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Blue Run
01-23-2009, 05:28 PM
Hello Broncos fans, had a long drive from NYC to Beantown last night and was too tired to put a useful post together when I arrived, but I've probed, as promised....

On the FA front, PB is putting together a substantial offer for Peppers. With Peppers taking a public stand against the Panthers they are hoping he avoids the franchise tag, although a sign and trade will be explored. They want Peppers, they need Peppers and this was a very particular part of Nolan's plan. I've also confirmed that Plan B would be Bert Berry. Additionally, Nolan is said to have a high grade on Channing Crowder.

Some additional DEN-related SB tidbits:
I am told a man named Adam Gase (sp? sorry, I don't know him) with the DEN organization had a long meeting with Brandon Pettigrew and has been following him closer than any other team. Does not seem to make much sense perhaps Broncos fans could shed some light.

Some other names they've been following:
Eric Wood, Kraig Urbik and again, from another source, I confirmed the A.J. Shipley and Aaron Maybin info previous. It was during Shanahan's stint, but they are still interested. They requested each one of the coach's tapes for both players.

LordTrychon
01-23-2009, 05:32 PM
??

http://www.mugglenet.com/images/pettigrew.jpg

Ziggy
01-23-2009, 05:34 PM
Gase is our WR coach.

TXBRONC
01-23-2009, 05:39 PM
Thank you for your insights. If you are correct (and please do not take that as me calling you a liar) that would be great. It's Bowlen's team but he has always let his staff put the offers on the table.

NightTrainLayne
01-23-2009, 05:49 PM
Pettigrew is a monster. Don't know how he fits into our draft plans if at all, but he's the kind of guy that anybody would love to have.

dogfish
01-23-2009, 05:51 PM
thanks blue!


pettigrew doesn't make a bit of sense to me, at all-- i do think we might like to take a TE at some point this year, to develop in case the talented but injury-prone scheffler is too expensive to retain at the end of his rookie deal. . . also, graham has a pretty high cap figure i believe, but with the way he was catching the ball down the stretch i can't imagine they would make a move with him. . .

i know that shanahan sometimes relied on reports from other coaches when he didn't want to tip his hand by talking to a prospect himself (it's well known that jeff fisher's recommendation played a big role in the decision to draft cutler)-- is it possible that maybe our scouting staff is returning that type of favor and scouting a prospect for another team that doesn't want to reveal their interest? i have no idea how much people cooperate or whether that type of thing goes on regularly, but i can't think of any other reason we'd be looking at a TE with a 1st round grade when we have not one but two quality players at the position already. . . .

SBboundBRONCOS
01-23-2009, 06:34 PM
i love channing croweder and julius peppers and the 2 would easily impove this D by up to 10 positions IMO, not only that but it opens us up for so many options in the draft

i dont care for maybin, hes too small IMO and would be nothing more than a rushing specialist much like moss although probably better

PatricktheDookie
01-23-2009, 06:39 PM
I nominate Blue Run for greatest poster of all time.

RunYouOver
01-23-2009, 07:00 PM
Thanks for the info :D

underrated29
01-23-2009, 07:02 PM
I nominate Blue Run for greatest poster of all time.

assuming we land peppers and or channing and we do indeed go after berry if peppers declines i could go for that.


Keep them comming BLUE! I want more.

Please.
:beer:




and looking at the TE is weird. I know you want to familairize with all the top prospects, but thats weird.

Also what is our new WR coach doing evaluating college prospects. I mean isnt that for the goodmans and head coaches and stuff, and then the WR coach get to give their input later?

Blue Run
01-23-2009, 08:58 PM
hot prospect - he is considered the best receiving TE since K2. A scout for the Chiefs has him rated as the 2nd best Senior, behind Eugene Monroe.
Compared him to a taller Antonio Gates. A phenomenal athlete and most think he's a slam dunk perennial Pro Bowler.

FWIW the Bengals also love him and will probably take him at #6, although they really like Moore, too. They are switching Whitworth to OT so they aren't going that way.

Superchop 7
01-23-2009, 09:05 PM
I love Pettigrew.

But it doesn't make sense.

This is nonsense.

Bozo Jr.
01-23-2009, 10:12 PM
Gotta say, if Peppers and Crowder work out, I'll be a very happy man. Thanks, Blue for all your inside insights. :defense:

fcspikeit
01-23-2009, 10:57 PM
thanks blue!


pettigrew doesn't make a bit of sense to me, at all-- i do think we might like to take a TE at some point this year, to develop in case the talented but injury-prone scheffler is too expensive to retain at the end of his rookie deal. . . also, graham has a pretty high cap figure i believe, but with the way he was catching the ball down the stretch i can't imagine they would make a move with him. . .

Maybe McDaniels and Graham don't get along? Graham said he wanted more balls thrown at him when he was in NE... It could be that the 2 of them got into it or something?

Maybe we will see Graham on the trading block?

dogfish
01-23-2009, 11:03 PM
Maybe we will see Graham on the trading block?


suppose anything's possible, but i doubt it. . .

G_Money
01-23-2009, 11:13 PM
Don't see how we trade Graham - his price is still high, McDaniels likes him since he's from NE, and he's one of the few vet leaders in the locker room.

I do think we're gonna be picking up a TE in the draft, but that's mostly because Scheff can't stay healthy and Nate makes Scheff look like an Iron Man.

I was thinkin' Shawn Nelson in rounds 4-5, but a) that idiot keeps showing off and trying to move up the draft board and b) I dunno that McDaniels is gonna want another overgrown WR at TE instead of somebody more like, well, Graham.

~G

lex
01-23-2009, 11:14 PM
Maybe McDaniels and Graham don't get along? Graham said he wanted more balls thrown at him when he was in NE... It could be that the 2 of them got into it or something?

Maybe we will see Graham on the trading block?

Gawd. Awesome hire, Bowlen.

fcspikeit
01-23-2009, 11:20 PM
Don't see how we trade Graham - his price is still high, McDaniels likes him since he's from NE, and he's one of the few vet leaders in the locker room.

I do think we're gonna be picking up a TE in the draft, but that's mostly because Scheff can't stay healthy and Nate makes Scheff look like an Iron Man.

I was thinkin' Shawn Nelson in rounds 4-5, but a) that idiot keeps showing off and trying to move up the draft board and b) I dunno that McDaniels is gonna want another overgrown WR at TE instead of somebody more like, well, Graham.

~G

Do you know for a fact McDaniels likes him? I'm just sayin'

Graham didn't leave NE on the best of terms, it's possible they don't get along, I can't see any other reason we would consider drafting a TE in the 1st round.

I really like what I have seen of Nelson, the dude laid Maula...(SP?) on his back in the blocking drills and he catches just about everything thrown at him.... He would be a great pickup on the second day... I doubt with what he is showing he will last that long though..

fcspikeit
01-23-2009, 11:22 PM
Gawd. Awesome hire, Bowlen.

If Shanahan went to a team that had Ashly playing WR, what do you think he would do with him?

TXBRONC
01-23-2009, 11:26 PM
Do you know for a fact McDaniels likes him? I'm just sayin'

Graham didn't leave NE on the best of terms, it's possible they don't get along, I can't see any other reason we would consider drafting a TE in the 1st round.

I really like what I have seen of Nelson, the dude laid Maula...(SP?) on his back in the blocking drills and he catches just about everything thrown at him.... He would be a great pickup on the second day... I doubt with what he is showing he will last that long though..

Agreed. I don't see Denver drafting another tight end unless they're going to release or trade Graham or Scheffler.

G_Money
01-23-2009, 11:30 PM
Do you know for a fact McDaniels likes him? I'm just sayin'

Graham didn't leave NE on the best of terms, it's possible they don't get along, I can't see any other reason we would consider drafting a TE in the 1st round.

I really like what I have seen of Nelson, the dude laid Maula...(SP?) on his back in the blocking drills and he catches just about everything thrown at him.... He would be a great pickup on the second day... I doubt with what he is showing he will last that long though..

Unless I misunderstood him during his press conference he gave Graham props. So I think they're okay. We'll find out soon, I guess. ;)

And yeah, Nelson's been outta his mind this week. Knock it off, blockhead. :tsk: I'm trying to draft you!

~G

fcspikeit
01-23-2009, 11:42 PM
Unless I misunderstood him during his press conference he gave Graham props. So I think they're okay. We'll find out soon, I guess. ;)

And yeah, Nelson's been outta his mind this week. Knock it off, blockhead. :tsk: I'm trying to draft you!

~G

What else would he say in the press conference, I'm trading that punk! The first chance I get, hes outahere! :laugh:

SmilinAssasSin27
01-24-2009, 12:05 AM
This was an awful hire. Didn't Bowlen know that the new coach has to get along w/ the TIGHT END??? We have ZERO chance to win until Graham is gone from Denver. I may as well become a Bills fan.

atwater27
01-24-2009, 12:45 AM
Gawd. Awesome hire, Bowlen.

Get the **** over it. McD is our coach. Stop crying.

SBboundBRONCOS
01-24-2009, 12:57 AM
i do think TE will be a need but we can easily hold off on it until next year

scheff and nate so far have seemed to be made of glass. i think next year we will attempt to get a good well rounded TE

big enough to block effectively but fast enough to cause problems in the passing game

Lonestar
01-24-2009, 12:58 AM
Maybe McDaniels and Graham don't get along? Graham said he wanted more balls thrown at him when he was in NE... It could be that the 2 of them got into it or something?

Maybe we will see Graham on the trading block?

I think MC D started as OC after he left..IIRC

DenBronx
01-24-2009, 02:02 AM
Do you know for a fact McDaniels likes him? I'm just sayin'

Graham didn't leave NE on the best of terms, it's possible they don't get along, I can't see any other reason we would consider drafting a TE in the 1st round.

I really like what I have seen of Nelson, the dude laid Maula...(SP?) on his back in the blocking drills and he catches just about everything thrown at him.... He would be a great pickup on the second day... I doubt with what he is showing he will last that long though..

