Jake Plummer on Tebow

[MOtorboat]

Jake Plummer wishes Tim Tebow would cut down on the religion talk

Posted by Michael David Smith on November 21, 2011, 3:42 PM EST

Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow is a Christian, as he rarely misses an opportunity to say. Former Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer says he’s heard it enough from Tebow that he doesn’t need to hear it any more.

In an interview with 910-AM in Phoenix, Plummer said that he thinks highly of the way Tebow is winning games in Denver, but he wishes Tebow would cool it on turning post-game interviews into an opportunity to proselytize.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/21/jake-plummer-wishes-tim-tebow-would-cut-down-on-the-religion-talk/

:popcorn:

[MasterShake]

Only Satan would drive a Honda Element.

[wayninja]

I've heard enough from Jake Plummer about Tim Tebow.

[Northman]

This should end well.

[sneakers]

I like how the article states that he is a Christian.

[lgenf]

Jake must be jealous of not getting press conferences or interviews at all those handball tourneys he's been playing in

[MOtorboat]

I highly doubt he formed those opinions out of jealousy.

[slim]

I like how he through Shanny under the bus. He is clearly still upset about how he was treated by Mike.

[Slick]

I kind of agree with Jake here.

We don't need to hear about your lord and savior every time you take the microphone. We heard you the first 100 times.

It's not a big deal, it just gets old.


(Purely my opinion)

[UnderArmour]

I have no problem with Jake saying this. I don't think Tebow is too horrible in the way he talks about Jesus but Jake does have a fair point. It's not like Plummer went out and bashed the guy.

[MOtorboat]

I kind of agree with Jake here.

We don't need to hear about your lord and savior every time you take the microphone. We heard you the first 100 times.

It's not a big deal, it just gets old.


(Purely my opinion)

I also want to point out that I hate when this happens. Plummer goes on for an eight-minute segment, and probably talked 6 1/2 minutes of Arizona State (on what's probably a weekly segment), and a five-second sentence is taken by Florio and crew and blown up...

[claymore]

Jake must be jealous of not getting press conferences or interviews at all those handball tourneys he's been playing in

Jake's a phagot. Dont worry about him. He has no room to judge Tebow. :hebeatsupwomen:.

[SR]

I kind of agree with Jake here.

We don't need to hear about your lord and savior every time you take the microphone. We heard you the first 100 times.

It's not a big deal, it just gets old.


(Purely my opinion)

Mine too.

[Bullgator]

I kind of agree with Jake here.

We don't need to hear about your lord and savior every time you take the microphone. We heard you the first 100 times.

It's not a big deal, it just gets old.


(Purely my opinion)

Its not for you... its for those who have yet to hear it... Tim is playing football for 1 reason and 1 reason only... to bring people to Christ.

That will never change guys... its just something you have to accept as part of the package.

[MOtorboat]

Tebow's fanaticals don't do him a lot of favors.

[dogfish]

and i wish jake plummer would have showed up to 100% of voluntary workouts while he was here, and actually tried to be a pro QB instead of just winging it every sunday. . . but that doesn't matter, and neither does anything he says about tebow. . . his opinion means exactly as much to me as merril hoge, mel kiper and oprah. . .

wake me up when somebody that i respect has something to say about the broncos. . . you know, rod smith, or some stand-up guy like that. . .

[wayninja]

If only there was some way to not listen to the post game interviews, but alas, my television hovers in the air following me at full blast after each game, forcing me to listen to Tebow thank God while I'm desperately trying to sin. Instead of hearing him repeat how he loves god, I'd rather him repeat how hard he works, or how he is taking it one day at a time, or that he has to get better. Some repeated things are great to listen to while others are not.

Seriously, of all the things to criticize Tebow about, his post game interview is what Jake picks? Really?

[GEM]

Don't you ever talk about Tim Tebow. You don't know Tim Tebow. You don't look at Tim Tebow. And you certainly wouldn't condescend to speak to Tim Tebow. So you just stick to the things you know: cheerleaders, upskirt finger shots at bars and handball!!!


:D Name that movie.

[dogfish]

Don't you ever talk about Tim Tebow. You don't know Tim Tebow. You don't look at Tim Tebow. And you certainly wouldn't condescend to speak to Tim Tebow. So you just stick to the things you know: cheerleaders, upskirt finger shots at bars and handball!!!


:D Name that movie.

the breakfast club-- duh. . .

[SR]

Its not for you... its for those who have yet to hear it... Tim is playing football for 1 reason and 1 reason only... to bring people to Christ.

That will never change guys... its just something you have to accept as part of the package.

His fans push me farther away from Christ. I get tired of hearing about it all the damn time. If his sole reason for playing football is to turn people in to Bible thumpers, he needs to find a new profession.

[MOtorboat]

The full 15 minute interview is on that page. He's mostly very positive about Tebow, except that one comment, which yes, took five seconds of a 15 minute interview and is sandwiched by a lot of praise for Tebow. It was almost the mid-section of a complete rant.

http://www.xtra910.com/pages/podcasts.php

[Slick]

Its not for you... its for those who have yet to hear it... Tim is playing football for 1 reason and 1 reason only... to bring people to Christ.

That will never change guys... its just something you have to accept as part of the package.

i never said it was for me. Don't get it twisted. Let's just leave it at that. I stand by my earlier post.

