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broncosinindy
02-18-2009, 12:37 AM
Discuss.

broncosinindy
02-18-2009, 12:41 AM
I vote Waterboy

Endzo
02-18-2009, 12:47 AM
Boss would be my guess.. but I'm not sure on his contract status

BroncoTech
02-18-2009, 12:48 AM
Patrick Ramsey and the horse he rode in on.

ikillz0mbies
02-18-2009, 12:53 AM
Isn't Patrick Ramsey a FA? My guess for the "next big cut" would be Selvin Young. But I don't know if he's a FA or not.

sneakers
02-18-2009, 01:02 AM
Probably Chad Mustard again, he gets cut every week.

ikillz0mbies
02-18-2009, 01:02 AM
Mustard already got cut.

WARHORSE
02-18-2009, 01:05 AM
I was thinkin Boss too.

Daryl Jackson?

Chad Jackson?

One good thing is Daniel Graham knows the system.

Cheez Whiz
02-18-2009, 01:12 AM
Mustard already got cut.

Wow, that went right over your head.

BRONCOSFREAK765
02-18-2009, 01:29 AM
I was thinkin Boss too.

Daryl Jackson?

Chad Jackson?

One good thing is Daniel Graham knows the system.

Daryl Jackson is a FA...and perhaps Chad but he might remain with team through training camp only because he is familiar with McDaniels offense. Boss I hope we hold onto him through training camp.

Magnificent Seven
02-18-2009, 02:33 AM
Patrick Ramsey, Nate Webster, Jeb Putzier, Tatum Bell, and Andre Hall.

Simple Jaded
02-18-2009, 02:37 AM
Boss Bailey might be the one if the Broncos can release him without needing an injury settlement, I'm not sure how that works.

Imo, there are two possible reasons why Boss Bailey is still with the team: He's either being considered for their 09 plans or his release is being held up by contract/injury red-tape. Maybe he's a June 1st candidate but they more than enough cap space to absorb the cap hit.......

Magnificent Seven
02-18-2009, 02:46 AM
If they decided to cut Boss Bailey, then Champ Bailey would be bitching about that situation and he might want out, too. Therefore, I dont want that happen.

JKcatch724
02-18-2009, 04:06 AM
If they decided to cut Boss Bailey, then Champ Bailey would be bitching about that situation and he might want out, too. Therefore, I dont want that happen.

I'm sure Champ understands his brother is a hangnail away from IR every week.

dogfish
02-18-2009, 04:56 AM
"big" cuts? most likely won't be anymore IMO, unless boss bailey is considered a big cut. . . but a guy like selvin young is hardly a big cut-- UDFA salary and he only produced a few hundred yards last year. . . so far, robertson and bly are the only big cuts we've made as far as i'm concerned. . . special teamers, backups and benchwarmers don't count-- that's just clearing out dead weight. . .

i suppose mayyyybe i could see ben hamilton as a surprise cut if they're just absolutely dead-set on freeing up every possible dollar, but i really doubt it. . . aside from end-of-the-roster/warm body no-name types, i'm guessing that the vast majority of roster surgery has already been accomplished. . . . maybe they'll give somebody like torain the axe. . .

Dirk
02-18-2009, 07:22 AM
Not a big cut but I agree that Boss may be next. Even when he did play he is not that good.

If Champ gets all bent over it, then let him. He is a professional and I am sure he understands that the NFL works that way. :coffee:

spikerman
02-18-2009, 08:09 AM
Boss Bailey might be the one if the Broncos can release him without needing an injury settlement, I'm not sure how that works.

Imo, there are two possible reasons why Boss Bailey is still with the team: He's either being considered for their 09 plans or his release is being held up by contract/injury red-tape. Maybe he's a June 1st candidate but they more than enough cap space to absorb the cap hit....... I heard recently that since next year is an uncapped year there is no benefit to a June 1st cut since the cap implications can't be spread out beyond this year. Basically, there is no advantage to waiting until after June 1st this year so all bets are off.

broncofaninfla
02-18-2009, 08:41 AM
I say Boss is next. He was a scrub when he was healthy and his history shows he can't stay healthy. Can't count on him so cut him.
No matter what has been said publically I think Doom is trade bait and is on his way out of Denver too.

BRONCOSFREAK765
02-18-2009, 08:48 AM
I say Boss is next. He was a scrub when he was healthy and his history shows he can't stay healthy. Can't count on him so cut him.
No matter what has been said publically I think Doom is trade bait and is on his way out of Denver too.

