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Denver Native (Carol)
12-31-2008, 12:49 PM
You can watch the press conference live on line:

ttp://cbs4denver.com/
* Watch CBS4's special coverage of the Broncos decision to fire Mike Shanahan from 11 a.m. - Noon on CBS4 and live on cbs4denver.com. Included will be the complete comments by Pat Bowlen and Shanahan.

SR
12-31-2008, 12:49 PM
It will also be on ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNews.

UnderArmour
12-31-2008, 12:53 PM
And NFL Network.

SR
12-31-2008, 12:54 PM
I'm so used to not having the NFL Network on cable in Abilene that I forgot my dad had it here in AZ on satellite. lol

UnderArmour
12-31-2008, 12:56 PM
I just like NFL Network because Adam Schefter isn't a hack of an insider like Mortenson is.

BroncoWave
12-31-2008, 12:57 PM
It will also be on ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNews.

ESPN and ESPN2 are showing live ball games right now. I doubt they'll cut into those for the press conference.

SR
12-31-2008, 12:57 PM
I like Schefter too. I just switched over to NFLHD.

SR
12-31-2008, 12:58 PM
ESPN and ESPN2 are showing live ball games right now. I doubt they'll cut into those for the press conference.

ESPNews has it coming on. IMO, this news is bigger than any bowl game on today..

Nick
12-31-2008, 12:59 PM
I just like NFL Network because Adam Schefter isn't a hack of an insider like Mortenson is.

I just like it because Mayock > Kiper. :tsk:

BroncoWave
12-31-2008, 12:59 PM
ESPNews has it coming on. IMO, this news is bigger than any bowl game on today..

Yeah, I'm going to watch it on ESPNEWS. And while it might be bigger news to us than those games, I doubt they are going to piss off 4 fanbases just to show a press conference.

Mike
12-31-2008, 12:59 PM
I just like NFL Network because Adam Schefter isn't a hack of an insider like Mortenson is.

I don't think Mortenson is a hack. But when it comes to the Broncos, Schefter has the pulse of the team much better (as he should given his ties to Denver).

SR
12-31-2008, 01:01 PM
I like Schefter. He's not real opinionated. Just kinda spits out facts.

Denver Native (Carol)
12-31-2008, 01:01 PM
cbs4 will have an hour's coverage.

SR
12-31-2008, 01:04 PM
Kyle Shanahan said today that he felt his dad had one of the best coaching seasons of his career. I agree to an extent. But, the things he DIDN'T do are what really wore thin on me. Bowlen is taking the podium.

Den21vsBal19
12-31-2008, 01:04 PM
Chinese is about to be delivered, so I'm off to watch the press conference.........back later

underrated29
12-31-2008, 01:06 PM
please keep us updated guys.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:07 PM
Bowlen looks like he's about half dead.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:08 PM
Bowlen said he had been thinking about getting rid of Mike for a while now, and after fourteen years it was just time for a change. He has never been a believer there is a coach for life, (funny he says that considering other quotes we can bring up).

Mike
12-31-2008, 01:09 PM
Bowlen says that he didn't ask Mike to make any staff changes.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:09 PM
Had the Broncos made the playoffs, would the decision been the same?

Bowlen said he wouldn't speculate, and wouldn't know if his differences would have been the same.

Bowlen will not evaluate whether or not the defensive coordinator or offensive coordinator deserves to have his job. Says it isn't his responsibility.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:10 PM
Repetitive time for a change comments. 21 years, 14/7 is long enough. Different and new direction. Believes Mike did a great job, but it's time to move on.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:11 PM
Fielding questions on Mike's balance of power -- all the power he had. Felt he was doing both jobs as GM, VP and Coach well. Doesn't believe next coach will have all the powers Mike did. When asked if he would hire a GM or a coach first, Bowlen said he didn't know -- he hasn't thought that far ahead yet.

UnderArmour
12-31-2008, 01:12 PM
Shanahan's firing wasn't because of one loss or one season.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:13 PM
Firing isn't because of one loss or one season, like Bowlen has said -- about making a change. Wants to get a great coach in here, thinks he has a great personnel and staff department. This job in Denver is very attractive, and Bowlen is confident we'll get a great coach.

tomjonesrocks
12-31-2008, 01:13 PM
Repetitive time for a change comments. 21 years, 14/7 is long enough. Different and new direction. Believes Mike did a great job, but it's time to move on.