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[catfish]

The full 15 minute interview is on that page. He's mostly very positive about Tebow, except that one comment, which yes, took five seconds of a 15 minute interview and is sandwiched by a lot of praise for Tebow. It was almost the mid-section of a complete rant.

http://www.xtra910.com/pages/podcasts.php

par for the course, just another in a string of what I considered positive articles where 1 negative thing was said or taken out of context and blown up to get web page hits, (see "he would be screwed, are you comitted to Tebow as the future QB....no)

[claymore]

and i wish jake plummer would have showed up to 100% of voluntary workouts while he was here, and actually tried to be a pro QB instead of just winging it every sunday. . . but that doesn't matter, and neither does anything he says about tebow. . . his opinion means exactly as much to me as merril hoge, mel kiper and oprah. . .

wake me up when somebody that i respect has something to say about the broncos. . . you know, rod smith, or some stand-up guy like that. . .

Great Post.

[Nomad]

God Bless everyone here even the Jakester!

[Dzone]

I agree with Plummer. We all know Tebow loves Jesus, but to keep reminding us over and over and over is a bit much. For petes sake, it is just a GAME!
Yes, after hearing him say it 1000 tmes, well, it is becoming annoying.
I love Tebow, just wish he would chill on the proselityzing.

[dogfish]

Great Post.

love you too, clay. . .

we'll never agree on champ bailey, but we see plummer exactly the same. . .

:D

[wayninja]

If he keeps winning, he could say in the post interview that my mother is whore and I would probably clap.

[chazoe60]

I agree with Plummer. We all know Tebow loves Jesus, but to keep reminding us over and over and over is a bit much. For petes sake, it is just a GAME!
Yes, after hearing him say it 1000 tmes, well, it is becoming annoying.
I love Tebow, just wish he would chill on the proselityzing.

It's his faith and part of his faith is to be humble under God and when people ask him questions that are essentially "you're so awesome, how do you do it?" his belief is that he must first show graciousness to his God. It is almost involuntary for him. It is a requirement of his faith, I'm not going to fault him for it.


I'm not overly religious but I'm not going to fault a guy for practicing his beliefs.

[Nomad]

If he keeps winning, he could say in the post interview that my mother is whore and I would probably clap.

You should be ashamed....respect your mother:tsk:

[wayninja]

You should be ashamed....respect your mother:tsk:

I love my mother, but words never hurt me. On the other hand, losing is like acid being poured into my gouged out eye-sockets.

Let's put it in perspective; Would we rather have him thank his God and then his team and say how hard he is going to work, or do we want him to say that he's got to cut the interview short because he's got to slam a few 40's and head over to his underage girlfriends house?

[OrangeHoof]

I highly doubt he formed those opinions out of jealousy.

Why? Jake got run out of town for doing the same sort of ad-libbed b.s. that Timmy is being celebrated for. It has to annoy the hell out of him.

[Davii]

Why? Jake got run out of town for doing the same sort of ad-libbed b.s. that Timmy is being celebrated for. It has to annoy the hell out of him.

Tim actually is left handed though, so it's ok that he throws lefty.

Jake was run out of town to make room for Jay. No other reason.

[MOtorboat]

Why? Jake got run out of town for doing the same sort of ad-libbed b.s. that Timmy is being celebrated for. It has to annoy the hell out of him.

That's Jake's point. That doesn't make him jealous of Tebow, he's making a comparison between his abilities and attributes to Tebow's. There's definitely some bravado there, but no jealousy.

[BroncoJoe]

Couldn't care less.

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[Broncos Mtnman]

and i wish jake plummer would have showed up to 100% of voluntary workouts while he was here, and actually tried to be a pro QB instead of just winging it every sunday. . . but that doesn't matter, and neither does anything he says about tebow. . . his opinion means exactly as much to me as merril hoge, mel kiper and oprah. . .

That brought tears to my eyes.

Beautiful, simply beautiful.

:beer:

[TXBRONC]

That brought tears to my eyes.

Beautiful, simply beautiful.

:beer:

Mntman it's down right scary that a thread about Plummer is started and there you are. :lol:

[Locnar]

I don't think he's forcing it down our throats. He's not like those dicks on t.v. asking for your money. He just wants what's good for you.


On a side note. I think I just heard Tom Brady yell out "Porno Porno, Sugar Sugar" as a play

[Superchop 7]

The irony is that Jake is a guy that did life "his own" way, did not care if he went against the grain.

and yet.....

This is "the" aspect of Tebow he doesn't like. (Individualism)

Sorry Jake.......look in the mirror sometime.

[I Eat Staples]

Its not for you... its for those who have yet to hear it... Tim is playing football for 1 reason and 1 reason only... to bring people to Christ.

That will never change guys... its just something you have to accept as part of the package.

So winning games has nothing to do with it? Or I don't know, love of the sport? That's a pretty big assumption on your part.

I agree with what Slick said. It doesn't matter to me what his beliefs are, but there's no need to turn every interview into a preaching session. He can go ahead and believe in whatever god he wants as long as he wins games, but I see no reason he has to remind us he's a Christian every chance he gets.

It doesn't really bother me, I just see it as silly and unnecessary.

[Broncos Mtnman]

Mntman it's down right scary that a thread about Plummer is started and there you are. :lol:

It's kind of like Star Wars.

I am drawn to the website when Jake is discussed just as the force drew Luke to destroy his father.

I bring balance to the force.

