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lgenf
12-19-2011, 10:33 AM
Ok we all know where we stand in the division, we r a game up on both SD and Oakland.

Let's just win out and run into the playoffs instead of stumbling or whatever tie breakers.

The bills looked like crap against the fins running game yesterday, I know trust me, I had to watch the entire game before they would switch to the Denver game, but Reggie bush went for over 200 rushing yds, not total, rushing

If we throw 10 passes next week I am OK with that, because we will be able to run it up and down the field ALL DAY against the bills.

I felt we got away from the running game yesterday after the 3 turnovers, and I know what the score was, but they hadn't stopped our running game all day, only we did.

So I want us to get back to our success, run the damn ball, shorten the games up, keep the defense fresh and win these last two games.

Joel
12-19-2011, 10:51 AM
That's a good plan; playoff teams win those games, so if that's what we are, that's what we should do.

Don't expect a ton of sacks though, 'cos the Bills are tied for the Leagues least (20.) That just means we'll have to get the job done on offense; if we run effectively we won't need many sacks (except the League apparently ruled Miller falling on Brady after a fumble a TFL, not a sack, so he still needs 3.5 more for the rookie record.) I mean, really, we're the ONLY team in the Division that's not eliminated with another loss so, no, we should not be looking at tiebreaks, we should be looking at doing our job and finishing our own season rather than hoping someone does it for us.

lgenf
12-19-2011, 11:01 AM
Our D got shredded yesterday, so our offense has to control the game

We need to run the damn ball, keep the clock running, shorten the game, keep the defense fresh and win the time of possession by a large margin

If the fins can run for 254, we should be able to run for 300+

camdisco24
12-19-2011, 11:11 AM
Our D got shredded yesterday, so our offense has to control the game

We need to run the damn ball, keep the clock running, shorten the game, keep the defense fresh and win the time of possession by a large margin

If the fins can run for 254, we should be able to run for 300+

I think the one thing that exposes our D is when they get gassed. For the past 2 games they have been out on the field waaaay too long. The offense has to help this by minimizing turnover, which we've done really well until the last 2 weeks.

I agree 100% about the running game. When Tebow has the support of the run game and the option to play action pass, we're pretty tough to stop. I think we'll see some serious improvement from the TEAM to help Tebow out this week.

I'm expecting a huge turnaround this week, because that's what great teams do.

MOtorboat
12-19-2011, 11:14 AM
Beef would make a hell of a tight end. BDB...left tackle. I'll take buff at one wide receiver, we can throw the fade to him with those ups. I'll play the Danny Woodhead role, and I think Spiker might be our QB.

Nut has to be on defense, like middle linebacker. Gizzie will be our possession receiver. Shake and Shank at the corners. BDB might have to play nose tackle too. Joe has great skills, but he's aging, so he need to play FS. Gator is our pass rusher. Tubby is our D.J.

jlarsiii
12-19-2011, 11:17 AM
I think the one thing that exposes our D is when they get gassed. For the past 2 games they have been out on the field waaaay too long. The offense has to help this by minimizing turnover, which we've done really well until the last 2 weeks.

I agree 100% about the running game. When Tebow has the support of the run game and the option to play action pass, we're pretty tough to stop. I think we'll see some serious improvement from the TEAM to help Tebow out this week.

I'm expecting a huge turnaround this week, because that's what great teams do.


I think what exposed our D was having a bunch of rooks in the backfield, and no one deciding that they even wanted to try to cover their TEs. Those guys were running unchecked on practically every down...

chazoe60
12-19-2011, 11:21 AM
Beef would make a hell of a tight end. BDB...left tackle. I'll take buff at one wide receiver, we can throw the fade to him with those ups. I'll play the Danny Woodhead role, and I think Spiker might be our QB.

Nut has to be on defense, like middle linebacker. Gizzie will be our possession receiver. Shake and Shank at the corners. BDB might have to play nose tackle too. Joe has great skills, but he's aging, so he need to play FS. Gator is our pass rusher. Tubby is our D.J.

Can I play DT?

camdisco24
12-19-2011, 11:22 AM
I think what exposed our D was having a bunch of rooks in the backfield, and no one deciding that they even wanted to try to cover their TEs. Those guys were running unchecked on practically every down...

:laugh: yeah that too! Wasn't exactly an easy task for a bunch of rooks.

MOtorboat
12-19-2011, 11:24 AM
Turnovers and penalties. End of story.