Rey Maualuga. Yeah, he knocked him on his ass. Rey has been looking horrible at senior bowl practices.

fcspikeit
01-24-2009, 02:04 AM
Rey Maualuga. Yeah, he knocked him on his ass. Rey has been looking horrible at senior bowl practices.

He looked better on the last day and I thought he did alright in the middle, when he rushed from the edge against the TE's, he was less then impressive to say the least.

DenBronx
01-24-2009, 02:05 AM
i do think TE will be a need but we can easily hold off on it until next year

scheff and nate so far have seemed to be made of glass. i think next year we will attempt to get a good well rounded TE

big enough to block effectively but fast enough to cause problems in the passing game

i dont get what all the fuss is about signing pricey te's??? i'm with you on this. let sheff play out his rookie contract and if he looks to be injury prone then we can always go after a rookie on day 1 next year. sheff was a rookie and he did just fine. if sheff plays this year without getting injured then maybe we can give him a new contract.

Shazam!
01-24-2009, 02:06 AM
I can see it. McDaniels/Shanahan = Plummer/Cutler. It's in every thread, like two factions.

DenBronx
01-24-2009, 02:07 AM
He looked better on the last day and I thought he did alright in the middle, when he rushed from the edge against the TE's, he was less then impressive to say the least.

that's because he has no business rushing from the edges. rey plays better in the middle.

fcspikeit
01-24-2009, 03:15 AM
I can see it. McDaniels/Shanahan = Plummer/Cutler. It's in every thread, like two factions.

I hope your wrong about that, If McDaniels can prove his worth, I believe most will be happy with the hire...

There will always be a few who will never let it go but that's just the way it is...

We have to remember, many are as much fans of the players/coaches as they are the team... When those players/coaches are let go they are still fans... I can respect that, but I see no need in running the new guy down just because you liked the old guy..

WARHORSE
01-24-2009, 03:23 AM
Blue Runs.

Get it?


Wake up people.:tsk:

fcspikeit
01-24-2009, 03:42 AM
Blue Runs.

Get it?


Wake up people.:tsk:

What harm does it do in taking what he says at face value? :confused:

It's an internet message board, there is nothing wrong with contributing to a thread...

As dog said, if people are worried about losing their "internet cred if they don't show proper skepticism" they don't have to post.. :coffee:

honz
01-24-2009, 03:59 AM
This was an awful hire. Didn't Bowlen know that the new coach has to get along w/ the TIGHT END??? We have ZERO chance to win until Graham is gone from Denver. I may as well become a Bills fan.
QFT. Bowlen doesn't know jack about running an NFL team. What would it take to get Lex as the owner of the Broncos? He knows who the best coaching candidates are without even talking to them.

WARHORSE
01-24-2009, 04:17 AM
What harm does it do in taking what he says at face value? :confused:

It's an internet message board, there is nothing wrong with contributing to a thread...

As dog said, if people are worried about losing their "internet cred if they don't show proper skepticism" they don't have to post.. :coffee:


Hey, to each is own, thats all I gotta say.

If you enjoy it, then enjoy it.


But being on an 'internet message board' doesnt mean I gotta be football ignorant.

Some here are sharper than others in different ways, and for those who dont know theyre being duped, Im here to tug on their coats.


Simple as that.

Continue on.....................:coffee:

Traveler
01-24-2009, 09:32 AM
Pettigrew>Nate Jackson. Even if the Pettigrew info doesn't pan out, we may finally clear a spot on the roster for a player who doesn't consistantly end up on IR. Bye Nate!

Scarface
01-24-2009, 09:41 AM
On the FA front, PB is putting together a substantial offer for Peppers. With Peppers taking a public stand against the Panthers they are hoping he avoids the franchise tag, although a sign and trade will be explored. They want Peppers, they need Peppers and this was a very particular part of Nolan's plan. I've also confirmed that Plan B would be Bert Berry. Additionally, Nolan is said to have a high grade on Channing Crowder.



Wow, I really, really don't like Plan B.

Ziggy
01-24-2009, 10:01 AM
Wow, I really, really don't like Plan B.

I wouldn't mind plan B too much. While he is nearing the end of his career, he is still a legit pass rusher in this league. He also plays the run well. He'd instantly be our best D end (yes, I know that doesn't mean much in itself), and would give us a stop gap fix without breaking the bank while we continue to build and develop this D. He's a high character guy who has played in both the 4-3 and 3-4, and might be able to help out some of the young lineman here.

Scarface
01-24-2009, 11:18 AM
I wouldn't mind plan B too much. While he is nearing the end of his career, he is still a legit pass rusher in this league. He also plays the run well. He'd instantly be our best D end (yes, I know that doesn't mean much in itself), and would give us a stop gap fix without breaking the bank while we continue to build and develop this D. He's a high character guy who has played in both the 4-3 and 3-4, and might be able to help out some of the young lineman here.

5 or 6 sacks a year is a legit pass rusher? I just really hope it's not Peppers Plan A or Bertand Berry Plan B. There's a big difference between the two.

SBboundBRONCOS
01-24-2009, 11:20 AM
5 or 6 sacks a year is a legit pass rusher? I just really hope it's not Peppers Plan A or Bertand Berry Plan B. There's a big difference between the two.

ehh its better than anything we have now :tsk:

TXBRONC
01-24-2009, 12:15 PM
I think MC D started as OC after he left..IIRC

I checked and McDaniels became the offensive coordinator in 2006, so Graham was there his first year as the OC.

turftoad
01-24-2009, 12:19 PM
ehh its better than anything we have now :tsk:

But........... still not good enough.

I don't like the idea of bringing Berry back. I mean, if we go 3-4 he doeasn't really fit in as a DE or an OLB.

Ziggy
01-24-2009, 12:42 PM
5 or 6 sacks a year is a legit pass rusher? I just really hope it's not Peppers Plan A or Bertand Berry Plan B. There's a big difference between the two.

Yes, there is a big difference between the 2. Nobody will debate that. I believe that Berry can bring pressure from the corner even at this stage in his career. This season he had 5 sacks in 14 games. Arizona switched between a 4-3 and 3-4 this season, but I don't know how many games were in each. He also has 2 sacks in the playoffs. A more telling stat than sacks would be pressures. I can't seem to find that one anywhere.

No, he's not a Julius Peppers. There's only 1 of him, and lots of teams are going after him. Is he going to want to come to a defense with a talent level as low as the Broncos have? Is he going to want to come to a D that is brining in a new head coach and defensive coordinator? Is he going to want to come to a D with no other studs in the front 7? I hope so, but who knows.

In the meantime, we need an edge rusher if Peppers doesn't come, and I think Berry would be a good option if he came in at a decent price. JMO

turftoad
01-24-2009, 12:47 PM
Yes, there is a big difference between the 2. Nobody will debate that. I believe that Berry can bring pressure from the corner even at this stage in his career. This season he had 5 sacks in 14 games. Arizona switched between a 4-3 and 3-4 this season, but I don't know how many games were in each. He also has 2 sacks in the playoffs. A more telling stat than sacks would be pressures. I can't seem to find that one anywhere.

No, he's not a Julius Peppers. There's only 1 of him, and lots of teams are going after him. Is he going to want to come to a defense with a talent level as low as the Broncos have? Is he going to want to come to a D that is brining in a new head coach and defensive coordinator? Is he going to want to come to a D with no other studs in the front 7? I hope so, but who knows.

In the meantime, we need an edge rusher if Peppers doesn't come, and I think Berry would be a good option if he came in at a decent price. JMO

If we go 3-4, Berry doesn't fit in anywhere. He's to small the play DE as their main job is run support.
He's to old and slow to play OLB. We already have younger guys on the roster that would be a better fit there.
I like Berry, don't get me wrong, but only in the 4-3 as a rusher off the edge.

Ziggy
01-24-2009, 12:54 PM
If we go 3-4, Berry doesn't fit in anywhere. He's to small the play DE as their main job is run support.
He's to old and slow to play OLB. We already have younger guys on the roster that would be a better fit there.
I like Berry, don't get me wrong, but only in the 4-3 as a rusher off the edge.

I'm hoping that after FA and the draft, the Broncos will pick which scheme they are going to run and stick with it. It's going to be very frustrating if they are midway through training camp before they decide.

TXBRONC
01-24-2009, 01:08 PM
that's because he has no business rushing from the edges. rey plays better in the middle.

I can understand wanting to see if these kids can play other positions, but if Rey is going to play in the NFL he's going to be mike linebacker.

Bad Intentions
01-25-2009, 11:16 AM
Pettigrew is slow and will have trouble separating in the NFL. The best part about his game is that he's well rounded. If you look at his game and compare him to someone in the NFL it would be Daniel Graham. Outstanding blocker, good hands, lacks burst to get open. You make a pick like that if you have a questionable LT/RT and want to assign a training wheel while also getting 'some' offensive production. For that reason the Bungles make sense, though they would be idiots not to take one of the big three at OT in this draft. Smith, Smith, or Monroe would all be excellent picks for them, franchise type LT that wouldn't require a training wheel beside him!

I like the Peppers idea. Internet message board or not, the idea makes sense. Gase was the WR coach for the Niners up until a week ago. Sounds like he was probably watching Petigrew closely for another team if it's been on going.

Bluebawls, go find out if we're targeting a safety! Atogwe would be the preference there!

SmilinAssasSin27
01-25-2009, 12:34 PM
As much as i LOVE Peppers' game, why does his going to a 3-4 make so much sense. I personally think he'll be great at it, but we'd also be paying UBER-$$$ for a guy to play a new position. And if he can't, he doesn't fit in his old position on our team.

Foochacho
01-25-2009, 12:49 PM
I agree smilin, but I just don't see how he wouldn't be able to transition. It would be awesome to have this guy on our team. If Peppers thinks he can flourish there then I am sure he can. He is already dominating at DE why would he want to switch unless he thinks his game will improve? Let him have his chance and let it be us that gets him.

MOtorboat
01-25-2009, 12:50 PM
As much as i LOVE Peppers' game, why does his going to a 3-4 make so much sense. I personally think he'll be great at it, but we'd also be paying UBER-$$$ for a guy to play a new position. And if he can't, he doesn't fit in his old position on our team.

