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[MOtorboat]

The mantra of the board seems to be "attack the post, not the poster."

At what point, does the repeated opinions of individuals become an indictment of their individual posts? Do repeated opinions not induce an opinion of said poster? Why can that not be pointed out within the rules of this board's CoC?

If someone repeatedly posts mis-truths, lies, propaganda and paranoia, at what point can I call him an idiot?

[deacon]

The mantra of the board seems to be "attack the post, not the poster."

At what point, does the repeated opinions of individuals become an indictment of their individual posts? Do repeated opinions not induce an opinion of said poster? Why can that not be pointed out within the rules of this board's CoC?

If someone repeatedly posts mis-truths, lies, propaganda and paranoia, at what point can I call him an idiot?

You can't call someone an idiot. That would be wrong as it might stultify his little id.
But you can probably get away with hinting about his ability to grasp complex ideas.

:dance:

[gnomeflinger]

The mantra of the board seems to be "attack the post, not the poster."

At what point, does the repeated opinions of individuals become an indictment of their individual posts? Do repeated opinions not induce an opinion of said poster? Why can that not be pointed out within the rules of this board's CoC?

If someone repeatedly posts mis-truths, lies, propaganda and paranoia, at what point can I call him an idiot?

WTH are you talking about???

Does this count? :D

[Dreadnought]

The way I interpret the rules as they stand now that point can never be reached.

Just as a personal note, my own thinking is that as soon as a poster calls another a name they just lost the argument, and I tune out whatever else they might have to say regardless of the merits. Worst of all is when a poster is repeatedly rude or sarcastic and then excuses it or even pats themselves on the back for "telling it like it is" or "refusing to be PC" or "calling it like I see it." I disagree. It just proves they can't actualy make a point or construct an argument - and they forfeit the contest at that point.

[BroncoJoe]

MB, what is up with all these rants lately?

[NightTrainLayne]

Hey guys, this is in the Town Hall forum. Let's keep it on topic please.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

I have had my fair share of run-in's on the forum in this regard, and after some talks with some pals and higher ups Missouri -- if someone is just bothering you or making you mad, ignore them and report them. You don't have to go to their level. Just place 'em on ignore. Don't call them idiots or anything. It doesn't reflect well upon you. This I have learned the hard way. Missouri, just be a good Ewok and defend Endor.

[OB]

The mantra of the board seems to be "attack the post, not the poster."

At what point, does the repeated opinions of individuals become an indictment of their individual posts? Do repeated opinions not induce an opinion of said poster? Why can that not be pointed out within the rules of this board's CoC?

If someone repeatedly posts mis-truths, lies, propaganda and paranoia, at what point can I call him an idiot?

Ummm you call me one all the time - so whats the problem :confused:

[Dreadnought]

:throwrock:

Post reported. We'll see if you have faith THEN.

Claymore doesn't so much have opinions as impulses, which he always acts on immediately and without fail

[frauschieze]

Claymore doesn't so much have opinions as impulses, which he always acts on immediately and without fail

Gee.....ya think? :laugh:

[Thnikkaman]

Ummm you call me one all the time - so whats the problem :confused:

Your ego isn't shattered every time Mo calls you one.

[NightTrainLayne]

Please folks. This is the Town Hall, let's try and stay on topic here. When folks start a thread here, they have a serious issue to discuss, and it's kind of disrespectful to derail the thread.

[OB]

OK - but Im serious - he has called me one - big deal - i think its only a problem if the person who gets called one is offended and tattles (and it gets past the mods)

IDK - can you call them something else like buttmunch or maybe we can have a smilie that indicates you think the person is an idiot w/o actually saying it

[Dreadnought]

OK - but Im serious - he has called me one - big deal - i think its only a problem if the person who gets called one is offended and tattles (and it gets past the mods)

IDK - can you call them something else like buttmunch or maybe we can have a smilie that indicates you think the person is an idiot w/o actually saying it

Thats a good point. One of the judgement calls we have to make as Mods is when is this kind of stuff just two buddies snapping (virtual) towels at each others asses - which we have no desire to stop - and when are the insults serious. I've even seen where things start good natured and escalate until someone is pissed off. We are sometimes off base on this, too. You can see a post that you assume is good natured, and then 2 hours later it gets reported, and if that is from the target obviously I guessed wrong.

