Broncos Release Six

[Denver Native (Carol)]

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=8843

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- The Broncos on Monday announced the release of the following six players: John Engelberger, Nate Jackson, Niko Koutouvides, Marquand Manuel, DeWayne Robertson and Jamie Winborn.

Engelberger started six games for the Broncos in 2008, recording 51 tackles, and had spent the previous three seasons with the club. He began his career with the San Francisco 49ers.

2008 was Jackson's fifth year in the NFL, having spent every season with the Broncos. He started three games in place of the injured Tony Scheffler and caught 11 passes before being placed on injured reserve on November 20.

Koutouvides was a first-year Bronco after spending four seasons with the Seattle Seahawks. He saw action in 14 games in 2008, playing mostly on special teams.

Manuel was also a first-year Bronco after having played for the Bengals, Seahawks, Packers and Panthers. He started 14 games at strong safety for the Broncos in 2008.

Robertson joined the Broncos via trade with the New York Jets on April 24, 2008 and started 15 games at defensive tackle. He spent the first five years of his career with New York.

2008 marked Winborn's eighth year in the league and second with the Broncos. He started 11 games at linebacker after Boss Bailey suffered a season-ending injury.

[BroncoWave]

And the defensive overhaul continues! I like it! I might have kept Engleberger and Jackson though, at least until camp.

[Tned]

That's a decent chunk of our defense. Engelberger shouldn't have been smoking on the sidelines. :lol:

[honz]

Dear lord. Complete overhaul.

[Ziggy]

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=8843

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- The Broncos on Monday announced the release of the following six players: John Engelberger, Nate Jackson, Niko Koutouvides, Marquand Manuel, DeWayne Robertson and Jamie Winborn.



No surprises here really. With Winborn being gone, and Webster being an UFA, the best thing about this is that we won't have to watch our defense celebrate when they stop the other team after a 5 yard gain. Heck, I'm celebrating already. :beer:

[Tned]

Or watch Webster's helmet fly farther than an A-Rod homerun everytime he tackles someone.

[Magnificent Seven]

Nate Jackson! He was a good TE.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Along with releasing, there needs to be a definite plan for replacing. Either going to hit the FA fairly hard, or fill the spots thru the draft, and end up with a very young team.

[MOtorboat]

I'm an idiot.

[underrated29]

well..... I like jackson as depth because he is pretty good for us when scheff is out.

I like winborn too, he is not exceptional but better than most of our guys.

I like that almost all of this is defense though, thats great!

I would say right now with these cuts that we are probably going to draft which ever of the 3 falls to us.

Raji
Maulbeast
Moore/Best Saftey


My money is we move up to get rey rey, we have to many unknowns at LB, and the FA's in the DT and S dept seem more likely to come to us....Dansby isnt going anywhere....

[BeefStew25]

Gut the rotten fish.

http://www.whytraveltofrance.com/images/deadfish.jpg

[Ziggy]

I just want to know why Webster's name wasn't on that list. :noidea:

Because he's an UFA. They can't cut him, because he's not officially under contract.

[broncosinindy]

Along with releasing, there needs to be a definite plan for replacing. Either going to hit the FA fairly hard, or fill the spots thru the draft, and end up with a very young team.

Aggreed they better be able to replace those guys or i am gonna be hot. i like John E. and thought he was pretty darn good especially as a backup.

[BeefStew25]

Because he's an UFA. They can't cut him, because he's not officially under contract.

I wish we could sign him and then cut him just out of pure spite.

[TXBRONC]

I wonder if the realse of Robertson is indicator that Denver really is going to move towards a 3-4 defense? :ponder:

[BeefStew25]

Aggreed they better be able to replace those guys or i am gonna be hot. i like John E. and thought he was pretty darn good especially as a backup.

There was alot of dudes getting paid tons more money that Berger doing lots less, that much is true. He was decent against the run.

[frauschieze]

Marquand Manuel cut = one hazard down, at least one more to go.

[BroncoWave]

I just want to know why Webster's name wasn't on that list. :noidea:

Can't cut a player who's not on the team!

[broncosinindy]

I wonder if the realse of Robertson is indicator that Denver really is going to move towards a 3-4 defense? :ponder:

This going to get really interesting. Looks as though Crowder Moss and Doom are safe for now

[broncosinindy]

There was alot of dudes getting paid tons more money that Berger doing lots less, that much is true. He was decent against the run.

