Tim Tebow Haters/Supporters/Converts Blacklist

[TimHippo]

Feel free to update or add haters and supporters or video/audio links and I will update the main list.

Followers/Supporters (from Day 1):
Mike Ditka
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgboIo5X8PQ
vs Merrill Hoge & Bill Parcells NFL Countdown (12/11/11):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoDE-ETP7WU&feature=player_embedded
vs Mike & Mike Radio (12/12/11):
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7344398
Mike Dikta Christmas Carol 12/25/11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSloG0FxjKw
Mike Ditka on Mike & Mike: (1/9/12) Post Steelers:
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7441445

Skip Bayless
vs Jalen Rose (4/29/09):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNlpBlooYB0
vs Jemelle Hill (8/19/09)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FHHnpFrWw4
vs Chris Bosh & Kordell Stewart: (9/14/11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf62K3yfKmM
vs. Doug Evans & (10/12/11) Pre Miami
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Vdukz1CY8&feature=related
vs Stephen A. Smith (10/26/11) Post Miami:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9odRDxWp6xw
vs Chris Carter Part 1 (10/31/11) Post Detroit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px9rhxTsRIs&feature=related
vs Chris Carter Part 2 (10/31/11) Post Detroit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8ob3EIKoXQ&feature=related
vs Chris Carter Part 3 (10/31/11) Post Detroit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH618ca-9Kc&feature=related
vs Stephen A Smith Post (11/9/11) Oakland:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVpRF8_APPs
vs Stephen A Smith Backstage(11/11/11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPkJyxlD0U4&feature=related
vs Tim Tebow (11/22/11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7JN2gUMtew
vs Ryan Stewart & Eric Mangini (11/28/11) Post San Diego:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyEsTdC9rjc
vs Stephen A Smith (11/30/11) Post San Diego:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4unNT6t7vM
vs Stephen A Smith (12/5/11) Post Minnesota:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MyG92SA16E
"All he does is win" Autotune: (12/12/11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMK9FKMG3Nc&feature=player_embedded
vs Stephen A Smith (12/12/11) Post Chicago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7QIUXNgqMI
vs Chris Carter & Stephen A Smith (12/13/11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im6ys2pgG44
vs Joe Budden (12/14/11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRyKSJ3hv4s&feature=related
vs Stephen A Smith (12/15/11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nx5BvR0OIw
vs Jon Ritchie and Ryan Stewart (12/19/11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCwBqQ2KHnQ
vs. Stephen A Smith (1/2/12)
vs Skip Bayless (1/2/12) Post KC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyTxnxX6oaI

Joe Montana:
http://www.msg.com/videos/the-dan-patrick-show-joe-montana-824-1.72326

Herman Edwards:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGRk8cERPuE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hNtDo2UHoY

Tony Dungy

Jon Gruden

Chris Collinsworth (transparency: Florida Gator alum)

Marcellus Wiley

Tim Hasselbeck

Charles Davis (NFL Network)

John Madden:
11/18/11:
http://siriusxmsports.posterous.com/hear-nfl-legend-john-maddens-take-on-tim-tebo

Michael Irvin
1/8/12 Post Steelers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkFofa0tWn4

Phoenix Sun Head Coach Alvin Gentry (1/9/12):
http://valleyofthesuns.com/2012/01/08/alvin-gentry-loves-tim-tebow/#ixzz1iyhmKtbo

Bonus:
Tebow entering Stadium 1/8/12 Pre Steelers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5z9d39N5gY

Broncos Behind the Scenes Lockerroom 1/8/12 Post Steelers:
http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/videos/BTV-Exclusive-Postgame-Celebration/5a6b204a-ab56-4cae-a56a-1ded245a73ee

ESPN's Wildcard Tebow Mania (Bayless vs All Haters): 1/10/12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mUk-ZnzTL8

Tim Tebow Movie Trailer (Extended)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljic3_THGz0&list=UUQ_jBtD8tlspQOOf4L1xPuw&index=1&feature=plcp


Hater Converts
http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt57/VampyreAlhazred/Misc/Crow-Twitter-OnMouseOver.png


Hugh Douglass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQgwWHU617k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X4C-dre0O0


Cugel


Haters/Non Believers on the Fence:

Claymore

Haters/Non Believers:[/U]


Stephen A. Smith (Hater to On the Fence back to Hater):
vs Skip Bayless (10/26/11) Post Miami:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9odRDxWp6xw
vs Skip Bayless Post (11/9/11) Oakland:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVpRF8_APPs
vs Skip Bayless (11/30/11) Post San Diego:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4unNT6t7vM
vs Skip Bayless (12/5/11) Post Minnesota:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MyG92SA16E
vs Skip Bayless (12/12/11) Post Chicago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7QIUXNgqMI
vs Skip Bayless (12/15/11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nx5BvR0OIw
vs Skip Bayless (1/2/12) Post KC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyTxnxX6oaI

Merrill Hoge (Hater to convert back to Hater):
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7344404
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCwlMHmngFM
12/28/11 Post Buffalo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUcrpfOkMIQ


Boomer Esiason (Hater to on the fence back to Hater):
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/mccarthy/story/2011-08-23/CBS-Sports-analysts-cool-on-Tim-Tebows-NFL-chances/50111678/1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRznqSw_9Ao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTCvLsEWDpo
Pre Steelers "Broncos are a layup" (starts at 3 mintues):
http://audio.weei.com/a/50417966/boomer-esiason-previews-wild-card-weekend-in-the-nfl-and-talks-about-the-patriots-chances-of-making-to-the-super-bowl.htm
1/4/12 Pre Steelers: "Tebow's in over his head, I told you so" (starts at 4.59 minutes):
http://audio.weei.com/a/50417968/boomer-esiason-chats-about-matt-flynn-the-nfl-coaching-situation-tim-tebow-and-the-winter-classic.htm
1/9/12 Post Steelers: Boomer can't admit he's wrong: (starts at 0 minutes, and also at 9:19 )
http://audio.weei.com/a/50532722/boomer-esiason-chats-about-tim-tebow-tom-brady-the-pittsburgh-steelers-and-the-new-york-giants.htm

Trent Dilfer

Tom Jackson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMdnOi2u8tQ

Keyshawn Johnson

Chris Carter
vs Skip Bayless Part 1 (10/31/11) Post Detroit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px9rhxTsRIs&feature=related
vs Skip Bayless Part 2 (10/31/11) Post Detroit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8ob3EIKoXQ&feature=related
vs Skip Bayless Part 3 (10/31/11) Post Detroit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH618ca-9Kc&feature=related
vs SkipBayless & Stephen A Smith (12/13/11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im6ys2pgG44

Kordell Stewart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d_L_cMnDhM&feature=related

Jim Rome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCwlMHmngFM


Colin Cowhered:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRLuOVt5lk0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRLuOVt5lk0

Terry Bollea "Hulk Hogan" 10/12/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwkUJiD90s

Terrell Suggs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqzKsrK4hSY

Joe Budden:
vs Skip Bayless (12/14/11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRyKSJ3hv4s&feature=related

Rob Parker:
vs Skip Bayles, Eric Mangini (11/1/11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSE01rhOqrI

Bomani Jones:

Tom Waddle:

Jon Ritchie:

Doug Evans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Vdukz1CY8&feature=related

[Cugel]

Why does any of this matter? It's utterly idiotic!

You do realize that the minute Tebow has a bad game all the columnists and sports-writers will be saying "this proves he sucks as I've said all along!"