:lol:

[MOtorboat]

The irony is that Jake is a guy that did life "his own" way, did not care if he went against the grain.

and yet.....

This is "the" aspect of Tebow he doesn't like. (Individualism)

Sorry Jake.......look in the mirror sometime.

While Jake definitely has a Howard Roark complex, you didn't listen to the full interview, did you?

[jhildebrand]

Only Satan would drive a Honda Element.

Only his brother Lucifer would drive a Prius.

Just sayin.

[jhildebrand]

and i wish jake plummer would have showed up to 100% of voluntary workouts while he was here, and actually tried to be a pro QB instead of just winging it every sunday. . . but that doesn't matter, and neither does anything he says about tebow. . . his opinion means exactly as much to me as merril hoge, mel kiper and oprah. . .

wake me up when somebody that i respect has something to say about the broncos. . . you know, rod smith, or some stand-up guy like that. . .

Thread should have ended here ^
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[BroncoJoe]

I liked the snake.

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[Joel]

I like how the article states that he is a Christian.
Impossible; everyone who objects to Tebows unbroken litany hates Jesus. And puppies.

I like how he through Shanny under the bus. He is clearly still upset about how he was treated by Mike.
You should click the link for that at the other link, 'cos the worst thing he said about Shanny was, "I think we are seeing he isn’t the special coach we thought he was. He’s a great coach, but he’s not like some of those guys that will take a player…Coach [John] Fox man look at what he is doing." Two sentences within a fairly long paragraph where Plummer all but says he was a lot younger and stupider when he was giving Shanny crap, that he was "lucky" to play for Shanny because his former coach "turned [his] career around." His comments read more like chagrined than bitter to me, but that's just me.

Its not for you... its for those who have yet to hear it... Tim is playing football for 1 reason and 1 reason only... to bring people to Christ.

That will never change guys... its just something you have to accept as part of the package.
In the old days, guys like that went to seminaries, not the NFL Combine. I guess some things do change.

His fans push me farther away from Christ. I get tired of hearing about it all the damn time. If his sole reason for playing football is to turn people in to Bible thumpers, he needs to find a new profession.
THIS is MY objection, more than anything else. Maybe I'm a little hypersensitive, because it's certainly nothing novel or unique with Tebow, but I am VERY weary of trying to work around this kind of "help." People know where you stand and how you feel; after that, you witness with your life, not your lips. "Always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear," but until someone does ask, a little more meekness might not go amiss. No one has to be Christian, but those who are ought to know it's predicated on the notion they were given the greatest of gifts despite the greatest unworth; the implication people can be "converted through envy" doesn't square with that, at all.

And let's get something straight now: When non-Christians object to condescending preaching, the millionaire QB who was doing national TV ads before he was out of college is not being "persecuted" for Christ. THIS guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youcef_Nadarkhani is being persecuted for Christ. Try to keep a little perspective, folks; I WISH I had Tebows problems, but that desire is not the basis of my faith.

I love my mother, but words never hurt me. On the other hand, losing is like acid being poured into my gouged out eye-sockets.

Let's put it in perspective; Would we rather have him thank his God and then his team and say how hard he is going to work, or do we want him to say that he's got to cut the interview short because he's got to slam a few 40's and head over to his underage girlfriends house?
If he said it while 4-1, would that mean people watching should join him? I'll stop there, 'cos I'm (yet again) afraid I'm leaving Broncos Talk territory for P&R territory. Not so long ago I didn't have to worry about that.... :tsk:

[FlyByU]

I disagree TT should be allowed to say as he feels just like the rest of us spout our 2 cents worth why not TT or Revis or TO, or Chad Johnson etc...

[Simple Jaded]

The best part of the article is the comments, say a single negative thing about Tebow and people lose their ******* mind.

Hide your eyes, Mtnman.......I kinda miss Jake Plummer and l don't know how anybody can watch the QB'ing for Denver since Hurricane Josh hit and not wonder if Plummer is in shape.......

[wayninja]

The thread title suggest a much greater amount of homo-eroticism than I am seeing in here.

[sneakers]

The thread title suggest a much greater amount of homo-eroticism than I am seeing in here.



oKI-tD0L18A

[sneakers]

The Headline in the The USA Today says "Broncos' Tebow has fan in Plummer"

"Tebow is a winner, though. I like that, because I think the town and the fans and everybody there, are craving a winner. They lost one when I was run out of town."

[Dreadnought]

It's his faith and part of his faith is to be humble under God and when people ask him questions that are essentially "you're so awesome, how do you do it?" his belief is that he must first show graciousness to his God. It is almost involuntary for him. It is a requirement of his faith, I'm not going to fault him for it.


I'm not overly religious but I'm not going to fault a guy for practicing his beliefs.

Exactly. I'm in the same boat as you in re: this is not my "brand" of Christianity either, but he has no choice. It is an obligation for him to "Witness" and he would be a fraud if he didn't. Besides, the media obsesses over his Christianity more than he actually does. Example; his long NFL Network interview after the Jets game. He mentioned his Christianity exactly once, at the beginning of the interview, and that was it. He spent an enormous amount of time praising his teammates and coaches after that. Refreshing.

As for Plummer? I don't give a Rat's wazoo what he has to say, really. I'm not an admirer :D

[claymore]

From what ive seen I want my son to be like Tim Tebow, and nothing like Jake Plummer. That sums it all up for me.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

So, are there any other ex-Broncos we should ask for their opinion on Tebow (especially ones who were traded away due to be being replaced)? Maybe we should ask Nate Webster or Marlon McRee? Perhaps Darius Watts or Charlie Adams would like to chime in and get their 5 seconds of fame?