6-7, 280...I think he could play down in a 3-4 if he had to. His speed and size is freakish at OLB...

SmilinAssasSin27
01-25-2009, 12:53 PM
6-7, 280...I think he could play down in a 3-4 if he had to. His speed and size is freakish at OLB...

280 as a 3-4 DE whose primary objective is not necessarily to rush the passer? I dunno dude. Again, I'm not against bringing him here (apart from my build thru the draft philospohy), but I also don't think it is w/o risk.

MOtorboat
01-25-2009, 12:54 PM
280 as a 3-4 DE whose primary objective is not necessarily to rush the passer? I dunno dude. Again, I'm not against bringing him here (apart from my build thru the draft philospohy), but I also don't think it is w/o risk.

Of course there's risk. There's always risk. I say, with our cap room, take it.

Foochacho
01-25-2009, 12:55 PM
Picking up Peppers for olb is less of a gamble than picking up a fatty in rd. 1. If we take Raji we would have to break the bank on a possible bust. Peppers we break the bank on a freak of nature. It probally won't happen but I would love it.

SmilinAssasSin27
01-25-2009, 12:56 PM
But we're paying for a first round pick regardless of who i is. We have the option not to overspend on FAs.

...and yes, I know we have the option not to pick at 12.

MOtorboat
01-25-2009, 12:57 PM
Picking up Peppers for olb is less of a gamble than picking up a fatty in rd. 1. If we take Raji we would have to break the bank on a possible bust. Peppers we break the bank on a freak of nature. It probally won't happen but I would love it.

Or retaining Winborn and Webster.

:coffee:

turftoad
01-25-2009, 01:02 PM
Picking up Peppers for olb is less of a gamble than picking up a fatty in rd. 1. If we take Raji we would have to break the bank on a possible bust. Peppers we break the bank on a freak of nature. It probally won't happen but I would love it.

I predict Raji will be a top 10 pick. We won't have to worry about him at #12.

ApaOps5
01-25-2009, 01:13 PM
I predict Raji will be a top 10 pick. We won't have to worry about him at #12.

I don't this could very well line up for us to get him just like last year. If teams decide to fill needs and stretch like KC perhaps, for a QB. Then other talent push down and raji could easily fall to us.

But I will await the combine see how it shakes out.

Foochacho
01-25-2009, 01:22 PM
Don't worry I was going to spread some rumors about him over the internet to make his stock drop. I will send an email to the bronco's front office to let them know they are fake.

How far do you think his stock will drop if I say he has cancer?

TheDave
01-25-2009, 01:36 PM
FWIW... I heard it on the light rail today that Pat Bowlen and Jerry Jones are locked in mortal combat over the rights to the formula for the fountain of youth... The reason why this is so important is that not only Elway would come back but our first major FA signing would be Lawrence Taylor.

According to my sources that also ride public transportation, Bowlen is puttin together a "significant" offer for LT.

fcspikeit
01-25-2009, 01:53 PM
Hey, to each is own, thats all I gotta say.

If you enjoy it, then enjoy it.


But being on an 'internet message board' doesnt mean I gotta be football ignorant.

Some here are sharper than others in different ways, and for those who dont know theyre being duped, Im here to tug on their coats.


Simple as that.

Continue on.....................:coffee:


I don't think anyone has been "duped." The fact we're even talking about this, shows just about everyone is at least a little skeptical about it.

Shoot WAR, what proof to I have you are who you say you are? It doesn't matter to me really, I read what you have to say, if I want to comment on it, I do... On the internet, people get to be what they want to be, that is if they can pull it off. Time will tell if he has the inside info he claims to have...

I will play along until it has ran it's course...

ApaOps5
01-25-2009, 02:15 PM
Well this isn't a Travishamockery. Taco started the that thread on the 9th. Blue Run registered on the 5th. Either Taco cheated with an early start or this guy is legit. Legit as in not part of OM game.

fcspikeit
01-25-2009, 02:19 PM
Well this isn't a Travishamockery. Taco started the that thread on the 9th. Blue Run registered on the 5th. Either Taco cheated with an early start or this guy is legit. Legit as in not part of OM game.

Maybe Taco got the idea for the thread, after he came up with this? Anything is possible :beer:

SmilinAssasSin27
01-25-2009, 02:19 PM
Well this isn't a Travishamockery. Taco started the that thread on the 9th. Blue Run registered on the 5th. Either Taco cheated with an early start or this guy is legit. Legit as in not part of OM game.
Thanx for checking. I've been unable to get onto the mane today. Besides, the game was supposed to be on other teams' boards, right?

And thanx for clarifying "legit".

Lonestar
01-25-2009, 02:23 PM
hey good bad or indifferent it is informative.. and gives another perspective we have not thought about here of or fresh to the forum..

Scarface
01-25-2009, 04:30 PM
280 as a 3-4 DE whose primary objective is not necessarily to rush the passer? I dunno dude. Again, I'm not against bringing him here (apart from my build thru the draft philospohy), but I also don't think it is w/o risk.

He would play OLB and rush the passer. Every FA signing is risky but consider this. McD is taking over a team that was one win away from the playoffs. He's taking over for a HOF coach with 2 rings on his finger from HC'n in Denver. He's under immense pressure to get Denver in the playoffs and to do it next season. You're not going to get anywhere in this league twiddling your thumbs and worrying about failing. You have to be aggressive and confident and you have to go for it (like in all the 80's Movies). Bold moves need to made to send a message to the team that 8-8 is not acceptable and losing is not an option.

lex
01-25-2009, 04:37 PM
He would play OLB and rush the passer. Every FA signing is risky but consider this. McD is taking over a team that was one win away from the playoffs. He's taking over for a HOF coach with 2 rings on his finger from HC'n in Denver. He's under immense pressure to get Denver in the playoffs and to do it next season. You're not going to get anywhere in this league twiddling your thumbs and worrying about failing. You have to be aggressive and confident and you have to go for it (like in all the 80's Movies). Bold moves need to made to send a message to the team that 8-8 is not acceptable and losing is not an option.

...like Ghandi and Terms of Endearment.

Lonestar
01-25-2009, 04:43 PM
He would play OLB and rush the passer. Every FA signing is risky but consider this. McD is taking over a team that was one win away from the playoffs. He's taking over for a HOF coach with 2 rings on his finger from HC'n in Denver. He's under immense pressure to get Denver in the playoffs and to do it next season. You're not going to get anywhere in this league twiddling your thumbs and worrying about failing. You have to be aggressive and confident and you have to go for it (like in all the 80's Movies). Bold moves need to made to send a message to the team that 8-8 is not acceptable and losing is not an option.

Here I disagree, I think he will be either given all the tools (players and coaches) he need to improve the team.. on D that is not all that hard.. but on O he will be lucky to maintain the efficiency we had in some of the games last year..

Will he get pressured into SUPERBOWL this next year I do not think that Pat is that stupid.. He will put the pressure on himself to improve over this year.. and then compound that in 2010..

Ziggy
01-25-2009, 06:24 PM
The AFC West is going to be lousy again next season. San Diego kept Norv, so we are almost guaranteed that they aren't going to improve much. The only thing that helps them is that Merriman should be back. KC has too many young unproven players and no QB to make a splash, and Oakland still has Al Davis. I'm guessing that Bowlen expects to be competing for the division title next season.

Lonestar
01-25-2009, 06:30 PM
I think KC depending on who their coach is with ll the rookie this year and prime draft choices again this year will be up and down like a YO-YO,,

Oak could actually do good if they can find decent coach..

San should be improved EVEN with norv as a coach.. ass you said they get merriman back who will be playing his contract year, as will a few others....

they have stability at DC again and there offense has had another year to gel..

they did not lose many blow outs last year there were IIRC 3-4 3 pointers or less.

WARHORSE
01-25-2009, 09:02 PM
I don't think anyone has been "duped." The fact we're even talking about this, shows just about everyone is at least a little skeptical about it.

Shoot WAR, what proof to I have you are who you say you are? It doesn't matter to me really, I read what you have to say, if I want to comment on it, I do... On the internet, people get to be what they want to be, that is if they can pull it off. Time will tell if he has the inside info he claims to have...

I will play along until it has ran it's course...


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Scarface
01-25-2009, 09:05 PM
Here I disagree, I think he will be either given all the tools (players and coaches) he need to improve the team.. on D that is not all that hard.. but on O he will be lucky to maintain the efficiency we had in some of the games last year..

Will he get pressured into SUPERBOWL this next year I do not think that Pat is that stupid.. He will put the pressure on himself to improve over this year.. and then compound that in 2010..

If we make the playoffs last season Shanny is still our coach. Make no mistake about it if McDaniels does not get us to the playoffs next year it will be a disappointment. Bowlen didn't make the move because he's okay with 8-8 and doesn't mind missing the postseason. He wants to win.

broncophan
01-25-2009, 09:12 PM
If we make the playoffs last season Shanny is still our coach. Make no mistake about it if McDaniels does not get us to the playoffs next year it will be a disappointment. Bowlen didn't make the move because he's okay with 8-8 and doesn't mind missing the postseason. He wants to win.

Well............we all better get ready for a disappointment then..........
coming off an 8-8 season.........with a new coach.......and a new offense..and a young qb who has to learn a new offense......not to mention our defense........and have you checked the schedule for next season???

Oh well........let's see what we do in the off season.....

GO BRONCOS.........

fcspikeit
01-25-2009, 09:59 PM
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Cugel
01-25-2009, 10:30 PM
I predict Raji will be a top 10 pick. We won't have to worry about him at #12.
That's looking more and more likely. :coffee:

DL are becoming more and more important in the NFL and teams are drafting them earlier and earlier! Last year 5 of the top 8 picks were DL: Long, Dorsey, Gholsten, Ellis, Harvey.

Watch the same damn thing happen this year and at least 3 or 4 DL get taken in the top 10 picks (Raji, Everette Brown, Orakpo).

