Bobby Turner will be retained

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Reggie Rivers just reported on Channel 4 that Bobby will be retained - GREAT NEWS :salute:

[turftoad]

Reggie Rivers just reported on Channel 4 that Bobby will be retained - GREAT NEWS :salute:

That is great news!

[ikillz0mbies]

Hooray!

[Requiem / The Dagda]

The stud running back we'll draft definitely will like Bobby.

[G_Money]

That's actually really great news.

Both for us and for Turner.

~G

[G_Money]

The stud running back we'll draft definitely will like Bobby.

Damn straight. And Bobby will like finally having a RB again who isn't an undrafted work-in-progress that he has to squeeze for blood.

I'm very glad to hear this.

~G

[ikillz0mbies]

So Turner is going stay. I'm guessing more people on here are going to be more comfortable with Bates possibly leaving.

[turftoad]

The stud running back we'll draft definitely will like Bobby.

30th ranked "D" doesn't justify taking a stud back early.

We'll find out how good Turner is with what he's already got to work with or maybe a FA.

[frauschieze]

My first reaction when told this (and G can verify) was:

SWEET BABY JESUS, THERE IS A GOD!!!

I'm just a little happy about this. :D

[Lonestar]

I do not see them drafting a RB on day one.. just to many other HUGE holes to fill.. And since Turner is staying I suspect that Mc kid will rely on his input about the existing guys we have.. therefore no day one pick..

[topscribe]

30th ranked "D" doesn't justify taking a stud back early.

We'll find out how good Turner is with what he's already got to work with or maybe a FA.

Thank you. All the overwhelming needs on defense, and people want to draft offense . . . :confused:

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[G_Money]

Running game helps the defense too.

Controlling the clock helps control the game. We were out of control all year. We couldn't run clock to limit opposing possessions, and that hurt us.

It also helps Jay - and the defense - win games when he's not putting up a 100+ QB rating.

I don't expect to take a first round back, but if we trade back in the first and pick up another 2nd or 3rd round pick in the process...then I'll be really interested to see what RBs fall.

Though there are some bruisers like Coffee who should be there on the 2nd day. Regardless, I expect to take a back. Torain was a favorite of Shanahan's, and his place on the depth chart is thankfully no longer assured.

~G

[honz]

Awesome. I can't imagine that their is a much better RB coach than Turner in the league. Dude has turned countless no names into 1000 yard rushers.

[Broncos Mtnman]

http://avatarfarm.com/avatarimages/starwars/yodadance.gif
Good, this news is.

[BroncoJoe]

Isn't Turner the one that talked Shanahan into drafting Clarett?

Just sayin...

[elsid13]

Isn't Turner the one that talked Shanahan into drafting Clarett?

Just sayin...

yes he is. But he is human like everyone else here. Well maybe not the robots, but who cares what they think :D

[elsid13]

Hopefully Dennision will be retain to work the line and act as the OC during the week preparing the game plans.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

30th ranked "D" doesn't justify taking a stud back early.

We'll find out how good Turner is with what he's already got to work with or maybe a FA.

Okay, stop with the false dilemmas. Denver has 9 draft picks. They can afford to draft a running back. We can also afford to look for defense in free agency as well. The blade cuts both ways. I don't see why it is so hard for people to figure out. Good Lord.

[Tned]

Awesome. I can't imagine that their is a much better RB coach than Turner in the league. Dude has turned countless no names into 1000 yard rushers.

There is some big question marks about whether or not it was the line (Alex Gibbs, then Dennison) or the RBs (Turner), or the two pieces ONLY worked well together.

[elsid13]

30th ranked "D" doesn't justify taking a stud back early.

We'll find out how good Turner is with what he's already got to work with or maybe a FA.

Because he done such a shitty job finding guys to produce in late rounds or RFA class. :tsk:

[tomjonesrocks]

First news of the offseason, outside of Slowik's departure, I'm *sure* is a good thing. Sweet news.

[elsid13]

There is some big question marks about whether or not it was the line (Alex Gibbs, then Dennison) or the RBs (Turner), or the two pieces ONLY worked well together.

It the two working together. I know for whatever reason people don't like Dennison, but I more concern with losing him then Bates.

[Tned]

Hopefully Dennision will be retain to work the line and act as the OC during the week preparing the game plans.

I would like to see Dennison continue as line coach, but I don't think he would be preparing game plans. I imagine that will be primarily McDaniels for a while, as he is implementing his offense.

[Tned]

It the two working together. I know for whatever reason people don't like Dennison, but I more concern with losing him then Bates.

There's a good reason for being concerned. The Shanahan offense was really the Alex Gibbs/Mike Shanahan offense. Dennison learned under Gibbs for many years (coaching the line).

[elsid13]

I would like to see Dennison continue as line coach, but I don't think he would be preparing game plans. I imagine that will be primarily McDaniels for a while, as he is implementing his offense.

