sure Moss can work in coverage and might just become a 3rd down rush specialist along with Dumervil.

Peterson in a two gap system is another risk, but again, they can move him or cut him.

Cugel
02-20-2009, 11:34 AM
I think they try to move Moss to LB, as a standup rusher peterson goes to LDT (or DE).

If the experiment goes south, they move them or cut them next year. I am just not sure Moss can work in coverage and might just become a 3rd down rush specialist along with Dumervil.

Peterson in a two gap system is another risk, but again, they can move him or cut him.

Crowder may be tried out as a 3-4 DE. I have NO idea how he'd do in a different system with different coaches. I DO know that he'll have to do WORLDS better or he's going to be cut. There's no point keeping him on the roster if he's going to be a game day inactive player.

Peterson is a FA, eh? Well, they could sign him if they wanted to. It's not as if teams will line up to grab him. They probably DON'T want him. Could be he'll be competing with Tatum Bell for that phone kiosk job. :coffee:

Even if Dumervil & Moss can handle one OLB job, the Broncos still need at least ONE LOLB starter, and possibly a LILB starter too, unless they use Woodyard or Bailey at that spot. In either case, they will try and upgrade that position.

NT. Those who think Powell is the starting NT have been taking too many magic mushrooms! :laugh: He's NEVER started a GAME in the NFL. IN fact the only reason why fans are able to fantasize about him is that he's totally UNKNOWN having sat out the season on IR! That's NOT a great start to an NFL career.

Until proven otherwise I'm going to assume this was just another wasted Shanahan reach, and that Powell will have about as much impact on the Broncos as the all-time great you've all hear so much about: Paul Tovieisi. :tsk:

Requiem / The Dagda
02-20-2009, 11:49 AM
A Toviesi / Powell comparison. That is a first. Not even comparable. Good grief.

underrated29
03-03-2009, 06:54 PM
ok so is this where we are at now??

Defense:

S-dawkings,renaldo; barrett,?
cb-champ, goodman; bell,jmfw
LB-davis,dj,boss,larsen?; doom,moss,WW
DT-powell?,peterson,fields;reid?????????
DE-thomas,?????????

Am i forgetting anyone on defense?


Offense:

qb- Jay;???-never thought id have to list starter here.
RB-buck,torain,young,hillis?
FB-hillis,larsen?
OL-set--oh cant forget LONNIE the Long Snapper....
WR- brandon, royal,gaffney,stokes, Cjax,anderson
TE-graham, scheff

Did i miss anyone here???

If I got that right, we still have a HUGE NEED at DT,DE and LB IMO.

As much as i want to see us take REY- I dont know how we can afford to. We MUST get some DE and DT in here ASAP.

To me that means trading down or going DE in #1, as LB has great depth in this draft.

Orange Crusher
03-03-2009, 07:14 PM
ok so is this where we are at now??

Defense:

S-dawkings,renaldo; barrett,?
cb-champ, goodman; bell,jmfw
LB-davis,dj,boss,larsen?; doom,moss
DT-powell?,peterson,fields;reid?????????
DE-thomas,?????????

Am i forgetting anyone on defense?

Wesley Woodyard

Ziggy
03-03-2009, 07:25 PM
Peterson isn't on the team. I'm hoping that they re-sign him though, I think his size and versatility would fit well in a hybrid type scheme.

Lonestar
03-03-2009, 07:27 PM
Peterson isn't on the team. I'm hoping that they re-sign him though, I think his size and versatility would fit well in a hybrid type scheme.

well until we have someone better he would be a good addition.. I'm guessing that many of our UFA will still be around for awhile.. Save perhaps Leach..

Most of the defense was a joke to start with..

topscribe
03-03-2009, 08:00 PM
well until we have someone better he would be a good addition.. I'm guessing that many of our UFA will still be around for awhile.. Save perhaps Leach..

Most of the defense was a joke to start with..

Understatement of the year . . .

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underrated29
03-03-2009, 08:01 PM
leach is already gone. He was a goner last week.

getlynched47
03-03-2009, 08:04 PM
DE- Marcus Thomas
DT- Ronald Fields (at least for now)
DE- Darrell Reid

SOLB- Elvis Dumervil/ Jarvis Moss
SILB- Spencer Larsen
WILB- Andra Davis
WOLB- DJ Williams

CB- Champ Bailey
FS- Brian Dawkins
SS- Renaldo Hill
CB- Andre Goodman

that's what it looks like so far :salute:

underrated29
03-03-2009, 08:06 PM
Man we need some help upfront. I want rey so bad too. Oh well,

cuzz4169
03-03-2009, 08:10 PM
ok so is this where we are at now??

Defense:

S-dawkings,renaldo; barrett,?
cb-champ, goodman; bell,jmfw
LB-davis,dj,boss,larsen?; doom,moss,WW
DT-powell?,peterson,fields;reid?????????
DE-thomas,?????????

Am i forgetting anyone on defense?

I believe Peterson & Reid will be moved to DE. Reid for sure he is a pretty athletic big man. I have watched some film on him he can move. I love Andra Davis I believe he will turn everyones head after the first couple of games....if healthy. I think keeping Boss was only for champ because he sucks and he is not a OLB in a 3-4 Def. Hes not a pass rusher hes a cover LB. This is the year for Moss to come into his own. The guy is super athletic he is a 3-4 OLB he has a great chance to be a stud.