That still might leave some decent defensive talent for the Broncos at #12. It's too bad they couldn't get the top NT in the draft, but that's very hard to do any year.

Cugel
01-25-2009, 10:32 PM
Well............we all better get ready for a disappointment then..........
coming off an 8-8 season.........with a new coach.......and a new offense..and a young qb who has to learn a new offense......not to mention our defense........and have you checked the schedule for next season???

Oh well........let's see what we do in the off season.....

GO BRONCOS.........
It's a bit early to make any predictions about this team. With all the changes and the horror show that is the defense, one might predict 6-10.

But, then who would have predicted the Dolphins would go from 1-15 to 11-5 in one season? Nobody, that's who. There's not ONE person who predicted that (except maybe some mad Dolphins fans).

Who knows what will happen? :cool:

broncophan
01-25-2009, 10:44 PM
It's a bit early to make any predictions about this team. With all the changes and the horror show that is the defense, one might predict 6-10.

But, then who would have predicted the Dolphins would go from 1-15 to 11-5 in one season? Nobody, that's who. There's not ONE person who predicted that (except maybe some mad Dolphins fans).

Who knows what will happen? :cool:

Yep......that's why I said "let's see what we do in the offseason".........with our pathetic defense.....a veteran qb like Pennington, who helped the dolphins, ......would have helped us this past season.

RunYouOver
01-25-2009, 11:21 PM
Well............we all better get ready for a disappointment then..........
coming off an 8-8 season.........with a new coach.......and a new offense..and a young qb who has to learn a new offense......not to mention our defense........and have you checked the schedule for next season???

Oh well........let's see what we do in the off season.....

GO BRONCOS.........

Unfortunately, that's the truth.

We better get a LOT better defensively, and everyone better understand McDaniels' system real fast.

Even the fifth best team in the NFL wouldn't go better than 12-4 with our schedule next year. :tsk:

I'd certainly love to be wrong though.

Lonestar
01-25-2009, 11:49 PM
It's a bit early to make any predictions about this team. With all the changes and the horror show that is the defense, one might predict 6-10.

But, then who would have predicted the Dolphins would go from 1-15 to 11-5 in one season? Nobody, that's who. There's not ONE person who predicted that (except maybe some mad Dolphins fans).

Who knows what will happen? :cool:

but as general rule 1-15 teams tend to have the easiest schedule 4th place teams and the 15-1 teams get all the top teams in the their schedules..

Also remember that MIA only lost a few games by more than 7 point the year before they were in almost every game and only lacked a decent QB to make the huge transition.. The MIA defense kept them in a lot of games and only got better this year along with a good QB their running game came on stronger early in the year..

Whereas our defense was 28th or worse in all categories.. with no discernible talent.. and a complete change in scheme and and probably talent..

Your right time will tell but looking at the rough schedule it will be brutal IMHO.. depending on who we play when, on the east coast we could lose them all.. this team has never played well on the east coast and almost no western conference teams last year won at all last year when traveling to the east coast..

I know that a new coach may bring in the trick to winning out there but it may take a year to convince the players that it can happen..

MOtorboat
01-26-2009, 08:45 AM
but as general rule 1-15 teams tend to have the easiest schedule 4th place teams and the 15-1 teams get all the top teams in the their schedules..

Only two games on your schedule are based on where you finish.

6 games against divisional opponents.
4 games against a designated division from your conference.
4 games against a designated division from the opposite conference.
2 games based on your finish the season before.

broncofaninfla
01-26-2009, 09:24 AM
Pettigrew talk could be a diversionary ploy but McD staff. Happens all of the time.

CoachChaz
01-26-2009, 10:23 AM
...but I wouldnt scoff at the addition of Pettigrew. Yes, we need help elsewhere, but if we can find some of that via FA, Pettigre would be a nice addition. Maybe we could deal Scheffler.

G_Money
01-26-2009, 10:50 AM
I have TE as a draft need. We can’t keep losing our TE to injury every time he steps on the field. Scheff and Jackson just break too often.

I don’t have it as a FIRST ROUND draft need, but Shawn Nelson’s on my list. If McD wants a bigger TE and considers a big TE to be vital to what he plans to do on offense, I could see it.

I wouldn’t do it, but there are worse things than adding Tony Gonzalez to your team.

I’m not as interested in the positions of the players that we add, just that they be excellent players who can start – and star – for us for a long time.

We have enough positions of need to go around.

~G

CoachChaz
01-26-2009, 10:57 AM
I have TE as a draft need. We can’t keep losing our TE to injury every time he steps on the field. Scheff and Jackson just break too often.

I don’t have it as a FIRST ROUND draft need, but Shawn Nelson’s on my list. If McD wants a bigger TE and considers a big TE to be vital to what he plans to do on offense, I could see it.

I wouldn’t do it, but there are worse things than adding Tony Gonzalez to your team.

I’m not as interested in the positions of the players that we add, just that they be excellent players who can start – and star – for us for a long time.

We have enough positions of need to go around.

~G

Assuming we were to add Canty and Crowder via FA and Raji was gone, I would consider looking at Pettigrew early. Perhaps moving back a few spots...as long as it was before Philly's pick.

Ziggy
01-26-2009, 10:58 AM
...but I wouldnt scoff at the addition of Pettigrew. Yes, we need help elsewhere, but if we can find some of that via FA, Pettigre would be a nice addition. Maybe we could deal Scheffler.

Deal Sheff for what? The going rate for a TE who can't stay on the field and is an average blocker at best isn't real high right now.

turftoad
01-26-2009, 11:01 AM
I have TE as a draft need. We can’t keep losing our TE to injury every time he steps on the field. Scheff and Jackson just break too often.

I don’t have it as a FIRST ROUND draft need, but Shawn Nelson’s on my list. If McD wants a bigger TE and considers a big TE to be vital to what he plans to do on offense, I could see it.

I wouldn’t do it, but there are worse things than adding Tony Gonzalez to your team.

I’m not as interested in the positions of the players that we add, just that they be excellent players who can start – and star – for us for a long time.

We have enough positions of need to go around.

~G


Agreed. Even if TE is a need, it's not a huge need. I wouldn't be against drafting a TE but absolutly not as early as #12 in the first round

NightTrainLayne
01-26-2009, 11:09 AM
Agreed. Even if TE is a need, it's not a huge need. I wouldn't be against drafting a TE but absolutly not as early as #12 in the first round

Yes. I wish we could justify Pettigrew, because he is potentially an HOF type guy. . .I've watched him closely his whole college career here at OSU, and he is the real deal. .. but unfortunately, I just don't think him in the first round can be justified by the Denver Broncos.

G_Money
01-26-2009, 11:11 AM
That’s where I think people get off-track.

“All of our draft needs to be defense.”

Okay…but why? Because we have a lot of defensive needs?

Well Marshall, Sheff and Kuper are all up for contracts after next year. If you plan to remove any of them, thinking a year early isn’t bad.

We can add players in free agency. I know we’ve been atrocious at it, but many teams do well in free agency.

If we add some defensive Pro-Bowlers in free agency, would that make it easier to spend a couple of draft picks on offense? If there’s no one available for defense that fits our scheme and has the same value as an offensive guy, I’d hate to reach on a defender and potentially blow a pick just because I HAD to draft defense all the time.

If I had a choice between Tony Gonzalez and Gerard Warren in the first, I’d take Gonzalez. Let’s not get too locked in to one guy or one side of the ball.

We still need Players, on both sides.

The Colts were a good offensive team when they took Dallas Clark in the first, and he wound up being vital to them.

A few years later they added a WR and an OT on the first day who are both getting playing time now.

It’s the NFL. A third of your roster turns over every year, and not just the sucky guys. It never hurts to be prepared.

I’d still try not to do a TE in the first, tho. ;)

~G

CoachChaz
01-26-2009, 11:22 AM
Even if we dealt Sheff for a 7th rounder, it wouldnt be a loss and we'd be getting more value in return than if we let him walk. I wont say Pettigrew is worthy of the #12 pick, but if we can find a solid 3-4 DE (Canty) and ILB (Crowder) via FA...and Raji is gone...what do we do with #12? Given our needs and assuming some were addressed in FA, if had to choose to spend the #12 pick between Pettigrew, Cushing, Moore or Jackson...I take Pettigrew 10 times out of 10 and add that stud TE to our arsenal.

G_Money
01-26-2009, 11:43 AM
Yep. There are times you get squeezed.

You filled a couple of positions in FA, the rest of the defensive positions you targeted would have to be filled by players not worthy of the slot, you can’t trade back…

Well, then you suck it up and draft the best player available, even if he plays offense.

No sense reaching on Moore if you can get a good safety in the 2nd, and I don’t draft Jackson at #12 either.

We’re in a weird draft slot this year based on our needs and the draft board. We’re a little high for safety, corner, OLB, or 3-4 DE, and might be too low for the first-round NT or the right ILB for the slot if Curry and Maualuga are gone. And that's without filling needs in FA.

We’re gonna have to stay flexible and keep our options open.

~G

CoachChaz
01-26-2009, 11:54 AM
A trade scenario I looked at somewhere...

Den R1, #12
Den R2, #16
Den R3, #15

for

Phi R1, #21
Phi R1, #27
Phi R2, #21


I think this would be an ideal trade for both teams

TXBRONC
01-26-2009, 12:00 PM
Agreed. Even if TE is a need, it's not a huge need. I wouldn't be against drafting a TE but absolutly not as early as #12 in the first round

I don't see it as a need, we still got very good production out of Scheffler, and technically he's not the starting tight end. However, if the Broncos view it the way G does then I could see them getting a tight end but not early in the draft.

Dreadnought
01-26-2009, 12:13 PM
[QUOTE=G_Money;534700]I have TE as a draft need. We can’t keep losing our TE to injury every time he steps on the field. Scheff and Jackson just break too often.[quote]

G - I have to disagree here. Jackson has proven to be too fragile, I'll admit that. Scheff has only missed 7 games in his three years due to injury. Not great, but its not like he's made of Limoges China either. He is too superb a pass catching weapon to give up on or look to replace. TE is about the last area of need we have IMO. Even a backup QB ought to take priority

underrated29
01-26-2009, 12:15 PM
A trade scenario I looked at somewhere...