Boss was a beast when healthy, we'll see by march 2nd when he is due 2M. I too think doom will be traded..at best he becomes a 3rd down pass rush specialist, where he would probably excel.

broncofaninfla
02-18-2009, 08:49 AM
Boss was a beast when healthy, we'll see by march 2nd when he is due 2M. I too think doom will be traded..at best he becomes a 3rd down pass rush specialist, where he would probably excel.

A beast? Are you talking about his time at Detroit?

LRtagger
02-18-2009, 09:02 AM
I wouldnt be surprised to see Young and Hall cut, but see Boyd and Pope stay through camp...but since we still have Turner as RB coach, it's unlikely those cuts take place so soon...especially since McD seems keen on keeping the ZBS and running style.

BRONCOSFREAK765
02-18-2009, 09:09 AM
A beast? Are you talking about his time at Detroit?

wk 2- 6 tackles, 5 solo
wk 3- 9 tackles, 5 solo
wk 4- 8 tackles, 8 solo
wk 5- 10 tackles, 9 solo
wk 6- 7 tackles, 4 solo

pretty good production, 40 tackles and a FF in 7 games...i would call that beast

LRtagger
02-18-2009, 09:26 AM
Nate Webster had a lot of tackles too

TXBRONC
02-18-2009, 09:40 AM
I was thinkin Boss too.

Daryl Jackson?

Chad Jackson?

One good thing is Daniel Graham knows the system.

To cut Boss the Broncos would have to come up with an acceptable injury settlement. I'm not saying that wont happen, it just might.

I also would not be surprised if both Darrell and Chad were cut.

However like Graham, Chad does know the system. If I'm not mistaken the reason he was let go from New England was that he couldn't stay healthy.

broncofaninfla
02-18-2009, 09:41 AM
wk 2- 6 tackles, 5 solo
wk 3- 9 tackles, 5 solo
wk 4- 8 tackles, 8 solo
wk 5- 10 tackles, 9 solo
wk 6- 7 tackles, 4 solo

pretty good production, 40 tackles and a FF in 7 games...i would call that beast

On paper that looks good, problem is he was chasing his guy 10 yards down the field when he made the tackles. IMO Boss played so bad Champ should get a DNA test done to see if they were from the same blood. I had high hopes when we signed him and found myself focusing on him at the beginning of the season. The more I saw, the more I didn't like. Everything was in place for me to like him, Champs brother, he was new and had a reputation of shutting down TE's but he seemed slow and lathargic and was hurt yet again. Winborn came in and played better IMO.

TXBRONC
02-18-2009, 09:41 AM
I wouldnt be surprised to see Young and Hall cut, but see Boyd and Pope stay through camp...but since we still have Turner as RB coach, it's unlikely those cuts take place so soon...especially since McD seems keen on keeping the ZBS and running style.

I thought Pope had already been cut? :confused:

LRtagger
02-18-2009, 09:48 AM
I thought Pope had already been cut? :confused:

Oh maybe he has...i missed it I guess.

TXBRONC
02-18-2009, 09:57 AM
Oh maybe he has...i missed it I guess.

It wouldn't be hard to miss it because if I'm mistaken Xanders and McDaniel have cut somewhere in the neighborhood 12 players.

spikerman
02-18-2009, 10:58 AM
Damn, at this rate they're going to start cutting season ticket holders for not being loud enough.

TXBRONC
02-18-2009, 11:05 AM
Damn, at this rate they're going to start cutting season ticket holders for not being loud enough.

We didn't have a lot to cheer about by the end of the season. :lol:

spikerman
02-18-2009, 11:15 AM
We didn't a lot to cheer about by the end of the season. :lol:
QFT! :salute:

Buff
02-18-2009, 11:26 AM
I remember Jim Armstrong saying a few weeks back on 104.3 the fan that he had it on good word that Matt Prater would not return in 2009. I wouldn't mind him handling kickoffs if we couldn't find a kicker that could handle both duties, but it wouldn't shock me if we let him go... Not exactly a "big" cut, but he did start all 16 games last year.

BroncoJoe
02-18-2009, 11:52 AM
I remember Jim Armstrong saying a few weeks back on 104.3 the fan that he had it on good word that Matt Prater would not return in 2009. I wouldn't mind him handling kickoffs if we couldn't find a kicker that could handle both duties, but it wouldn't shock me if we let him go... Not exactly a "big" cut, but he did start all 16 games last year.

Eh - even his kickoffs toward the end of the season weren't getting into the endzone.