Zero details whatsoever backing that up though. Very repetitive. Apparently we're not going to know a lot about this.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:13 PM
Would like to have the hiring(s) done as soon as he can.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:14 PM
Believes that Mike will think this was a good decision for him too.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:15 PM
Reiterates the fact that the next coach will probably not have the same power as Mike. Mike could handle the power according to Bowlen, doesn't know if that new guy can. Bowlen getting very emotional about Mike now, almost crying. Can hear it in his voice. "21 years of friendship, etc."

tomjonesrocks
12-31-2008, 01:16 PM
Bowlen saying no consideration as to who is going to be the next head coach...sheesh.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:17 PM
Has not given consideration to who will be GM or Head Coach yet. Process has not started. Was asked about John Elway, and stated he had not talked to John and knows he is busy with other things.

When asked how far away we are from being a SB team, Bowlen said -- "We obviously aren't in the playoffs, so we're a long ways away. But that can change quickly."

One of the toughest, if not the toughest decisions he made.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:18 PM
Asked to explain his instincts, said he can't tell you why he feels the way he did. Confident in his decision. Maybe he will regret it. Confident Mike will do well and great elsewhere.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:19 PM
Bowlen wants someone to come in here and win a Super Bowl. That is why he is here. By getting good coaches, players and personnel -- we can achieve it. He hopes he can pick the right coach, personnel can get the right players and then go on to win the next Super Bowl.

Dortoh
12-31-2008, 01:19 PM
Has not given consideration to who will be GM or Head Coach yet. Process has not started. Was asked about John Elway, and stated he had not talked to John and knows he is busy with other things.

When asked how far away we are from being a SB team, Bowlen said -- "We obviously aren't in the playoffs, so we're a long ways away. But that can change quickly."

One of the toughest, if not the toughest decisions he made.

WTF that has got to be bullshit no??????

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:19 PM
Bowlen says he does not anticipate keeping anyone from the coaching staff Mike had. WOW.

I'll have to listen to that again. No changes in personnel though.

BroncoWave
12-31-2008, 01:20 PM
He doens't expect any of the coaching staff to return. WHAAAA?

UnderArmour
12-31-2008, 01:20 PM
Did he really say he doesn't anticipate keeping any members of the coaching staff? Did I hear that right?

Buff
12-31-2008, 01:20 PM
"I don't anticipate we will keep any members of the coaching staff."

Straight from the horses mouth. Slowik and Bates can pack their bags.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:20 PM
Jim Goodman will keep his job and have his job. Goodman is here to stay.

silkamilkamonico
12-31-2008, 01:21 PM
Did he really say he doesn't anticipate keeping any members of the coaching staff? Did I hear that right?

Bowlen isn't going to offer a job to a coach, and demand to him that a certain staff already in place will remain there.

If the new coach chooses to keep a guy like Slwoick on staff that will be up to him. But I don't think that will happen.

UnderArmour
12-31-2008, 01:21 PM
Jim Goodman will keep his job and have his job. Goodman is here to stay.

Whew... Dodged at least one bullet there.

And I was more surprised Bates is gone as of right now.

Buff
12-31-2008, 01:21 PM
Kind of disappointing that he hasn't given any thought to the new head coach or GM yet.

DenBronx
12-31-2008, 01:21 PM
i like the segment that bowlen said about cutler.

spikerman
12-31-2008, 01:21 PM
Is it me or does Bowlen seem genuinely pissed off?

underrated29
12-31-2008, 01:21 PM
what about our RB coach. He is VITAL to us and MUST STAY!!

Tned
12-31-2008, 01:21 PM
Bowlen says he does not anticipate keeping anyone from the coaching staff Mike had. WOW.

I'll have to listen to that again. No changes in personnel though.

You don't have to listen to it again, that's what he said.

Sounds like Bates and Turner are gone, among others.

dunk7
12-31-2008, 01:21 PM
I love Pat Bowlen...Man is a champ and used to live in my home town Edmonton AB. Canada

DenBronx
12-31-2008, 01:22 PM
Kind of disappointing that he hasn't given any thought to the new head coach or GM yet.

it just happened yesterday dude!

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:22 PM
When he asked if he'd consider a college coach Bowlen states, "He'll consider the whole pan and see of coaches."