One other note - some people don't want to report posts. That's their right. It still doesn't mean that it ought to be open season on them. Honestly, I think a lot of posters will report stuff targeted at another poster rather than themselves, but will not report a post that attacked them directly

[claymore]

Thats a good point. One of the judgement calls we have to make as Mods is when is this kind of stuff just two buddies snapping (virtual) towels at each others asses - which we have no desire to stop - and when are the insults serious. I've even seen where things start good natured and escalate until someone is pissed off. We are sometimes off base on this, too. You can see a post that you assume is good natured, and then 2 hours later it gets reported, and if that is from the target obviously I guessed wrong.

What if a mod calls you a retard in a PM. If you were innocentley following the rules?

[Zweems56]

What if a mod calls you a retard in a PM. If you were innocentley following the rules?

Then you're probably a retard.

[topscribe]

What if a mod calls you a retard in a PM. If you were innocentley following the rules?

Same thing. PMs are still part of the board and subject to moderation.

One thing we wanted from the start, that is not obvious on a lot of other
boards, is mutual respect. If a poster does not want to respect others,
he/she is not wanted here. Bottom line.

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[OB]

Same thing. PMs are still part of the board and subject to moderation.

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They arent PRIVATE :eek:





















quick Clay - DELETE DELETE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SR]

I've never been one to just flat out unleash my fury on people, but I think if someone is genuinely an idiot, they reserve the right to be called out on it. I wouldn't say anything to someone on the net that I wouldn't say to their face, but calling someone an idiot is an opinion, and like all matters on this board within the CoC that are opinionated, calling someone an idiot, moron, dolt, dumbass, etc, shouldn't be out of line so long as it doesn't escalate in to a big lambasting.

[Dreadnought]

They arent PRIVATE :eek:



quick Clay - DELETE DELETE!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are, and we can't read them. However, if a member reports an attack via PM and forwards us the PM then we apply the CoC to it. The same applies to a negative comment via MHS, which Tned (but not the Mods) CAN see. In fact, we consider those much more serious infractions than an attack in the open forum. The reason is simple; in order for a PM to be reported the recipient must obviously have done the reporting, and this removes their protection of anonymity. Most open forum attacks are reported by third parties, though I've seen cases where an offender simply assumes thier target was the one who reported. That cannot be true of a PM or MHS.

[topscribe]

They arent PRIVATE :eek:





















quick Clay - DELETE DELETE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Absolutely. No one can read them except you and your recipient.

But they can be reported. The only difference is, it will be well known who reported it.

So think twice before you report my insults. :heh:

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[Buff]

Reporting posts is lame. That's my opinion.

[claymore]

Reporting posts is lame. That's my opinion.

Ive done it twice. Once was extremley cruel on another MB... and I dont really know if the second time happened.

[BroncoJoe]

Reporting posts is lame. That's my opinion.

Post reported.

[Dreadnought]

Reporting posts is lame. That's my opinion.

Do you think its more lame than seeing somebody get bullied and insulted and simply ignoring it? I can't understand that thinking Buff, but then I have never had any respect for "Codes of Silence" and such.

FTR, I've never myself once seen you make a post that was out of line

[claymore]

Do you think its more lame than seeing somebody get bullied and insulted and simply ignoring it? I can't understand that thinking Buff, but then I have never had any respect for "Codes of Silence" and such.

FTR, I've never myself once seen you make a post that was out of line

Has anyone ever been bullied here though?


J/K

:D

[SR]

If someone is really getting butt hurt over being "bullied" by a stranger on the internet, they are an idiot.

[Buff]

Do you think its more lame than seeing somebody get bullied and insulted and simply ignoring it? I can't understand that thinking Buff, but then I have never had any respect for "Codes of Silence" and such.