TXBRONC
02-18-2009, 11:52 AM
I remember Jim Armstrong saying a few weeks back on 104.3 the fan that he had it on good word that Matt Prater would not return in 2009. I wouldn't mind him handling kickoffs if we couldn't find a kicker that could handle both duties, but it wouldn't shock me if we let him go... Not exactly a "big" cut, but he did start all 16 games last year.

Kickers are a dime a dozen. I could still see McDaniel keeping him and letting him fight it out with another kicker in camp and pre-season.

TXBRONC
02-18-2009, 11:53 AM
Eh - even his kickoffs toward the end of the season weren't getting into the endzone.

That was mostly on the road IIRC.

broncos9697
02-18-2009, 01:08 PM
Discuss.

I would say ''torrian''

Lonestar
02-18-2009, 01:22 PM
Patrick Ramsey and the horse he rode in on.

he is FA so therefore can't be cut just not resigned..

Dreadnought
02-18-2009, 01:30 PM
We may not really see many more. The worst of the dead wood is gone, and there is only s much of a roster you can turn over in one year. Boss could go, but who do we replace him with? We've got and created plenty of holes to fill already

GEM
02-18-2009, 01:40 PM
Damn, at this rate they're going to start cutting season ticket holders for not being loud enough.

I wish they'd cut the ones that spend the game in the bar on the Club level. :coffee:

Lonestar
02-18-2009, 01:44 PM
We may not really see many more. The worst of the dead wood is gone, and there is only s much of a roster you can turn over in one year. Boss could go, but who do we replace him with? We've got and created plenty of holes to fill already

remember he has bad knees and IIRC had micro fracture surgery which is not always successful..

I suspect with the roster bonus 2mil IIRC due on 02MAR he is next to be gone..

Thnikkaman
02-18-2009, 01:44 PM
Prater?

pnbronco
02-18-2009, 01:44 PM
I wish they'd cut the ones that spend the game in the bar on the Club level. :coffee:

Now that I agree with. I also think should cut the ones that only buy Season Tickets so they can sell them for a profit and then "real" fans can't get them at face value.

topscribe
02-18-2009, 01:46 PM
I said they weren't going to cut Nate Jackson because he is the quality depth to the TE position.

Then I said Bly isn't going anywhere because that would deplete a good CB corps.

Therefore, I'm keeping my mouth shut. I've had enough of making an ass of myself. :tsk:

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GEM
02-18-2009, 01:51 PM
I said they weren't going to cut Nate Jackson because he is the quality depth to the TE position.

Then I said Bly isn't going anywhere because that would deplete a good CB corps.

Therefore, I'm keeping my mouth shut. I've had enough of making an ass of myself. :tsk:

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Topper, do me a favor please.

I know they really don't need to cut Webster, but I want to hear the words, that worthless sob is gone. Please say that they are not going to make that announcement.

TIA. :D

topscribe
02-18-2009, 02:12 PM
Topper, do me a favor please.

I know they really don't need to cut Webster, but I want to hear the words, that worthless sob is gone. Please say that they are not going to make that announcement.

TIA. :D

Webster is a lock to stay with the squad. He will be our starter for the next five years.

There . . . that should guarantee his departure. :D

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TXBRONC
02-18-2009, 02:26 PM
I said they weren't going to cut Nate Jackson because he is the quality depth to the TE position.

Then I said Bly isn't going anywhere because that would deplete a good CB corps.

Therefore, I'm keeping my mouth shut. I've had enough of making an ass of myself. :tsk:

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If I'm not mistaken you're not the only one that said that Bly was not going to be cut.

underrated29
02-18-2009, 02:39 PM
I said bly would not get cut. I thought he would restructure or be traded.....As for nate- i liked him....

Great minds think alike TOP. Although i suppose that it appears not so great minds think alike.

Fan in Exile
02-18-2009, 02:56 PM
I said bly would not get cut. I thought he would restructure or be traded.....As for nate- i liked him....

Great minds think alike TOP. Although i suppose that it appears not so great minds think alike.

Don't take this personally but I'm hoping you and Top don't have the great minds. But only because I want them to be the ones in the FO. :biggrin:

Nature Boy
02-18-2009, 03:26 PM
We are talking about big cut right? Champ? I hope not.

underrated29
02-18-2009, 04:44 PM
We are talking about big cut right? Champ? I hope not.



Blasphomy!!!


How dare you utter such things.....I think champ, jay,eddie, brandon, clady are all gurantees to never be cut from us.

Not saying that you were saying champ would be cut, just saying that those are the few that i think wouldnt.