"Winning is everything. It doesn't matter what it is worth."

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:23 PM
Will listen to his staff in considering people for the positions, but he will make the decision.

Buff
12-31-2008, 01:23 PM
Is it me or does Bowlen seem genuinely pissed off?

I was just about to say he's gonna punch one of these media members in the face...

He about tore Lindsay Jones' head off.

dunk7
12-31-2008, 01:23 PM
This sounds like Cowher is coming...he will bring in his people (hence firing all the coaches).

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:23 PM
I'm not sure Bates and Turner go, maybe. I'd hope not. We'll see though.

G_Money
12-31-2008, 01:24 PM
When he asked if he'd consider a college coach Bowlen states, "He'll consider the whole pan and see of coaches."

"Winning is everything. It doesn't matter what it is worth."

Did you mean panacea?

panacea -
pan⋅a⋅ce⋅a   /ˌpænəˈsiə/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [pan-uh-see-uh] Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. a remedy for all disease or ills; cure-all.
2. an answer or solution for all problems or difficulties: His economic philosophy is a good one, but he tries to use it as a panacea.

spikerman
12-31-2008, 01:24 PM
Kind of disappointing that he hasn't given any thought to the new head coach or GM yet.
Exactly! IMO you don't make this move unless you have somebody in mind already.

MOtorboat
12-31-2008, 01:24 PM
Kind of disappointing that he hasn't given any thought to the new head coach or GM yet.

Lie.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:24 PM
Dammit G, you just made me feel retarded. LMAO.

OB
12-31-2008, 01:24 PM
Damn i missed it didnt i - damn work always interfering with everything :mad:

tomjonesrocks
12-31-2008, 01:25 PM
When he asked if he'd consider a college coach Bowlen states, "He'll consider the whole pan and see of coaches."

"Winning is everything. It doesn't matter what it is worth."

panacea

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:25 PM
Wants the new guy to be a 10 in every area. Good thinking Pat.

underrated29
12-31-2008, 01:25 PM
oh boy if we lose turner, we are in for it. Big time.

We can move on from bates, not turner imo

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:26 PM
Process starts today. Looking for a coach first.

G_Money
12-31-2008, 01:26 PM
Dammit G, you just made me feel retarded. LMAO.

Sorry. :D I'm relying on you all since I can't hear or see the presser, so I just wanna be sure what they said. ;)

~G

scott.475
12-31-2008, 01:26 PM
He seems genuinely hurt that it had to come to this. I really like Pat and Mike.

tomjonesrocks
12-31-2008, 01:26 PM
Is it me or does Bowlen seem genuinely pissed off?

I'm not getting that vibe. Voice cracking at times. Emotional but not angry IMO.

dunk7
12-31-2008, 01:26 PM
Wow, some of you guys buy into the BS...he knows exactly who he wants....

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:26 PM
Doesn't know how long it'd take or who the candidates are, but states we will get a new head coach.

Said, "Hell no." to being the GM as himself.

tomjonesrocks
12-31-2008, 01:27 PM
What was that "hell no" at the end? Couldn't hear the question?

Buff
12-31-2008, 01:27 PM
Lie.

Of course he's given it a little thought, but watching the presser you can tell he genuinely hasn't started the process.

Buff
12-31-2008, 01:27 PM
What was that "hell no" at the end? Couldn't hear the question?

I think they asked him if he'd take on GM duties, but I couldn't hear it either...

silkamilkamonico
12-31-2008, 01:27 PM
oh boy if we lose turner, we are in for it. Big time.

We can move on from bates, not turner imo

Turner's a RB's coach. His RB's have done a great job in Denver, and have gone on to do nothing with other teams. We'll be fine regardless.

BTW, Bowlen is a class guy. You can see the anguish in him making a decision like that, and at the same time feel like it's for the best from a business standpoint.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:27 PM
Mike Shanahan is thanking people right now.

tomjonesrocks
12-31-2008, 01:27 PM
Wow, some of you guys buy into the BS...he knows exactly who he wants....

I hope so. Sounds like gut feelings and instincts, knee jerk, and right now we sound flat-footed.

OB
12-31-2008, 01:27 PM
Im sure bowlen has a few people in mind but a revamp of the whole staff - what does this mean for the next couple years?