I really thought he was a good two down player. and could be replaced by a Pass rush specialist on third down. oh well no looking back now. i hope he finds another team.

[Superchop 7]

Good Cuts, hate to see Nate go, but understandable from an injury standpoint.

[ikillz0mbies]

It's looking more and more likely the Broncos will draft mostly defensive players. Yay!

[muse]

Nate. Naaaate. NAAAAAAAATTTTTEEEEEEE!

Why?! :(

[Lonestar]

Nate. Naaaate. NAAAAAAAATTTTTEEEEEEE!

Why?! :(

mikey is gone..:laugh:

[oobehr]

Good thing manual is gone, I want to see mccree go too, they both are pretty bad.

[TXBRONC]

Good thing manual is gone, I want to see mccree go too, they both are pretty bad.

Man I don't think bad comes close to describing how poorly the McCree and Manuel played.

[fcspikeit]

We are not going to replace all these guys in the draft.. We will be active in FA! :D

[topscribe]

I wonder if the realse of Robertson is indicator that Denver really is going to move towards a 3-4 defense? :ponder:

Or because the Broncos were giving up massive yardage with him in there . . .

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[TXBRONC]

We are not going to replace all these guys in the draft.. We will be active in FA! :D

Most definitely there no way cover all those release with just one draft.

[Lonestar]

We are not going to replace all these guys in the draft.. We will be active in FA! :D

maybe we play 6 man football on defense can't be worse than last year can't it?:laugh:

[BigAL56]

Dang man, I really liked Jackson. Hopefully he'll be back

[Lonestar]

Dang man, I really liked Jackson. Hopefully he'll be back


when Scheffler goes down he is on Mc Kids speed dial..:laugh:

[Ziggy]

Good thing manual is gone, I want to see mccree go too, they both are pretty bad.

McCree is an UFA. You won't see him cut, because he's already gone. :D

[Northman]

I Didnt get cut!!!!!!!!!! Wooooohoooooo!!!!!!!!

[TXBRONC]

Or because the Broncos were giving up massive yardage with him in there . . .

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Maybe both things are true.

[topscribe]

maybe we play 6 man football on defense can't be worse than last year can't it?:laugh:

Believe it or not, that is what I played in my first couple years in high school.

On dirt . . .

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[Lonestar]

Believe it or not, that is what I played in my first couple years in high school.

On dirt . . .

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leather helmet and no face guard right..:laugh:

[Dean]

I Didnt get cut!!!!!!!!!! Wooooohoooooo!!!!!!!!

They probably thought that you had already been circumcised.:welcome:

[frauschieze]

McCree is an UFA. You won't see him cut, because he's already gone. :D

He is?! Sweet! :dance:

No more hazards!

[honz]

If McDaniels wants to cut Winborn, you can bet we won't be resigning Webster. Winborn was clearly better than Webster IMO...despite his idiotic celebrations.

[Buff]

Winborn deserved to be fired on principle alone for celebrating at all the wrong moments.

Nate Jackson is the only one I'll be sad to see go. Manuel, Niko and Robertson were absolutely awful and Engelberger is an overachiever who probably shouldn't be playing in the league.

[Ziggy]

The following players are UFA from our defense last year:

McCree
Webster
Ekuban
Paymah
Peterson

[Lonestar]

someone want to create a celebration cut list thread.. so we can keep track.. and see what/who is left to cut? they would have to edit it from time to time..

[BeefStew25]

Believe it or not, that is what I played in my first couple years in high school.

On dirt . . .

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Dirt you were older than.

[Grover]

Nolan had a disagreement with Winborn back in their San Francisco days. Besides him not being anything all that special, it might have had something to do with his being cut.

I liked John Engelberger's attitude and hustle. If I remember correctly, he played injured much of last year. But he's replaceable.

We only have four players on this team right now (IMHO) that are playmakers and gamechangers - Cutler, Bailey, Marshall and Royal. The fact that so many here are "mourning" the loss of players like Nate Jackson and John Engelberger just shows you the average talent on this team. There will be any number of replacements available either through the draft or free agency that can deliver as much as these two have over the last three years. And I'm not a Nate and John hater, I actually liked them both as Broncos. But c'mon, we CAN do better.

[DenBronx]

I wonder what this does to the 34 mill we have in cap room. does it help or hurt us??? anyone know they details on robertson? i think someone posted that he would have a big cap hit if he was cut pre june 1st.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9229700/Xanders-wastes-no-time-reshaping-Broncos-roster?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) - Brian Xanders isn't wasting any time reshaping the Denver Broncos' roster.

The team released a half-dozen players Monday, led by high-priced defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson, who was set to count $16 million against the team's $123 million cap.

"It's a team's sport. One person can't take a huge burden against the existing framework of the salary cap. So, we'll try to spread it around and figure it out that way," Xanders said in his first public interview since his promotion from assistant GM last week.

Also released were linebackers Niko Koutouvides ($3.06 million) and Jamie Winborn ($2.25 million), safety Marquand Manuel ($1.33 million), defensive end John Engelberger ($2.18 million) and tight end Nate Jackson (less than $1 million).

Many of them might still have a job with the Broncos were Mike Shanahan not fired Dec. 30 after the team missed the playoffs for the third straight season.

"You never know. The only thing you can do is move on," Manuel told The Associated Press. "We didn't win enough, so it comes with the territory - for all of us."

New England Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, 32, replaced Shanahan as Denver's coach last month and Xanders, 37, was promoted to replace Shanahan as chief personnel man Thursday, not long after the Rams showed an interest in luring him to St. Louis.

Both men report directly to Bowlen.

In a wide-ranging interview, Xanders said he's found a kindred spirit in McDaniels and he pledged a unified front office, insisting "there will be no disagreements" on player personnel decisions.

In that case, the two rookie 30-somethings quickly agreed on reshaping their roster.

The moves Monday leave the Broncos with 13 players who will count more than $1 million against their cap next season, led by cornerback Champ Bailey ($13.67 million) and linebacker D.J. Williams ($11.6 million), defensive co-captains who spent much of last season on the sideline with injuries and are prime candidates for renegotiating their contracts.

Xanders was already taking a hard look at the team's salary cap issues when he was approached Thursday by Bowlen, who offered him the job and then fired Jim and Jeff Goodman, the architects of last year's solid draft class.

"The timing is a surprise," Xanders acknowledged, what with the NFL combine fast approaching, free agency less than two weeks away and the draft looming in two months.

Xanders said he's already developed a strong relationship with McDaniels in the month they've worked together.

"Well, we're both very competitive. We both have a high passion to win football games. We both love this franchise. And we both want to do everything we can to help us win," Xanders said. "We both realize we have great opportunities and we both want to fulfill those opportunities and do what Mr. Bowlen wants and that's to win football games and get him back to the Super Bowl and get the Super Bowl back to the fans."

The Broncos have won just one playoff game since John Elway's retirement a decade ago following back-to-back championships, and Xanders said he and McDaniels share a philosophy on player personnel and how to return to team to glory.

"I'll say this, there will be no disagreements," Xanders said. "There are no ties, as Mr. Bowlen says. It'll be crystal clear of who we should take at that time. It will be based on who's best for us, who's going to be the best football player over the next four years out of the draft for us at a position of need?"

Xanders also said he sees why Bowlen was impressed enough to hand the reins over to a first-time coach who's only 32.

"He is extremely passionate, he knows exactly what he wants to do," Xanders said. "He has a clear purpose and specific role for everybody and everything, and a system that has worked in this modern football era and he is excellent in multiple, multiple areas, whether it's defense, special teams, offense, running game, passing game, player personnel, college scouting, pro personnel, leadership.

"He is where he is for a reason."

And Xanders certainly feels the same way about himself.

Notes: Xanders declined to say whether the team would shift from a 4-3 defensive front to a 3-4 with three down linemen and four linebackers, and he indicated the Broncos might make moves to bolster the 17 draft picks they'll have over the next two years. ... Xanders also declined to say how long his contract is.

[Chase the Eagles Fan]

Sorry if this isn't in the right place but I thought that this directly effects the Broncos plans in free agency and the draft...

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

Robertson, Engleberger, Winborn, Koutovides, Manuel and Nate Jackson all gone...

Does this change your draft or free agency thoughts any?

[NightTrainLayne]

Too many good "bites" in that article to even list them all. . . I'm excited to see what kind of product they put on the field. If they're even close to the game that they talk, we'll all be happy.

[Cheez Whiz]

Thank god. McDaniels is proving he wants to win. He's getting rid of all these hacks, that shouldn't even be in the NFL.

[broncohead]

"It will be based on who's best for us, who's going to be the best football player over the next four years out of the draft for us at a position of need?"

he indicated the Broncos might make moves to bolster the 17 draft picks they'll have over the next two years.

So this sounds to me like we'll draft by need and if there isn't anyone available that we need we'll trade down.

[Lonestar]

Sorry if this isn't in the right place but I thought that this directly effects the Broncos plans in free agency and the draft...

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

Robertson, Engleberger, Winborn, Koutovides, Manuel and Nate Jackson all gone...

Does this change your draft or free agency thoughts any?

BRONCOS BOUNCE SIX
Posted by Mike Florio on February 16, 2009, 8:50 p.m.
The Denver Broncos have announced the release of six player who were acquired during the Mike Shanahan era.

Gone are defensive end John Engelberger, tight end Nate Jackson, linebacker Niko Koutouvides, safety Marquand Manuel, defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson, and linebacker Jamie Winborn.

Engleberger has been acquired via trade with the 49ers in 2005. Jackson also came in a trade with San Fran, circa 2003.

Koutovides arrived last year via free agency from the Seahawks. Ditto for Manuel, but from the Panthers.

The Broncos traded for Roberston, the fourth overall pick in the 2003 draft, last year. Winborn was signed as a free agent in 2007.

The moves clear $6.425 million in 2009 salary commitments.

Per the Associated Press, Robertson was scheduled to have a cap figure of $16 million, even though according to NFLPA records his base salary was due to be only $900,000.

[MOtorboat]

Does this change your draft or free agency thoughts any?

No.

[honz]

It sounds like Xanders' whole "$16 million cap figure" comment was directed towards Robertson, not necessarily just a general comment about all players like the earlier article made it sound. I agree with him...Robertson did nothing last season to even hint that he is worth $16 million.

[G_Money]

I don't have any problem with those cuts at all. Winborn was better than Webster, but only in the way that pondscum is better than sewer sludge.

And Grover's right, Nolan already tossed him off the team once because he could only play ST and over-ran every play.

The rest of them are right in line.

~G

[BRONCOSFREAK765]

Robertson- would have became the next daryl gardner
Engleberger- should have been cut last year
Winborn- should have been cut last year
Koutovides-lmao not even touching that one
Manuel- why didnt we resign lynch?
lNate Jackson- really hasnt done anything to warrant a spot on team.

EXCELLENT CUTS!!!

WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE CHAMP RESTRUCTURE.

[broncogirl7]

Great cuts and it makes the Draft even more exciting!

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Nate Jackson got released!? I LOVE JOSH MCDANIELS.

[dogfish]

:whoo: :whoo: :whoo:












No.


^^ shortest post G money has ever hi-fived :D ^^

[Cheez Whiz]

If anyone is bitching about these cuts, they are still bitter about Shanahan being fired.

[Dirk]

That's a decent chunk of our defense. Engelberger shouldn't have been smoking on the sidelines. :lol:


I about spit my coffee out on that one! :lol:

I am very pleased about these cuts! Keep on keeping on...McD, Nolan and Xman! :salute:

[MHCBill]

I think it's interesting seeing who hasn't been cut.

Almost no one on offense... no Moss, no Crowder, no Woodyard, no Doom, etc.

Seeing Woodyard still here makes me think he'll be switching to safety if we do go to a 3-4. He's way too small for a 3-4 linebacker.

[Dirk]

I think after the heart that Woodyard displayed and his raw talent, it would be crazy not to try and find a good fit for him.

[CoachChaz]

I think after the heart that Woodyard displayed and his raw talent, it would be crazy not to try and find a good fit for him.

There is still time. If he cant move to safety successfully, he'll either be a ST guy ot he'll get cut.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

There may still be more cuts, but most that haven't been are either cheap (Woodyard...who I NEVER thought would be cut anyways, Crowder) or have some trade value (Doom, Moss) if they aren't staying in Denver.

I'm cool w/ all the cuts, but I wouldn't have been upset to se Berger stay. Gotta love the hard working vets.

[broncofaninfla]

I think the next round of cuts will include some surprises. To date, all of the cuts have been pretty obvious.

[Ziggy]

Defensive reaction costs Broncos jobs
Three starters among those axed
By Lindsay H. Jones
The Denver Post
Posted: 02/17/2009 12:30:00 AM MST


Linebacker Jamie Winborn and defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson teamed for some tackles on the field, such as this one against the Bills' Marshawn Lynch last season, and they're leaving the Broncos at the same time as well. (Denver Post file photo )New coach Josh McDaniels and general manager Brian Xanders carved up the Broncos' defense Monday by releasing five players, including three starters.

Gone are defensive tackle De- wayne Robertson, safety Marquand Manuel, defensive end John Engelberger and linebackers Jamie Winborn and Niko Koutouvides. The team also released tight end Nate Jackson.

All of the five defenders except Koutouvides started at least one game in 2008.

Robertson, Manuel, Winborn and Engelberger played significant roles on a defense that surrendered 448 total points.

"It's a business. I can understand that," Winborn said. "When McDaniels was hired, we knew there would be changes."

Of the moves, Winborn's release is the most surprising. He started 11 games and led the team with 99 tackles last season.
But he has a poor history with new defensive coordinator Mike Nolan, who traded him from the San Francisco 49ers in the middle of the 2005 season. After the trade, Nolan had said Winborn was a better fit for a 4-3 scheme, while Winborn said his former coach was too rigid.

Winborn on Monday said he didn't think his history with Nolan was a factor.

"I had gotten over it," Winborn said. "I think it is more of a case that they have plans for a defense, and they don't think I'm a part of it."
The Broncos will eventually make the full conversion to a 3-4 defense, although for the 2009 season they will likely use a 4- 3/3-4 hybrid similar to those employed by the Arizona Cardinals and Nolan's 49ers the past two seasons.
Engelberger, who started the first five games of 2008 before being replaced by Ebenezer Ekuban at left end, also was traded from the 49ers by Nolan because the player didn't fit a 3-4 scheme.

The decision to release Robertson and Koutouvides, both acquired in the 2008 offseason, was primarily financial.

Robertson would have earned an extra $4 million and Koutouvides an extra $1.775 million in roster bonuses had they remained on the team on March 3.

"I'm sure it had something to do with it," Koutouvides said. "If I was going to be around, they were going to owe me a decent amount of money."

The Broncos traded a conditional pick to the New York Jets for Robertson but owe the Jets nothing because Robertson played in well less than 65 percent of the defensive snaps.

Koutouvides was signed as a free agent with the plan for him to be the starting middle linebacker. But Nate Webster beat him out, and Koutouvides failed to move up the depth chart even when the linebacking corps was decimated by injuries. He played almost exclusively on special teams.

Koutouvides said he had no conversations with the new coaching staff and that he was not too surprised when team officials called him Monday to tell him he was being released.

"I'm not naive or anything," Koutouvides said. "My agent and I, we were prepared for it to go either way."

Manuel also joined the team as a free agent in 2008. He started 14 games at strong safety. His 83 tackles were third-most on the team.

Jackson, the only offensive player released, was a backup receiver/tight end and special teams constant during his six years with the Broncos. An outgoing, likable teammate in the locker room, Jackson demonstrated his pass-receiving skills in a reserve role, although his production was crimped by assorted injuries in recent years.

"Nothing was perfect as far as my career went there, but by and large I had a wonderful time," Jackson said.

Staff writer Mike Klis contributed to this report.







Further proof that we will be moving to a 3-4 ASAP.

[Fan in Exile]

I think the next round of cuts will include some surprises. To date, all of the cuts have been pretty obvious.

I was thinking about the next round of cuts, and I think that when they happen they'll be pretty obvious. I say that because now we've pretty much gotten to the point where the people who are left could work out.

The ones who really sucked or had big cap hits are gone. So now it's a matter of bringing in better quality. I think as we bring in FA's that we'll see the direction the FO feels they need to fix, and figure who is going to be cut next.

I mean if they start bringing in a bunch of OLB then we can look at Boss and recognize he's a goner. Or if they start bringing in WR's then the Jacksons or Stockley might be gone. I'm not saying that they are going to do these things, just that we've gotten to the point where their FA moves are going to tell us where the wind is blowing.

[sneakers]

Wasn't DeWayne Robertson supposed to be our savior on run defense this passed year?

[LRtagger]

There is still time. If he cant move to safety successfully, he'll either be a ST guy ot he'll get cut.

He actually has some trade value now IMO. I think we could get a 6th or 7th at least for him if we feel he doesnt fit this team anywhere. But IMO with his current contract we would be stupid to dump him because he will be a valuable STer and backup.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

According to PFT (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/17/broncos-cap-moves-clear-more-than-20-million-in-cap-space/), we saved over 20 million and not just the little six million that was stated. If that is true, along with previous reports of us already having a ton of money. . . good lordy.

[claymore]

According to PFT (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/17/broncos-cap-moves-clear-more-than-20-million-in-cap-space/), we saved over 20 million and not just the little six million that was stated. If that is true, along with previous reports of us already having a ton of money. . . good lordy.

We could sign Jackson back to a multi year deal if we are lucky.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

I guess according to Eddie Mac on the Mane, one of the Denver guys reported that with everything we're now around 30-35 million in total cap room. That is pretty good, and I expect the purge to continue; and we still have a roster filled with 51+ guys. That's actually quite good.

[Gamechanger]

looks like Denver is making sum good cuts

now I hope Indy gets on the ball with that

[WARHORSE]

Per Cicero


BRONCOS CAP MOVES CLEAR MORE THAN $20 MILLION IN CAP SPACE (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/17/broncos-cap-moves-clear-more-than-20-million-in-cap-space/)

Posted by Mike Florio on February 17, 2009, 6:43 a.m.
The Broncos completed the President’s Day Massacre by dropping six players.
The moves helped the team avoid, as we calculated last night, more than $6 million in base salary obligations for 2009. But a league source tells us that the net savings against the 2009 cap exceeded $20 million.
The bulk of the savings came from defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson, who was due to receive $16 million in bonuses and salary in 2009.
The release of linebacker Niko Koutovides resulted in a net cap gain of $1,061,000.
Linebacker Jamie Winborn was due to pocket a total of $2.25 million in 2009; since there’s no associated cap acceleration with his release, the team saves all of it.
Safety Marquand Manuel’s release frees up a net cap savings of $1.166 million.
Cutting defensive tackle end John Engleberger creates $1.164 million in 2009 cap space.
Losing tight end Nate Jackson resulted in $557,000 in net cap savings.

[Gimpygod]

Believe it or not, that is what I played in my first couple years in high school.

On dirt . . .

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They had dirt way back then?!:eek: I thought it was mostly rocks because they hadn't broken down yet.

[Gimpygod]

I think everybody is overlooking something really important that was demonstrated by this round of cuts...McDoogie doesn't have sex with goats or other farm animals. Well, at least it shows Nate Jackson doesn't have photographs proving such :woot::sheep::behindsofa::photo:

[broncobryce]

I thought Nate fit the bill as a 3rd string TE. But a lot of guys fit the bill as a 3rd stinger. Good luck to him, I'm sure Mike will pick him up next season.

[oobehr]

Adam Schefter says we freed up 22 million with these cuts. That is damn smart of Xanders for making these cuts.

[DenBronx]

so we now have 54 mill in cap space? good night!!! that would move us from 3rd to 1st in cap room. there was a report earlier about a month ago that was spot on with all of these cuts projecting we would have close to 50 mill. i'll see if i can dig it up. even if it's 6 mill thats still great! good to see mckid and xanders really paying attention to the dead weight. they are both off to a really good start on cap management.

surely we are going to bring in free agents but it looks like they will have to be cap friendly. i see us going after one big name on defense and the rest of the guys will have to sign at an average salary. guys like dunta robertson, vilma, peterson or igor should all come at a decent price. the big money goes fast and i dont see some of these older vets getting anywhere near a block buster deal like they would hope.

at this point, i wouldnt ask champ to restructure. he isnt the reason why our d sucks so bad. nor is dj. both of these guys would look stellar on teams like pitt, balt or tenn.

[Lonestar]

so we now have 54 mill in cap space? good night!!! that would move us from 3rd to 1st in cap room. there was a report earlier about a month ago that was spot on with all of these cuts projecting we would have close to 50 mill. i'll see if i can dig it up. even if it's 6 mill thats still great! good to see mckid and xanders really paying attention to the dead weight. they are both off to a really good start on cap management.

surely we are going to bring in free agents but it looks like they will have to be cap friendly. i see us going after one big name on defense and the rest of the guys will have to sign at an average salary. guys like dunta robertson, vilma, peterson or igor should all come at a decent price. the big money goes fast and i dont see some of these older vets getting anywhere near a block buster deal like they would hope.

at this point, i wouldnt ask champ to restructure. he isnt the reason why our d sucks so bad. nor is dj. both of these guys would look stellar on teams like pitt, balt or tenn.


add some bucks in cause BLY is gone.. IIRC about 8 mil this year less his prorated signing bonus..

[DenBronx]

add some bucks in cause BLY is gone.. IIRC about 8 mil this year less his prorated signing bonus..


xanders is my hero.

[dogfish]

man, they are wasting NO time clearing out the dead weight!

:shocked:



it's going to be fun as hell watching what we do in free agency with all this cap room and so many holes that need filled. . . .

[TXBRONC]

man, they are wasting NO time clearing out the dead weight!

:shocked:



it's going to be fun as hell watching what we do in free agency with all this cap room and so many holes that need filled. . . .

I wonder if maybe they are trying to clear enough cap space to make a run at least one big name player such as Julius Peppers?

[dogfish]

I wonder if maybe they are trying to clear enough cap space to make a run at least one big name player such as Julius Peppers?


hard to say, but it wouldn't surprise me. . . of course, i still think there's a pretty good chance that they extend gross in time to give peppers the tag-- we should get a clearer idea of what the FA landscape is going to look like within the next few days, because the deadline for using the tag is only a few days away. . .

and if peppers and suggs are both tagged, it won't be the end of the world-- i'd be just as happy to get one or several solid-to-very good players as opposed to one elite one. . . guys like chris canty, oj atogwe, jermaine phillips, dunta robinson, bryant mcfadden, etc etc would all be nice additions. . . :D

[Lonestar]

hard to say, but it wouldn't surprise me. . . of course, i still think there's a pretty good chance that they extend gross in time to give peppers the tag-- we should get a clearer idea of what the FA landscape is going to look like within the next few days, because the deadline for using the tag is only a few days away. . .

and if peppers and suggs are both tagged, it won't be the end of the world-- i'd be just as happy to get one or several solid-to-very good players as opposed to one elite one. . . guys like chris canty, oj atogwe, jermaine phillips, dunta robinson, bryant mcfadden, etc etc would all be nice additions. . . :D

The issues there are IF they get tagged that is just two more bodies off the radar and more teams fighting for that second tier guy driving up his prices..

[omac]

In a wide-ranging interview, Xanders said he's found a kindred spirit in McDaniels and he pledged a unified front office, insisting "there will be no disagreements" on player personnel decisions.

Welcome back, Ted. :cool:

Pretty good cuts; only one I didn't really agree with was Nate Jackson. He made quite a few crucial grabs last year, and wasn't afraid of putting his body in harms way to make a catch. He also wasn't expensive. I think he'll be picked up from waivers pretty fast.

[broncofaninfla]

In the last couple of days, it's become obvious who doesn't factor into next seasons plans for the Broncos. I wish McD and Xanders would provide some feedback on the players they are keeping and the postions they expect them to compete in.

[TXBRONC]

hard to say, but it wouldn't surprise me. . . of course, i still think there's a pretty good chance that they extend gross in time to give peppers the tag-- we should get a clearer idea of what the FA landscape is going to look like within the next few days, because the deadline for using the tag is only a few days away. . .

and if peppers and suggs are both tagged, it won't be the end of the world-- i'd be just as happy to get one or several solid-to-very good players as opposed to one elite one. . . guys like chris canty, oj atogwe, jermaine phillips, dunta robinson, bryant mcfadden, etc etc would all be nice additions. . . :D

Peppers seems dead set on not signing with them even if they put a franchise tag on him.

The one thing that is certain at this point is the Broncos will have to be very active in free agency. 12 roster cuts with possibility of more to come there just no way to replace that many players through the draft.

[Fan in Exile]

In the last couple of days, it's become obvious who doesn't factor into next seasons plans for the Broncos. I wish McD and Xanders would provide some feedback on the players they are keeping and the postions they expect them to compete in.

I would expect that to happen at some point, but not until after the draft. If we keep people guessing it keeps them from trading in front of us to get the guys that we are targeting.

[TXBRONC]

I would expect that to happen at some point, but not until after the draft. If we keep people guessing it keeps them from trading in front of us to get the guys that we are targeting.

Exactly, as much as possible they'll want to keep others teams guessing.