One player I think we missed out on is Jabari Greer I live in Buffalo and I have watched most of the games and he was the best corner on the bills...plus hes young 27...But who am I just another weirdo fan lol

getlynched47
03-03-2009, 08:13 PM
DE- Marcus Thomas
DT- Ronald Fields (at least for now)
DE- Darrell Reid

SOLB- Elvis Dumervil/ Jarvis Moss
SILB- Spencer Larsen
WILB- Andra Davis
WOLB- DJ Williams

CB- Champ Bailey
FS- Brian Dawkins
SS- Renaldo Hill
CB- Andre Goodman

that's what it looks like so far :salute:


Man we need some help upfront. I want rey so bad too. Oh well,

Rey? Maualuga or Lewis? :lol:

I dont think we need either because Lewis' asking price is phenomenal considering his age.......and Maualuga has just hurt his draft stock since the senior bowl with poor performance and nagging injuries.

IMO, if Raji is gone at 12, I say we trade down and grab Ron Brace or James Laurinaitis.......I'm actually all right with Spencer Larsen as an Inner Linebacker...he could excel there.

Magnificent Seven
03-03-2009, 09:43 PM
Defensive Backs : Champ Bailey, Brian Dawkins, Renaldo Hill, and maybe Jack Williams?

Linebackers: DJ Williams, Andra Davis, Jarvis Moss , and maybe Rey Maualuga (if they draft him)

Defensive Linemen: Marcus Thomas, Darrell Reid, and maybe Tim Crowder?

oobehr
03-03-2009, 11:07 PM
Andre Goodman is a starter I would say, atleast unless they draft a corner in the first.

Magnificent Seven
03-04-2009, 12:01 AM
Andre Goodman is a starter I would say, atleast unless they draft a corner in the first.

I am not sure if they draft neither Baji nor Maualuga. McDaniels could surprise us on NFL Draft Weekend.

bullis26
03-04-2009, 12:15 AM
as of right now hopefully by the draft we will have drafted rey first, either fili or Brace i wouldnt mind shown greene either thouh not impressed with buckhalter or any of our other backs, but as of right now
DE Crowder, Peterson maybe Ried
NT - Powell
WLB - Doom, Moss(prolly will be traded to a 4-3 team would be great with the viks)
MLB - DJ, Larsen
SLB - Woodyard
CB - Champ
SS- Reynaldo Hill SLEEPER ALERT: Josh Barrett (hill is a FS)
FS- WEAPON X: BRIAN DAWKINS!
CB- Andre Goodman

cuzz4169
03-04-2009, 12:50 AM
Just looking at some of these starting lineups and thinking damn im glade some of you aint the coach

WARHORSE
03-04-2009, 01:18 AM
Reid I will be stood up at rush LBer at times imo. That guy can fly.
Hes also a special teams gunner. In fact, the special teams coverage unit is going to be ALOT better this year.

Reid is too small to play DE in the 3-4.

He will line up in the DT rotation when we are in a 4-3.

cuzz4169
03-04-2009, 01:16 PM
Reid is too small to play DE in the 3-4.

Man when did 288lbs become to small? lol hes bigger than crowder who some project to play DE IMO Reid is perfect for DE in 3-4 to small for DT in 3-4 or 4-3 remember he played DT for colts who use small DTs for pass rushing.

broncofaninfla
03-04-2009, 02:00 PM
With the signing of Andre Davis and already having Larsen on deck, we might have the freedom of leaving DJ on the outside now too. I think DJ's best contribution in the 3/4 is in the middle but I also feel he can contribute at the OLB spot as well.

Orange Crusher
03-04-2009, 02:15 PM
A lot of people seem to think Powell is a fit at NT. I just don't see that. I see him as a DE in the 3-4.

WARHORSE
03-04-2009, 02:41 PM
Man when did 288lbs become to small? lol hes bigger than crowder who some project to play DE IMO Reid is perfect for DE in 3-4 to small for DT in 3-4 or 4-3 remember he played DT for colts who use small DTs for pass rushing.

When the prototypical player they look for is 6'3" and above and 300lbs plus.

In listing him at DE in the 3-4, he will be a rush linebacker.

Playing the Ty Warren / Richard Seymour role of 3-4 DE or DT rather......he willl not hold up.

WARHORSE
03-04-2009, 02:46 PM
A lot of people seem to think Powell is a fit at NT. I just don't see that. I see him as a DE in the 3-4.


I definitely see him at NT.........but who knows. He hasnt gotten a chance yet. It would be awesome if he could start at either.

bullis26
03-04-2009, 06:06 PM
288 is a DE i meant to put fields in at NT no way powell is a NT or a LB he is a DE and reid is good on ST but that doesnt mean we make him a line backer he's a 3-4 end and a 4-3 tackle

SmilinAssasSin27
03-04-2009, 09:27 PM
As of RIGHT NOW, this is how I would try it out:

I don't think Hill is a lock to start.

NT-Fields
DE-Peterson, Thomas (Reid and Powell as backups)
OLB-DJ, Elvis (Moss, Boss and Woody as backups)
ILB-Davis, Larsen (depth clealry needed)
S-Dawkins, Barrett (Hill, rookie)
CB-Champ, Goodman (Jack, etc)

Given the holes, I try to draft:

Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
Everette Brown, OLB, FUS
Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois

Worrell Williams and/or Jasper Brinkley for ILB depth later on.