Terry Bradshaw was calling him a "college QB" two weeks ago. Today he's not saying anything. But, next week if the Broncos lose to the Patriots it will be "Tebow can never be a winner." :ranger:

In truth the jury is still out on Tebow. Things look good right now. Well, they looked pretty good the first 6 games of 2009 with Kyle Orton too. That didn't last, and this winning streak might not either.

But, that's not how to measure this team. The key question is "Can Tebow improve as a passer enough so that he can become a decent pocket passing QB who occasionally runs with the ball?" Or not.

So far he's shown signs of improvement on almost a weekly basis. So, he merits another year to learn to be an effective NFL QB. Hopefully in the off-season he can concentrate on his mechanics to clean up footwork and his passing accuracy and study film so he can learn to recognize coverages better.

[TimHippo]

You do realize that the minute Tebow has a bad game all the columnists and sports-writers will be saying "this proves he sucks as I've said all along!"
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Yes this is exactly why we need to catalogue who fall in what category. If someone switches back we can point to the video where he said something different.

Now go get Josh McDaniel's Shine Box!

[TXBRONC]

Feel free to update or add haters and supporters or video/audio links and I will update the main list.

Followers/Supporters (from Day 1):
Mike Ditka
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgboIo5X8PQ

Skip Bayless
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMK9FKMG3Nc&feature=player_embedded


Hater Converts
http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt57/VampyreAlhazred/Misc/Crow-Twitter-OnMouseOver.png
Merrill Hoge:
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7344404
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCwlMHmngFM

Hugh Douglass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGHrGEwsitA



Haters/Non Believers:
Stephen A Smith

Trent Dilfer

Tom Jackson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMdnOi2u8tQ

Keyshawn Johnson

Chris Carter

Kordell Stewart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d_L_cMnDhM&feature=related

Jim Rome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCwlMHmngFM

Steve Young


I wouldn't put Hoge of all people down as a hater/convert. I heard he back pedaled a little bit today on Mike and Mike but rest assured if we lose to the Patriots he'll be crowing about how much of an embarrassment Tebow is.

[slim]

Hater Converts: Cugel.

[wayninja]

This thread is silly. Who really cares what these people thought and when they thought it?

[Nomad]

I wouldn't put Hoge of all people down as a hater/convert. I heard he back pedaled a little bit today on Mike and Mike but rest assured if we lose to the Patriots he'll be crowing about how much of an embarrassment Tebow is.

Can't win them all and NE is supposed to be an elite team, in which the Patriots are supposed to beat the BRONCOS. It would be silly, imo, to call Tebow and co an embarassment getting beat by the Patriots

[TimHippo]

This thread is silly. Who really cares what these people thought and when they thought it?

You don't have to read it if you don't want to.

[bcbronc]

Put me down as a hater from day 1 as far as this thread is concerned. Completely retarded. Every player taken high in the draft will have pundits praise and pan him. Why is Tebow supposed to be different again?

[jhildebrand]

Putting people en masse in a category is not a good thing!

[TimHippo]

Why is Tebow supposed to be different again?

There are reasons for that which we really shouldn't get into unfortuantely.

[Slick]

He'll be traded next March and Elway will draft a pocket passing QB.


The Broncos have given up on Tim Tebow and are playing out the string. Why should they try to measure him by the standards of QBing success in the NFL? Why should they try to mold him into a pocket passing QB when it's blindingly obvious that he's hopeless at it?



If you want to waste your time pretending that Tebow has a future with the Denver Broncos by all means, knock yourself out.

Why is Tebow under such immediate pressure? Because Defenses are rushing 8 men and only keeping 3 in coverage.

Why are defenses able to rush 8 men? Because Tebow can't make throws downfield. Simple.

Take a wild guess who posted this...

:coffee:

[slim]

Take a wild guess who posted this...

:coffee:

MOrril Hoge?

[Nomad]

Take a wild guess who posted this...

:coffee:

A poster in this thread who likes coffee

[Dreadnought]

Take a wild guess who posted this...

:coffee:

Well, Slick, I can think of 3 or 4 possibilities. One of the features of the interwebz is that anything written there is forever, but, that said, I don't think I'll call anyone out in particular.

Put another way, and to paraphrase Ralphie's teacher in "A Christmas Story", I am sure the remorse those guys must feel now for the awful things they said is stronger than anything I could say...

[Nomad]

Well, Slick, I can think of 3 or 4 possibilities. One of the features of the interwebz is that anything written there is forever, but, that said, I don't think I'll call anyone out in particular.

Put another way, and to paraphrase Ralphie's teacher in "A Christmas Story", I am sure the remorse those guys must feel now for the awful things they said is stronger than anything I could say...

Yeah, I gave up on the BRONCOS to early last night but after the awful remorse, I had to call myself out.:lol:

[vandammage13]

Put me down as a hater from day 1 as far as this thread is concerned. Completely retarded. Every player taken high in the draft will have pundits praise and pan him. Why is Tebow supposed to be different again?

If you can't see how he was treated differently than other prospects from day 1 you are blind.

The critics wrote TT off before he even took a snap and didn't afford him the time to let him succeed or fail before passing their judgement.

Yes, all 1st rounders (especially QB's) are subject to criticism, but the level of criticism that was thrown at TT before he was even given a chance was unprecedented.

[TimHippo]

Stephen A Smith moves closer to a convert:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7QIUXNgqMI

[vandammage13]

Stephen A Smith moves closer to a convert:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7QIUXNgqMI

You should add Colin Cowherd to your hater blacklist.

[TimHippo]

If you can't see how he was treated differently than other prospects from day 1 you are blind.

The critics wrote TT off before he even took a snap and didn't afford him the time to let him succeed or fail before passing their judgement.

Yes, all 1st rounders (especially QB's) are subject to criticism, but the level of criticism that was thrown at TT before he was even given a chance was unprecedented.

Yup the abuse that Tebow took was almost criminal. "Doesn't know how to throw, awful mechanics, lowest QB IQ in the NFL, dumb, stupid, zero comprehension", etc, etc. In this politically correct world we live in, the experts were basically crossing the line when it came to Tebow and saying things that are rarely said about other super atheltic prospects.

[TimHippo]

Ditka on Bears-Broncos Game:
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7344398

[slim]

Haters/Non-Believers on the Fence: Claymore

[skins_fan82]

"Haters gonna hate....Tebow's gonna win" - ME :)

[Dreadnought]

Haters/Non-Believers on the Fence: Claymore

Nah, Clay loves him some Timmy Tebow. His hatred of Gator fanbois has him conflicted though. He just has an issue or two to work out, that's all

[nevcraw]

it would have been much better if the list was of posters here and when or if they drank from the fountain..
TimHippo since you decided to go the lazy route -- your new assigment is go back through every Tim Tebow thread and comment and put a together such a list. Please report back to me whe you have completed it and I will review for accuracy..

[slim]

it would have been much better if the list was of posters here and when or if they drank from the fountain..
TimHippo since you decided to go the lazy route -- your new assigment is go back through every Tim Tebow thread and comment and put a together such a list. Please report back to me whe you have completed it and I will review for accuracy..

TimHippo, I will help you get started.

Original Haters:
1. Cugel
2. NAMBLA900
3. RC
4. MOtoboat
5. Claymore


These 5 are easy to confuse (they are so much alike in posting style and such). So I wanted to get this started in order to avoid any confusion.

[Dreadnought]

TimHippo, I will help you get started.