FTR, I've never myself once seen you make a post that was out of line

I just think that people ought to be able to handle their own problems in an online message board format. If you are being bullied or assaulted, you ought to handle it yourself, or take a look in the mirror and figure out why you're being treated that way. (I just don't buy into the idea that if someone insults me, I ought to call someone else to punish them... Call it a macho thing, or a maturity issue, or code of silence, or whatever... But it just doesn't appeal to me.)

I think moderators are a good idea for extreme circumstances where someone is completely having their message board experience ruined over an extended period of time, or in cases where specific threats are made, or in cases of SPAM (which is the only thing I report)...

But by and large the feature is used as a means of tattling on someone over rather mundane or trivial issues, and I find that to be juvenile and lame. Especially 3rd party reporting on behalf of someone else... People ought to just mind their own business.

[Nomad]

If someone is really getting butt hurt over being "bullied" by a stranger on the internet, they are an idiot.

To the point and right on the money, well said SR!

[BroncoJoe]

Nice first post, DB. Which one are you?

[Hobe]

Words convey thoughts and ideas. However, people try to use them to convey emotions; and words cannot do that. I repeat, words cannot communicate emotions. I just doesn’t work, but that doesn’t stop us when words are all we have, like on this board. To try and force emotions into words we use stronger words; idiot, fool, retard. We write them with emotions, but the ideas behind them are what is read not your emotions.

As MB put, “The mantra of the board seems to be ‘attack the post, not the poster.’” This means stay with ideas not emotions. Fat chance, huh!

Don’t want to lecture, just putting out some thoughts.

[Slick]

I just think that people ought to be able to handle their own problems in an online message board format. If you are being bullied or assaulted, you ought to handle it yourself, or take a look in the mirror and figure out why you're being treated that way. (I just don't buy into the idea that if someone insults me, I ought to call someone else to punish them... Call it a macho thing, or a maturity issue, or code of silence, or whatever... But it just doesn't appeal to me.)

I think moderators are a good idea for extreme circumstances where someone is completely having their message board experience ruined over an extended period of time, or in cases where specific threats are made, or in cases of SPAM (which is the only thing I report)...

But by and large the feature is used as a means of tattling on someone over rather mundane or trivial issues, and I find that to be juvenile and lame. Especially 3rd party reporting on behalf of someone else... People ought to just mind their own business.
QFT!

I've reported a few posts, but those were the spam bot variety, "buy Viagra" or some shit like that, I don't think I've sen any of that in a while. Tned must have tightened the security.

[BeefStew25]

I think we should be a diverse and loving place where we accept those different than us and live in a harmonic bliss and pet butterflies and lick frozen fence posts.

[BeefStew25]

Slick, I want to lick your frozen fence post.

[BeefStew25]

I guess Slick is not interested.

[Slick]

You only want me when it's convenient for you beefcake. I have needs too.

[Slick]

Wow, I expected a shut up bitch and go fix me a turkey pot pie, or something along those lines. I guess beef doesn't do needy.

[slim]

Wow, I expected a shut up bitch and go fix me a turkey pot pie, or something along those lines. I guess beef doesn't do needy.

Shut up, bitch.

[BeefStew25]

I just had a pot pie at Boston Market.

[claymore]

I just had a pot pie at Boston Market.

How was it? I never want to waste my pick on the pot pie.

[gnomeflinger]

I just had a pot pie at Boston Market.

I call that place the Bo Chick.

[BeefStew25]

How was it? I never want to waste my pick on the pot pie.

I think they throw in the chickens ass hole and taint to the pot pies. Other than that, it was great.

[Tned]

I think we have become is intolerant and polarized.

A rough Broncos season, combined with a very LONG and polarizing Presidential election has left this message board very polarized and has left MANY people extremely intolerant of anyone that has a viewpoint that is not 100% in line with their own.

I think somewhere along the line, we may have forgotten that the primary reason people come to a football message board (or other, non-technical message boards for that matter) is to share their opinion on subjects or read other people's opinions on subject.