McD going to need to learn how to delegate. We need him to be the HC, and not OC. There are a lot more demands on HC then any OC, and if he thinks he going to do it all we're in trouble. I know people are going to throw Shanny up there when he first showed up, but he had Kubes working with him to get things done.

[TXBRONC]

Reggie Rivers just reported on Channel 4 that Bobby will be retained - GREAT NEWS :salute:

That is great news! Thank you Carol!

[Greatspirits]

Awesome, he deserves it!

[TXBRONC]

McD going to need to learn how to delegate. We need him to be the HC, and not OC. There are a lot more demands on HC then any OC, and if he thinks he going to do it all we're in trouble. I know people are going to throw Shanny up there when he first showed up, but he had Kubes working with him to get things done.

McDaniel saying that he's going to call the plays doesn't mean he wont have offensive coordinator.

[tomjonesrocks]

McD going to need to learn how to delegate. We need him to be the HC, and not OC. There are a lot more demands on HC then any OC, and if he thinks he going to do it all we're in trouble. I know people are going to throw Shanny up there when he first showed up, but he had Kubes working with him to get things done.

This is feeling appropriate... :focus:

[TXBRONC]

Isn't Turner the one that talked Shanahan into drafting Clarett?

Just sayin...

Clarett had the skill sets that they were looking for.

[topscribe]

Clarett had the skill sets that they were looking for.

Had Clarett been solid between the ears, he had immense physical talent, so
much that they took the chance. So they blew that one in an otherwise fairly
decent draft.

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[Tned]

McD going to need to learn how to delegate. We need him to be the HC, and not OC. There are a lot more demands on HC then any OC, and if he thinks he going to do it all we're in trouble. I know people are going to throw Shanny up there when he first showed up, but he had Kubes working with him to get things done.

It's never been clear if Dennison worked up any game plans under Shanahan. In '06 and '07 it was Heimerdinger, and last year from all accounts it was Bates working in a collaborative effort with other offensive personnel.

The likely assumption is that he 'delegates' the defensive duties to Nolan and is hands on with the offense.

[TXBRONC]

Had Clarett been solid between the ears, he had immense physical talent, so
much that they took the chance. So they blew that one in an otherwise fairly
decent draft.

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It was big risk as far his maturity but he did have skills you would want in running back.

[tomjonesrocks]

Had Clarett been solid between the ears, he had immense physical talent, so
much that they took the chance. So they blew that one in an otherwise fairly
decent draft.

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More physical talent than MBIII or Brandon Jacobs? That pick was insane even from the perspective of talent evaluation.

[topscribe]

More physical talent than MBIII or Brandon Jacobs? That pick was insane even from the perspective of talent evaluation.

Yup. Potentially. That's what they were looking at.

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[elsid13]

It's never been clear if Dennison worked up any game plans under Shanahan. In '06 and '07 it was Heimerdinger, and last year from all accounts it was Bates working in a collaborative effort with other offensive personnel.

The likely assumption is that he 'delegates' the defensive duties to Nolan and is hands on with the offense.

Dennison developed the rushing attack plan with Turner. While Bates developed the passing attack. That was reported in RMN. Bates then called the plays on Sunday with Shanahan concurrence.

[dogfish]

:whoo: :whoo:


YESSSSSS!!

i like what doogie is doing with the staff so far, which makes me feel a bit more comfortable about the hiring. . . i hope the next item of business is squaring away the line coaches-- dennison and carl hairston would be my choices. . . . make it happen mcdaniels!



Damn straight. And Bobby will like finally having a RB again who isn't an undrafted work-in-progress that he has to squeeze for blood.

I'm very glad to hear this.

~G

bobby turner + lesean mccoy/shonne green + broncos O-line = epic win




We'll find out how good Turner is with what he's already got to work with or maybe a FA.

nope-- we already know how good turner is, he's proven it over and over again, from terrell davis to clinton portis, to olandis gary, mike anderson, reuben droughns, etc etc all the way up to peyton hillis. . . .

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Immense physical talent? Not really. Showed up out of shape at the combine and ran one of the worst 40 yard dashes of anyone there. He also performed poorly in all other aspects of the combine. MC was a busted pick, along with Sundquist bullshit justification for not taking Barber III instead.

[topscribe]

Yup. Potentially. That's what they were looking at.

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I might add, for those who need the fundamental education, "talent" does not
connote one's present physical condition. "Talent" connotes one's abilities once
one is in the proper condition. There is a difference. I know most on this board
know this, so sorry about talking down to you who do.

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[Tned]

Dennison developed the rushing attack plan with Turner. While Bates developed the passing attack. That was reported in RMN. Bates then called the plays on Sunday with Shanahan concurrence.