Original Haters:
1. Cugel
2. NAMBLA900
3. RC
4. MOtoboat
5. Claymore


These 5 are easy to confuse (they are so much alike in posting style and such). So I wanted to get this started in order to avoid any confusion.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

No such list is complete without Rav, Lancane, and Link

[Dreadnought]

As a follow up, I think a lot of the Tebow skeptic crew suffer from something akin to battered fan syndrome, after watching Josh McDaniels nearly destroy our franchise. They simply had trouble being able to relate to the idea that there was this one single thing that McDaniels hadn't ruined. As it was McD who moved in the draft to take TT, it is totally understandable that to a lot of guys the default assumption would be that the pick was ruinously bad. Given the track record of picks like Alphonso Smith and Richard Quinn this is a perfectly rational response.

[TXBRONC]

Nah, Clay loves him some Timmy Tebow. His hatred of Gator fanbois has him conflicted though. He just has an issue or two to work out, that's all

It will take either decade's worth of psycho therapy or good swift kick in the nuts for him to get his issues worked out.

[nevcraw]

TimHippo, I will help you get started.

Original Haters:
1. Cugel
2. NAMBLA900
3. RC
4. MOtoboat
5. Claymore


These 5 are easy to confuse (they are so much alike in posting style and such). So I wanted to get this started in order to avoid any confusion.


Nambla900 LMFAO!!

[bcbronc]

If you can't see how he was treated differently than other prospects from day 1 you are blind.

The critics wrote TT off before he even took a snap and didn't afford him the time to let him succeed or fail before passing their judgement.

Yes, all 1st rounders (especially QB's) are subject to criticism, but the level of criticism that was thrown at TT before he was even given a chance was unprecedented.

I call bullshit. EVERY pick gets judged before they have time to succeed or fail, it's called NFLN, the internet, etc. Go read a couple threads on these boards, you'll see Ayers has been written off, Moreno, DT, Beadles, Rahim Moore, Eddie Royal, etc etc etc. It's NOT just Tebow.

The questions about Tebow's throwing mechanics were 100% justified; the questions whether his power running game would transfer to the pros were 100% justified; the questioning how much of his passing in college was due to the system and the superior talent was absolutely justified. Tebow's not anywhere near the first prospect to have questions like this asked about his game.

Pay attention as this year's draft approaches...every QB from Luck on up will have all their faults magnified, poked, prodded, and discussed ad nauseum. RBs will be said to be a product of their OL or weak competition, DL will be called workout warriors, CBs and WRs will be called divas and their character questioned. The technique and footwork of every player at every position will be scrutinized, questioned, insulted even.

The difference re: Tebow? Before he took his first snap as a Bronco, he had the highest selling jersey in the league and his fanbois absolutely foam at the mouth over any little criticism, blowing everything out of the water. Every drafted player on our roster (especially early picks) will have had their detractors at and immediately after their draft. Where's their threads??

[slim]

Nambla900 LMFAO!!

I wish I could take credit for that, but the credit belongs to a greater man than me.

[vandammage13]

I call bullshit. EVERY pick gets judged before they have time to succeed or fail, it's called NFLN, the internet, etc. Go read a couple threads on these boards, you'll see Ayers has been written off, Moreno, DT, Beadles, Rahim Moore, Eddie Royal, etc etc etc. It's NOT just Tebow.

The questions about Tebow's throwing mechanics were 100% justified; the questions whether his power running game would transfer to the pros were 100% justified; the questioning how much of his passing in college was due to the system and the superior talent was absolutely justified. Tebow's not anywhere near the first prospect to have questions like this asked about his game.

Pay attention as this year's draft approaches...every QB from Luck on up will have all their faults magnified, poked, prodded, and discussed ad nauseum. RBs will be said to be a product of their OL or weak competition, DL will be called workout warriors, CBs and WRs will be called divas and their character questioned. The technique and footwork of every player at every position will be scrutinized, questioned, insulted even.

The difference re: Tebow? Before he took his first snap as a Bronco, he had the highest selling jersey in the league and his fanbois absolutely foam at the mouth over any little criticism, blowing everything out of the water. Every drafted player on our roster (especially early picks) will have had their detractors at and immediately after their draft. Where's their threads??

Again, its not the criticism itself...it's the level of criticism.

It was certainly warranted to have questions on TT regarding the issues you stated, but the critics mostly spoke in finite terms in immediately saying TT would never make it in the league....There was no question about it; He was already doomed to fail as far as they were concerned.

And the difference with Tebow? I don't remember Merril Hoge going on a mindless rant about how it would be embarrassing for the Jags to think they could win with Blaine Gabbert. :coffee:

[TimHippo]

Again, its not the criticism itself...it's the level of criticism.

It was certainly warranted to have questions on TT regarding the issues you stated, but the critics mostly spoke in finite terms in immediately saying TT would never make it in the league....There was no question about it; He was already doomed to fail as far as they were concerned.

And the difference with Tebow? I don't remember Merril Hoge going on a mindless rant about how it would be embarrassing for the Jags to think they could win with Blaine Gabbert. :coffee:

Yup. And you don't see the national experts and critics say daily and every sunday that Gabbert or Vince Young sucks, that he can't make it.

The amount of abuse and the vitriol and outrage levelled at Tebow was on a completely different level than criticism levelled at other draft picks.

[Dzone]

Well hell, I like this thread. That is a great collection of videos. Thoroughly enjoyed watching those. Some are hilarious. How on earth did you come up with such a collection? That must have been a lot of work. Hell ya, thats why I come here to BF to get links to things. Thanks.

PS-maybe I need to get a life and stop watching so much Bronco stuff...lol

[TimHippo]

Added some new ones with date 12/13/11

[TXBRONC]

TimHippo, I will help you get started.

Original Haters:
1. Cugel
2. NAMBLA900
3. RC
4. MOtoboat
5. Claymore


These 5 are easy to confuse (they are so much alike in posting style and such). So I wanted to get this started in order to avoid any confusion.

RC is the most mind boggling because Tebow was picked by McDaniels whom he holds in high esteem.

[DenBronx]

I wanted us to draft Tebow....and actually wanted us to trade down to get picks and take him late in round 1(More than happy to show proof). That's exactlly what happened and I won't shy away that I originally thought it was a good idea.

Never was a huge supporter just thought he had a ton of upside and worth developing. Now that he's starting we can't turn back. He is showing that he's worth that 1st round pick and that he possibly is the long term future at QB for the Broncos.

The real question is though. If they were to do a redraft would teams draft him earlier in the 1st knowing what they know now? I think so. Jacksonville would gladly take him #10 overall to save that franchise. Del Rio is having nightmares over not taking him every night. Miami? Vikings? Raiders? (wouldnt have had to give a 1st and 2nd) Wash? I could go on and on...

[BroncoBJ]

:lol: I think this thread is great. :salute:

It should get a sticky imo. Always good to keep tabs on the doubters/haters. :elefant:

[TimHippo]

new one
Skip Bayless vs Joe Budden (in first post of thread)

[GEM]

TimHippo, I will help you get started.

Original Haters:
1. Cugel
2. NAMBLA900
3. RC
4. MOtoboat
5. Claymore


These 5 are easy to confuse (they are so much alike in posting style and such). So I wanted to get this started in order to avoid any confusion.

If that list were posters who want to physically hurt Josh McDaniels, Claymore would be numero uno.

[GEM]

RC is the most mind boggling because Tebow was picked by McDaniels whom he holds in high esteem.

But RC's man love for Orton runs deeper.

[SOCALORADO.]

This is a good list. These ******** who doubted Tebow should be shot and hung. (In that order.) Me on the other hand, being an ardent supporter and follower of Tebow just thinks this list should go to Guantanomo for official overview.