Tned
12-31-2008, 01:28 PM
Last question was funny. "Have you thought about not hiring a general manager and take on that role yourself?"

Bowlen's answer:

"Hell NO"

BroncoWave
12-31-2008, 01:28 PM
oh boy if we lose turner, we are in for it. Big time.

We can move on from bates, not turner imo

There are other teams in the NFL that have potent rushing attacks without Bobby Turner as their coach. It won't be the end of the world if he goes.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:28 PM
Giving the Goodman's major props for the last three drafts.

scott.475
12-31-2008, 01:28 PM
What was that "hell no" at the end? Couldn't hear the question?

Asked if he would take over GM himself

DenBronx
12-31-2008, 01:28 PM
i really hope the goodmans stay

Denver Native (Carol)
12-31-2008, 01:28 PM
It may be my imagination, but I have to believe that this has not been brewing for a long time, regardless of what Bowlen said. I feel something happened, or was said just very recently that caused this. Bowlen appeared and sounded like this was totally tearing him up.

G_Money
12-31-2008, 01:28 PM
Process starts today. Looking for a coach first.

Well by process of deduction if he's keeping Goodman(s) then he may hire his own coach and fill in the front office personnel around them. Especially as he's given the coaching staff no such vote of confidence.

It really does look like Cowher may be the #1 call. He can have some of his front office guys that he likes, and rework the coaching staff as he chooses.

He told off the Jets and the Browns. Would he come back for this job? There's not gonna be a better one available, this year or next...

~G

Nick
12-31-2008, 01:29 PM
Pat is the man! Great speech. You can tell it is difficult for him to talk about this right now. And it seems like his personal is working around the clock lineing up the coaches. This is by far one of the most entertaining jobs and oppurtunity for any coach.

Going to listen to Shanny...

OB
12-31-2008, 01:29 PM
Mike Shanahan is thanking people right now.

Was there any indication mike knew this was coming?

Denver Native (Carol)
12-31-2008, 01:30 PM
Mike appears to be taking this MUCH better than Pat did

Tned
12-31-2008, 01:30 PM
I'm not sure Bates and Turner go, maybe. I'd hope not. We'll see though.

We'll see. Maybe if the new head coach chooses to keep him, but he said he didn't expect to keep any coaching staff, but will keep all the personell staff.

underrated29
12-31-2008, 01:30 PM
Turner's a RB's coach. His RB's have done a great job in Denver, and have gone on to do nothing with other teams. .


Thats my point. He takes drivel and makes them talent. Without him, our runningbacks could be lost and we will be forced to take a top flight #1 to keep pace with what he was doing.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:30 PM
I have no idea.

Nick
12-31-2008, 01:31 PM
Still thanking people he is on #200 right now. ;)

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:31 PM
Mike believes we have a great character team. Feels good about the guys he had. Feels good about the offensive. Feels like he's leaving a team who could be a difference maker, especially offensively. It'll be as good as any of them. Top to bottom, this team is right with character.

tomjonesrocks
12-31-2008, 01:32 PM
Damn this is tough to watch. Gut wrenching.

CrazyHorse
12-31-2008, 01:32 PM
Thats my point. He takes drivel and makes them talent. Without him, our runningbacks could be lost and we will be forced to take a top flight #1 to keep pace with what he was doing.

I wouldn't mind a top flight running back. :D

Tned
12-31-2008, 01:32 PM
Mike appears to be taking this MUCH better than Pat did

You could see from his HOF speech that Bowlen is an emotional guy. As he said, this was the toughest thing he has done as an owner.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:32 PM
Mike choking up talking about Pat right now. I am too. ****.

silkamilkamonico
12-31-2008, 01:32 PM
It may be my imagination, but I have to believe that this has not been brewing for a long time, regardless of what Bowlen said. I feel something happened, or was said just very recently that caused this. Bowlen appeared and sounded like this was totally tearing him up.

I do too. It's obvious that Mike is a great coach, but I think he's looking at other organization's that are consistently fighting in the playoffs and wanting to get to that point. The one thing in common all of those teams have is an outstanding defense, and with the seeming appearance that Mike just keeps neglecting that aspect, and not consistently in the playoffs, maybe Bowlen feels there is a common correlation there.

Tned
12-31-2008, 01:32 PM
Mike's getting choked up now that he mentioned Pat Bowlen.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:32 PM
This really sucks balls, I'm not even joking. I shouldn't be crying about this. WTF.