Lonestar
02-18-2009, 04:53 PM
Blasphomy!!!


How dare you utter such things.....I think champ, jay,eddie, brandon, clady are all gurantees to never be cut from us.

Not saying that you were saying champ would be cut, just saying that those are the few that i think wouldnt.

I think the offense NOT counting RBs is pretty safe for now.. Leach is a keeper as the kickers will be FOR now.. they are not going to cut them because they are cheap and will provide competition for who ever they bring in..


Champ and DJ are solid on D as are most of the DL, woodyard and Safeties from 07-08 they have potential and need to be looked at before they at cut and they are also cheap..

The rest of the defense could be toast like Bly.. Not much to keep their IMHO.. if they have a roster bonus coming up this year then they better keep their heads down..

56crash
02-18-2009, 11:45 PM
Patrick Ramsey, Nate Webster, Jeb Putzier, Tatum Bell, and Andre Hall.


Andre Hall was a tough runner I think this what the new GM was touting as players they plan on keeping and looking for.

MOtorboat
02-18-2009, 11:52 PM
Champ Bailey.

:noidea:

DenBronx
02-19-2009, 12:21 AM
andre hall gets my vote. ramsey should have been gone last year...he's terrible!

and why isnt prater gone yet? this year is loaded with good free agent kickers in the offseason.

oobehr
02-19-2009, 12:38 AM
I wouldn't be completely shocked if Graham got cut.

topscribe
02-19-2009, 12:53 AM
I wouldn't be completely shocked if Graham got cut.

:shocked: Not a chance. I know he's expensive, but he's one of the best TEs in the
league. Even BMarsh mentioned him as one of the cogs in the offense.

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sneakers
02-19-2009, 12:53 AM
Mustard already got cut.

exactly....how many times has he been re-signed by the broncos?

topscribe
02-19-2009, 12:54 AM
exactly....how many times has he been re-signed by the broncos?

That's just it. He could be re-signed later this week and cut the next. :D

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MOtorboat
02-19-2009, 12:54 AM
:shocked: Not a chance. I know he's expensive, but he's one of the best TEs in the
league. Even BMarsh mentioned him as one of the cogs in the offense.

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Shanahan paid him too much, for what his role is. Don't be surprised at all.

topscribe
02-19-2009, 12:57 AM
Shanahan paid him too much, for what his role is. Don't be surprised at all.

Yes, he is overpaid, and they might try to get him to adjust his contract.

But I would be very surprised to see him cut.

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MOtorboat
02-19-2009, 12:58 AM
Yes, he is overpaid, and they might try to get him to adjust his contract.

But I would be very surprised to see him cut.

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Well...I'm just warning you not to be surprised...:D

topscribe
02-19-2009, 01:03 AM
If I'm not mistaken you're not the only one that said that Bly was not going to be cut.

Yes, I was surprised. However, I don't think he was the bum many think he was.
First, Bly was overpaid for the value he was returning . . . he was good,
considering the dearth of a pass rush, but he was not a superstar, and he
was being paid like one.

Second, there is a matter of priority in relative positions. I am one of those
old-school who believes you build from the trenches on back. I'm sure they
could not see paying a good but not great CB all that money with all the
fodder they had up front. If they have to put a Paymah or Fox in there so
they can have a decent pass rush and run defense, then they will, I'm sure.

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skycoyote
02-19-2009, 01:11 AM
Champ is getting old. I think we should trade him for draft picks if we can. Its not like we need him to win the superbowl next year or the year after that. By the time we have a playoff caliber defense Champ will be old. Sorry Champ, I think we should trade you to a superbowl contender an you can get your ring.

MOtorboat
02-19-2009, 01:11 AM
Champ is getting old. I think we should trade him for draft picks if we can. Its not like we need him to win the superbowl next year or the year after that. By the time we have a playoff caliber defense Champ will be old. Sorry Champ, I think we should trade you to a superbowl contender an you can get your ring.

lol

topscribe
02-19-2009, 01:18 AM
Champ is getting old. I think we should trade him for draft picks if we can. Its not like we need him to win the superbowl next year or the year after that. By the time we have a playoff caliber defense Champ will be old. Sorry Champ, I think we should trade you to a superbowl contender an you can get your ring.

Have you contemplated as to what will NOT be left at CB if Champ leaves?

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Simple Jaded
02-19-2009, 01:21 AM
Great idea, trade your best defensive player for a draft pick.......now that's progress.

God forbid they build a defense around Bailey and get him a ring in Denver.......