Jake Plummer would have still been our QB had he not played himself out of the job. The things that have happened since that day have not changed my opinion of him and don't lull me into some nostalgia to make him out to be more than he was. He was a competitor, but also a loose cannon, on the field and his propensity to turn the ball over cost him his job. Off the field, his actions were questionable at best and he wasn't the type of guy you necessarily want as the face of your franchise. He had his shot, he blew it. Stick with relative obscurity and your handball, Jake.

I think it is retarded that the local Denver media chases this guy down after all these years to interview him as if anyone still really cares what he has to say.

Oh, and one last thing, who cares if Tebow praises God publicly? Who was leading the after-game prayer? Dawkins. Greg Jennings had a segment done about him early in the year where he gives thanks to God repeatedly, no fallout from that. Kurt Warner, before he became a broadcaster and it became a no-no, used to do it all the time. Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin still do it all the time. Several Boxers, Baseball players, Basketball players, and yes, even Football players thank God for their successes and pray for strength - publicly. No fallout. The bottom line is, it's okay as long as you're not Tim Tebow, I guess.

I don't give a crap one way or another. If Tim is drawing strength from a higher power, so be it, it's working! Keep praying, Tim, and keep winning!!!

[MileHighCrew]

How come it is ok for TT to go to one knee and salute Jesus, but it isn't ok for Decker to go to one knee and salute the troops?
Kind of off topic but that is my question to the NFL.

[MOtorboat]

How come it is ok for TT to go to one knee and salute Jesus, but it isn't ok for Decker to go to one knee and salute the troops?
Kind of off topic but that is my question to the NFL.

Tebow has yet to do that in the endzone. He always waits until he's on the sideline, so it's hard to compare at this point.

The NFL has said going to the ground in any form other than prayer is a penalty.

[rationalfan]

I love Plummer.

[MileHighCrew]

Tebow has yet to do that in the endzone. He always waits until he's on the sideline, so it's hard to compare at this point.

The NFL has said going to the ground in any form other than prayer is a penalty.

maybe not Tebow but it has been done many times.

I don't run the NFL and it is their rules but I will state that is stupid IMO.
Thanks for clearing that up MO.

[claymore]

I love Plummer.

Try and think on this rationally.

[TXBRONC]

Its not for you... its for those who have yet to hear it... Tim is playing football for 1 reason and 1 reason only... to bring people to Christ.

That will never change guys... its just something you have to accept as part of the package.

That's bull. He plays the game because he loves the game and loves competition. He doesn't play the for the sake of Christianity. Any endeavor he chose to be in he would take Christianity with him.

[BroncoNut]

I like how he through Shanny under the bus. He is clearly still upset about how he was treated by Mike.

I like how you spell threw

[BroncoNut]

Here's my take. As a Christian, Tim is really doing the correct thing. Maybe a non football fan in flipping threw channels and hears Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in a tt post game interview and has a conversion. who knows? I can understand Jake Plummer, but really, does Tim spend that much time on JC? I know it's frequent, but comeon. And he does hug his teammates and thank others besides Christ. He thanks Christ first which imo, is the correct way

[claymore]

Here's my take. As a Christian, Tim is really doing the correct thing. Maybe a non football fan in flipping threw channels and hears Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in a tt post game interview and has a conversion. who knows? I can understand Jake Plummer, but really, does Tim spend that much time on JC? I know it's frequent, but comeon. And he does hug his teammates and thank others besides Christ. He thanks Christ first which imo, is the correct way

I wish I was as good a Christian as Tebow. For a young guy, I really look up to him for that.

[slim]

I like how you spell threw

Yeah, I screwed up.

I am sorry.

[claymore]

Yeah, I screwed up.

I am sorry.

Everyone does it. Its important to put it behind you and prepare for the next post. :wink:

[BroncoNut]

Yeah, I screwed up.

I am sorry.

just giving you a very hard time. but you know, I didin't see where Pummer threw MS under the bus. I'll have to go back and look. hmmm

[slim]

Everyone does it. Its important to put it behind you and prepare for the next post. :wink:

I will pray on it and leave it in God's hands.

[claymore]

just giving you a very hard time. but you know, I didin't see where Pummer threw MS under the bus. I'll have to go back and look. hmmm

A Mile High Crew would say. "He was a real dick aboot it".

[claymore]

I will pray on it and leave it in God's hands.

Its not how you fell down, but how you picked yourself up. Thats what my parents always taught me.

[BroncoNut]

A Mile High Crew would say. "He was a real dick aboot it".

I love MHC. The man knows his porn

[claymore]

I love MHC. The man knows his porn

I havent talked with him on that.

[BroncoNut]

I havent talked with him on that.

He might be afraid of offending you and/or Mo in sharing on that

[slim]

MHC, fire up a porn thread.

tia.

[arapaho2]

I kind of agree with Jake here.

We don't need to hear about your lord and savior every time you take the microphone. We heard you the first 100 times.

It's not a big deal, it just gets old.