Man, i remember when i made that mock draft BEFORE the 2010 draft, and i hoped and hoped DEN would get the golden boy. Almost like Joshy took my mock and did everything possible to get the guys off it! LOL!
http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133351

Anyways, keep up the good work on these *******, non believers!
What a bunch of jerks!

[claymore]

I love Tebow. I just dont/didnt think he was a good QB. He is improving. His nice to haves are off the charts. His need to haves need some work.

He has grown on me, his legion of fan bois are still pfags.

I hate Josh McDaniels.

[SOCALORADO.]

I love Tebow. I just dont/didnt think he was a good QB. He is improving. His nice to haves are off the charts. His need to haves need some work.

He has grown on me, his legion of fan bois are still pfags.

I hate Josh McDaniels.

And another thing!...If i see just one more damn picture of Andrew Luck or Matt Barkley from you stupid doubters, i swear i am gonna find you and kick your butt 6 ways from sunday!
Those 2 loser pac 12 QBs could merge together like Voltron and they STILL WOULD NOT be able to hold Tebows nu.ts!!

[claymore]

And another thing!...If i see just one more damn picture of Andrew Luck or Matt Barkley from you stupid doubters, i swear i am gonna find you and kick your butt 6 ways from sunday!
Those 2 loser pac 12 QBs could merge together like Voltron and they STILL WOULD NOT be able to hold Tebows nu.ts!!

I thought that was you that was posting the picks?

[BigDaddyBronco]

I thought that was you that was posting the picks?

Clay, did I tell you that I have a parcel of Florida swampland that is going to be converted to the next Disney theme park? Send me a major credit card number and your social security number, and I'll tell you how you can get in on this deal.

[Dreadnought]

Clay, did I tell you that I have a parcel of Florida swampland that is going to be converted to the next Disney theme park? Send me a major credit card number and your social security number, and I'll tell you how you can get in on this deal.

Large busted Russian beauties need American Husbands! PM me for an email addy to PayPal...

[TimHippo]

Skip Bayles and Stephen A Smith talk about unleashing Tim Tebow (12/15/11)

[pikkiwoki]

Stephen A. Smith is no longer on the fence. He wavered a bit after the Bears game, but surprise surprise, he's back to digging for excuses as to why Tebow sucks. Put him back into the hater bin with the rest of the trash.

Also, put Rob Parker in there. He's been laying low the past few weeks, probably waiting for Tebow to lose a game before he crawls out of his hole.

Oh, Bomani Jones, put him in there, too.

[pikkiwoki]

And I don't think Hulk Hogan is a Tebow hater. He was just putting on a show to get attention, as wrestlers are wont to do. I don't think he was srs.

[GEM]

This is a good list. These ******** who doubted Tebow should be shot and hung. (In that order.) Me on the other hand, being an ardent supporter and follower of Tebow just thinks this list should go to Guantanomo for official overview.

Man, i remember when i made that mock draft BEFORE the 2010 draft, and i hoped and hoped DEN would get the golden boy. Almost like Joshy took my mock and did everything possible to get the guys off it! LOL!
http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133351

Anyways, keep up the good work on these *******, non believers!
What a bunch of jerks!


Weren't you the guy who posted all the pics of Luck and Barkley in every thread on the board? :confused:

[rationalfan]

two thoughts on this thread:

1. creating this list of haters/supporters only further underlines why the biggest problem with tebow isn't his arm or his outspoken faith; it's his fanboys. this list just reminds me of McCarthyism; and we know how well that turned out.

2. have any of the tebow fanatics stopped to consider that tebow, himself, would never label his haters like this? wouldn't tebow simply forgive? or, at least, show class by being tactful and polite?

[pikkiwoki]

two thoughts on this thread:

1. creating this list of haters/supporters only further underlines why the biggest problem with tebow isn't his arm or his outspoken faith; it's his fanboys. this list just reminds me of McCarthyism; and we know how well that turned out.

2. have any of the tebow fanatics stopped to consider that tebow, himself, would never label his haters like this? wouldn't tebow simply forgive? or, at least, show class by being tactful and polite?

Don't like the thread? Don't read it.

Simple as that. :welcome:

[rationalfan]

Yes this is exactly why we need to catalogue who fall in what category. If someone switches back we can point to the video where he said something different.

Now go get Josh McDaniel's Shine Box!

yes, this is a great idea, because punishing someone for changing their opinions after given more data is exactly what a HATER would do.

[rationalfan]

Don't like the thread? Don't read it.

Simple as that. :welcome:

if that logic was practiced by everyone here there would be 77 percent less comments on threads.

[pikkiwoki]

yes, this is a great idea, because punishing someone for changing their opinions after given more data is exactly what a HATER would do.

Well, if their original opinion was given in a tone of arrogant absolutism and derision, and then they come back and try to be sneaky by acting like they never said such things (Dilfer comes to mind), then yes, I think people would like to be made aware of those instances.

[pikkiwoki]

if that logic was practiced by everyone here there would be 77 percent less comments on threads.

And....?

[rationalfan]

And....?

well, then the relevance of this message board would decrease exponentially. we come here, partly, for the opposing viewpoints and the (supposedly) friendly discussions that follow. by suggesting people should only read what they like or are interested in limits the potential of this site and, frankly, nullifies the expansion of information that the internet provides.

[pikkiwoki]

well, then the relevance of this message board would decrease exponentially. we come here, partly, for the opposing viewpoints and the (supposedly) friendly discussions that follow. by suggesting people should only read what they like or are interested in limits the potential of this site and, frankly, nullifies the expansion of information that the internet provides.

I'm curious. When there's a show on your TV that you don't like, what ever do you do? :confused:

[TimHippo]

two thoughts on this thread:

1. creating this list of haters/supporters only further underlines why the biggest problem with tebow isn't his arm or his outspoken faith; it's his fanboys. this list just reminds me of McCarthyism; and we know how well that turned out.

2. have any of the tebow fanatics stopped to consider that tebow, himself, would never label his haters like this? wouldn't tebow simply forgive? or, at least, show class by being tactful and polite?

Well it figures. You are a Tebow Hater and an Ultra Pro Josh McDaniels fan so I can see where you would not want people to remember what you said before.

Frankly, I find you have zero credibility when your expert analysis held Josh McDaniels in such high regard.

[rationalfan]

I'm curious. When there's a show on your TV that you don't like, what ever do you do? :confused:

that's a faulty comparison. i come to this board because i have an interest in the broncos. therefore, i have an interest in every thread containing information about the broncos. they're all relevant. some are more relevant than others. and some will compel me to type my disagreement/frustration/etc. that's life.

to stay in your TV analogy, i don't like the show "grey's anatomy." i don't plan on watching it. i ignore it. however, if one of the broncos' players was going to make a cameo on that program i would plan to watch the episode with the player because it's suddenly relevant to me.

[pikkiwoki]

well have fun being frustrated, then. this thread ain't going nowhere, sorry.

[rationalfan]

Well it figures. You are a Tebow Hater and an Ultra Pro Josh McDaniels fan so I can see where you would not want people to remember what you said before.

Frankly, I find you have zero credibility when your expert analysis held Josh McDaniels in such high regard.

yes, i liked mcd. in theory, i still think he could be a good coach. i will never deny either of those things.

and i'm far from a tebow hater. but i have criticized him. and i have expressed reservations about him as a player. if that's the case i guess i "hate" everyone on the team because none of them are perfect and each one of them has made me consider their faults alongside their benefits to the team. i consider that to be aiming toward objectivity.