LRtagger
12-31-2008, 01:32 PM
boy this is tough to watch

Mike
12-31-2008, 01:33 PM
Tough to watch right now. :(

DenBronx
12-31-2008, 01:33 PM
what a class act shanahan is.

silkamilkamonico
12-31-2008, 01:33 PM
Mike choking up talking about Pat right now. I am too. ****.

I just turned it. I don't want to see that. I will follow Shanahan wherever he goes, and even though I support the decision Bowlen has made, it doesn't make the Mike Shanahan angle any easier to deal with.

Nick
12-31-2008, 01:34 PM
very tough to watch...

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:34 PM
Mike was asked if he deserved this. He said it didn't matter. You gotta make tough decisions and he has no problem with Pat's decision, because Pat is the best owner in sports. Mike says he'll regroup -- and he'll do something for himself. He understands that Pat will make changes on the defensive side. Fourteen great years. It has had a great ride and it has been fun.

UnderArmour
12-31-2008, 01:34 PM
Now Shanahan says Pat will keep the offensive staff intact?

Tned
12-31-2008, 01:34 PM
Hope Shanahan knows what he is saying, which is that Bowlen will keep most of the offensive staff in place.

OB
12-31-2008, 01:34 PM
Im so pissed i cant see this - will they replay on NFLNet you think?

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:34 PM
"You get judged my performance and I didn't get the job done." -- Mike Shanahan

G_Money
12-31-2008, 01:34 PM
This really sucks balls, I'm not even joking. I shouldn't be crying about this. WTF.

My ex-wife says the hardest thing to watch is tough guys crying, that it just wrenches your guts out.

I mean them, btw, not you Dream. You're a pushover. :P

~G

Tned
12-31-2008, 01:34 PM
what a class act shanahan is.

Both are a class act.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:35 PM
Im so pissed i cant see this - will they replay on NFLNet you think?

I'm sure the feeds will be reloaded to view on DB.com; when they are if they are, I will send a link your way OB420.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:35 PM
LMAO. "Sounds like I got a lot of time right now." -- in regards to taking some time off. Mike always was a jokester. I'll miss that.

Tned
12-31-2008, 01:35 PM
Im so pissed i cant see this - will they replay on NFLNet you think?

I'm sure the recordings will be on DenverBroncos.com for a while.

OB
12-31-2008, 01:36 PM
I'm sure the feeds will be reloaded to view on DB.com; when they are if they are, I will send a link your way OB420.

Thanks - good coverage dream :2thumbs:

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:36 PM
Mike keeps talking up the offense and the free agency and draft choices. The youth. Nothing but class. Appreciates people making tough decisions.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:36 PM
Mike even thanked Sundquist, woah.

OB
12-31-2008, 01:36 PM
I think i would be crying - like i did when elway retired - he's been such a big part of DB football :sad:

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:37 PM
Mike will always love and root for the Denver Broncos.

spikerman
12-31-2008, 01:37 PM
This world would be a better place if more people displayed the class of Mike Shanahan! :salute:

Tned
12-31-2008, 01:37 PM
LMAO. "Sounds like I got a lot of time right now." -- in regards to taking some time off. Mike always was a jokester. I'll miss that.

It also sounds like he is definately of the mind set of getting back to coaching pretty quick. Whether that is this year, I'm guessing has to do with whether or not a job is open that he wants. He should be able to cherry pick his job.

Denver Native (Carol)
12-31-2008, 01:37 PM
I have never been so confused as I am right now - listening to both of them, this one is hard to figure out - we probably will never know exactly what happened.

BroncoWave
12-31-2008, 01:37 PM
Shanahan will NOT take a job in the AFC West. He loves the Broncos too much to go up against them twice a year. After this press conference, I don't think there's a chance in hell he goes to an AFC West team.

dunk7
12-31-2008, 01:38 PM
Do you guys think that if shanny would have said after the SD game that Slowik would be fired, he'd still have his job?

tomjonesrocks
12-31-2008, 01:39 PM
Shanahan will NOT take a job in the AFC West. He loves the Broncos too much to go up against them twice a year. After this press conference, I don't think there's a chance in hell he goes to an AFC West team.

Looks that way, thank God.