(Purely my opinion)


disagree


what gets old is the parade of atheletes who when interviewed...say "first i'll give all praise to our lord and savior" or look to the heavens, or say "thank jesus for without him none of this is possible"

then go out and screw skanks and booze it up getting their name in the bad light


i dont mind a person who honestly believes with all his heart saying it

[BroncoNut]

MHC, fire up a porn thread.

tia.

actually, I probably shouldn't have said anything about it. MHC and I have shared on this subject. Our interest and participation in the subject is quite pedestrian. In other words, no actors were hurt. I never really got into porn much at all. For me, it's kinda funny to see what's out there sometimes. MHC just referred me to a particular piece which was, indeed, a bit extraordinary. (To me, still boring after 15 minutes,.. same old same old)

[slim]

actually, I probably shouldn't have said anything about it. MHC and I have shared on this subject. Our interest and participation in the subject is quite pedestrian. In other words, no actors were hurt. I never really got into porn much at all. For me, it's kinda funny to see what's out there sometimes. MHC just referred me to a particular piece which was, indeed, a bit extraordinary. (To me, still boring after 15 minutes,.. same old same old)

I don't really care about it at all. I think most of the stuff out there is way to freaky for my taste.

I am a simple man, Nut....with simple needs.

[Dreadnought]

actually, I probably shouldn't have said anything about it. MHC and I have shared on this subject. Our interest and participation in the subject is quite pedestrian. In other words, no actors were hurt. I never really got into porn much at all. For me, it's kinda funny to see what's out there sometimes. MHC just referred me to a particular piece which was, indeed, a bit extraordinary. (To me, still boring after 15 minutes,.. same old same old)

MHC has actually spent time in this place, with the Canadian Military

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alert,_Nunavut

I think pretty much all a man could do up there is watch pron, really. It would keep the chill out. I don't hold it against him even a little bit

[BroncoNut]

I don't really care about it at all. I think most of the stuff out there is way to freaky for my taste.

I am a simple man, Nut....with simple needs.

yeah, outside of the canine stuff, my sexual escapades are probably pretty standard. for example, I've never partaken in oral sex on either end (giving or receiving). I have never had anal sex either way either. but I am not a virgin

[BroncoNut]

MHC has actually spent time in this place, with the Canadian Military

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alert,_Nunavut

I think pretty much all a man could do up there is watch pron, really. It would keep the chill out. I don't hold it against him even a little bit

Nobody has suggested holding anything against him Dread. Please stop baiting people. thanks

[BroncoNut]

disagree


what gets old is the parade of atheletes who when interviewed...say "first i'll give all praise to our lord and savior" or look to the heavens, or say "thank jesus for without him none of this is possible"

then go out and screw skanks and booze it up getting their name in the bad light


i dont mind a person who honestly believes with all his heart saying it

If I could salute this a million times, I would.

[MileHighCrew]

A Mile High Crew would say. "He was a real dick aboot it".

Y'all being tuff on Plummer..... Was that more American? LOL

[MileHighCrew]

I love MHC. The man knows his porn

Love you too, and yes in that way

[MileHighCrew]

MHC, fire up a porn thread.

tia.

would that go in the lounge or in movies:confused:

[BroncoNut]

I don't really care about it at all. I think most of the stuff out there is way to freaky for my taste.

I am a simple man, Nut....with simple needs.

me too Slim. all I really want from female company are my very simple sexual needs met (iow, just get me off), and then just be quiet, or better yet, go away


(just kidding folks)

[MileHighCrew]

Wow I think it sounds like I am crazy about porn.
Ok for the record I shared 1 DVD with Nut that was speciality type. I'm sure my knowledge is limited on the subject but I am always willing to learn. :)


oh and I agree with Jake. I have no problem with Tebow's religion, but I am not watching football to learn to follow God. Also if the NFL has a problem with Decker saluting people who we know gave their lives for the people on the field and in the stands then I don't think it is right any player should be allowed to salute Jesus because they believe he gave his life for the people.

[BroncoNut]

Wow I think it sounds like I am crazy about porn.
Ok for the record I shared 1 DVD with Nut that was speciality type. I'm sure my knowledge is limited on the subject but I am always willing to learn. :)


oh and I agree with Jake. I have no problem with Tebow's religion, but I am not watching football to learn to follow God. Also if the NFL has a problem with Decker saluting people who we know gave their lives for the people on the field and in the stands then I don't think it is right any player should be allowed to salute Jesus because they believe he gave his life for the people.

That's my fault MHC. I apologize. I can speak from experience that I know very well how things can escalate rapidly here.

[MileHighCrew]

MHC has actually spent time in this place, with the Canadian Military

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alert,_Nunavut

I think pretty much all a man could do up there is watch pron, really. It would keep the chill out. I don't hold it against him even a little bit

Alert is awesome. If you ever get a chance to go there or Thule Greenland jump at it. Way better then I expected, trip of a lifetime and I've gone a few times

[MileHighCrew]

That's my fault MHC. I apologize. I can speak from experience that I know very well how things can escalate rapidly here.

Hell Nut if I am known as the porn guy that is a lot better than what some people are known for LOL :beer:

[BroncoNut]

Hell Nut if I am known as the porn guy that is a lot better than what some people are known for LOL :beer:

yeah, banging dogs isn't too cool I suppose

[camdisco24]

Tebow just responded to Plummer's comments on First Take.

He said he will always continue to praise Jesus Christ. He compared it to loving your wife. If you truly love her, you will tell her that every day. He said his relationship with Jesus is no different.