So, then why would McDaniels turn game planning over to Dennison who to the best of our knowledge has never been in charge of creating game plans for upcoming opponents, not to mention doesn't know McDaniel's offense? :confused:

[tomjonesrocks]

Immense physical talent? Not really. Showed up out of shape at the combine and ran one of the worst 40 yard dashes of anyone there. He also performed poorly in all other aspects of the combine. MC was a busted pick, along with Sundquist bullshit justification for not taking Barber III instead.

Meh, in retrospect, I suppose he's correct--in '03 they thought the guy had everything you'd want in a back but speed. I guess they were visualizing a more talented TD or something.

By '05 though he was a *major* reach and compared with monster picks like Barber and Jacobs it looks even worse. The guy was projected to potentially not even have been drafted. It was a colossal blunder however you look at it.

This feels waaaay off topic though--I'm stoked about Turner being kept on.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9080048/Broncos-Briefs-?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5

Some interesting stuff in the above article, like the following:

It appears unlikely that Broncos quarterback coach Jeremy Bates will return. He interviewed Tuesday for an offensive position with the Oakland Raiders' staff. The Broncos most likely would not have allowed Bates to interview with an AFC West rival if they had plans to retain him.

McDaniels will not only call the plays, he will work with the quarterbacks and run the quarterback meetings. The fiery Bates, who like McDaniels is 32 and called the offensive plays last season, is not likely to accept a demotion, providing such an offer was made.

Meanwhile, Broncos tight end coach Pat McPherson was told McDaniels has someone else in mind for his position. McPherson has an interview later in the week with Tampa Bay.

[Buff]

My first reaction when told this (and G can verify) was:

SWEET BABY JESUS, THERE IS A GOD!!!

I'm just a little happy about this. :D

Wait a second... If Bobby Turner still works here, then why was I holding you last night?

:confused:

[tomjonesrocks]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9080048/Broncos-Briefs-?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5

Some interesting stuff in the above article, like the following:

It appears unlikely that Broncos quarterback coach Jeremy Bates will return. He interviewed Tuesday for an offensive position with the Oakland Raiders' staff. The Broncos most likely would not have allowed Bates to interview with an AFC West rival if they had plans to retain him.

McDaniels will not only call the plays, he will work with the quarterbacks and run the quarterback meetings. The fiery Bates, who like McDaniels is 32 and called the offensive plays last season, is not likely to accept a demotion, providing such an offer was made.

Meanwhile, Broncos tight end coach Pat McPherson was told McDaniels has someone else in mind for his position. McPherson has an interview later in the. week with Tampa Bay.

That is interesting. Maybe McDaniels thinks we're underutilizing or using Graham ineffectively.

[TXBRONC]

:whoo: :whoo:


YESSSSSS!!

i like what doogie is doing with the staff so far, which makes me feel a bit more comfortable about the hiring. . . i hope the next item of business is squaring away the line coaches-- dennison and carl hairston would be my choices. . . . make it happen mcdaniels!




bobby turner + lesean mccoy/shonne green + broncos O-line = epic win




nope-- we already know how good turner is, he's proven it over and over again, from terrell davis to clinton portis, to olandis gary, mike anderson, reuben droughns, etc etc all the way up to peyton hillis. . . .

I've got the SportsGuru's show on right now and he thinks that if Dennison is retained that wouldn't be a bad thing.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

I've got the SportsGuru's show on right now and he thinks that if Dennison is retained that wouldn't be a bad thing.

I hope they do retain Dennison

[Denver Native (Carol)]

That is interesting. Maybe McDaniels thinks we're underutilizing or using Graham ineffectively.

Makes sense, since Daniel was at NE

[Dean]

IMHO Dennison's job with our line the last two years has been phenomenal.

Last year everyone was injured and no one was playing next to anyone that they had played next to before.

This year it is the same song second verse. To top that off he took a true rookie LT and a veritable rookie RT and made them the best pair of offensive tackles in the league without a hitch.

However, if this article is correct, I won't get my wish.




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49ers interview Broncos' Dennison for offensive coordinator post
Associated Press


SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Rick Dennison interviewed with the San Francisco 49ers on Monday to run their offense.

San Francisco 49ers

He's the fourth coach to interview for the job on Mike Singletary's staff that came open when Mike Martz was fired last month. Former St. Louis coach Scott Linehan, Indianapolis receivers coach Clyde Christensen and Cleveland offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski already have interviewed with Singletary.

Dennison was an assistant to former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan for 14 years, also coaching the offensive line. He won't be retained on new Denver coach Josh McDaniels' staff, but his interview with San Francisco was set up before Shanahan was fired.

The 49ers added two assistant coaches to their defensive staff late Monday, hiring Vantz Singletary as inside linebackers coach and Al Harris as a pass-rush specialist coach.

Vantz Singletary is Mike Singletary's nephew, but he's also a veteran college assistant coach who spent last season as the University of Buffalo's defensive tackles coach.