Den R1, #12
Den R2, #16
Den R3, #15

for

Phi R1, #21
Phi R1, #27
Phi R2, #21


I think this would be an ideal trade for both teams


I dont know why philly would go for that. I wouldnt if i was them. But for us Dayum that would be sexy. I would take that in a heart beat.

G_Money
01-26-2009, 12:22 PM
I have TE as a draft need. We can’t keep losing our TE to injury every time he steps on the field. Scheff and Jackson just break too often.

G - I have to disagree here. Jackson has proven to be too fragile, I'll admit that. Scheff has only missed 7 games in his three years due to injury. Not great, but its not like he's made of Limoges China either. He is too superb a pass catching weapon to give up on or look to replace. TE is about the last area of need we have IMO. Even a backup QB ought to take priority

Do you have a list of games he came out of early, where he caught one pass, got injured, and never returned?

He didn’t totally miss a ton of games (although missing 1/6 of his possible games should be considered an issue) but he was limited in many of them due to injury, and took halves off to recover in even more. He missed entire pre-seasons due to injury. We were lucky the games didn't count, but he still missed them.

He’s breakable. Every time he takes a hard hit I know I’m not gonna see him again til after halftime.

It’s not his fault, but it is worrisome, especially with a contract year coming up.

How much money do you pay to a guy who goes down every time he gets hit crossing the field? It’s sort of his JOB to cross the field and get hit.

I like Scheffler but he can’t block, and if he can’t stay healthy enough to catch passes either then we need to look at replacing him. We replaced Putzier with the same production because he wasn’t worth the expense of re-signing him.

Scheffler’s got to be careful to avoid being placed in the same boat.

~G

MOtorboat
01-26-2009, 12:22 PM
I dont know why philly would go for that. I wouldnt if i was them. But for us Dayum that would be sexy. I would take that in a heart beat.

Draft Chart Value-wise, it's a very fair deal. I know that's not the be-all, end-all, but it is something to go off of.

CoachChaz
01-26-2009, 12:23 PM
I dont know why philly would go for that. I wouldnt if i was them. But for us Dayum that would be sexy. I would take that in a heart beat.

By trade value, our picks in that scenario have a score of 1815 and theirs have a total of 1850. Plus it would allow them to address OT in the first before Washington got to one they may covet.

NightTrainLayne
01-26-2009, 12:24 PM
Do you have a list of games he came out of early, where he caught one pass, got injured, and never returned?

He didn’t totally miss a ton of games (although missing 1/6 of his possible games should be considered an issue) but he was limited in many of them due to injury, and took halves off to recover in even more.

He’s breakable. Every time he takes a hard hit I know I’m not gonna see him again til after halftime.

It’s not his fault, but it is worrisome, especially with a contract year coming up.

How much money do you pay to a guy who goes down every time he gets hit crossing the field? It’s sort of his JOB to cross the field and get hit.

I like Scheffler but he can’t block, and if he can’t stay healthy enough to catch passes either then we need to look at replacing him. We replaced Putzier with the same production because he wasn’t worth the expense of re-signing him.

Scheffler’s got to be careful to avoid being placed in the same boat.

~G

I really tend to agree with you G, but to play devil's advocate, toward the end of this season it did seem as though Scheffler was learning how to play through the pain.

Of course, how much of a gamble do you take that it's a permanent change? I don't know.

CoachChaz
01-26-2009, 12:27 PM
Aside from the injury gamble with Sheff, he's also a liability in blocking. While Pettigrew may not be the same receiver Sheff is, he is a MUCH better blocker and still has great hands. Plus, he is a load to bring down after the catch.

In the long run, I'd much prefer Pet over Sheff

Dreadnought
01-26-2009, 12:38 PM
Aside from the injury gamble with Sheff, he's also a liability in blocking. While Pettigrew may not be the same receiver Sheff is, he is a MUCH better blocker and still has great hands. Plus, he is a load to bring down after the catch.

In the long run, I'd much prefer Pet over Sheff

Difference of emphasis I guess. To me a TE is first and foremost a pass receiver. Blocking is or ought to be a distant consideration. Nice to get both obviously.

Also we aren't paying Scheff a ton of money now, and he's not really well positioned to hold us up either. Graham's value for the money spent is pretty arguable; Scheffler's is not

underrated29
01-26-2009, 12:43 PM
thats true dread.

Pet would garner a pretty sizable contract being a low first rd pick. I would not like us to draft a TE early either. Infact that and QB are two of the lowest needs i see for us drafting.

CoachChaz
01-26-2009, 12:58 PM
Sheff goes down...again or bolts via FA and then we're left with Graham.

I'm not going to start a coalition for the advocacy of drafting a TE, but it is an option if FA goes well.

CoachChaz
01-26-2009, 01:02 PM
Keep in mind...Pittsburgh recently drafted a RB in the first to compliment...a guy already running for 1000 yards. Then they drafted a WR, LB, T, QB that rarely see the field. In fact, with the exception of Gay, Woodley and Holmes, their last 3 drafts havent exactly produced any immediate starters.

What are they doing this weekend?

TXBRONC
01-26-2009, 01:05 PM
Even though Scheffler has 6 games in three year he has remained highly productive.

Ziggy
01-26-2009, 01:18 PM
Keep in mind...Pittsburgh recently drafted a RB in the first to compliment...a guy already running for 1000 yards. Then they drafted a WR, LB, T, QB that rarely see the field. In fact, with the exception of Gay, Woodley and Holmes, their last 3 drafts havent exactly produced any immediate starters.

What are they doing this weekend?

The Steelers almost always take the BPA approach in the draft. That is just one of the factors that make them a successful franchise though. They have also kept the same defensive system for many years, and then go out and draft the BPA to fit that specific system. They also have a head coach that is smart enough to leave the defense to the DC, even though he has a defensive background. The Steelers also have a culture of being a tough, mean, punch you in the face type of team. That's a product of both talent and coaching.

The Broncos have been more of a finesse team for most of this franchise's years. Other than the Orange Crush D, we have had defenses that bend but don't break. I hope we change that philosiphy. One of the terms that McDaniels has used over and over in his interviews, is being a tough team. If he's serious about it, we should see it written all over our draft and FA moves. Right now I don't see a single player on our D other than Larsen that has that "come out and punch you in the mouth" mentality. Does anyone else?

Of the 4 teams that were in the conference finals this season, 3 had tough, attacking defenses. I don't think that it's a coincidence.

dogfish
01-26-2009, 01:21 PM
A trade scenario I looked at somewhere...

Den R1, #12
Den R2, #16
Den R3, #15

for

Phi R1, #21
Phi R1, #27
Phi R2, #21


I think this would be an ideal trade for both teams


and i think i would need to change my shorts if it happened. . . .


how about lesean mccoy, larry english, and either ron brace or
delmas in the 2nd? man, so many possibilities with that set of picks. . . .




I dont know why philly would go for that. I wouldnt if i was them. But for us Dayum that would be sexy. I would take that in a heart beat.


By trade value, our picks in that scenario have a score of 1815 and theirs have a total of 1850. Plus it would allow them to address OT in the first before Washington got to one they may covet.


beat me to it. . . . U29, both of philly's starting OTs (john runyan and tra thomas) are free agents this year, and they don't have a history of paying to retain aging vets. . . they do, however, have a history of moving up very aggressively to get players they want, generally linemen. . . . last time it was shawn andrews, and before that i believe it was jerome mcdougal-- i don't remember for sure, but they might have even moved up for bunkley. . . right now, the only experienced tackle on their roster that i'm aware of is winston justice-- the guy that gave up six sacks to osi in one game. . . . :laugh:

Cugel
01-26-2009, 01:29 PM
but as general rule 1-15 teams tend to have the easiest schedule 4th place teams and the 15-1 teams get all the top teams in the their schedules..

Also remember that MIA only lost a few games by more than 7 point the year before they were in almost every game and only lacked a decent QB to make the huge transition.. The MIA defense kept them in a lot of games and only got better this year along with a good QB their running game came on stronger early in the year..

Whereas our defense was 28th or worse in all categories.. with no discernible talent.. and a complete change in scheme and and probably talent..

Your right time will tell but looking at the rough schedule it will be brutal IMHO.. depending on who we play when, on the east coast we could lose them all.. this team has never played well on the east coast and almost no western conference teams last year won at all last year when traveling to the east coast..

I know that a new coach may bring in the trick to winning out there but it may take a year to convince the players that it can happen..

I think the schedule IS hard, but it's hard for the entire division so that evens things out.

Second, just NOBODY goes from 1-15 to 11-5 in a year. That's just unheard of. To only win one game doesn't mean you were "in a lot of games" that's just consistent losing.

So, no I don't think the Broncos are suddenly going to be 13-3 but stranger things have happened (the 1999 Rams for instance going from 4-12 to 13-3 and a Super-Bowl win).

We'll have to see if the Broncos can find a veteran NT in FA and a dominating rookie NT to groom in the draft -- unless they're going to stick to the 4-3 for a season, which doesn't seem to make much sense.

If they're going to change now is the time to do it. Get over the pain of transition as quickly as possible now because they need to find a bunch of new starters on defense anyway!

So, if you don't have 1 single starter for the defensive front 7 outside of DJ Williams then why not make a big change now?

If by the end of the off-season they haven't made a splash in FA then we'll know it's going to be a slow, 3 year rebuilding project focused largely on the draft and that Pat Bowlen is going to have to be patient.

If they go out and sign Terrell Suggs and Julius Peppers or something that's different. That means they're trying for an instant turn-around.

dogfish
01-26-2009, 01:33 PM
Even if we dealt Sheff for a 7th rounder, it wouldnt be a loss and we'd be getting more value in return than if we let him walk. I wont say Pettigrew is worthy of the #12 pick, but if we can find a solid 3-4 DE (Canty) and ILB (Crowder) via FA...and Raji is gone...what do we do with #12? Given our needs and assuming some were addressed in FA, if had to choose to spend the #12 pick between Pettigrew, Cushing, Moore or Jackson...I take Pettigrew 10 times out of 10 and add that stud TE to our arsenal.