His answers was much better than what I just typed out, but it was a perfect, respectful response.

[rationalfan]

Try and think on this rationally.

it's hard for me to be objective about plummer because i admire the guy for doing what he wants, saying what he wants and being who he really is without caring what anyone thinks of him.

from flipping off the fans to quitting football to talking about tebow, plummer doesn't worry about pleasing the media/fans/social norms or providing tidy soundbites that make him sound good to the people who don't know the whole story. he's just being plummer. i admire that. even if i disagree with what he says/does.

[BroncoNut]

Tebow just responded to Plummer's comments on First Take.

He said he will always continue to praise Jesus Christ. He compared it to loving your wife. If you truly love her, you will tell her that every day. He said his relationship with Jesus is no different.

His answers was much better than what I just typed out, but it was a perfect, respectful response.

if I were in T's position, I'd tell the naysayers to go eff themselves

[TXBRONC]

I really don't care what Plummer thinks. I don't mean it in a rude way, it just his opinion is what is and so be it. His opinion has no effect on wins and loses for this team.

[MileHighCrew]

yeah, banging dogs isn't too cool I suppose

I read that while I was on the phone with my boss and I started laughing so hard, he was yelling at me, "what's so funny about a fly pass!!!"

damn that is classic.

[BroncoNut]

it's hard for me to be objective about plummer because i admire the guy for doing what he wants, saying what he wants and being who he really is without caring what anyone thinks of him.

from flipping off the fans to quitting football to talking about tebow, plummer doesn't worry about pleasing the media/fans/social norms or providing tidy soundbites that make him sound good to the people who don't know the whole story. he's just being plummer. i admire that. even if i disagree with what he says/does.

Yeah, I always liked Jake for many of those reasons. I believe in freedom, and with that goes that of expression

[BORDERLINE]

Look, for real believe what you want to believe.

You can be catholic, christian, muslim,etc.

You have the right to speak your mind and if Tebow believes he needs to give Jesus a shout out every time he is in front of the mic then I don't care.

I watched Kurt Warner get on the podium after SB34 and scream "THANK YOU JESUS!!" no bigger stage/platform than that one right there.

You can practice any religion in this country that's what makes it beautiful. If you don't like what he has to say don't listen to the pre/post game interviews. It's not hard people really.

And one quick thing about Plummer. I really liked the guy but when it came time and clutch situations he could not get us over that hump. That AFC Championship game was horrible. I heard him either this summer or last on the Jim Rome show and he talked about Shanny. He basically said Shanny over prepared when it came to games and that he really took the fun out of the game for him. Made Plummer lose the love of the game sort of speak.

[MileHighCrew]

Look, for real believe what you want to believe.

You can be catholic, christian, muslim,etc.

You have the right to speak your mind and if Tebow believes he needs to give Jesus a shout out every time he is in front of the mic then I don't care.

I watched Kurt Warner get on the podium after SB34 and scream "THANK YOU JESUS!!" no bigger stage/platform than that one right there.

You can practice any religion in this country that's what makes it beautiful. If you don't like what he has to say don't listen to the pre/post game interviews. It's not hard people really.

And one quick thing about Plummer. I really liked the guy but when it came time and clutch situations he could not get us over that hump. That AFC Championship game was horrible. I heard him either this summer or last on the Jim Rome show and he talked about Shanny. He basically said Shanny over prepared when it came to games and that he really took the fun out of the game for him. Made Plummer lose the love of the game sort of speak.

I've told this story before but I met Jake at a hand ball tournament in Winnipeg, he signed my Broncos jersey and a hat for me. He told me the same thing. No reporters no anything the dude just chatted with me between games because I took the time to go down and say hi. Said he still loved football and if he could only play Sunday's and not the other stuff he would go back today, but Shanny killed the fun for him.

[camdisco24]

At the end of the day... there are A LOT worse things Tebow could be saying/preaching. We should really be thankful that he isn't saying stupid stuff that puts us in the media for all the wrong reasons.

[lgenf]

Aft the interview with skip today

Plummer looks like an asshat

Tim thanked him for calling him a winner and then gave a good story about why he says what he says everyday and it's one that NO ONE could argue with

[I Eat Staples]

Tebow just responded to Plummer's comments on First Take.

He said he will always continue to praise Jesus Christ. He compared it to loving your wife. If you truly love her, you will tell her that every day. He said his relationship with Jesus is no different.

His answers was much better than what I just typed out, but it was a perfect, respectful response.

Lol, comparing loving your wife to something you just BELIEVE in.

[BroncoNut]

At the end of the day... there are A LOT worse things Tebow could be saying/preaching. We should really be thankful that he isn't saying stupid stuff that puts us in the media for all the wrong reasons.

I was thinking on that too. He could be taking the opportunity to be thanking the Beatles or Castle Greyskull or something. I think he is doing the right thing.

[BroncoNut]

Lol, comparing loving your wife to something you just BELIEVE in.

I don't know if camdisco paraphrased that correctly. kinda think it was a bad analogy. If in that position, and f I were married, my wife would be the last person I would thank. Because everything painful and miserable in my life would be because of her

[MileHighCrew]

I don't know if camdisco paraphrased that correctly. kinda think it was a bad analogy. If in that position, and f I were married, my wife would be the last person I would thank. Because everything painful and miserable in my life would be because of her

I kind of get it, my wife is amazing. She is the solution and most the time I am the problem.

[camdisco24]

I don't know if camdisco paraphrased that correctly. kinda think it was a bad analogy. If in that position, and f I were married, my wife would be the last person I would thank. Because everything painful and miserable in my life would be because of her

No the way I wrote it is basically what he said. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

Now, I can't comment on everyones personal experience with their wives... :lol:

[lgenf]

Cam got it right

If you love your wife, is it fair to ONLY tell her you love her the day you get married, or SHOULD you tell her EVERY day

That because of his relationship with JC, that he takes every opportunity to profess his faith and love for JC for all that he has done for himself personally and for all mankind by what he did by dying on the cross.

Now if folks don't believe that is neither here nor there, that is Just WHY he does it

You can believe or not, but that is his belief, and that is why he does it, and for him, it's not up for debate, he will continue to do it

[MOtorboat]

Aft the interview with skip today

Plummer looks like an asshat

Tim thanked him for calling him a winner and then gave a good story about why he says what he says everyday and it's one that NO ONE could argue with

You should listen to the full interview with Plummer. He fully supports Tebow and that's about the only thing he said that could be construed negatively, which was of course picked up by Florio and his cronies.

[lgenf]

You should listen to the full interview with Plummer. He fully supports Tebow and that's about the only thing he said that could be construed negatively, which was of course picked up by Florio and his cronies.

I get that MO

I didn't say I think he's an asshat

I just think because he said it, and that's what was focused on by the media, and now we have Tebows response to hearing it, he looks bad

[lgenf]

I hate the media . HATE the media. From Erin Andrews to Andrew Botrell

Ummm Nut,

That's like A to B

Not A to Z

Shouldn't it be like

I hate them all from Erin Andrews to Andrew Zeets?

Then it's like an A to Z thing and encompasses them all, you know?

[BroncoNut]

Ummm Nut,

That's like A to B

Not A to Z

Shouldn't it be like

I hate them all from Erin Andrews to Andrew Zeets?

Then it's like an A to Z thing and encompasses them all, you know?

no, I don't think so

[nflfan]

Tebow is the genuine article. He sees football as a vehicle to spread God's Word.

I may not like his football playing style, but I do respect him.

People want to interview Tebow, then Tebow should be able to say what he wants to say. People who don't like what he has to say can always tune out.

[Dzone]

I respect Tim Tebow for living a virtuous Christian life. It takes some serious self discipline to be so dedicated to his beliefs. That in itself is hugely admirable. It's great that loads of young kids are inspired to live clean Christian lives by Tebow.
Im just saying that his life speaks for itself and he doesnt even need to say it, everybody can see it in his works and in his heart. If he is wanting to give glory to God, he already does it with his day in and day out commitment. Tebow does a lot of things for people that nobody ever hears about and he keeps it that way. He definitely reflects what a true Christian is, at least in my interpretation. He seems very humble and selfless.
It was discussed today that maybe players should start endorsing political candidates during postgame interviews. "I would first like to endorse Barak Obama for President"...

[Agent of Orange]

Jake Quitter needs to just go away and stay there.

[I Eat Staples]

I think you guys misunderstood my point. I was saying loving your wife is much more important than simple "faith," not the other way around. I know faith is important to some people but your wife is an actual, physical part of your life. Faith is just that, faith. It's not something you can be sure about, which is why it's a bit ridiculous for Tebow to do so much preaching in his interviews.

[BroncoJoe]

Eh. If you don't care to listen to it, don't. There are a lot of people spouting stuff I'd rather not hear. It is what it is and I couldn't give a rats ass either way.

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[wayninja]

I think you guys misunderstood my point. I was saying loving your wife is much more important than simple "faith," not the other way around. I know faith is important to some people but your wife is an actual, physical part of your life. Faith is just that, faith. It's not something you can be sure about, which is why it's a bit ridiculous for Tebow to do so much preaching in his interviews.

There are times when when faith is much more important than actual, physical things or people.

Having said that, I love the ocean, so I would be sure to mention that in any interview thrown my way.

[I Eat Staples]

It won't bother me as long as we're winning. If he's going to lead a 95 yard game winning drive, he can say whatever the hell he wants in the interview.

[BroncoNut]

I kind of get it, my wife is amazing. She is the solution and most the time I am the problem.

c,mon, be honest. Your wife doesn't sign on here does she?

[Northman]

I dont care if Tebow is expressing himself with his faith. Its not like he is standing there on a podium and judging people and trying to preach about it. He only talks about what it means to him and his personal life. Thats the very least of my concerns when it comes to him as a player.

[nevcraw]

tebow is the sunken house w/ the roof sticking out of the flood for all the has beens and never were to cling to for dear life and scream for help... and the media is the helicopter with the swinging rope..

[silkamilkamonico]

Certainly agree with Plunger on Shanahan. He has next year to make the playoffs with the Redskins, and if not his NFL coaching career is likely over.

[FanInAZ]

His fans push me farther away from Christ. I get tired of hearing about it all the damn time. If his sole reason for playing football is to turn people in to Bible thumpers, he needs to find a new profession.

This was something that Kurt Warner acknowledged that figured out after a while. Speaking as the former Vice President of the Mesa (AZ) High chapter of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes; I thought that the modern day Christian athlete was being taught this. I remember that there was a lot of back lash against Christian pro athletes in the '80s & '90s doing what I watched Tebow do when he was interview after the Jets game.