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press

[Scarface]

Isn't Turner the one that talked Shanahan into drafting Clarett?

Just sayin...

Boooo!

He hits 10 home runs for every strike out. This is great news.:beer:

[Hallside]

He's the only one I really wanted.

[nevcraw]

My #1 offseason priority has been granted!!!! The rest as they say is gravy... There is nobody coaching running backs in the nfl that can hold Bobby T's jock! Thank you Doogie for not being an idiot..

[Shazam!]

There is nobody coaching offensive lines in the nfl that can hold Alex G's jock!

People said this too once upon a time. Just saying. I'm happy he's gonna be here too.

[nevcraw]

People said this too once upon a time. Just saying. I'm happy he's gonna be here too.
what Alex Gibbs did with the falcons runnning game and this year with Houston's oline I would agree with my assesment :confused:that Alex Gibbs is one of the best OL coaches to ever rome a sideline..

[Shazam!]

They had sidelines in Rome?

I meant Denver survived without Gibbs and developed one of the best pass protecting OLines at the same time. They just reversed course a bit and Denny did an excellent job.

[tomjonesrocks]

My #1 offseason priority has been granted!!!! The rest as they say is gravy... There is nobody coaching running backs in the nfl that can hold Bobby T's jock! Thank you Doogie for not being an idiot..

Let me say I'm skeptical as everyone else about the McDaniels hire. I'm not convinced it will fail by any means but I'd have preferred Cowher first and Spagnuolo second. The defense is what everyone, everywhere knows is holding us back.

But still--do I have this right? The Broncos are going to go to battle next season with the offensive coordinator of the most successful offense ever *and* Turner--the best RB coach in the league?

We will see, but...this brightens my day...

[TXBRONC]

what Alex Gibbs did with the falcons runnning game and this year with Houston's oline I would agree with my assesment :confused:that Alex Gibbs is one of the best OL coaches to ever rome a sideline..

Most certainly, Gibbs is one best positions in football. Even so, my respect for Dennison is growing. When I look back at the last two years with him as our offensive line coach I see a guy whose done very good job.

[Bozo Jr.]

This is great news, Turner's work with RB's has been second to none.

Imagine a RB like Derrick Ward coming in to sure up our offense! Also
with both Dennison and Turner being retained, it shows McDanielson
sees the progress on the o-line and understands all we need there is
a solid back......smart man that McKid! :salute:

[frauschieze]

Wait a second... If Bobby Turner still works here, then why was I holding you last night?

:confused:

Are you complaining? I thought it was pretty good. :pout:

[Tned]

Are you complaining? I thought it was pretty good. :pout:

Ok, I let Buff's comment pass, but now we have confirmation. Dish the details, girl!!! :D

[omac]

Most certainly, Gibbs is one best positions in football. Even so, my respect for Dennison is growing. When I look back at the last two years with him as our offensive line coach I see a guy whose done very good job.

One thing to add regarding the Texans; in 2007, their #1 RB was the ridiculously injury prone Ahmad Green. Probably their most productive back was Ron Dayne. They tried to fix the situation in 2008 by getting the injury prone Chris Brown.

They draft Slaton, who most thought would be a change of pace back, and he becomes their surprise #1.

I'm pretty sure Gibbs is a major reason for their success running this season, but having the right player, Slaton, was huge.

We need to have that one player next season for our rushing offense.

[TXBRONC]

One thing to add regarding the Texans; in 2007, their #1 RB was the ridiculously injury prone Ahmad Green. Probably their most productive back was Ron Dayne. They tried to fix the situation in 2008 by getting the injury prone Chris Brown.

They draft Slaton, who most thought would be a change of pace back, and he becomes their surprise #1.

I'm pretty sure Gibbs is a major reason for their success running this season, but having the right player, Slaton, was huge.

We need to have that one player next season for our rushing offense.

I think Hillis could possibly be that guy.

[Chris90210]

I think Hillis could possibly be that guy.

no thinking here:salute:


go hillis kick mcfaddens ass

[TXBRONC]

I hope they do retain Dennison

I watching a little video from Jim Armstrong and in his opinion only coaches that really have chance to stay on with team are Turner (whom we already on board) and Dennison.

[TXBRONC]

no thinking here:salute:


go hillis kick mcfaddens ass

I heard some of our fans say that they would like to see Hillis possibly moved to an H back position, ala Dallas Clark. There is nothing wrong with that but I think that he'll be more of an asset at running back because his ability to get the tough yards.