DenBronx
02-19-2009, 01:22 AM
Have you contemplated as to what will NOT be left at CB if Champ leaves?

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champs not going anywhere. whoever thinks that can completely forget about it. i do see us bringing in a guy like mcalister or bodden to replace bly. leigh bodden is my wish. actually nnamdi is my wish but i dont want to see us spend more money here.

Lonestar
02-19-2009, 01:30 AM
:shocked: Not a chance. I know he's expensive, but he's one of the best TEs in the
league. Even BMarsh mentioned him as one of the cogs in the offense.

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kiss of death..:salute:


BTW were you an OLD TE at one time...

skycoyote
02-19-2009, 01:32 AM
I'd like to see him get a superbowl ring, he's paid his dues and is deserving of one. He won't get it in Denver anytime soon. He'll be a 11 year vet next year--enough said? Maybe he is valuable enough to get a draft pick or another player like a NT? He would free up some cap room. Until we get a pass rush a great cornerback isn't going to get us to the playoffs alone.

Lonestar
02-19-2009, 01:34 AM
Champ is getting old. I think we should trade him for draft picks if we can. Its not like we need him to win the superbowl next year or the year after that. By the time we have a playoff caliber defense Champ will be old. Sorry Champ, I think we should trade you to a superbowl contender an you can get your ring.


do you realize one of his CB buddies on the Skins retire a years or so ago at 42 please do not play the old card for Champ in most cases Older great CB get better with age nothing surprises them any more..


Old bovine excrement he is a kid yet..

dogfish
02-19-2009, 01:38 AM
seriously guys, we do have to keep SOME players!


:lol:



i know they want to trim the fat, etc etc, but i don't think we're going to get down to just cutler, clady and marshall. . . you can only turn over so many roster spots in one year. . . and while we do have plenty of cap room and a nice stockpile of draft picks, i'm fairly confident that they don't want to go into FA and the draft needing to find fifteen or sixteen starters-- i'd say we have enough holes to fill right now as it is. . . .

skycoyote
02-19-2009, 01:45 AM
I don't think you build a defense from the corner out. As Joe Collier said, you build a 3-4 from the NT, ILB's out. And we need all we can get at those positions. If we have to trade Champ to trade up in the draft to get a NT or a ILB or get one through FA or whatever senario plays out, I think its an option Bronco management has to keep open.

topscribe
02-19-2009, 01:57 AM
do you realize one of his CB buddies on the Skins retire a years or so ago at 42 please do not play the old card for Champ in most cases Older great CB get better with age nothing surprises them any more..


Old bovine excrement he is a kid yet..

I have seen that so many times. People will go by the chronological age and
say, "he's old," and it's time to throw him under the bus . . . much like what
they said about John Lynch . . . before he added four more Pro Bowls to his
portfolio.

Champ at 80% after he's "old" will be better than most CBs at 100% and young.

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Lonestar
02-19-2009, 02:09 AM
I don't think you build a defense from the corner out. As Joe Collier said, you build a 3-4 from the NT, ILB's out. And we need all we can get at those positions. If we have to trade Champ to trade up in the draft to get a NT or a ILB or get one through FA or whatever senario plays out, I think its an option Bronco management has to keep open.

I think you are mistaken of his value on the market.. one of the best but no one is going to give us there #1 for Champ as we speak..

BRONCOSFREAK765
02-19-2009, 03:09 AM
i think champ will be gone within the next 2 yrs..lol

TXBRONC
02-19-2009, 09:53 AM
andre hall gets my vote. ramsey should have been gone last year...he's terrible!

and why isnt prater gone yet? this year is loaded with good free agent kickers in the offseason.

I could see Hall getting a pink slip.

Ramsey I don't know. Personally I don't think he's that bad and on top of that the pool of capable back up quarterbacks isn't very big.

There is no need be rushed with getting rid of Prater. Kickers are a dime a dozen and he would imagine the he doesn't count that much against the cap.

TXBRONC
02-19-2009, 09:58 AM
Champ is getting old. I think we should trade him for draft picks if we can. Its not like we need him to win the superbowl next year or the year after that. By the time we have a playoff caliber defense Champ will be old. Sorry Champ, I think we should trade you to a superbowl contender an you can get your ring.