The concept that I've learned to live by is one that I 1st heard taught in the churches in the '90s was "friendship" or "lifestyle evangelism." It's grounded in the concept that actions speak louder than words. Instead of spouting of about God for the 10 billionth time, your evangelism is based on living the most exemplary life possible. When you fail, you make a no excuses apology. This includes making no excuses for your pride, selfishness, impatience, being short tempered, etc. When you take seriously your need to uproot such character flaws from your core personality, then the people around you look more favorably on the path that you are walking and some will start asking questions. That’s when you’ll have an open door to share your faith with someone who is more likely to receive what you are sharing.

One final note. Many try to use the concept that we learn through repetition to justify nagging. This isn't limited to just religion, but is also used by parents when dealing with their children as well as spouses. Although repetition may work will in obtaining book knowledge; it actually plays very little part in obtaining life knowledge. It's not how many times someone hears something before they except it, but when they have come to a place of willing to except what they are hearing. Telling someone the same thing over and over again is more likely to irritate them and frustrate you due to the lack of improvement in the situation. This principle plays out for both spiritual & Earthly issues alike.

[Joel]

Exactly. I'm in the same boat as you in re: this is not my "brand" of Christianity either, but he has no choice. It is an obligation for him to "Witness" and he would be a fraud if he didn't. Besides, the media obsesses over his Christianity more than he actually does. Example; his long NFL Network interview after the Jets game. He mentioned his Christianity exactly once, at the beginning of the interview, and that was it.
Actually, he explicitly mentioned it three times, twice within the first minute, though the most revealing instance was at about 8:00 (which brings the total to four references in an 11:00 interview if you count "faith, hope and love") when he says the greatest thing about the NFL is that it gives a "platform" to "influence the next generation" as "role models."
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-thursday-night-football/09000d5d8243b704/Tebow-joins-the-set

With all the guys over the years who've explicitly and publicly said, "I am not a role model," I am ecstatic Tebow recognizes and takes seriously his responsibility in that regard: When you're out there in front of the cameras with millions of young kids admiringly screaming your name, yes, you're a role model for them, whether you like it or not. Anyone who doesn't want that part of the job along with all the perks should not apply for the job.

That said, the idea my starting QB is playing for my team primarily to promote his personal agenda bothers me on multiple levels, regardless of whether I happen to personally share all or part of that agenda. If a guy deliberately uses his position on my team to influence a whole generation of kids, I guess this is better than sexting reporters (this thread recently took an... odd turn, btw, :tongue:) staging dog fights, stockpiling guns or knifing someone to death in a bar, but I would prefer he skip it altogether. Accepting the responsibility that comes with the job is great; seeking a platform is not.

Lol, comparing loving your wife to something you just BELIEVE in.
No, that's not fair, IMHO. Tebow is absolutely right that Christ comes first for Christians; if anything, comparing his love for Christ to love for a wife does a disservice to the former. The difference is 1) a QB talking about his wife is not advocating everyone listening marry her, too, and 2) I don't want to hear my QB talk about his wife every five minutes either.

I think you guys misunderstood my point. I was saying loving your wife is much more important than simple "faith," not the other way around. I know faith is important to some people but your wife is an actual, physical part of your life. Faith is just that, faith. It's not something you can be sure about, which is why it's a bit ridiculous for Tebow to do so much preaching in his interviews.
Again, that's just it: Faith IS something about which Christians are sure, "the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Further, IF one accepts the premise of Christianity, it would be the height of ingratitude to love ones wife more than the Creator of ones wife, ones self and the very world in which one lives. Beating people over the head with ones faith, however, goes beyond putting God first. FanInAZ said it exactly right, and so much better than I ever could; very well done.

[FlyByU]

You know we hear you aint a real Broncos fan if xxxx & yyyy & zzzz.

Well I have a new one you aint a Real Broncos player unless you was drafted and played on the team for at least 10 years.

[turftoad]

Eh. If you don't care to listen to it, don't. There are a lot of people spouting stuff I'd rather not hear. It is what it is and I couldn't give a rats ass either way.

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I don't give a rats ass either however, he's starting to sound like a broken record. :listen:

[BeefStew25]

Plummer is about to be on Vic and Gary.

[BroncoNut]

Plummer is about to be on Vic and Gary.

have you ever been?

[Broncos Mtnman]

The best part of the article is the comments, say a single negative thing about Tebow and people lose their ******* mind.

Hide your eyes, Mtnman.......I kinda miss Jake Plummer and l don't know how anybody can watch the QB'ing for Denver since Hurricane Josh hit and not wonder if Plummer is in shape.......

I've posted in other areas how I would welcome the old St. Jake days over the mess we have thanks to Mickey.

[horsepig]

What a waste of time.

[Simple Jaded]

So Plummer had to go on a local radio show to explain his original comments? I didn't hear the interview but the fact that it hasn't gone viral leads me to believe it has appeased Tebow's fans.

Tebowmania is officially disgusting, it's a disease. Plummer was even more complimentary towards Tebow than he was towards himself but say a single negative word about Tim Tebow and the world stops spinning.

Plummers original interview was thoroughly self-serving and pathetically bitter but the only thing people take out of the interview was that Plummer said what a LOT of people are thinking.

I thought Plummers comments were hilarious at the time but you could almost sense Tebow's fans getting their panties in a bunch and the media getting their panties as wet as teenage girl at a Justin Beeber concert.......