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ShooterJM
11-21-2011, 05:15 PM
Found these stats at the bottom of an article about the Jets game. Thought they were interesting so I grabbed them for Tebow and 9 other QBs that range from new guys (Sanchez, Flacco, Stafford) to vets (cutler, orton, brady) to guys at the top of their game (Rogers, E. Manning).


----------------% Drop % Int % Defdd % Other % Poor % Pass Defl.
Brady------------ 2.2--------2.8-----9.4------1.4------16.7----- 1.4
C. McCoy----------6.7--------1.9-----13.4----4.7-----11.4------ 2.2
Cutler--------------6.4---------2.2----9.9-----7.3-----15.6-------0.6
E. Mning-----------3.9---------2.5-----9.9----7.3----- 13.5-------0.8
Flacco--------------4.9---------2.1----10.3----6.2-----19.8------ 1.3
Orton--------------4.5---------4.5-----11------2.6-----14.2------4.5
Rogers-------------4.3---------1.2-----5.5-----6.7-----9.7------- 0.3
Sanchez-----------5.3----------3-------9.8-----5.9----16.3------ 2.7
Stafford------------4------------2.5-----9-------6------15.1--------2
Tebow-----------6.4------------0.8-----7.2-----16.8--24--------- 0



Hopefully the table formats easily. EDIT: Well that turned out terribly. I'll try to adjust it

Defdd = Passes Defended
Pass Defl. - Passes Deflected at the line.

ShooterJM
11-21-2011, 05:25 PM
Alright, well now it's readable. My thoughts are as follows.

1) Brady has got some really sure handed receivers.

2) Tebow needs to reduce his poor throws by about 10% points to get into the right region. Rogers is a full 5% better then most.

3) The O-line deserves credit for keeping the opposing D's hands down!

4) What the heck is "other"? Obvious throw aways?

Thnikkaman
11-21-2011, 05:33 PM
Found these stats at the bottom of an article about the Jets game. Thought they were interesting so I grabbed them for Tebow and 9 other QBs that range from new guys (Sanchez, Flacco, Stafford) to vets (cutler, orton, brady) to guys at the top of their game (Rogers, E. Manning).




QB % Drop % Int % Defdd % Other % Poor % Pass Defl.
Brady 2.2 2.8 9.4 1.4 16.7 1.4
C. McCoy 6.7 1.9 13.4 4.7 11.4 2.2
Cutler 6.4 2.2 9.9 7.3 15.6 0.6
E. Mning 3.9 2. 59.9 7.3 13.5 0.8
Flacco 4.9 2.1 10.3 6.2 19.8 1.3
Orton 4.5 4.5 11 2.6 14.2 4.5
Rogers 4.3 1.2 5.5 6.7 9.7 0.3
Sanchez 5.3 3 9.8 5.9 16.3 2.7
Stafford 4 2.5 9 6 15.1 2
Tebow 6.4 0.8 7.2 16.8 24 0



Hopefully the table formats easily. EDIT: Well that turned out terribly. I'll try to adjust it

Defdd = Passes Defended
Pass Defl. - Passes Deflected at the line.

Fixed it for you

Now, statistics without reference are just numbers. So they are interesting how? That 25% of Tebow's passes are bad throws? What does % Other mean? Not asking you to post the whole article, but where is the link from where you got these stats?

Northman
11-21-2011, 05:33 PM
Alright, well now it's readable. My thoughts are as follows.

1) Brady has got some really sure handed receivers.

2) Tebow needs to reduce his poor throws by about 10% points to get into the right region. Rogers is a full 5% better then most.

3) The O-line deserves credit for keeping the opposing D's hands down!

4) What the heck is "other"? Obvious throw aways?

As an answer to the last question, probably.

Im not shocked that the dropped passes are high from McCoy, Cutler, and Tebow. Its been said before that some people think our WR core is pretty substandard. But i also would have to wonder how much of inaccurate passes that Tebow does throw become droppable passes. Looking back to the Jets game where i remember one pass going to Royal he had to quickly turn around and dive the opposite way to try and catch a pass that Tebow threw. It hit Royal in the hands but it was something he really had to dive for. So im just not sure how much of the inaccurate percentage reflects the dropped percentage when it comes to Tebow right now. I mean, out of all of them he is extremely high as far as inaccuracy.

catfish
11-21-2011, 05:36 PM
As an answer to the last question, probably.