Tned
12-31-2008, 01:39 PM
:salute: to Mike for what he is saying about Bowlen.

MOtorboat
12-31-2008, 01:39 PM
Mike will always love and root for the Denver Broncos.

The Denver Broncos want to win Championships. And I think WE will in the future.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:40 PM
Chance to win the Super Bowl is what Mike wants. I think he stays in the NFL, obviously. He said he'd sit back and get away for a few weeks, look at the options and opportunities -- and his decision will be made on what team has the best chance to win.

claymore
12-31-2008, 01:41 PM
I hope he retires and comes back as our Offensive Coordinator. :D

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:41 PM
Talking about developing a strong organization and how he always tried to do that. Titles didn't matter, just getting the best people in there was what he wanted.

Tned
12-31-2008, 01:41 PM
I have never been so confused as I am right now - listening to both of them, this one is hard to figure out - we probably will never know exactly what happened.

I doubt it's a mystery. It's like in Baseball where sometimes they fire a manager simply because they feel the message has gotten stale, that a 'change' will give them a better chance of winning.

I think that's what Bowlen was trying to say, and my guess is that it is sincere.

CrazyHorse
12-31-2008, 01:42 PM
Chance to win the Super Bowl is what Mike wants. I think he stays in the NFL, obviously. He said he'd sit back and get away for a few weeks, look at the options and opportunities -- and his decision will be made on what team has the best chance to win.

The Dallas Cowboys!
He's going to replace Wade Phillips again!

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:42 PM
His message didn't change, players did.

OB
12-31-2008, 01:42 PM
Why didnt Bowlen just cut back shannys power - was that asked?

Tned
12-31-2008, 01:43 PM
Chance to win the Super Bowl is what Mike wants. I think he stays in the NFL, obviously. He said he'd sit back and get away for a few weeks, look at the options and opportunities -- and his decision will be made on what team has the best chance to win.

I think whether he comes back this year, or sits, will be based on what organizations/owners have openings. I think he will want to go someplace where there is an owner that does whatever it takes to win, and a team that isn't 'too' far off from winning.

spikerman
12-31-2008, 01:43 PM
Why didnt Bowlen just cut back shannys power - was that asked?Bowlen said that was never brought up.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:43 PM
Doesn't think it's fair to go back and talk about the defense and what went wrong. Mike says it comes back to him, and he didn't get it done. A good defensive draft and free agents he says will help this defense out a bunch.

OB
12-31-2008, 01:43 PM
well at least we know he wont go to the raiders :lol:

OB
12-31-2008, 01:45 PM
Bowlen said that was never brought up.

wonder why - i would think that would have been option 1 - offensively Mike did a great job IMHO

Are/Have any of the players commented

Denver Native (Carol)
12-31-2008, 01:45 PM
I think whether he comes back this year, or sits, will be based on what organizations/owners have openings. I think he will want to go someplace where there is an owner that does whatever it takes to win, and a team that isn't 'too' far off from winning.

Dallas has been talked about a lot on the talk shows this morning - guess Mike and Jones are very good friends.

Tned
12-31-2008, 01:45 PM
Why didnt Bowlen just cut back shannys power - was that asked?

Yes, and he said that there was no change that Mike would have made that would have changed his decision.

spikerman
12-31-2008, 01:45 PM
I'm amazed. Shanahan says that he should be judged on whether he got it done or not and he "didn't get it done". I don't believe I've ever heard a person who holds himself to the same standard as he holds everybody else. What a guy!

roomemp
12-31-2008, 01:45 PM
After listening to these two guys, I am damn proud to be a Broncos fan. DAMN PROUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OB
12-31-2008, 01:45 PM
Dallas - noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Requiem / The Dagda
12-31-2008, 01:46 PM
Givin' love to the fans. College atmosphere. . . just the best.

MOtorboat
12-31-2008, 01:46 PM
Dallas - noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

And he'd be following Wade Phillips...again...

Tned
12-31-2008, 01:46 PM
Dallas has been talked about a lot on the talk shows this morning - guess Mike and Jones are very good friends.

Yea, I posted yesterday that I thought that Dallas was one of the most likely places for Mike to go. It would be interesting, considering how strong both Mike and Jones personalities are.

underrated29
12-31-2008, 01:47 PM
Yea, I posted yesterday that I thought that Dallas was one of the most likely places for Mike to go. It would be interesting, considering how strong both Mike and Jones personalities are.