JMO, but if everette brown and orakpo are also off the board i'd almost rather take a RB in that spot. . . .

CoachChaz
01-26-2009, 01:36 PM
JMO, but if everette brown and orakpo are also off the board i'd almost rather take a RB in that spot. . . .

I understand that rationale, either way would work for me.

G_Money
01-26-2009, 01:37 PM
Even though Scheffler has 6 games in three year he has remained highly productive.

Scheffler pros:

- Great receiver as a TE. Runs good routes, has good speed, can outrun coverage for deep passes, has good hands.
- Currently cheap – he’s not making any money next year.
- Is good friends with Cutler, and we all want Cutler to have friends and influence people.
- Hard worker and good character guy.

Scheffler cons:

- Has had recurrent injury problem. Broke the same foot twice, re-aggravated it in between, may be in pain from it for 2 more years, wears shoe orthotics for the problem. Also tore groin and had various injuries to chest, knee, leg, etc.
- Bad blocker, which makes him a package player.
- About to make some money in free agency after the upcoming year.

How you value Scheff depends on how you weight the above pros and cons, as well as the ease of his replacement and his viability in a non-Shanahan offense.

We’ll get to see how McD currently values Scheff by the end of Draft Weekend. I really don’t expect a first-day TE – at ALL – and would not advocate it except in a specific set of draft and free agent circumstances, but stranger things have happened.

~G

CoachChaz
01-26-2009, 01:43 PM
It's all speculation and argument...especially considering the lack of TE usage in a McDaniels/McCoy offense.

Ziggy
01-26-2009, 02:00 PM
It's all speculation and argument...especially considering the lack of TE usage in a McDaniels/McCoy offense.

Great point Coach:

NE reception % by TE's 2007- 11%
Denver reception % by TE's 2007- 25%

NE reception % by TE's 2008- 9%
Denver reception % by TE's 2008- 23%

56crash
01-27-2009, 12:50 AM
I nominate Blue Run for greatest poster of all time.


yep you have been dooped dip shit. they are playing a game in dooping faNS OF TEAMS AT THE MANE AND THIS GUY IS PLAYING YOU GUYS

56crash
01-27-2009, 12:51 AM
Blue run go **** youself

SBboundBRONCOS
01-27-2009, 01:17 AM
Blue run go **** youself

can you prove it

fcspikeit
01-27-2009, 01:23 AM
yep you have been dooped dip shit. they are playing a game in dooping faNS OF TEAMS AT THE MANE AND THIS GUY IS PLAYING YOU GUYS

http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=533815&postcount=62


Well this isn't a Travishamockery. Taco started the that thread on the 9th. Blue Run registered on the 5th. Either Taco cheated with an early start or this guy is legit. Legit as in not part of OM game.

DenBronx
01-27-2009, 01:29 AM
someone please ban blue run.


forever.


as soon as he started talking about pettigrew i sorta wrote him off as a liar anyway.

from now on, no links = no credibility. period.

fcspikeit
01-27-2009, 01:36 AM
someone please ban blue run.


forever.


as soon as he started talking about pettigrew i sorta wrote him off as a liar anyway.

from now on, no links = no credibility. period.

The possibility of Blue Run being apart of the main game has already been discussed. The conclusion was that, he came here before the game started with his threads about Spags...

That doesn't make him legit, but it does mean, more then likely he isn't playing that game.

DenBronx
01-27-2009, 01:42 AM
The possibility of Blue Run being apart of the main game has already been discussed. The conclusion was that, he came here before the game started with his threads about Spags...

That doesn't make him legit, but it does mean, more then likely he isn't playing that game.

eh, he's still starting a bunch of rumors. whether it was before or after i really dont like people making up shit just to get a rise out of everyone because its a long offseason. let him do it on broncomania where all the nubs dwell but not here. i dont believe a word blue run has said. he is supposedly a giants fan but he cares about all the personell/draft decisions we need to make. yeah ....riiight!

fcspikeit
01-27-2009, 01:58 AM
eh, he's still starting a bunch of rumors. whether it was before or after i really dont like people making up shit just to get a rise out of everyone because its a long offseason. let him do it on broncomania where all the nubs dwell but not here. i dont believe a word blue run has said. he is supposedly a giants fan but he cares about all the personell/draft decisions we need to make. yeah ....riiight!

You don't have to believe a word he said, I'm not saying I do, but before we talk about banning someone for spreading lies, we should at least know for a fact he was lying.

He didn't really say anything that was completely off the wall.. He could have said we were trading Cutler and going after Cassel in FA.. He could have said, we are going to take a QB with our 1st pick..

All he really said was that he heard we are taking a hard look at Brandon Pettigrew, he also said we are considering Brian Cushing and that we're going to make a big offer for Peppers.. Why is any of that so unbelievable? :confused:

Even if he made it up, big deal... So we talking about the possibility of getting Peppers, big deal, we have been talking about that anyways. We talked about the possibility of drafting Pettigrew, again, big deal... I just fail to see the supposed huge blanket being pulled over everyone. :confused:

DenBronx
01-27-2009, 03:44 AM
You don't have to believe a word he said, I'm not saying I do, but before we talk about banning someone for spreading lies, we should at least know for a fact he was lying.

He didn't really say anything that was completely off the wall.. He could have said we were trading Cutler and going after Cassel in FA.. He could have said, we are going to take a QB with our 1st pick..

All he really said was that he heard we are taking a hard look at Brandon Pettigrew, he also said we are considering Brian Cushing and that we're going to make a big offer for Peppers.. Why is any of that so unbelievable? :confused:

Even if he made it up, big deal... So we talking about the possibility of getting Peppers, big deal, we have been talking about that anyways. We talked about the possibility of drafting Pettigrew, again, big deal... I just fail to see the supposed huge blanket being pulled over everyone. :confused:


just saying fc...not a big deal to talk about any of that. but its pretty strange when you have people come over from other forums and say he is continuing a game that has been going on. it does tend to make you wonder.
arent you glad im not a mod? :lever:

fcspikeit
01-27-2009, 04:19 AM
just saying fc...not a big deal to talk about any of that. but its pretty strange when you have people come over from other forums and say he is continuing a game that has been going on. it does tend to make you wonder.
arent you glad im not a mod? :lever:

Most of us were wondering when he first posted, Hell we're still wondering LOL

As with just about everything you read on the net without a credible link, most take it for what its worth... I don't know about you, but I didn't run out and start telling people the Broncos were going to draft Pettigrew in the 1st and Peppers was a sure bet in FA.

IMO, those saying we have been duped are causing more trouble then anything Blue Run said.. I have not been duped! I don't believe you were duped either. I refuse to tell everyone to **** off who says they have inside info for us, just because someone might call me a sucker for not telling them to get lost. If he really is in the know, that's great. I hope he comes back with more info. If not that's ok too. Either way, I hope he comes back, I would tell him good job, But more then that, what was he trying to get out of posting the false info here? :confused:

Was he just trying to see how many people he could get to not tell him to get lost? Wow great job you got me :rolleyes:

Also, if he turns out to be legit, the ones coming over saying he was a fake are the ones spreading the rumors. They have no more proof to that claim then Blue Run provided. Should we also ban them if that be the case? :lol:

PatricktheDookie
01-27-2009, 05:24 AM
It's the offseason. I was entertained.

Isn't that enough?

Bill Devaroe
01-27-2009, 06:33 AM
My sources at Walmart have informed me that we are going to make a strong run at Terry Bradshaw and Chad Mustard.

CoachChaz
01-27-2009, 08:43 AM
Well, if he does frequent another site, it shouldnt be too hard to validate if he's ever proven to have sources before.

As far as his claims go, yeah...it probably shouldnt be too hard to at least see why it would be curious to think the team was REALLY interested in a TE in early rounds or that it seemed strange that Bowlen would be putting together a package for Peppers with 90 year old Berry as plan B

G_Money
01-27-2009, 08:52 AM
someone please ban blue run.


forever.


as soon as he started talking about pettigrew i sorta wrote him off as a liar anyway.

from now on, no links = no credibility. period.

If I post that I have it from a reliable source that the Broncos are looking in to trading Scheffler, are you going to ask for my ban, or for me to provide a link to a news source when I just heard it from a guy who would never go on record? :confused:

If you wouldn't ban me for doing it, then banning him is wrong too.

If you would ban me for it, then this board is gonna get real boring if we're only allowed to talk about things that have already been written by somebody with news credentials (and, um, judging by how often guys like Mort are getting it wrong, maybe having news credentials doesn't make you reliable either).

If the problem is with him saying, "I saw that they were talking to X and heard they might be thinking about Y" instead of, "I hope they were talking to X and wonder if they might be thinking about Y" then I think that's a little nitpicky.

Rumors are rumors. If you put too much weight into what he says, then that's sort of your fault.

Rumors are what we get to live on for the next few months. His rumors have had us talking more about the draft than we were before.

Why is that bad, and a bannable offense? :confused:

Thicker skin is required for the sort of offseason rumor-mongering that we'll be engaged in for the next 90 days.

Just let the little stuff go.

~G

broncofaninfla
01-27-2009, 09:00 AM
I agree, banning him would be rediculous. The posts have been insightful and entertaining and have helped bring much needed life to the offseason post topics.

underrated29
01-27-2009, 11:28 AM
I havent read the last few pages, but if we banned Blue Run that is the single most stupidest reason ever for a banning. Ever!

I would much rather have Blue Run post his facts/rumors/lies here all day 24/7 than have nature boy posting his normal crap and then getting a month suspension a few days later for pissing everyone off.


I dont care if he is real or not. I dont know why any of you would either. It not going to change the outcome of the offseason or the draft. And its not going to make you a lesser person for accepting what a person on the internet is telling you they see or hear.


WHy is this an issue again?