Where does it stop?

Do we start to create polls to determine WHAT positions on a subject are 'proper', and anyone that diverges from that should be called an idiot or have their post deleted? So, do we start by creating a poll and decide whether or not Marshall is an 'elite' WR. If the poll is more than 50% "yes", then anyone that criticizes Marshall is open for being called an idiot for having a 'different' opinion?

Again, where does it stop?

Do some of you really want a message board where everyone posts the EXACT same opinions, so that what we get is one post touting Cutler, or Obama, or some other topic, and then 100 posts that follow with things like, "you are 100% correct", "you nailed that", "I couldn't agree more". Sounds pretty damn boring to me.

I will be posting this in the other thread as well in Town Hall, to get reaction on what people think and want.

Do we want a Stepford posters version of BroncosForums, or do we want to continue to have diverse ideas and opinions posted?

[claymore]

I think we have become is intolerant and polarized.

A rough Broncos season, combined with a very LONG and polarizing Presidential election has left this message board very polarized and has left MANY people extremely intolerant of anyone that has a viewpoint that is not 100% in line with their own.

I think somewhere along the line, we may have forgotten that the primary reason people come to a football message board (or other, non-technical message boards for that matter) is to share their opinion on subjects or read other people's opinions on subject.

Where does it stop?

Do we start to create polls to determine WHAT positions on a subject are 'proper', and anyone that diverges from that should be called an idiot or have their post deleted? So, do we start by creating a poll and decide whether or not Marshall is an 'elite' WR. If the poll is more than 50% "yes", then anyone that criticizes Marshall is open for being called an idiot for having a 'different' opinion?

Again, where does it stop?

Do some of you really want a message board where everyone posts the EXACT same opinions, so that what we get is one post touting Cutler, or Obama, or some other topic, and then 100 posts that follow with things like, "you are 100% correct", "you nailed that", "I couldn't agree more". Sounds pretty damn boring to me.

I will be posting this in the other thread as well in Town Hall, to get reaction on what people think and want.

Do we want a Stepford posters version of BroncosForums, or do we want to continue to have diverse ideas and opinions posted?

IMO the only way to this problem is to compartmentalize the board more by post count, and opt in access.

Members with more than a couple thousand posts shouldnt be getting offended as easily as someone with a few hundred.

And Members shouldnt be as hard on a poster with less than a couple thousand posts..... Unless their name is West. He deserves it.

Its not a smut board, but it is a board that is made up of adults..... We should be able to say what we want in the right areas, and we should be able to deal with people disagreeing with what we say.

Until they invent a way to stab someone on the internet, I think we can handle some temper's flairing up, and some feelings hurt....

[NightTrainLayne]

IMO the only way to this problem is to compartmentalize the board more by post count, and opt in access.

Members with more than a couple thousand posts shouldnt be getting offended as easily as someone with a few hundred.

And Members shouldnt be as hard on a poster with less than a couple thousand posts..... Unless their name is West. He deserves it.

Its not a smut board, but it is a board that is made up of adults..... We should be able to say what we want in the right areas, and we should be able to deal with people disagreeing with what we say.

Until they invent a way to stab someone on the internet, I think we can handle some temper's flairing up, and some feelings hurt....

What's funny about this is that it seems that a lot of the problems we have (reported posts etc) come from members with a lot of posts/high post count.

It seems that the newer posters a lot of times do a better job of trying to get along than some of the older one's do. Just my humble opinion.

[claymore]

What's funny about this is that it seems that a lot of the problems we have (reported posts etc) come from members with a lot of posts/high post count.

It seems that the newer posters a lot of times do a better job of trying to get along than some of the older one's do. Just my humble opinion.

We may need to weed the herd. Draft for talent instead of need etc... :D

[turftoad]

Why can't we draft talented needs??

I mean, there WILL be some good talent in every round for the positions we NEED.

[BeefStew25]

I say ban Mo for like a week and take his post count to zero.

[BeefStew25]

You are welcome.