[rationalfan]

Well, if their original opinion was given in a tone of arrogant absolutism and derision, and then they come back and try to be sneaky by acting like they never said such things (Dilfer comes to mind), then yes, I think people would like to be made aware of those instances.

why? truly, why does it matter? they don't affect your fandom. they don't affect the way the broncos' players perform. they don't affect the way the team wins or loses. keeping a list of someone's haters feels very petty.

having typed that, it would be relevant for the people being called out by the haters; to use it as motivation. but from a fan's perspective it seems to be very lame.

as much as anything, the "hater" list does nothing more than pronounce its creator's hatred, ignorance and inability to understand a perspective beyond his/her own. it's not a valentine to a favored player. it's black mark on that player's reputation.

[pikkiwoki]

Add Jon Gruden and Cris Collinsworth to the supporters list.

They've been on board since he was drafted.

[pikkiwoki]

why? truly, why does it matter? they don't affect your fandom. they don't affect the way the broncos' players perform. they don't affect the way the team wins or loses. keeping a list of someone's haters feels very petty.

having typed that, it would be relevant for the people being called out by the haters; to use it as motivation. but from a fan's perspective it seems to be very lame.

as much as anything, the "hater" list does nothing more than pronounce its creator's hatred, ignorance and inability to understand a perspective beyond his/her own. it's not a valentine to a favored player. it's black mark on that player's reputation.

does it truly matter? your on a sports forum asking that question? srsly? :laugh:

[TimHippo]

yes, i liked mcd. in theory, i still think he could be a good coach. i will never deny either of those things.

and i'm far from a tebow hater. but i have criticized him. and i have expressed reservations about him as a player. if that's the case i guess i "hate" everyone on the team because none of them are perfect and each one of them has made me consider their faults alongside their benefits to the team. i consider that to be aiming toward objectivity.

What it does show is that you are a poor analyst when it comes to the NFL. And so you have a motive to not have people remember your poor and wrong comments from the past. I think that is driving your distaste for this thread more than anything else. Sorry but you are not entitled to having your past comments not brought up.

You should be held accountable for what you say. Especially if you are a supposed "expert" on the NFL like many of these Tebow haters.

[pikkiwoki]

More supporters:

Marcellus Wiley (@marcelluswiley)
Tim Hasselbeck
Charles Davis (NFL network)

[rationalfan]

does it truly matter? your on a sports forum asking that question? srsly? :laugh:

i actually think you have a pretty damn good point. one problem: some people take this forum WAY too seriously. i'm not suggesting you do, just some people.

[pikkiwoki]

haters:

Jon Ritchie (ESPN)
Tom Waddle (NFL Network) - In the NFL Network highlights for the Miami game, he's the guy derisively yelling "Watch out, Marino!" during the comeback. Every time I see him on NFL Network he's trashing Tebow.

[rationalfan]

What it does show is that you are a poor analyst when it comes to the NFL. And so you have a motive to not have people remember your poor and wrong comments from the past. I think that is driving your distaste for this thread more than anything else. Sorry but you are not entitled to having your past comments not brought up.

You should be held accountable for what you say. Especially if you are a supposed "expert" on the NFL like many of these Tebow haters.

uh, i'm not even sure how to respond to this as your reading comprehension skills seem to be poor (not an insult, but fact).

read my post that you're replying to and you'll see i'm holding myself accountable. your retort is moot.

you're right, i'm not an expert. never suggested i was. you infer too much.

and, to clarify, what's driving my distaste for this thread is the idea that you're building a hate list of people who dared to share their opinions on a football player that you idolize. feels like the same kind of "punish the outsider" mentality that fueled the holocaust and mccarythism. perhaps i'm expecting too much, but i've come to believe broncos fans are better than that.

and i'm pretty confident that the player you idolize would think this is a bad idea. it amazes me that you don't understand that.

[pikkiwoki]

uh, i'm not even sure how to respond to this as your reading comprehension skills seem to be poor (not an insult, but fact).

read my post that you're replying to and you'll see i'm holding myself accountable. your retort is moot.

you're right, i'm not an expert. never suggested i was. you infer too much.

and, to clarify, what's driving my distaste for this thread is the idea that you're building a hate list of people who dared to share their opinions on a football player that you idolize. feels like the same kind of "punish the outsider" mentality that fueled the holocaust and mccarythism. perhaps i'm expecting too much, but i've come to believe broncos fans are better than that.

and i'm pretty confident that the player you idolize would think this is a bad idea. it amazes me that you don't understand that.

ummm, there's a difference between "sharing their opinion" and declaring him to be a failure that will never win in the NFL after 3 career rookie starts.

brian billick falls into the former category. he has been skeptical about tebow, but never pounded his chest and proclaimed he was a failure. i can repsect that.

haters fall into the latter category. these people absolutely deserve to be e-tarred and e-feathered.

[Dzone]

My acquantances in chicago who have voiced their absolute Hatred for Tebow, should read this article about one of their own. Maybe this is the type of player Bears fans prefer.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d825129c0/article/bears-wr-hurd-facing-federal-drug-charges-after-arrest?module=HP11_headline_stack

[TimHippo]

uh, i'm not even sure how to respond to this as your reading comprehension skills seem to be poor (not an insult, but fact).

read my post that you're replying to and you'll see i'm holding myself accountable. your retort is moot.

you're right, i'm not an expert. never suggested i was. you infer too much.

and, to clarify, what's driving my distaste for this thread is the idea that you're building a hate list of people who dared to share their opinions on a football player that you idolize. feels like the same kind of "punish the outsider" mentality that fueled the holocaust and mccarythism. perhaps i'm expecting too much, but i've come to believe broncos fans are better than that.

and i'm pretty confident that the player you idolize would think this is a bad idea. it amazes me that you don't understand that.

It is an insult. You can't hide an insult through passive aggression.

And LMAO at holocaust or mccarthyism. Talk about slippery slope. For someone who calls himself rationalfan, you're argumentative skill IQ is very low.

Let's face it, you were an ultra pro Josh McDaniels fan, how can anyone take such a person, seriously.

[sneakers]

http://picture.funnycorner.net/funny-pictures/5904/Sticky-this-thread.jpg

[rationalfan]

It is an insult. You can't hide an insult through passive aggression.

And LMAO at holocaust or mccarthyism. Talk about slippery slope. For someone who calls himself rationalfan, you're argumentative skill IQ is very low.

Let's face it, you were an ultra pro Josh McDaniels fan, how can anyone take such a person, seriously.

obviously, son, you can't forget the past. and you're not learning from it either.

[pikkiwoki]

Supporter from Day 1:

Tony Dungy, but what the hell does he know? All he's done is win NFL championships as both a player and a coach. He knows nothing.

[TimHippo]

obviously, son, you can't forget the past. and you're not learning from it either.

More insults I see.

Nobody's asking you to stay here. If you don't like this thread then get out and go make your own thread.

[pikkiwoki]

vs Marcus Wiley & Eric Mangini (11/28/11) Post San Diego:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyEsTdC9rjc


That's not Marcellus Wiley, that's Ryan Stewart of the 2 Live Stews.

Ryan Stewart is a Tebow Supporter.

His brother Doug Stewart is a Tebow Hater.

[wayninja]

It's not like Tebow has really 'proved' anything at this point other than he does indeed work and fight hard late in games. This thread (and it's purpose) could still backfire on an epic level. I certainly don't want that to happen, but it's not like we've won the superbowl or anything. We haven't even won a playoff game!

It just might be a wee bit early to dismiss ALL the criticism at this point.