SBboundBRONCOS
01-27-2009, 11:48 AM
http://www.reallifephotos.org/wp-content/photos/2008_05/wrong.jpg

dogfish
01-27-2009, 03:08 PM
so. . . . have we figured out yet whether blue run was on the grassy knoll?

G_Money
01-27-2009, 03:20 PM
so. . . . have we figured out yet whether blue run was on the grassy knoll?

The Grassy Gnoll:

http://www.legacieslost.com/brandon/graphics/Amphigory_E717/GrassyGnoll_thumb.gif

fcspikeit
01-27-2009, 03:29 PM
so. . . . have we figured out yet whether blue run was on the grassy knoll?

I heard he was in fact the second gunman. Word also has it, Mike Shanahan being an infant at the time, distracted the crowd by saying he would be the future head coach of the Chiefs..

Traveler
01-27-2009, 03:55 PM
Ban (possibly) someone that brings traffic to the site during a slow period?

Frikin genius! (sarcasm)

NameUsedBefore
01-27-2009, 04:17 PM
The Grassy Gnoll:

http://www.legacieslost.com/brandon/graphics/Amphigory_E717/GrassyGnoll_thumb.gif

Resists Physical Damage?! ****!


Anyway, I thought Blue Run was full of crap the entire time. However he brings interesting ideas... Can't see the point in banning someone for that.

WARHORSE
01-27-2009, 05:02 PM
Well, though I know hes a fake, he sure writes convincingly enough to get a bunch of people to participate in his charade.

Theres some value to that....................if you look hard enough. ;)







As for meself, its hard to discuss things seriously that arent projected as hypothetical when I know they are purely hypothetical or even contrived.

But thats me..........:coffee:


In the words of a very, very, very wise man:



Once I rose above the noise and confusion
Just to get a glimpse beyond this illusion
I was soaring ever higher
But I flew too high
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/warhorse001/headbanger.gif
Though my eyes could see I still was a blind man
Though my mind could think I still was a mad man
I hear the voices when I'm dreaming
I can hear them say

Carry on my wayward son
There'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don't you cry no more

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/warhorse001/headbanger.gif
Masquerading as a man with a reason
My charade is the event of the season
And if I claim to be a wise man, well
It surely means that I don't know

On a stormy sea of moving emotion
Tossed about I'm like a ship on the ocean
I set a course for winds of fortune
But I hear the voices say

Carry on my wayward son
There'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don't you cry no more
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/warhorse001/Warhorseblack.jpg

LRtagger
01-27-2009, 05:15 PM
Well, though I know hes a fake, he sure writes convincingly enough to get a bunch of people to participate in his charade.

Theres some value to that....................if you look hard enough. ;)







As for meself, its hard to discuss things seriously that arent projected as hypothetical when I know they are purely hypothetical or even contrived.

But thats me..........:coffee:

You say that, but you keep coming back and posting in the thread.

Personally, I dont take anything he posts seriously, but at least it gets us talking. Without posts like this the forum would be completely dead right now.

Any posts that make the offseason more bearable are welcome IMO. Whether he is posing as something he is not doesn't matter. He was wrong about the Spags stuff but it was still an entertaining thread.

If you think its fake or dont want to contrbute, then move on...but I see no point in people coming to the thread and trying to get the guy banned or convince other people it is fake. If it keeps people discussing personnel then why get rid of it?

After we sign our FAs and draft our rookies, no one is going to care whether this guy was right or wrong. Take it for what it is...just a discussion.

WARHORSE
01-27-2009, 06:37 PM
You say that, but you keep coming back and posting in the thread.

Personally, I dont take anything he posts seriously, but at least it gets us talking. Without posts like this the forum would be completely dead right now.

Any posts that make the offseason more bearable are welcome IMO. Whether he is posing as something he is not doesn't matter. He was wrong about the Spags stuff but it was still an entertaining thread.

If you think its fake or dont want to contrbute, then move on...but I see no point in people coming to the thread and trying to get the guy banned or convince other people it is fake. If it keeps people discussing personnel then why get rid of it?

After we sign our FAs and draft our rookies, no one is going to care whether this guy was right or wrong. Take it for what it is...just a discussion.

I have just as much right to post and comment as the next person in here. That includes saying that I think someone should be banned if I think thats appropriate..........which in Blue runs case, I havent.

Looking for credibility for different stories or statements is not something that just began with this thread, nor will it end with this thread.

How about a bunch of threads with Bogus claims on them?

JAY CUTLER TRADED!!!!!! SHANAHAN RETURNS!!!!!!! BOWLEN SELLS TEAM!!!!!! BRANDON MARSHALL QUITS!!!!!!!

Speaking for myself, Id rather not have it.

There isnt anything wrong with desiring credibility for info passed out, and there ALSO is nothing wrong with pointing out when something is a crank.


Blue Run has every right to post what he has posted.


And I have every right to comment on it.


Get used to it.

Thats the way the cookie crumbles.:coffee:

SmilinAssasSin27
01-27-2009, 09:21 PM
Agreed...not necessary for dude to be banned, but the stuff isn't being taken w/ a grain of salt my more than a few folks here. Then it carries over to different threads that are unrelated. For example, how many threads has Pattigrew now been discussed in snce Run made that comment. Some seem to take it as gospel and IMHO, that takes away from other discussions that don't pertain to his spew when they keep regergitating it elsewhere.

I agree that it givs us sumthin to discuss and I don't wanna be THAT GUY who thinks he's more street savvy than anyone else (cuz I admit I could be wrong about Run), but I also think it's important to point out what I see as BS.

DenBronx
01-27-2009, 09:56 PM
^^^^ what they said ^^^^

slim
01-27-2009, 10:08 PM
I think CSWIL should be banned.

Blue run will leave before the season starts, no need to ban him.

LRtagger
01-27-2009, 10:20 PM
I have just as much right to post and comment as the next person in here. That includes saying that I think someone should be banned if I think thats appropriate..........which in Blue runs case, I havent.

Looking for credibility for different stories or statements is not something that just began with this thread, nor will it end with this thread.

How about a bunch of threads with Bogus claims on them?

JAY CUTLER TRADED!!!!!! SHANAHAN RETURNS!!!!!!! BOWLEN SELLS TEAM!!!!!! BRANDON MARSHALL QUITS!!!!!!!

Speaking for myself, Id rather not have it.

There isnt anything wrong with desiring credibility for info passed out, and there ALSO is nothing wrong with pointing out when something is a crank.


Blue Run has every right to post what he has posted.


And I have every right to comment on it.


Get used to it.

Thats the way the cookie crumbles.:coffee:

I didnt see anyone calling for KCL's head when she posted "Mike to be the next coach of KC"


Just sayin.... :coffee:

SmilinAssasSin27
01-27-2009, 10:24 PM
I didnt see anyone calling for KCL's head when she posted "Mike to be the next coach of KC"


Just sayin.... :coffee:

KC has also been here a while and didn't use obvious grooming tactics.

Seriously...go back thru and read al his posts. First he drop the attention getting bomb. Oooohhhh, now we're all hooked. Or are we? He till doesn't know. So what's next? Atest. He grooms the crowd by using phrases like, "sorry if i'm bothering you" and the like. He doesn't care about bothering you. He wants to see how many folks will respond with affirmations like, "You're always welcome here" or "poster of the year!!!! That's his green light to spew his bile. Now he's not all the way in yet. He still has to come up w/ some reasonable soundiong shit to finish us off. I will catch shit for this, but whatever...I run sex offender groups at work...and this is TEXTBOOK!

slim
01-27-2009, 10:29 PM
I didnt see anyone calling for KCL's head when she posted "Mike to be the next coach of KC"


Just sayin.... :coffee:

You mean the post that was supported by ESPN (a story they had up for at least a week)?

Now compare that to posting whatever the hell you want based on nothing that is verifiable.

Ooh, you almost had it....so close.

Foochacho
01-27-2009, 11:27 PM
KC has also been here a while and didn't use obvious grooming tactics.

Seriously...go back thru and read al his posts. First he drop the attention getting bomb. Oooohhhh, now we're all hooked. Or are we? He till doesn't know. So what's next? Atest. He grooms the crowd by using phrases like, "sorry if i'm bothering you" and the like. He doesn't care about bothering you. He wants to see how many folks will respond with affirmations like, "You're always welcome here" or "poster of the year!!!! That's his green light to spew his bile. Now he's not all the way in yet. He still has to come up w/ some reasonable soundiong shit to finish us off. I will catch shit for this, but whatever...I run sex offender groups at work...and this is TEXTBOOK!

Is my ass hole in danger?

fcspikeit
01-28-2009, 12:08 AM
Agreed...not necessary for dude to be banned, but the stuff isn't being taken w/ a grain of salt my more than a few folks here. Then it carries over to different threads that are unrelated. For example, how many threads has Pattigrew now been discussed in snce Run made that comment. Some seem to take it as gospel and IMHO, that takes away from other discussions that don't pertain to his spew when they keep regergitating it elsewhere.

I agree that it givs us sumthin to discuss and I don't wanna be THAT GUY who thinks he's more street savvy than anyone else (cuz I admit I could be wrong about Run), but I also think it's important to point out what I see as BS.


Come on Sin, how many different players have you seen brought up that could be our 1st pick? Now we have another to talk about... Before long, there will be a shit load of mocks in the draft forum with a bunch of new names. We will talk about each members selections, some will of course take them and add the selections to their own mocks... Blue run presented a couple different ideas, that's all...

SmilinAssasSin27
01-28-2009, 12:12 AM
Come on Sin, how many different players have you seen brought up that could be our 1st pick? Now we have another to talk about... Before long, there will be a shit load of mocks in the draft forum with a bunch of new names. We will talk about each members selections, some will of course take them and add the selections to their own mocks... Blue run presented a couple different ideas, that's all...


Very distinct difference between those of us who enjoy the boredom of the offseason by putting up different scenarios and a dude showing up on at least 3 different sites tossing out unproveable, uncontestable spew under the guise that he is an insider w/ motives who needs a vague forum...blahblahblah. Screw the cryptic bullshit.