[frauschieze]

Ok, I let Buff's comment pass, but now we have confirmation. Dish the details, girl!!! :D

Well, I got some information last night that Turner was walking. I was very upset and asked for comforting. Buff held me in the drunk thread. So then Bowlen works OT and convinces Turner to stay. I guess Buff wouldn't have held me otherwise. :pout:

[dogfish]

I heard some of our fans say that they would like to see Hillis possibly moved to an H back position, ala Dallas Clark. There is nothing wrong with that but I think that he'll be more of an asset at running back because his ability to get the tough yards.


i agree that i'd like to see him running the ball, but as long as they find a way to get it into his hands i won't be too upset-- his versatility is a real plus, and i don't hate the thought of pairing him with a more explosive tailback and letting hillis be a triple threat (running, catching and blocking) from a variety of positions including I-formation fullback, H-back and out of singleback sets. . . a guy like that can be a huge asset for a really creative coordinator. . .

[Lonestar]

Hopefully Dennison will be retain to work the line and act as the OC during the week preparing the game plans.

hopefully he will be let go.. MC kid and HIS choice of OC will be the ones preparing the game plan as this is his specialty breaking down defenses..

dennison most likely never planned a game in his life while mikey was here. he knew ZBS learned from the master beyond that OC in name only..

It is questionable at this moment whether the ZBS will be carried forward.. if it goes so should rick..

[Spiritguy]

Well, I got some information last night that Turner was walking. I was very upset and asked for comforting. Buff held me in the drunk thread. So then Bowlen works OT and convinces Turner to stay. I guess Buff wouldn't have held me otherwise. :pout:

Ok, I'm shaking my head in confusion. Sound like he stepped up and did the right thing, but now your thinking he wouldn't have held you close otherwise? Why in the world would buff choose not to snuggle up to a beautiful women? Most guys would be making a line around the block to assist an amazing women like you. Am I missing something? :confused:

Back on topic, great to hear that Turner is sticking around.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

I might add, for those who need the fundamental education, "talent" does not
connote one's present physical condition. "Talent" connotes one's abilities once
one is in the proper condition. There is a difference. I know most on this board
know this, so sorry about talking down to you who do.

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Yep, I get it. Kinda reminds me of the whole Chris Henry debacle again. How's he working out these days?

[TXBRONC]

i agree that i'd like to see him running the ball, but as long as they find a way to get it into his hands i won't be too upset-- his versatility is a real plus, and i don't hate the thought of pairing him with a more explosive tailback and letting hillis be a triple threat (running, catching and blocking) from a variety of positions including I-formation fullback, H-back and out of singleback sets. . . a guy like that can be a huge asset for a really creative coordinator. . .

Indeed he could be a huge asset, I think that would be especially true in short yardage and goal line situations.

[Superchop 7]

I think you guys are missing something important....

Our running backs do well "because" of our ZBS.

Just ask Clinton Portis.

Dennison has been the best coach on the team, hate to lose him (and ZBS)

Turner will be in trouble without him.

[TXBRONC]

I think you guys are missing something important....

Our running backs do well "because" of our ZBS.

Just ask Clinton Portis.

Dennison has been the best coach on the team, hate to lose him (and ZBS)

Turner will be in trouble without him.

I disagree, because what Turner teaches his running backs has do with being fundamentally sound. I would turn it around, the ZBS has well for us because Bobby knows how get his running backs to understand how to utilize the system.

[Shazam!]

Turner will be in trouble without him.

Here we go again. 'Denver is doomed without _______.'

Some said the same thing when Alex Gibbs left town.

There's going to be a lot of transition here. Guys will come and guys we've known for years will go. This is how it works with a new HC, something we haven't seen in almost 15 years. We'll survive without Shanahan, we'll survive without anyone of his assistants on the Staff.

I'll trust McDaniels until there is a reason not to. I still hope he brings Capers with him.

[Dirk]

I'll trust McDaniels until there is a reason not to.

:salute:

My feelings exactly.


But, Broncos fans are Broncos fans. Best fans in the country for any sport bar none. And everyone takes ownership (so to speak) of the goings on and put their spin on it.

Gotta love it! :cool:

[TXBRONC]

Here we go again. 'Denver is doomed without _______.'

Some said the same thing when Alex Gibbs left town.

There's going to be a lot of transition here. Guys will come and guys we've known for years will go. This is how it works with a new HC, something we haven't seen in almost 15 years. We'll survive without Shanahan, we'll survive without anyone of his assistants on the Staff.

I'll trust McDaniels until there is a reason not to. I still hope he brings Capers with him.

You got that right.

[Tned]

Well, I got some information last night that Turner was walking. I was very upset and asked for comforting. Buff held me in the drunk thread. So then Bowlen works OT and convinces Turner to stay. I guess Buff wouldn't have held me otherwise. :pout:

What sad excuse for a man wouldn't hold you 'just because'. :D

[Tned]

I disagree, because what Turner teaches his running backs has do with being fundamentally sound. I would turn it around, the ZBS has well for us because Bobby knows how get his running backs to understand how to utilize the system.

It's hard to say, because we have only seen one blocking scheme during his time here, the ZBS, and the backs that were successfull were cut back/one cut and go runnners.

So, the real question is have the backs done well because Turner taught them how to run in a system, which happened to be the ZBS, or have they done well, because the backs we have gotten were good one cut and go runners, rather than pounders or jukers?

Tatum for instance was a great dissapointment for many, part of it being that he would 'run into the back' of blockers or 'dance in the backfield'. Now, personally, I attribute that to the fact that when he was back there, our line was the worst it had been in 10 years in terms of run blocking, but it could also be he wasn't the cut back runner that some of the others were.

When the Gibbs/Shanahan offense was working well, the offensive line got the defense flowing in one direction, while opening a hole on the back side. The running back what start in the direction of the blocking, cut back towards a gap and go. How much of that is coaching vs. ability of the back?

So, if we were to move to a different type of blocking scheme, say with lots of pulling guards and slower developing plays, where the running back instead had to follow blockers on 'faith' knowing a hole would open, and then weaving through the traffic, rather than cuttiing back into a gaping hole.....

Anyway, my point is that with both our players and coaches of the last 10 years, it is hard to say how skilled they are. How well they will do outside of the 'scheme' they were successful in.

[broncofaninfla]

Very happy Turner is staying. I would like to see Dennison stay as well and coach the O-line. Dennison uses the same scheme that Gibbs employed. Gibbs was initially going to retire from the game altogether and started weaning himself out while the positional coaches slowly weaned in and took over essentially the same system. Make no mistake about it, Turner coaches his backs to run in a zone blocking scheme. I’m sure he is capable of teaching them ANY scheme but he has proven he is the best of the best in coaching his RB’s in this scheme. If we don’t retain Dennison, I really feel it’s in our best interest to put a O-line coach in place that coaches the same zone blocking scheme that has been so successful for us throughout the years.

[GEM]

30th ranked "D" doesn't justify taking a stud back early.

We'll find out how good Turner is with what he's already got to work with or maybe a FA.

No ish turf! If we go RB in 1 or 2 over a better D guy on the board I'm going to friggen lose it.

So happy that Turner is returning. BIG sigh of relief.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Seriously, give me a break.

Denver has 30+ million in free agency to spend and 9 draft picks. There is room in the NFL Draft choices we have to select a running back. Denver can place a high priority on getting a running back and still address our defensive needs adequately through both avenues. Put that one-sided bullshit about us not being able to do so to rest. (We could also pursue a running back in free agency as well, but I'd rather draft talent.)

[Lonestar]

Very happy Turner is staying. I would like to see Dennison stay as well and coach the O-line. Dennison uses the same scheme that Gibbs employed. Gibbs was initially going to retire from the game altogether and started weaning himself out while the positional coaches slowly weaned in and took over essentially the same system. Make no mistake about it, Turner coaches his backs to run in a zone blocking scheme. I’m sure he is capable of teaching them ANY scheme but he has proven he is the best of the best in coaching his RB’s in this scheme. If we don’t retain Dennison, I really feel it’s in our best interest to put a O-line coach in place that coaches the same zone blocking scheme that has been so successful for us throughout the years.

the key on keeping dennison is will Mc Kid even want to keep the ZBS that system just may be history like the rest of mikeys offense.. If it is scrapped and I'd guess it will be then turner and dennison are not all that necessary..

The reason I think it might is rarely does a Head coach embrace a system or scheme they do not fully understand..

But then he might also want to learn from the best at it also..

[NightTrainLayne]

the key on keeping dennison is will Mc Kid even want to keep the ZBS that system just may be history like the rest of mikeys offense.. If it is scrapped and I'd guess it will be then turner and dennison are not all that necessary..

The reason I think it might is rarely does a Head coach embrace a system or scheme they do not fully understand..

But then he might also want to learn from the best at it also..

McDaniel's already said that he is leaning toward keeping the ZBS. They play a version of the ZBS in NE anyways.

[Lonestar]

McDaniel's already said that he is leaning toward keeping the ZBS. They play a version of the ZBS in NE anyways.

that may be and who knows if he wants to do so he might even be able to pry Gibbs away from HOU now that mickey is gone.. That would be the ultimate.. I have never cared for an EX LB being the OC and even less so OLINE coach.. had the guy even have had played the position he would have had some creds.. Yes I know the OLINE was about the only true bright spot last year but I do not care for him.. have always though him a joke and one of mikeys butt boys..

[Traveler]

the key on keeping dennison is will Mc Kid even want to keep the ZBS that system just may be history like the rest of mikeys offense.. If it is scrapped and I'd guess it will be then turner and dennison are not all that necessary..

The reason I think it might is rarely does a Head coach embrace a system or scheme they do not fully understand..

But then he might also want to learn from the best at it also..

OT-a little-

Did anyone else read the article where it was said that Dennison was being groomed by Bowlen and Shanahan to become the Bronco HC once Mike decided to step down?

[claymore]

To me..... Jedd Fisch WR's coach is more important than Turner right now. He is close to Marshal..... Did a hell of a job with Royal.....

Right now we do not know what style of running game we are going to have. Plus Hillis is the only lock to make the team next year.

[Traveler]

To me..... Jedd Fisch WR's coach is more important than Turner right now. He is close to Marshal..... Did a hell of a job with Royal.....

Right now we do not know what style of running game we are going to have. Plus Hillis is the only lock to make the team next year.

Not sure if Fisch was responsible for Royal's progress or not.

As for Hillis, I like him, just not as a primary back. That said, he would be a great fit if we had an offense similar to the one used by the Redskins with Riggins. Hillis has a similar running style but better hands.

If we are maintaining the WCO, I like to see a more conventional version, similar to the old 49ers with Roger Craig (Torain) and Rathman (Hillis).

[Lonestar]

OT-a little-

Did anyone else read the article where it was said that Dennison was being groomed by Bowlen and Shanahan to become the Bronco HC once Mike decided to step down?

no and frankly that would have completely turned me off as Bronco fan..

I was shocked to see him even being interviewed.. But if it was true then he obviously has blown smoke up Pats ass also..

[claymore]

Not sure if Fisch was responsible for Royal's progress or not.

As for Hillis, I like him, just not as a primary back. That said, he would be a great fit if we had an offense similar to the one used by the Redskins with Riggins. Hillis has a similar running style but better hands.

If we are maintaining the WCO, I like to see a more conventional version, similar to the old 49ers with Roger Craig (Torain) and Rathman (Hillis).

I want hillis to be a FB. I loved how he filled in during those games...... But.... Damn he can be a Great full back. I knew he had potential, but not like that.

Torain... Im not sold. He might have the boo boo gene.

We fell into a pattern of reaching for RB's with previous injuries. I want to find a guy that has no history of injury etc......

[broncofaninfla]

OT-a little-

Did anyone else read the article where it was said that Dennison was being groomed by Bowlen and Shanahan to become the Bronco HC once Mike decided to step down?

I didn't see that either. I wonder if Dennison feels somewhat betrayed by everything that has transpired?

[Magnificent Seven]

Awesome.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/jan/15/broncos-to-keep-rb-coach-turner/

Broncos to keep RB coach Turner

ENGLEWOOD -- The Broncos' new head coach has decided to keep one of the team's longest-standing assistants.

Running backs coach Bobby Turner, who has always been considered a key voice in the Broncos' offensive planning since joining the team in 1995 on Mike Shanahan's original staff, will be retained by Shanahan's successor, Josh McDaniels.

Turner and the newly hired head coach met Tuesday, McDaniels' first full day on the job, and McDaniels has asked Turner to stay for his 15th season with the team.

Shanahan routinely lauded Turner's work in the Broncos' running game, and it was Turner who dictated the rotation of running backs on game days and also evaluated many of the backs during the draft process.

An endorsement from Turner led to the signing of more than a few backs during Shanahan's tenure with the team.

"(Turner) loves his guys," Broncos running back Ryan Torain said recently. "He wants you to do everything right, every time, and he won't accept anything else, but you know he loves his guys and wants the best for you."

Turner now formally joins defensive coordinator Mike Nolan on McDaniels' staff. Kansas City special-teams coach Mike Priefer is expected to become the Broncos' new special-teams coach, and veteran coach Dom Capers is expected to join the staff in the coming days.

The battered Broncos backfield had seven different running backs on injured reserve this past season, including five who had started at least one game during the year. They finished 12th in the league in rushing (116.4 yards per game), tied for the lowest ranking in Shanahan's 14 years as head coach.

They also finished 12th in 1999. The Broncos finished in the league's top 10 in rushing yards per game 12 times in Shanahan's tenure and led the league in rushing in 1996.

Terrell Davis, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Clinton Portis, Reuben Droughns and Tatum Bell all had at least one 1,000-yard rushing season for the Broncos with Turner as their position coach.

McDaniels continues to make the rounds in search of assistants to coach linebackers, the defensive line and the secondary. Rick Dennison, who was the offensive coordinator under Shanahan, and wide receivers coach Jedd Fisch have also met with McDaniels about remaining on the staff.

[Lonestar]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/jan/15/broncos-to-keep-rb-coach-turner/

Broncos to keep RB coach Turner

ENGLEWOOD -- The Broncos' new head coach has decided to keep one of the team's longest-standing assistants.

Running backs coach Bobby Turner, who has always been considered a key voice in the Broncos' offensive planning since joining the team in 1995 on Mike Shanahan's original staff, will be retained by Shanahan's successor, Josh McDaniels.

Turner and the newly hired head coach met Tuesday, McDaniels' first full day on the job, and McDaniels has asked Turner to stay for his 15th season with the team.

Turner now formally joins defensive coordinator Mike Nolan on McDaniels' staff. Kansas City special-teams coach Mike Priefer is expected to become the Broncos' new special-teams coach, and veteran coach Dom Capers is expected to join the staff in the coming days.

McDaniels continues to make the rounds in search of assistants to coach linebackers, the defensive line and the secondary. Rick Dennison, who was the offensive coordinator under Shanahan, and wide receivers coach Jedd Fisch have also met with McDaniels about remaining on the staff.

does not sound warm and fuzzy for ricky and Jedd..

[elsid13]

no and frankly that would have completely turned me off as Bronco fan..

I was shocked to see him even being interviewed.. But if it was true then he obviously has blown smoke up Pats ass also..

I think you are doing a great disservice to Dennison. There are number of folks that say that he very good coach that really knows all aspect of the game and well respected by the players and other coaches. He decide to let Shanahan have the limelight, but I do believe he is going to have chance to be HC in this league.

[Lonestar]

I think you are doing a great disservice to Dennison. There are number of folks that say that he very good coach that really knows all aspect of the game and well respected by the players and other coaches. He decide to let Shanahan have the limelight, but I do believe he is going to have chance to be HC in this league.


I wish him well in any other city.. I do not trust any of mikeys disciples.. way to many yes men IMO..

[haroldthebarrel]

The time was perhaps right to let Dennison go. He did an admirable job with the line when he acquired some pure talent. I was wrong about him, he is a good coach who seems to learn a lot.
But loosing him is not that big a deal. I would rather have him here but what was crucial was keeping Turner and that made me much relieved.

[dogfish]

The time was perhaps right to let Dennison go. He did an admirable job with the line when he acquired some pure talent. I was wrong about him, he is a good coach who seems to learn a lot.
But loosing him is not that big a deal. I would rather have him here but what was crucial was keeping Turner and that made me much relieved.

actually, it was just announced that we're keeping dennison also. . . .

[haroldthebarrel]

actually, it was just announced that we're keeping dennison also. . . .

Even better. I said I would rather have him, but loosing Turner would have sucked a lot.

I think I understand now why McDaniels got the HC gig. He has made a lot of good decisions already. He seems mature beyond his "face";).
And a lot of the new decisions are necessary to create a new culture.
I wanted Spagnulo, had McD second but I can understand the man must have been a great interview.

[Dean]

actually, it was just announced that we're keeping dennison also. . . .


If we are keeping Dennison and Turner I can feel a little better about the changing of the guard. If we will keep zone blocking on running plays, . . . I might even smile again.

I knew that you were all worried about that. ;)

[Hobe]

The time was perhaps right to let Dennison go. He did an admirable job with the line when he acquired some pure talent. I was wrong about him, he is a good coach who seems to learn a lot.
But loosing him is not that big a deal. I would rather have him here but what was crucial was keeping Turner and that made me much relieved.

I have Melinded Dennison as well and had to admit I was wrong. The weakness of McD's spread offense was the running game. Turner and Dennison may be able to it.

Things are looking up!:beer:

[TXBRONC]

If we are keeping Dennison and Turner I can feel a little better about the changing of the guard. If we will keep zone blocking on running plays, . . . I might even smile again.

I knew that you were all worried about that. ;)

Coaches actually smile?:confused: Just kidding. :D

[Dean]

Coaches actually smile?:confused: Just kidding. :D


Hey, as long as things are going my way , I am a happy camper. When we are on a winning streak I am downright jovial. . . at least until practice starts. :D

[pnbronco]

This is great news, thanks for the info...:salute:

[Shazam!]

I wish him well in any other city.. I do not trust any of mikeys disciples.. way to many yes men IMO..

Shanahan wasn't the only thing that kept this team going you know. To say Dennison had nothing to do with the Broncos is wrong.

That's like saying Greg Robinson had nothing to do with the Broncos Championships, which is wrong. He was just another man in the legacy of Shanahan's scapegoat casualties redirecting the blame.

Denny is a Bronco through and through. Played D, Coached ST and O. He's a good man, is respected by the players, and I like that the Staff will not be full of strangers, that some familiarity will be here.

I love what McDaniels is doing.

[TXBRONC]

Shanahan wasn't the only thing that kept this team going you know. To say Dennison had nothing to do with the Broncos is wrong.

That's like saying Greg Robinson had nothing to do with the Broncos Championships, which is wrong. He was just another man in the legacy of Shanahan's scapegoat casualties redirecting the blame.

Denny is a Bronco through and through. Played D, Coached ST and O. He's a good man, is respected by the players, and I like that the Staff will not be full of strangers, that some familiarity will be here.

I love what McDaniels is doing.

I like what McDaniels as well. His job is to put together a quality staff that he can win. Now if your predecessor had position coaches that were good and you let just walk, then he would be damn fool. As I have said before it's not uncommon for a new head coach to keep a position coach or two from predecessor.