[pikkiwoki]

It's not like Tebow has really 'proved' anything at this point other than he does indeed work and fight hard late in games. This thread (and it's purpose) could still backfire on an epic level. I certainly don't want that to happen, but it's not like we've won the superbowl or anything. We haven't even won a playoff game!

It just might be a wee bit early to dismiss ALL the criticism at this point.

Skepticism is reasonable.

"I'm not sold, but let's give him a chance, let's wait and see" - that's reasonable.

That's not what haters do, though.

Haters do this:



"It's embarrassing to think the Broncos could win with Tebow!"

"Oh they got no reason not to, people love him. They gon' lose, why not? Lose with fun! Be an entertaining loser! No one likes a boring loser, people like a feel good loser! The Broncos can feel good with Tebow" - Bomani Jones (@bomani_jones) on whether Tebow should start vs. Miami. How'd that work out for you, Bomani?

[wayninja]

Skepticism is reasonable.

"I'm not sold, but let's give him a chance, let's wait and see" - that's reasonable.

That's not what haters do, though.

Haters do this:



"It's embarrassing to think the Broncos could win with Tebow!"

"Oh they got no reason not to, people love him. They gon' lose, why not? Lose with fun! Be an entertaining loser! No one likes a boring loser, people like a feel good loser! The Broncos can feel good with Tebow" - Bomani Jones (@bomani_jones) on whether Tebow should start vs. Miami. How'd that work out for you, Bomani?

Yeah, I understand that some of the guys on here have already been proven wrong utterly, but lots more are being mentioned when all they have done is criticize (and justifiably) his raw stats. All I am really saying is that this thread seems about "See, I told you Tebow was awesome!" and it's not even close to too late for that to come crashing down.

Just be careful counting chickens I guess.

[BroncoStud]

Grab your pitchforks, everyone to the streets!

:rolleyes:

How quickly people forget that Hoge and many others treated Vince Young the SAME way... The establishment doesn't like non-conformity. It's really that simple. You have a guy winning games playing the position like Earl Campbell in the wildcat and people are lining up waiting for the collapse.

At the end of the day, who really gives a damn? As long as Denver keeps winning most of us don't care if Tebow plays in a bikini, we are just enjoying the ride. You Teboners need to lighten up.

[tebowtime5502]

Epic thread, dudes!

The fuel keeps on burning and Tebow is whatever you say he is, and if he wasn't, why would he say he is? In the news, the paper, every day I am...TOP QBR ratings won't even play his jam!

[pikkiwoki]

Tom Jackson is a convert. I wouldn't have even called him a hater in the first place. he just reacts to what he sees.

He was critical after the Detroit game, and rightfully so. But since then, on NFL Countdown and what not, he's been defending Tebow, with facts, against the heckling of those clowns Keyshawn and Cris Carter.

Tom Jackson belongs in the convert group, or better yet in a new category called "neutral" or something.

[TimHippo]

Grab your pitchforks, everyone to the streets!

:rolleyes:

How quickly people forget that Hoge and many others treated Vince Young the SAME way... The establishment doesn't like non-conformity. It's really that simple. You have a guy winning games playing the position like Earl Campbell in the wildcat and people are lining up waiting for the collapse.

At the end of the day, who really gives a damn? As long as Denver keeps winning most of us don't care if Tebow plays in a bikini, we are just enjoying the ride. You Teboners need to lighten up.

I would disagree. True there was some questions about Vince Young's throwing motion not translating to the NFL, but there was nowhere near the hatred, venom and vitriol that Tebow has had to endure.

I do find it strange considering Tebow was a 66% passer at Florida, compared to Young's 61.8%.

Tim Tebow and the Myth That He Is Not an Accurate Passer:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/739322-denver-broncos-tim-tebow-and-the-myth-that-he-is-not-an-accurate-passer

[TimHippo]

Tom Jackson is a convert. I wouldn't have even called him a hater in the first place. he just reacts to what he sees.

He was critical after the Detroit game, and rightfully so. But since then, on NFL Countdown and what not, he's been defending Tebow, with facts, against the heckling of those clowns Keyshawn and Cris Carter.

Tom Jackson belongs in the convert group, or better yet in a new category called "neutral" or something.

Is there anywhere to get NFL countdown/primetime videos or links. I'm having trouble finding those for some reason.

[pikkiwoki]

Yeah, I understand that some of the guys on here have already been proven wrong utterly, but lots more are being mentioned when all they have done is criticize (and justifiably) his raw stats.

Like who? Most of the people on his shit list as far as I can tell deserve to be there. Who are the "lots more" that have just objectively "criticized his stats"?

All these guys took it to another level and made bold, scornful, arrogant proclamations that Tebow would be a failure before he was ever given a fair chance. Most of these guys are currently openly wishing for Tebow to fail, not even trying to hide it. If that's not hate, then what is?

Trent Dilfer
Keyshawn Johnson
Chris Carter
Kordell Stewart
Colin Cowherd
Rob Parker
Bomani Jones (please add)

Joe Budden - This guy is a Johnny-come-lately hater, claims to give credit to Tebow for doing things Kyle Orton could not have done, but then qualifies it, with a smirking wince on his face, saying "no way" he's buying Tebow long term. Not even a "let's wait and see, let's see what happens," nope. An absolute, self assured "NO WAY." Then he proceeds to make childish insults about Skip re: Tebow, a sure sign desperation has kicked in and you've lost an argument.



Terrell Suggs - Maybe a hater, but he's on an opposing team. His hating is excused.

Terry Bollea "Hulk Hogan" - Not a hater, I've already said this.
Tom Jackson - Not a hater
Jim Rome - Hater convert


All I am really saying is that this thread seems about "See, I told you Tebow was awesome!" and it's not even close to too late for that to come crashing down.

Just be careful counting chickens I guess.


Who is saying that? I'm just saying there's no way he's as bad as they wished he was, as bad as they're hoping and praying he is (to save their own sorry credibility as "experts", or for whatever other pitiful motives they may have be it race, religion, whatever). He may even be pretty good, but hey, let's wait and see, let it unfold. Isn't that a novel idea, "wait and see"? It probably is to a hater.

One could argue that Tebow could lose every remaining game this year, and he'll still have exceeded these "expert's" expectations of him, given how ridiculously low they set them, saying he would be a failure, he can't win, etc. But of course, once he has some success, they immediately reset their expectations ridiculously high. That, my friend, is hate.

[pikkiwoki]

Is there anywhere to get NFL countdown/primetime videos or links. I'm having trouble finding those for some reason.

Try here:
https://www.4shared.com/folder/97SWHwAM/Tebow_Videos.html

[TimHippo]

Try here:
https://www.4shared.com/folder/97SWHwAM/Tebow_Videos.html

Thanks. I'll take a look at it over the weekend.

[wayninja]

Like who? Most of the people on his shit list as far as I can tell deserve to be there. Who are the "lots more" that have just objectively "criticized his stats"?

All these guys took it to another level and made bold, scornful, arrogant proclamations that Tebow would be a failure before he was ever given a fair chance. Most of these guys are currently openly wishing for Tebow to fail, not even trying to hide it. If that's not hate, then what is?


I'm not getting into this because I have no interest. Suffice it to say;

1. It's not your thread, so I wasn't talking about you specifically.
2. Not everyone being tracked here is a 'hater' nor are they professional media personalities.





Who is saying that? I'm just saying there's no way he's as bad as they wished he was, as bad as they're hoping and praying he is (to save their own sorry credibility as "experts", or for whatever other pitiful motives they may have be it race, religion, whatever). He may even be pretty good, but hey, let's wait and see, let it unfold. Isn't that a novel idea, "wait and see"? It probably is to a hater.