In my world, INTENT is everything.

fcspikeit
01-28-2009, 01:20 AM
In my world, INTENT is everything.

What do you think his Intent is? Did he use the same name on the other boards? I would think if he was trying a new angle he would at least change his name... Plus, he said he was at the other Broncos boards... I was told he had a lot of people believing him there, why do you suppose he gave up the act? Did he get caught in a lie?

If he really is a fake and he left the other boards, he must have accomplished what he set out to do, what do you think that was? What would his motives be?

anton...
01-28-2009, 02:34 AM
If he really is a fake and he left the other boards, he must have accomplished what he set out to do, what do you think that was? What would his motives be?

to eat puppies...

JKcatch724
01-28-2009, 04:26 AM
I'm not sayin Blue Run is credible or not... But you guys are obviously reading it. And this thread (which he started) is going on 10 pages now. How hard is it to just ignore his posts? If you don't like it, don't read it.

I personally like what he has to say. True or not, it's 1,000 times better than the stupid "which 7th string linebacker on our roster do you think can play in a 3-4" threads that pop up every day.

Chill out.

JKcatch724
01-28-2009, 04:30 AM
tossing out unproveable, uncontestable spew

That's probably 60-70% of the threads in here.... and considerably more in the offseason. What makes Blue Run any different than one of us?

WARHORSE
01-28-2009, 06:09 AM
I didnt see anyone calling for KCL's head when she posted "Mike to be the next coach of KC"


Just sayin.... :coffee:


I guess so..........

WARHORSE
01-28-2009, 06:12 AM
I'm not sayin Blue Run is credible or not... But you guys are obviously reading it. And this thread (which he started) is going on 10 pages now. How hard is it to just ignore his posts? If you don't like it, don't read it.

I personally like what he has to say. True or not, it's 1,000 times better than the stupid "which 7th string linebacker on our roster do you think can play in a 3-4" threads that pop up every day.

Chill out.


ROFL!!!!:laugh:

:salute::salute:

Bozo Jr.
01-28-2009, 06:38 AM
Geez, glad I didn't get thrown under the bus like BR. Give it a rest people. Next topic PLZ! :shocked:

TXBRONC
01-28-2009, 08:12 AM
Come on Sin, how many different players have you seen brought up that could be our 1st pick? Now we have another to talk about... Before long, there will be a shit load of mocks in the draft forum with a bunch of new names. We will talk about each members selections, some will of course take them and add the selections to their own mocks... Blue run presented a couple different ideas, that's all...

Agreed, all he's done is added some different ideas. You don't have to believe him but it's not hurting anything.

LRtagger
01-28-2009, 08:56 AM
I'm not sayin Blue Run is credible or not... But you guys are obviously reading it. And this thread (which he started) is going on 10 pages now. How hard is it to just ignore his posts? If you don't like it, don't read it.

I personally like what he has to say. True or not, it's 1,000 times better than the stupid "which 7th string linebacker on our roster do you think can play in a 3-4" threads that pop up every day.

Chill out.

This is all I'm saying. If you don't like it, dont read it. It gives some people here something to talk about so I don't see the problem.

Even if he is from another message board trying to win a game, what difference does it make? Are you all really going to be so offended that the guy was trying to dupe you? I mean, honestly...its a message board...

For all we know Mo is a 6'-6" italian boxer with dark flowing hair and creamy tan skin and slightly hairy chest. If he is trying to come across as a little leprechaun just to play a prank on us all what difference does it make.

LRtagger
01-28-2009, 09:11 AM
You mean the post that was supported by ESPN (a story they had up for at least a week)?

Now compare that to posting whatever the hell you want based on nothing that is verifiable.

Ooh, you almost had it....so close.

Right, but even after the story was disproved the thread continued with discussion of what people thought about Mike being the coach of the Chiefs. Everyone can interpret Blue Run's posts for what they are, but you cant deny that it sparks interesting discussion. Again, I personally don't think its legit but at least it is something to read.

Even still...ESPN reported a false story...something they do quite often, but people still watch it, right? Just like the people that think Blue Run is full of crap but still come back to read the threads. It is entertainment based on pure speculation. I'm not sure why people are taking it so seriously.

omac
01-28-2009, 09:26 AM
I guess so..........

Don't feel beat up about it; KCL has a lot of credibility here.

I usually don't give much credence to any story without links backing it up, unless it's by a credible poster. Blue Run hasn't built any credibility here, and is sounding more and more like he's just getting a kick yanking our chains.

SmilinAssasSin27
01-28-2009, 10:19 AM
This is all I'm saying. If you don't like it, dont read it. It gives some people here something to talk about so I don't see the problem.

Even if he is from another message board trying to win a game, what difference does it make? Are you all really going to be so offended that the guy was trying to dupe you? I mean, honestly...its a message board...

For all we know Mo is a 6'-6" italian boxer with dark flowing hair and creamy tan skin and slightly hairy chest. If he is trying to come across as a little leprechaun just to play a prank on us all what difference does it make.

And all I dd was make a few jabs about how I don't believe him. A mod or 2 didn't like it, so screw it, let the gloves come off. Why continue to be reserved if the small stuff gets a slap on the wrist? Unless I've missed something, we ar pretty welcoming to just about everyone who comes on this board. Predictions and speculation are 1 thing. I personally believe this dude is full of shit for the floowing reasons:

1-The 3-4 minimum size chart
2-The fact that he has listed just about half the potential rookies as players denver has "serious interest" in.
3-The way he came in. Some may not like my "grooming" analogy, but it follows the pattern of a "groomer" to the tee.

Look, a lot of you think he's full of it and a lot of you either like it, while not believing it or believe it. That's fine. But don't get on the soapbox saying that we're wrong for disagreeing w/ him cuz this is merely offseason fun. Maybe it's fun for me to argue about things I don't agree with. Maybe I view verbal sparring as a challenge for the brain. As much as you have the right to discuss his "info", I have the right to challenge it. It IS the friggin interweb afterall. And sure we tossed in a couple of mocking jabs, but so the hell what? Noone threatened him (that i'm aware of) and noone is calling him names out of hate. As Mizzou said, if you come in to a new community claiming to be high and mighty, then expect the citizens to challenge that. It's called human nature. I have read nothing so over the line that we need to be attacked. my 2 cents

LRtagger
01-28-2009, 11:04 AM
And all I dd was make a few jabs about how I don't believe him. A mod or 2 didn't like it, so screw it, let the gloves come off. Why continue to be reserved if the small stuff gets a slap on the wrist? Unless I've missed something, we ar pretty welcoming to just about everyone who comes on this board. Predictions and speculation are 1 thing. I personally believe this dude is full of shit for the floowing reasons:

1-The 3-4 minimum size chart
2-The fact that he has listed just about half the potential rookies as players denver has "serious interest" in.
3-The way he came in. Some may not like my "grooming" analogy, but it follows the pattern of a "groomer" to the tee.

Look, a lot of you think he's full of it and a lot of you either like it, while not believing it or believe it. That's fine. But don't get on the soapbox saying that we're wrong for disagreeing w/ him cuz this is merely offseason fun. Maybe it's fun for me to argue about things I don't agree with. Maybe I view verbal sparring as a challenge for the brain. As much as you have the right to discuss his "info", I have the right to challenge it. It IS the friggin interweb afterall. And sure we tossed in a couple of mocking jabs, but so the hell what? Noone threatened him (that i'm aware of) and noone is calling him names out of hate. As Mizzou said, if you come in to a new community claiming to be high and mighty, then expect the citizens to challenge that. It's called human nature. I have read nothing so over the line that we need to be attacked. my 2 cents

I see where you are coming from...actually when he made the post about "one last thing before I fade" or whatever...I immediately thought he was a Raiders fan messing with us (FADE)...I just kept it to myself to not take away from the discussion.

I think that is all people are asking for. If you think he's a fraud, either keep it to yourself or maybe make a new thread about it in Town Hall or whatever. I know everyone has the right to voice their opinions, but for those that are genuinely interested in the discussion it is annoying to have to deal with the OT stuff.

Whether its fake or not I like to discuss the players mentioned rather than get OT like this thread has. Again, I do think hes full of it, but he brings up topics that would have not been brought up otherwise. And with only a couple new posts in this area a day, at least it gets us talking...one way or another.

omac
01-28-2009, 11:54 AM
The other thread is called ducks in a pond; I'm thinking it's a troll's out-in-the-open joke saying "it's like shooting ducks in a pond."

I keep an open mind with new posters, but after reading a lot of his unsubstantiated "inside scoops", my conclussion is, don't feed the troll. :D

underrated29
01-28-2009, 12:31 PM
The other thread is called ducks in a pond; I'm thinking it's a troll's out-in-the-open joke saying "it's like shooting ducks in a pond."

I keep an open mind with new posters, but after reading a lot of his unsubstantiated "inside scoops", my conclussion is, don't feed the troll. :D

Normally i would say so, but he is the most fun troll and most exciting. This place sucks right now and his "insights" atleast give us something to do other than talking about sticking fingers in strippers butts.

So keep feeding him.



Mug made a point that he sounds like socal- and he does have a point, but blue runs ip supposedly is from back east. I dont think socal is from the east coast.

GEM
01-28-2009, 02:28 PM
What's wrong with just having Broncos conversations? All these threads are doing is passing time in a boring offseason. It could all just be bs....some could be true. I just don't get it. If you take it as fact I could see it, but it's all speculation until delivered by the Denver Broncos. Don't get so bent out of shape over it. Life is too short.

JKcatch724
01-28-2009, 03:02 PM
Just thinkin out loud here.... but when's the last time we've had a troll as articulate as BR?

Lonestar
01-28-2009, 03:30 PM
Just thinkin out loud here.... but when's the last time we've had a troll as articulate as BR?


when did you join? :laugh::salute:

CoachChaz
01-28-2009, 03:36 PM
when did you join? :laugh::salute:

He said articulate. That removes him from the question

JKcatch724
01-28-2009, 10:15 PM
when did you join? :laugh::salute:

Oh trust me I've seen all the trolls worth seein.

I was a member of the freak. :laugh: