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Npba900
11-16-2011, 09:44 AM
Here's a thought to consider. Although the Tebow offense is a gimmick offense at this point. Who's to say if Fox will try over the next 2 years to turn the Tebow Schemmed Offense into a scheme where you have a "Hulking" OL of 330 plus with two hulking FB's who can average 3.5 yds a carry to supplement Tebows bruising-smash mouth running style. Then Tebow would be only required to complete dink and dunk passes.

Suddenly you have something so un-orthodox that it changes how Defenses must approach playing the Broncos. Imagine no more empty back fields and Tebow has two hulking FB's back there to give Tim more protection and time back in the pocket! If it works, now suddenly the Broncos are eating up valuable time off the clock while keeping high scoring offenses and high stat passing QB's on the sidelines!!

If Tebow's body can take the wear and tear of playing like a FB without sustaining injuries over the next 2-6 years and during this time frame Fox can draft-develop and sign through FA Offensive linemen to play Smash-Mouth football w/o the skill or requirement to give the QB 4-5 seconds of protection, Fox could be on to something.

After all, how hard can it be to draft-develop big blocking FB's in the 245-260 pound class over the next 2-6 years to provide lead blocking in the running attack and protection for Tebow to complete dink-dunk passes of 5-15 yards with a smash mouth running attack that averages 3.5 yards a carry and Tebow averaging 5-7 yds per carry.....and suddenly the Broncos are converting on 3rd downs, while keeping defenses on the field and oppossing teams offenses on the sidelines.

Nothing is more demoralizing to an opposing team and its defense than to be victim of 80-90 yd drive possessions that ends with a physical hulking impossing OL and bruising FB's smashing ino the end zone from 1-5 yds out.

If Fox and Elway are thinking along these lines.....then Tebow if he can stay healthy while taking the wear and tear of a hybrid FB-QB, Time not only has a future as Denvers' franchise QB; but could actually make a few SB appearances along the way.

chazoe60
11-16-2011, 10:04 AM
Holy shit, npba is coming around to Tebow as a QB?


I think most people don't buy it but if it produces wins who gives a damn right?

Dreadnought
11-16-2011, 10:14 AM
Holy shit, npba is coming around to Tebow as a QB?


I think most people don't buy it but if it produces wins who gives a damn right?

Well, I' not sold on the spread option, but I am sold on doing whatever the League is not doing. If quick timing routes out of a 3 step drop are the flavor of the month don't do that, esp. if you aren't especially good at it. Do other stuff. Run the ball repeatedly. Make expensive pass rushing specialists defend running plays pointed directly at them. Those kind of basic principals hold regardless of the exact form they take. Tebow has an interesting skill set, competitiveness, and work ethic, so lets ride this out a few years and see what happens.

I was listening a few days back to Sirius and the discussion was regarding the increasing use of press man coverage to disrupt quick timing passes, because most offenses are doing the same stuff. I don't want us to just be a mediocre imitation of the Colts or Patriots of a few years back (see also, Kyle Orton), especially as defenses learn to more effectively stop attacks like that.

Shazam!
11-16-2011, 10:17 AM
This is why I like Denver's chances against anybody.

NO TEAM is doing what Denver is doing.

IF IF they can handle the NYJ, they MAY actually be able to make a run.

claymore
11-16-2011, 10:33 AM
Until we produce a winning record nobody will be doing what we're doing.

Shazam!
11-16-2011, 10:36 AM
Until we produce a winning record nobody will be doing what we're doing.

I'll take .500 after tomorrow...

claymore
11-16-2011, 10:40 AM
I'll take .500 after tomorrow...

We are out of the Luck/Barkley race due to Tebows wow factor... Im down for some wins, maybe even a run at the AFCW title.

Man I hope Tebow is "our guy". I hate to waste another year just because we caught some teams off guard.

Davii
11-16-2011, 10:58 AM
Good thread, but I fully expect a 5th "Can Tebow be a TE?" Thread to be started soon.

Npba900
11-16-2011, 11:15 AM
Holy shit, npba is coming around to Tebow as a QB?


I think most people don't buy it but if it produces wins who gives a damn right?

No not quite but perhaps 50% there!:D

Its going to be a heavy lift to pull off this scenario. But the impossible is only impossible until proven otherwise.

My point is, in the pass happy inflated offensive stat NFL we now find ourselves in, a return to a 60's, 70's, 80's smash mouth running attack with a FB-QB hybrid leading the way could work! But its also contingent on Tebow staying healthy.......but its a thought and would take the entire NFL by surprise.

Npba900
11-16-2011, 11:18 AM
Good thread, but I fully expect a 5th "Can Tebow be a TE?" Thread to be started soon.

Well the the versatility of Tim Tebow! After all, Elway did say that Tebow is a great Athlete!

Tebow still would have a pro bowl career as a TE vs a conventional proto-typical pocket passing QB in the NFL.:laugh:

Northman
11-16-2011, 11:23 AM
We shall see, we've gotten a lot of help from the run game but if any team slows that down and forces us to have to pass more it will interesting to see how we do in that regard.

catfish
11-16-2011, 11:53 AM
Until we produce a winning record nobody will be doing what we're doing.

I wouldn't be surprised if you see more of this offense from teams in the bottom half of the league without the people at the skill positions to compete with the elite passing teams, why play their game if you can try a different way to neutralize some of the advantage

Softskull
11-16-2011, 11:58 AM
Well, I' not sold on the spread option, but I am sold on doing whatever the League is not doing. If quick timing routes out of a 3 step drop are the flavor of the month don't do that, esp. if you aren't especially good at it. Do other stuff. Run the ball repeatedly. Make expensive pass rushing specialists defend running plays pointed directly at them. Those kind of basic principals hold regardless of the exact form they take. Tebow has an interesting skill set, competitiveness, and work ethic, so lets ride this out a few years and see what happens.

I was listening a few days back to Sirius and the discussion was regarding the increasing use of press man coverage to disrupt quick timing passes, because most offenses are doing the same stuff. I don't want us to just be a mediocre imitation of the Colts or Patriots of a few years back (see also, Kyle Orton), especially as defenses learn to more effectively stop attacks like that.

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rationalfan
11-16-2011, 12:00 PM
i hope the team keeps winning, and this offensive scheme continues to work. but i'm skeptical for two reasons:

1. I keep thinking of McDaniels' first six games when everything he did on offense seemed to work. Then, the Ravens showed the rest of the league how to stop it and everybody played copycat. we all know what happened after that. If one team can truly stop this broncos offense with a particular scheme the league will follow suit. if the broncos don't adapt, it's over.

2. the run of success has come against miami, oakland and KC. they're not exactly the elite of the NFL. I'd like to see Tebow and this offensive style work well against some quality opponents. granted, the offense is different than it was against detroit, but that's the one quality team Denver has played in the last month and it shredded the broncos. hopefully things are different thursday night.

TT15Superman
11-16-2011, 12:20 PM
Good thread, but I fully expect a 5th "Can Tebow be a TE?" Thread to be started soon.No, but he can be a WR to Orton. :D

PUT TO REST: Tim Tebow will never play any position full time other than QB.

If not here, then somewhere in the US, a coach is thinking that having the best read option QB to ever play in the NFL + 4 years of training on the pro game = true dual threat to defenses.

Add a stout D and you can make a championship run.

If Florida can win 2 NC doing it, then why not in the pros if you can get the QB to run a decent (not stellar) pro-style offense as well? It'll give D's fits while you run the clock down.

Yeah, yeah...what if you get behind? As I said...
1. Stout D to contain that
2. Decent (not stellar) pro-style offense as well

MOtorboat
11-16-2011, 12:39 PM
Well, I' not sold on the spread option, but I am sold on doing whatever the League is not doing. If quick timing routes out of a 3 step drop are the flavor of the month don't do that, esp. if you aren't especially good at it. Do other stuff. Run the ball repeatedly. Make expensive pass rushing specialists defend running plays pointed directly at them. Those kind of basic principals hold regardless of the exact form they take. Tebow has an interesting skill set, competitiveness, and work ethic, so lets ride this out a few years and see what happens.

I was listening a few days back to Sirius and the discussion was regarding the increasing use of press man coverage to disrupt quick timing passes, because most offenses are doing the same stuff. I don't want us to just be a mediocre imitation of the Colts or Patriots of a few years back (see also, Kyle Orton), especially as defenses learn to more effectively stop attacks like that.

Sorry, Dread...I have to...

Oh those crazy kids and their wacky pass offenses...

http://cache.blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Aaron-Rodgers-WWE-Belt-2.jpg

http://footballhunger.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/drew-brees-lombardi-trophy-super-bowl-xliv-1021813189cbfe81_large.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_liVjQPcmxkY/TUW6oJwfaTI/AAAAAAAAAbo/pAoimfneQ0o/s400/pg_5F00_mfsb22_5F00_roethlisberger_5F00_trophy.JPG

http://coltzilla.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/peyton-manning-getty-lombardi.jpg

http://ph.cdn.photos.upi.com/collection/upi/8e1fbca7069f92b044472f62b1acc435/Super-Bowl-XLII-New-York-Giants-vs-New-England-Patriots-in-Glendale-Arizona_2.jpg

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/527/649/82900619_display_image.jpg?1290807764

catfish
11-16-2011, 12:45 PM
Sorry, Dread...I have to...

Oh those crazy kids and their wacky pass offenses...

http://cache.blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Aaron-Rodgers-WWE-Belt-2.jpg

http://footballhunger.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/drew-brees-lombardi-trophy-super-bowl-xliv-1021813189cbfe81_large.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_liVjQPcmxkY/TUW6oJwfaTI/AAAAAAAAAbo/pAoimfneQ0o/s400/pg_5F00_mfsb22_5F00_roethlisberger_5F00_trophy.JPG

http://coltzilla.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/peyton-manning-getty-lombardi.jpg

http://ph.cdn.photos.upi.com/collection/upi/8e1fbca7069f92b044472f62b1acc435/Super-Bowl-XLII-New-York-Giants-vs-New-England-Patriots-in-Glendale-Arizona_2.jpg

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/527/649/82900619_display_image.jpg?1290807764

I'm not a huge football guy...which one of those guys is on your team?

MOtorboat
11-16-2011, 12:47 PM
I'm not a huge football guy...which one of those guys is on your team?

None. Can you tell me how many Lombardi Trophies Denver has had since the retiring one of the most prolific passers in NFL history?

catfish
11-16-2011, 12:51 PM
None. Can you tell me how many Lombardi Trophies Denver has had since the retiring one of the most prolific passers in NFL history?

Same number Miami had with theirs?