Again, not your thread. But that IS what this thread is about. Any attempt to claim that it's not is disingenuous.


One could argue that Tebow could lose every remaining game this year, and he'll still have exceeded these "expert's" expectations of him, given how ridiculously low they set them, saying he would be a failure, he can't win, etc. But of course, once he has some success, they immediately reset their expectations ridiculously high. That, my friend, is hate.

So? What about next year? If we lose out, don't make the playoffs then come out looking like crap and start the season 0-4, then what? Those guys would be pretty justified at that point at calling this win streak a total fluke however improbable. I'm not interested in arguing so I'll simply reiterate that this thread has the potential to backfire. But proceed as you like.

[catfish]

I'm not getting into this because I have no interest. Suffice it to say;

1. It's not your thread, so I wasn't talking about you specifically.
2. Not everyone being tracked here is a 'hater' nor are they professional media personalities.






Again, not your thread. But that IS what this thread is about. Any attempt to claim that it's not is disingenuous.



So? What about next year? If we lose out, don't make the playoffs then come out looking like crap and start the season 0-4, then what? Those guys would be pretty justified at that point at calling this win streak a total fluke however improbable. I'm not interested in arguing so I'll simply reiterate that this thread has the potential to backfire. But proceed as you like.

is it time to cat spam this thread?

[pikkiwoki]

I'm not getting into this because I have no interest. Suffice it to say;

1. It's not your thread,
Oh, but it IS my thread. This is OUR thread. The supporters of this thread are united in a common cause. As any good team would do, we all take ownership of the thread for the common good, in the name of teamwork. This thread stands for truth, justice, and the American Way. It is everyone's thread. :usa2:
so I wasn't talking about you specifically.
I wasn't talking about me either. I was referring to the people in his "hater" list, specifically the media pundits. If you're talking about the few posters he listed, I'm ignoring them anyway, not concerned with them, as I wouldn't know them from Adam.


2. Not everyone being tracked here is a 'hater' nor are they professional media personalities.Actually, I just broke it down for you in the previous post. Most of the people in his hater list, are, in fact, haters. With the few corrections I suggested, ALL of the people in a list so revised would, in fact, be bona-fide haters. The proof is there in his list, complete with links that you can view at your leisure should you wish to verify for yourself.


Again, not your thread. But that IS what this thread is about. Any attempt to claim that it's not is disingenuous.
Again, it IS my thread. It is everyone's thread. :usa2:

Show me ONE post here that says "Tebow is teh AWESOME! He can do no wrong!"** No, we actually know he has weaknesses, like most young QB's. We are just annoyed the media hasn't given him a fair shake, hasn't afforded him the same patience and concessions they afford EVERY other QB with as much (in)experience as Teebs.

(**you may actually find a post in this thread that says just that. I haven't checked, so I'm going out on a limb there. :D)



So? What about next year? If we lose out, don't make the playoffs then come out looking like crap and start the season 0-4, then what? Those guys would be pretty justified at that point at calling this win streak a total fluke however improbable. I'm not interested in arguing so I'll simply reiterate that this thread has the potential to backfire. But proceed as you like.

That's why the correct approach is "let's see what happens." It allows you to cross bridges when you get to them. No cocksure proclamations. No premature, venomous condemnations. It's not so hard. Well, it is for the haters who did just that in predicting his immediate downfall, and are now praying for it, but hey, that's why they're in the shit list, innit?

Bottom line, what's wrong with calling them out on their BS? Have you seen those vids? I mean, good lord have mercy....these people (in the vids)....smh



is it time to cat spam this thread?

Sure why not.

[catfish]

Sure why not.

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn107/ashleyw22_2008/FatCats.jpg

[pikkiwoki]

I would disagree. True there was some questions about Vince Young's throwing motion not translating to the NFL, but there was nowhere near the hatred, venom and vitriol that Tebow has had to endure.

I do find it strange considering Tebow was a 66% passer at Florida, compared to Young's 61.8%.

Tim Tebow and the Myth That He Is Not an Accurate Passer:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/739322-denver-broncos-tim-tebow-and-the-myth-that-he-is-not-an-accurate-passer

(Audio) Kerry Byrne Gives Some Cold Hard Football Facts On Why Tim Tebow Is Successful And What Will Happen In Denver This Sunday (http://audio.weei.com/a/49828639/kerry-byrne-gives-some-cold-hard-football-facts-on-why-tim-tebow-is-successful-and-what-will-happen-in-denver-this-sunday.htm)

A tale of six quarterbacks (Kerry Byrne, CHFF) (http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_3171_A_tale_of_six_quarterbacks.html)

Tebow's success due to production and protection, not magic (Kerry Byrne, CNNSI) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/11/29/tim.tebow/index.html)

http://twitter.com/#!/footballfacts

[TimHippo]

12/19 Skip Bayless vs Jon Ritchie & Ryan Stewart added

[TimHippo]

Stephen A Smith vs Skip Bayless (1/2/12)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyTxnxX6oaI

[Northman]

Stephen A Smith vs Skip Bayless (1/2/12)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyTxnxX6oaI

Methinks Skip will have a field day with Stephen tomorrow.

[TimHippo]

Michael Irvin
1/8/12 Post Steelers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkFofa0tWn4

[TimHippo]

1/9/12 Post Steelers: Boomer can't admit he's wrong: (starts at 0 minutes, and also at 9:19 )
http://audio.weei.com/a/50532722/boomer-esiason-chats-about-tim-tebow-tom-brady-the-pittsburgh-steelers-and-the-new-york-giants.htm

[TimHippo]

Mike Ditka on Mike & Mike: (1/9/12) Post Steelers:
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7441445

[TimHippo]

Phoenix Sun Head Coach Alvin Gentry (1/9/12):
http://valleyofthesuns.com/2012/01/08/alvin-gentry-loves-tim-tebow/#ixzz1iyhmKtbo

[Ravage!!!]

This has got to be the most ridiculous thread I've ever seen. Has someone put this poster on some kind of "watch" list for stalkers? Because the obsessive before being illustrated by this boy is flat out scary. Not just absurd, but beyond the realm of being healthy.

[TimHippo]

This has got to be the most ridiculous thread I've ever seen. Has someone put this poster on some kind of "watch" list for stalkers? Because the obsessive before being illustrated by this boy is flat out scary. Not just absurd, but beyond the realm of being healthy.

Says the geek with 11,000 posts on a message board. LOL.

[broncobryce]

This has got to be the most ridiculous thread I've ever seen. Has someone put this poster on some kind of "watch" list for stalkers? Because the obsessive before being illustrated by this boy is flat out scary. Not just absurd, but beyond the realm of being healthy.

The only thing scary is the deepness of your hatred.

[Ravage!!!]

The only thing scary is the deepness of your hatred.

:lol: :lol: yeah

[Cugel]

TimHippo, I will help you get started.

Original Haters:
1. Cugel
2. NAMBLA900
3. RC
4. MOtoboat
5. Claymore

These 5 are easy to confuse (they are so much alike in posting style and such). So I wanted to get this started in order to avoid any confusion.