I believe Champ will be 31 this year, he probably has at least another four maybe even five years of solid production left in him. And when healthy he still is one of the top five to ten corners in the League.

dogfish
02-19-2009, 10:57 AM
Ramsey I don't know. Personally I don't think he's that bad and on top of that the pool of capable back up quarterbacks isn't very big.





i think he's awful. . . but honestly, people talk about other backups we could get-- and the truth is that MOST of them, if they came here, if they actually had to play they would be. . . well. . . . awful!

lol. . .

there's a good reason these guys are backups-- there just aren't enough good QBs to go around in the NFL, not every team has even one. . . each year, there are probably a handful of teams that actually have a competent second string QB that's capable of comig in and winning some games, and more often than not it's because those teams have strong defenses and/or running games. . . like leftwich in pittsburgh this year. . .

still, i'd take a guy like chris simms-- or jeff garcia at the right price-- over turnover machine ramsey. . .

TXBRONC
02-19-2009, 11:05 AM
i think he's awful. . . but honestly, people talk about other backups we could get-- and the truth is that MOST of them, if they came here, if they actually had to play they would be. . . well. . . . awful!

lol. . .

there's a good reason these guys are backups-- there just aren't enough good QBs to go around in the NFL, not every team has even one. . . each year, there are probably a handful of teams that actually have a competent second string QB that's capable of comig in and winning some games, and more often than not it's because those teams have strong defenses and/or running games. . . like leftwich in pittsburgh this year. . .

still, i'd take a guy like chris simms-- or jeff garcia at the right price-- over turnover machine ramsey. . .

Simms and Garcia could be pretty good back up quarterbacks, but doesn't Garcia still see himself as a starting quarterback? And if I'm not mistaken Shanahan did try to bring him in but he said no.

dogfish
02-19-2009, 11:08 AM
Simms and Garcia could be pretty good back up quarterbacks, but doesn't Garcia still see himself as a starting quarterback? And if I'm not mistaken Shanahan did try to bring him in but he said no.

everybody wants to see themselves as a starter-- but the question is, will some GM or head coach still see it that way? if not, he can either be a backup somewhere, or retire. . . i won't be surprised if jeff gets one more starting gig somewhere for a year or two, but i don't envision teams exactly lining up for him at this point. . . .

spikerman
02-19-2009, 05:42 PM
Jarvis Moss.

DenBronx
02-19-2009, 06:12 PM
I could see Hall getting a pink slip.

Ramsey I don't know. Personally I don't think he's that bad and on top of that the pool of capable back up quarterbacks isn't very big.

There is no need be rushed with getting rid of Prater. Kickers are a dime a dozen and he would imagine the he doesn't count that much against the cap.


exactlly why we should get rid of him.

SmilinAssasSin27
02-19-2009, 06:58 PM
We'll have to drop at least a couple of RBs. For now, I'd leave the defense alone. We're pretty thin as it is. If FA goes well, maybe lose a couple of others, but ya need the insurance.

TXBRONC
02-19-2009, 07:30 PM
exactlly why we should get rid of him.

I don't see any reason to rush.

eessydo
02-20-2009, 08:51 AM
I was thinkin Boss too.

Daryl Jackson?

Chad Jackson?

One good thing is Daniel Graham knows the system.

So does Chad Jackson, he was drafted by the Patriots and is their cast-off

Cugel
02-20-2009, 11:09 AM
"big" cuts? most likely won't be anymore IMO, unless boss bailey is considered a big cut. . . but a guy like selvin young is hardly a big cut-- UDFA salary and he only produced a few hundred yards last year. . . so far, robertson and bly are the only big cuts we've made as far as i'm concerned. . . special teamers, backups and benchwarmers don't count-- that's just clearing out dead weight. . .

i suppose mayyyybe i could see ben hamilton as a surprise cut if they're just absolutely dead-set on freeing up every possible dollar, but i really doubt it. . . aside from end-of-the-roster/warm body no-name types, i'm guessing that the vast majority of roster surgery has already been accomplished. . . . maybe they'll give somebody like torain the axe. . .

Dammit! You jumped in and said what I was thinking! Torain is a good bet unless he gets a lot more healthy in a hurry.

Other pre-season cuts could be: Andre Hall & Selvin Young. Neither is good or durable enough. Andre Hall gets hurt if you sneeze at him. Torain never gets out of the training room so no one can sneeze at him!

But, right now there would be no surprises unless they let one or more of the offensive linemen go. Ben Hamilton would be the only one possible IMO & I doubt it.

Since we need to go out on a limb with UNLIKELY predictions: How about - the Broncos refuse to renegotiate Casey Weigman's contract and he retires and they move Hamilton over to center.

I'm not predicting it, and I think it would be stupid, but for a team in rebuilding mode, I could see it as a cost-cutting move.