Im not shocked that the dropped passes are high from McCoy, Cutler, and Tebow. Its been said before that some people think our WR core is pretty substandard. But i also would have to wonder how much of inaccurate passes that Tebow does throw become droppable passes. Looking back to the Jets game where i remember one pass going to Royal he had to quickly turn around and dive the opposite way to try and catch a pass that Tebow threw. It hit Royal in the hands but it was something he really had to dive for. So im just not sure how much of the inaccurate percentage reflects the dropped percentage when it comes to Tebow right now. I mean, out of all of them he is extremely high as far as inaccuracy.

My guess would be other encompases catchable balls that were not caught,(slightly different than drops per NFL definition of drop) as well as throw-aways and obvious miscommunications(receiver ran wrong route/qb threw wrong route)

rcsodak
11-21-2011, 05:41 PM
My guess would be other encompases catchable balls that were not caught,(slightly different than drops per NFL definition of drop) as well as throw-aways and obvious miscommunications(receiver ran wrong route)
More like TT threw wrong route.

Not to mention the fact that a qb needs to be able to hit the open shoulders....not just 'in the vicinity'.

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ShooterJM
11-21-2011, 06:18 PM
Fixed it for you

Now, statistics without reference are just numbers. So they are interesting how? That 25% of Tebow's passes are bad throws? What does % Other mean? Not asking you to post the whole article, but where is the link from where you got these stats?

Well, for instance, it looks like 4% drop rate is about average. I don't have time to go through and pull all the stats to get a bigger sample size though.

Orton had less drops and more passes deflected at the line. How much of that is accurate, timely delivery (and maybe Lloyd) vs Tebow's throws being requiring more effort or concentration? Similarly Orton had a higher deflection rate with the same offensive line, is that style of play, release point, or wind up?

I pulled the data initially because I was curious to see how tebow's drop % was in relation to other QBs and I wanted to see if there were any specific things that were different that maybe I wasn't picking up on while watchin the games.

Here's the link to the page where I got the stats, these are for rogers.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7200&team=9

catfish
11-21-2011, 06:30 PM
More like TT threw wrong route.

Not to mention the fact that a qb needs to be able to hit the open shoulders....not just 'in the vicinity'.

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on what percent of passes should a qb "hit the open shoulder" as opposed to throwing a catchable ball?

catfish
11-21-2011, 06:51 PM
I posted this elsewhere earlier, mod on another thread brokedown the passes and sorted them by throw-away, miscommunication, catchable ball and drops as well as details as to why he chose each

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=101435

NightTerror218
11-21-2011, 07:37 PM
I posted this elsewhere earlier, mod on another thread brokedown the passes and sorted them by throw-away, miscommunication, catchable ball and drops as well as details as to why he chose each

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=101435

would you happen to know TT completion percentages for different ranges? Like short range, mid range, deep ect..?

I seen a lot of deep passes attempted in the game. Like run and throw deep. I want to know how he is doing on short to mid range. Cause we need those percentages to get high.

wayninja
11-21-2011, 07:50 PM
After rigorously analyzing the data through a supercomputer, I have come to the conclusion that Tebow isn't the best passer in the league.

karnage
11-21-2011, 07:56 PM
As long as Denver keeps winning, and he shows progress I'm not that worried....but that is an insane amount of "other" throws...

NightTerror218
11-21-2011, 07:57 PM
As long as Denver keeps winning, and he shows progress I'm not that worried....but that is an insane amount of "other" throws...

running plays, sacks, and throw aways......if the percentage is based off snaps rather then actual throws.

catfish
11-21-2011, 08:02 PM
would you happen to know TT completion percentages for different ranges? Like short range, mid range, deep ect..?

I seen a lot of deep passes attempted in the game. Like run and throw deep. I want to know how he is doing on short to mid range. Cause we need those percentages to get high.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/13200/tim-tebow

complete splits

NightTerror218
11-21-2011, 08:06 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/13200/tim-tebow

complete splits

he is great on screens and 0-10 yards but drops off as it gets longer.

catfish
11-21-2011, 08:14 PM
he is great on screens and 0-10 yards but drops off as it gets longer.

for comparison

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/13197/sam-bradford
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/13199/colt-mccoy

BroncoJoe
11-21-2011, 11:52 PM
One of the receivers noted Tebow doesn't have a fast spin on the ball, making it more difficult to adjust to the catch.

Just something I heard the other day on the radio.

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G_Money
11-22-2011, 10:42 AM
One of the receivers noted Tebow doesn't have a fast spin on the ball, making it more difficult to adjust to the catch.

Just something I heard the other day on the radio.

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The man does not throw a tight spiral, that's for sure.

More like a "loose as a drunken navy yard floozy" sort of spiral.

~G