BroncoJoe
12-19-2011, 11:25 AM
Beef would make a hell of a tight end. BDB...left tackle. I'll take buff at one wide receiver, we can throw the fade to him with those ups. I'll play the Danny Woodhead role, and I think Spiker might be our QB.

Nut has to be on defense, like middle linebacker. Gizzie will be our possession receiver. Shake and Shank at the corners. BDB might have to play nose tackle too. Joe has great skills, but he's aging, so he need to play FS. Gator is our pass rusher. Tubby is our D.J.

Ouch. Although I have to admit I'd light the receivers up like D.Smith/Atwater.

Chef Zambini
12-19-2011, 11:36 AM
our offense looked very pedestrian without willy-mac.
did ROYAL catch a single ball?
Our O needs to evolve, and eliminating snaps from under center may be comfortable for TT but it also makes it easier for the opposing D line and pass rushers too.

blamkin86
12-19-2011, 12:30 PM
Turnovers and penalties. End of story.

Pretty much correct... but having three rookie safeties, and as someone pointed out - Tight Ends that were basically not covered - was key to their holding onto the ball so long after they got the lead.

Give me a healthy McGahee and Dawkins - and the game draws out just enough to get some pressure on Brady, and make some of those runs Tebow needs to work the option.

That is the Patriots after all. They are going to win a playoff game or two.... and unlike the other 6 teams before them; they took this game quite seriously. (OK maybe the Bears did.)

Don't know how to 'splain it but Tebow seems better today. It's like we're finally out of fantasy land and the kid still seems pretty good.

camdisco24
12-19-2011, 12:39 PM
Don't know how to 'splain it but Tebow seems better today. It's like we're finally out of fantasy land and the kid still seems pretty good.

Yeah, I totally understand this feeling. I'm feeling the same way today. Not much concern at the QB position... I really like what I've seen the past few weeks and I think he is the real deal. I've basically eliminated the lingering thought that maybe Tebow is a fluke.

catfish
12-19-2011, 12:44 PM
Yeah, I totally understand this feeling. I'm feeling the same way today. Not much concern at the QB position... I really like what I've seen the past few weeks and I think he is the real deal. I've basically eliminated the lingering thought that maybe Tebow is a fluke.

even though they didn't win, it isn't like the Detroit games where you felt they never had a prayer and were totally inept the whole game...couple key turnovers were the game, I feel like a rematch could go either way...didn't feel the same after Detroit

vandammage13
12-19-2011, 01:10 PM
The thought of beating a Kyle Orton led Chiefs team to clinch a playoff berth is highly appealing to me.

Here's to going 2-0 the rest of the Reg season!! :cheers:

PAINTERDAVE
12-19-2011, 01:23 PM
The thought of beating a Kyle Orton led Chiefs team to clinch a playoff berth is highly appealing to me.

Here's to going 2-0 the rest of the Reg season!! :cheers:

6 trips to the red zone for Kyle Orton yesterday.

4 Field Goals
1 rushing TD


Same old Kyle.

lgenf
12-19-2011, 01:24 PM
6 trips to the red zone for Kyle Orton yesterday.

4 Field Goals
1 rushing TD


Same old Kyle.

Wrong....

This time he actually won

spikerman
12-20-2011, 06:58 PM
Beef would make a hell of a tight end. BDB...left tackle. I'll take buff at one wide receiver, we can throw the fade to him with those ups. I'll play the Danny Woodhead role, and I think Spiker might be our QB.

Nut has to be on defense, like middle linebacker. Gizzie will be our possession receiver. Shake and Shank at the corners. BDB might have to play nose tackle too. Joe has great skills, but he's aging, so he need to play FS. Gator is our pass rusher. Tubby is our D.J.

Just a quick warning, I'm a southpaw so the ball comes out weird, but my arm is stronger than Chad Pennington's.

hotcarl
12-20-2011, 10:17 PM
lol, op, "let's", again, lol

rcsodak
12-20-2011, 10:50 PM
I think what exposed our D was having a bunch of rooks in the backfield, and no one deciding that they even wanted to try to cover their TEs. Those guys were running unchecked on practically every down...
I saw plenty of champ grabbing for air on some runs after catches.

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rcsodak
12-20-2011, 10:52 PM
Pretty much correct... but having three rookie safeties, and as someone pointed out - Tight Ends that were basically not covered - was key to their holding onto the ball so long after they got the lead.

Give me a healthy McGahee and Dawkins - and the game draws out just enough to get some pressure on Brady, and make some of those runs Tebow needs to work the option.

That is the Patriots after all. They are going to win a playoff game or two.... and unlike the other 6 teams before them; they took this game quite seriously. (OK maybe the Bears did.)

Don't know how to 'splain it but Tebow seems better today. It's like we're finally out of fantasy land and the kid still seems pretty good.

Having a slb that actually covers te's might help as well.
You cant expect shorter/lighter s's to do well against ne's te's.

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rcsodak
12-20-2011, 10:55 PM
6 trips to the red zone for Kyle Orton yesterday.

4 Field Goals
1 rushing TD


Same old Kyle.

Dave, they hadnt scored a TD in a year! Ok, exaggeration, but not really.
He DID beat the same team that killed denver.

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Davii
12-20-2011, 11:06 PM
Dave, they hadnt scored a TD in a year! Ok, exaggeration, but not really.
He DID beat the same team that killed denver.

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Did your red pom poms show up yet?

nevcraw
12-20-2011, 11:08 PM
Dave, they hadnt scored a TD in a year! Ok, exaggeration, but not really.
He DID beat the same team that killed denver.

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He did or did the defense??

camdisco24
12-20-2011, 11:09 PM
Dave, they hadnt scored a TD in a year! Ok, exaggeration, but not really.
He DID beat the same team that killed denver.

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Really hoping your Chiefs can pull off a win this weekend! I'll be rooting for them, BUT only for this week. :beer:

Davii
12-20-2011, 11:10 PM
He did or did the defense??

It's only a team win when Tebow wins a low scoring game. When Kyle does it it's called "neckbeard magic".

I Eat Staples
12-21-2011, 02:09 AM
The thought of beating a Kyle Orton led Chiefs team to clinch a playoff berth is highly appealing to me.

Here's to going 2-0 the rest of the Reg season!! :cheers:

After seeing them beat the Packers and Kyle playing extremely well in that game, I'm a lot more nervous than before. I don't care how much some of you hate Orton, he's worlds ahead of Palko. With Palko, that game is an easy win. With Orton, you never know.

Who the hell wants to hear vettesplus and rcs if we lose that game? Let's just worry about beating Buffalo first.

spikerman
12-21-2011, 06:36 AM
He DID beat the same team that killed denver.

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I think it's important to remember that when GB crushed Denver Orton was the Broncos' QB. If we're going to credit him for the victory he also has to take some of the blame for the loss. It also shows that there were obviously a lot of factors besides Orton for both.

Chef Zambini
12-21-2011, 10:23 AM
orton with time and space can carve up ANY defense between the 20's.
thats true of about 15 NFL QBs.
Time and space, are provided by the o-line PRIMARILY,
and the formations and play-calling TO A small degree.
without a run game or a supporting defense, QBs who throw 40+ times and for 300 yards are more often than not..LOSING QBs.
EVERY QB,
from rogers to tebow to orton needs a team to bring home a victory.
simple minded football fans can only see the QB as the component that seperates his team from winning or losing.
My primary example?
Steve Young.

catfish
12-21-2011, 11:27 AM
orton with time and space can carve up ANY defense between the 20's.
thats true of about 15 NFL QBs.
Time and space, are provided by the o-line PRIMARILY,
and the formations and play-calling TO A small degree.
without a run game or a supporting defense, QBs who throw 40+ times and for 300 yards are more often than not..LOSING QBs.
EVERY QB,
from rogers to tebow to orton needs a team to bring home a victory.
simple minded football fans can only see the QB as the component that seperates his team from winning or losing.
My primary example?
Steve Young.

Interesting point, to reinforce that Statement Cam Newton managed to pull one out against the Texans last week...he went 13/23 for 149 yard and no picks

vandammage13
12-21-2011, 03:42 PM
After seeing them beat the Packers and Kyle playing extremely well in that game, I'm a lot more nervous than before. I don't care how much some of you hate Orton, he's worlds ahead of Palko. With Palko, that game is an easy win. With Orton, you never know.

Who the hell wants to hear vettesplus and rcs if we lose that game? Let's just worry about beating Buffalo first.

I know all KO does is win games, but he doesn't scare me all that much more than Palko does.

Cugel
12-21-2011, 04:02 PM
Denver should beat KC and win the division. It's at home after all and they usually manage to beat KC at home. Kyle Orton won't affect things that much. I suppose he'd have some advantage over the defense because he's faced them much of the year in practice. But, they know him too so that equals out.

BUT anybody who thinks this team is going anywhere in the playoffs after watching the Patriots dismantle them is higher than Timothy Leary!

http://www.freewebs.com/syvak/4%20Philosophers/Timothy_Leary.jpg

KCL
12-21-2011, 04:12 PM
I know all KO does is win games, but he doesn't scare me all that much more than Palko does.

Did you watch any games with Palko playing? :laugh:

Every time he threw the ball I had to look away...lol

vandammage13
12-21-2011, 04:12 PM
Denver should beat KC and win the division. It's at home after all and they usually manage to beat KC at home. Kyle Orton won't affect things that much. I suppose he'd have some advantage over the defense because he's faced them much of the year in practice. But, they know him too so that equals out.

BUT anybody who thinks this team is going anywhere in the playoffs after watching the Patriots dismantle them is higher than Timothy Leary!
http://www.freewebs.com/syvak/4%20Philosophers/Timothy_Leary.jpg

I must be high then, because I think this team can make some noise provided that they don't turn the ball over too much like last week.

Cugel
12-21-2011, 04:20 PM
I must be high then, because I think this team can make some noise provided that they don't turn the ball over too much like last week.

"The Brown acid is not too good." -- Waavy Gravy

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TXBRONC
12-21-2011, 06:50 PM
Dave, they hadnt scored a TD in a year! Ok, exaggeration, but not really.
He DID beat the same team that killed denver.

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Orton was the starting quaterback when Denver was beat by the Packers in Green Bay and he was terrible that day.

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KCL
12-21-2011, 07:11 PM
Orton was the starting quaterback when Denver was beat by the Packers in Green Bay and he was terrible that day.

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How did the rest of the team do? I didn't see that game.

rcsodak
12-21-2011, 07:39 PM
Did your red pom poms show up yet?
No. But your bloomers did, i hear.

:coffee:

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rcsodak
12-21-2011, 07:40 PM
He did or did the defense??
High %, 299yds. I'd say he played a large part in it. Wouldnt you?

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rcsodak
12-21-2011, 07:41 PM
Really hoping your Chiefs can pull off a win this weekend! I'll be rooting for them, BUT only for this week. :beer:

You kids are all very funny. Really. You should take in on the road.


Really.

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rcsodak
12-21-2011, 07:43 PM
It's only a team win when Tebow wins a low scoring game. When Kyle does it it's called "neckbeard magic".
When TT beats a quality team, passes for 70%, he'll get his due from me. ;')

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rcsodak
12-21-2011, 07:46 PM
I think it's important to remember that when GB crushed Denver Orton was the Broncos' QB. If we're going to credit him for the victory he also has to take some of the blame for the loss. It also shows that there were obviously a lot of factors besides Orton for both.
Sure there are. And i'm one of the only ones that accounts for them, week in/out.

Kc has a better OC/DC/run game/te's/wr's/OL/DL at this point.

As i said, i'm hoping denver beats buff this weekend and kc beats oak. Otherwise....... :eek:

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catfish
12-21-2011, 07:47 PM
When TT beats a quality team, passes for 70%, he'll get his due from me. ;')

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define quality team please

rcsodak
12-21-2011, 07:51 PM
Orton was the starting quaterback when Denver was beat by the Packers in Green Bay and he was terrible that day.

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Tx, the TEAM was terrible that day.

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rcsodak
12-21-2011, 08:09 PM
define quality team please
13-0 GB

PITT
NE
BAL
NO

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catfish
12-21-2011, 08:13 PM
13-0 GB

PITT
NE
BAL
NO

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thats a pretty high bar on decent...the 70% one game or for the whole year?

TXBRONC
12-21-2011, 08:15 PM
Tx, the TEAM was terrible that day.

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And lets Orton off the hook? I don't think so.

rcsodak
12-22-2011, 02:40 AM
thats a pretty high bar on decent...the 70% one game or for the whole year?
I said a quality team, and i mentioned them. Take your pick. And orton could do it and evidently sucks, so why not expect it of TT.

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rcsodak
12-22-2011, 02:41 AM
And lets Orton off the hook? I don't think so.read what you want, tx.

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catfish
12-22-2011, 07:01 AM
I said a quality team, and i mentioned them. Take your pick. And orton could do it and evidently sucks, so why not expect it of TT.

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no need to get upset, I feel there are other quality teams out there, but everyone is entitled to set their own bar. To my knowledge I never knocked Orton, I have always thought he was a pretty capable game manager and that this teams problems on offense were not at the QB position

Joel
12-22-2011, 11:57 AM
When TT beats a quality team, passes for 70%, he'll get his due from me. ;')
So Drew Brees is the only good NFL QB? He's the only one with >70% completions.

As far as "quality teams," I agree with catfish you set the bar too high. The Raiders are a good but not great team, as are the Jets (can't include the Bears in their current state.)

It's back to the same old thing, really: Those convinced Tebow is hopeless will discount his contributions when we win and talk about nothing else when we lose; those convinced he's a Hall of Famer will do the opposite. Most of us are somewhere in the middle, which means taking fire from both sides with the comfort of knowing one of them will eventually and eternally say, "I told you so" no matter what happens.

Chef Zambini
12-22-2011, 01:03 PM
if we can win a play-off game with tebow this season i will be convinced.
For now, I am only concerned with beating buffalo.
one miracle at a time.

rcsodak
12-22-2011, 03:12 PM
no need to get upset, I feel there are other quality teams out there, but everyone is entitled to set their own bar. To my knowledge I never knocked Orton, I have always thought he was a pretty capable game manager and that this teams problems on offense were not at the QB position

lol. Sorry if you thought I was upset. Didn't think I was. ;)
Just answered your question.

catfish
12-22-2011, 03:15 PM
lol. Sorry if you thought I was upset. Didn't think I was. ;)
Just answered your question.

fair enough, sometimes tone can be misconstrued in text...my bad. I apologize

rcsodak
12-22-2011, 03:16 PM
So Drew Brees is the only good NFL QB? He's the only one with >70% completions.

As far as "quality teams," I agree with catfish you set the bar too high. The Raiders are a good but not great team, as are the Jets (can't include the Bears in their current state.)

It's back to the same old thing, really: Those convinced Tebow is hopeless will discount his contributions when we win and talk about nothing else when we lose; those convinced he's a Hall of Famer will do the opposite. Most of us are somewhere in the middle, which means taking fire from both sides with the comfort of knowing one of them will eventually and eternally say, "I told you so" no matter what happens.

Well, I'm not AGAINST TT. He is, afterall, our team's starting QB, and I usually back them (not cutler).
I just grow tired of all the accolades he receives for throwing for 195yds in a game, and/or 40-50% completions.

My 70% was in reference to Orton's vs the best team in the league. Yes, it was just one game, but it was also his FIRST game with them. That just makes the accomplishment even more convincing.

Do I think TT will ever get there? mmmmmmmm...I dunno. I can hope so, as does the rest of the team's fans.

Joel
12-22-2011, 08:52 PM
Well, I'm not AGAINST TT. He is, afterall, our team's starting QB, and I usually back them (not cutler).
I just grow tired of all the accolades he receives for throwing for 195yds in a game, and/or 40-50% completions.

My 70% was in reference to Orton's vs the best team in the league. Yes, it was just one game, but it was also his FIRST game with them. That just makes the accomplishment even more convincing.

Do I think TT will ever get there? mmmmmmmm...I dunno. I can hope so, as does the rest of the team's fans.
Well... there are accolades and there are accolades. A lot of Tebows getting so far are because the bar was already set so LOW for him, and he's been raising it each week. He still needs work, but not much at this point, and for a second year QB with a dozen starts, he's come farther than most. He DOES need better pocket presence, but the accuracy itself isn't bad, and the reads and progressions at game speed are getting better. IF he continues to improve, we'll be in good shape by the middle of next season; if not, we'll probably be considering other options.

As far as Ortons 70% accuracy: I do think he has a better line in KC, in part because they re-signed Wiegmann after we released him in favor of Walton (oops.) That game was won with running and D though, which is less about Tebow or Orton than the line and the backs.

KCL
12-22-2011, 11:18 PM
As far as Ortons 70% accuracy: I do think he has a better line in KC, in part because they re-signed Wiegmann after we released him in favor of Walton (oops.) That game was won with running and D though, which is less about Tebow or Orton than the line and the backs.

I agree on the D part..they had a good game.

They had a total of 144 rushing yards and 299 of receiving yards.