You're full of crap. I never "Hated" Tim Tebow. I said he sucked and he did. He couldn't throw a forward pass to save his life. He looked beyond horrible in his first couple of starts and MUCH worse than an ordinary rookie. He looked even worse in practices and the pre-season. I'm not one of those idiot fan-boys who take things on "faith" that because Tebow "is a good Christian" he's somehow going to succeed. :ranger:

AS for his future with the Broncos, it wasn't ME who wrote all those stories quoting Elway saying "NO" when asked if he'd seen anything to change his mind about Tebow's future with the team. That was John Elway saying publicly and for the record that he wasn't seeing what he needed to see. Then he went out and scouted practices at USC and Stanford which just "coincidentally" happen to be the schools where Luck and Barkley play.

I said that this season was about evaluating Tebow's development and it was.

He's put in the effort and although he still has trouble throwing accurate passes to the middle of the field on occasion he has shown accurate touch passing ability especially on deep sideline routes.

In short he's improved his passing which is what it's about.

Which is all I need to see. Even if he goes out and throws 5 picks against the Patriots it won't matter. He'll still get the chance to work out in the off-season and improve his passing and to be the starter next season.

This year the Broncos are not going to win the SB. Any success they have is just frosting on the cake. What is important is to see some signs of improvement in Tebow over his miserable early season performances when he threw the ball 10 yards over the heads of his WRs. And he's managed to do that.

So, that's the measure of his success. And he's entitled to it. I apologize for nothing. If somebody looks like garbage I'm calling them out. Period.

[HammeredOut]

Tim Tebow is averaging 1.79 completions per quarter. I think he bumped it up to 2 completions a quarter per average yesterday. Tebow did improve. Its the nicest 2 passes a quarter we have ever seen.

[TimHippo]

ESPN's Wildcard Tebow Mania (Bayless vs All Haters): 1/10/12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mUk-ZnzTL8

[pikkiwoki]

Phoenix Sun Head Coach Alvin Gentry (1/9/12):
http://valleyofthesuns.com/2012/01/08/alvin-gentry-loves-tim-tebow/#ixzz1iyhmKtbo

That's pretty random of Gentry, to come out and publicly support someone on a team from a rival city. What's his connection to Denver? Does he have a connection to U of Florida or something? I wonder how Suns fans feel about this. I wonder how Arizona Cardinals fans feel about this.

:laugh:

[TimHippo]

That's pretty random of Gentry, to come out and publicly support someone on a team from a rival city. What's his connection to Denver? Does he have a connection to U of Florida or something? I wonder how Suns fans feel about this. I wonder how Arizona Cardinals fans feel about this.

:laugh:

Looks like he was a grad assistant in 1978 in Boulder then an assistant coach from 1981-1985. Also his cousin is David Thompson who played for the Nuggets from 1975-1982.

[pikkiwoki]

Marshall Faulk is as smug as they come:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/denver-broncos/09000d5d825c9467/Roethlisberger-or-Tebow

My confidence level in ben Roethlisberger is extremely high, because I believe he looks on the other side of the ball, and he says "Is that guy trying to be me?" Lookin' at Tim Tebow, holdin' the ball, running around, patting it, throwing the ball downfield. And, nobody does it better than Ben....Ben will be running around, making plays, and he might even Tebow, after he scores.

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http://www.nfl.com/videos/denver-broncos/09000d5d825c8b2f/Clock-ticking-on-Tebow

(skip to 2:30) I been trying to say this...Defenses, they learn, they adapt, they adjust. And it has happened, and now Tebow must remain a passer. He's a quarterback now, he's trying to play quarterback. He's not just a running quarterback. He's trying to play quarterback, and he's not good at that, at this level.

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http://www.nfl.com/videos/denver-broncos/09000d5d825d0aa3/Has-Tebow-Time-run-out

(skip to 5:40) You have to pull the trigger, but how do you ask a guy to pull the trigger, who's never pulled the trigger?....If Tim Tebow just becomes aggressive, and throws the ball, and pulls the trigger, this could get ugly.

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ywsr:
@marshallfaulk marshall...how does tebow miss by such a wide margin...its called THROWING THE BALL AWAY....geez

marshallfaulk (he tweeted this even after the Broncos beat the Steelers):
@ywsr.... When the WR is wide open!... Haha!
https://twitter.com/#!/marshallfaulk/status/156476884694212611

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Yup, add Faulk to the shit list.

At times he is circumspect with his disdain for Tebow, like when he interviewed him after the victory over the Jets, but if you watch him enough on NFLN, his true feelings about Tebow become readily apparent.

[VonSackemMiller]

Definitly motorboat is a hater

Gem is a hater,

Those are the two off top of my head.

[DenBronx]

Definitly motorboat is a hater

Gem is a hater,

Those are the two off top of my head.

MO hates on everything so now I'm used to it.

[Bullgator]

Why make this list?

They know who they are... why call them out? let them crawl back into their holes.. for it is much better around here when they are not around. Why call them back? Let them flee the light. Shameful creatures, they are... Pitiful indeed.

Must be crushing the weight of being so wrong in their uglyness. That's why they hide. But it didn't have to be this way... Could have just waited to pass judgement. Given it some time before you opened your big greasy mouths. But no, you had to root for the kid o fail. Why? Always being so negative and venomous. Always flaming and trolling his threads and fans and for what? To what end? So that you could cement your selves as fools? Well you have certainly done that. They know who they are... and yes, so do we.

Squirm. YES YOU!

Viva la Tebow.

[TXBRONC]

Definitly motorboat is a hater

Gem is a hater,

Those are the two off top of my head.

You don't know ish about MO and Gem. MO might be a pint size hard ass but he's not a hater. Gem is blunt in an attractive kind of way.

[claymore]

Tebow Sucks!

[SOCALORADO.]

Tebow Sucks!

http://www.centraloregonathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Andrew-Luck.jpg

[TXBRONC]

Tebow Sucks!

:tsk: Hater. :tsk:

[VonSackemMiller]

You don't know ish about MO and Gem. MO might be a pint size hard ass but he's not a hater. Gem is blunt in an attractive kind of way.

What are you there guardians? There haters. period

[TXBRONC]

What are you there guardians? There haters. period

:lol: No but I know them a hella of a lot better than you do.

[Northman]

You should just quit now and drink a tall glass of S T F U VonSuckem. You make yourself look more and more the fool on here.

[VonSackemMiller]

Why are you slurping me? everybody listed there haters im listing mines.

[MOtorboat]

http://www.crazyfunnystupid.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/3516.jpg

[catfish]

http://www.crazyfunnystupid.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/3516.jpg

not cool, I was leaned back in my chair and fell on my ass when I saw that

[TXBRONC]

not cool, I was leaned back in my chair and fell on my ass when I saw that

So a picture of Mo as toddler is funny to you? :tsk:

[Ravage!!!]

For the love of the English language, PLEASE learn the difference between 'there' and 'their.'

Not only are you making yourself out to be a fool, but with your spelling, an uneducated fool.

[jhildebrand]

There their Ravage!!! Calm down. :lol:

Lose and loose always drives me nuts.

[Ravage!!!]

There their Ravage!!! Calm down. :lol:

Lose and loose always drives me nuts.

OMG.. thats CRAZY around here! I don't think people know that there is a difference between the two words!

[VonSackemMiller]

OMG.. thats CRAZY around here! I don't think people know that there is a difference between the two words!

Who cares if you get the point? I love when people on a forum pull the grammer check stunt, It shows how defeated they are.

[TimHippo]

Added to Bonus Section:

Tim Tebow Movie Trailer (Extended)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljic3_THGz0&list=UUQ_jBtD8tlspQOOf4L1xPuw&index=1&feature=plcp

[Ravage!!!]

Who cares if you get the point? I love when people on a forum pull the grammer check stunt, It shows how defeated they are.

Yeah. Thats it, you've defeated me with your superiority