Yeah i thought dallas or cleveland too.

Denver Native (Carol)
12-31-2008, 01:48 PM
Yea, I posted yesterday that I thought that Dallas was one of the most likely places for Mike to go. It would be interesting, considering how strong both Mike and Jones personalities are.

I just don't think Mike would fit well in an organization where the owner is constantly looking over his shoulder - constantly telling the coach what to do - would be just another "Raider" situation.

Tned
12-31-2008, 01:49 PM
Ok, clarification on keeping the offensive staff. Obviously Bowlen hasn't committed to keeping them, but that Shanahan said the new coach would be crazy to see how the offense has been playing (passing and running) and not keep most of the offensive staff.

Tned
12-31-2008, 01:50 PM
I just don't think Mike would fit well in an organization where the owner is constantly looking over his shoulder - constantly telling the coach what to do - would be just another "Raider" situation.

Maybe, but the flip side is that his main goal is to win, and as bad as Jones is (I don't like him or his team), there are few people as dedicated to winning, and as willing to pay, as Jerry Jones.

The big question there is whether Jones thinks Garrett is ready, since he has already proclaimed him the HC in waiting.

spikerman
12-31-2008, 01:52 PM
Maybe, but the flip side is that his main goal is to win, and as bad as Jones is (I don't like him or his team), there are few people as dedicated to winning, and as willing to pay, as Jerry Jones.

The big question there is whether Jones thinks Garrett is ready, since he has already proclaimed him the HC in waiting.
Since Jones is allowing Garrett to talk to the Lions I think that shows that he doesn't think he's ready.

silkamilkamonico
12-31-2008, 01:54 PM
Ok, clarification on keeping the offensive staff. Obviously Bowlen hasn't committed to keeping them, but that Shanahan said the new coach would be crazy to see how the offense has been playing (passing and running) and not keep most of the offensive staff.

That's an interesting situation. You'd love to keep the offensive staff in place, but at the same time, do you want to risk limiting coaching candidates because they have their own staff they would like to bring in...

Denver Native (Carol)
12-31-2008, 01:55 PM
Since Jones is allowing Garrett to talk to the Lions I think that shows that he doesn't think he's ready.

Or Jones now wants to go a different direction

spikerman
12-31-2008, 01:56 PM
After this I hope I never again hear the phrase "go in a different direction".

Tned
12-31-2008, 01:58 PM
That's an interesting situation. You'd love to keep the offensive staff in place, but at the same time, do you want to risk limiting coaching candidates because they have their own staff they would like to bring in...

If Bowlen didn't allow the head coach to make the decision, I think that would be a terrible idea, and some coaches might not take the job with conditions such as being required to keep certain offensive coaches.

tomjonesrocks
12-31-2008, 01:58 PM
Wow--Mike starts to break down every time he has to talk about Pat. These guys were/are close.

nmbroncosfan
12-31-2008, 02:01 PM
Bowlen and Shanahan are both class acts

OB
12-31-2008, 02:01 PM
damn - the feed from db.com worked and i just caught the end - uuuggghhhhhhhhhh

tomjonesrocks
12-31-2008, 02:01 PM
Bah--it's over thank god. Most difficult thing I've watched in a long time.

Buff
12-31-2008, 02:03 PM
That was gut wrenching... Really tough to feel good about the move right now.

Denver Native (Carol)
12-31-2008, 02:03 PM
Adam Schnefner talking about it on NFL Network

OB
12-31-2008, 02:04 PM
cant get on the forums - must be flooded

BroncosRockdaRockies
12-31-2008, 02:04 PM
pat bowlen and mike shanahan and the denver broncos demonstrated the most class i have ever seen by any nfl team!!!!!!!!!!!!

good luck mike and good luck to the broncos!

Tned
12-31-2008, 02:05 PM
That was gut wrenching... Really tough to feel good about the move right now.

A lot of people have been calling for it for quite a while.

Tned
12-31-2008, 02:06 PM
cant get on the forums - must be flooded

Here? Or denverbroncos.com?

OB
12-31-2008, 02:07 PM
Here? Or denverbroncos.com?

there - it took awhile but i got through - dont know why - too much too many :shocked:

Buff
12-31-2008, 02:08 PM
A lot of people have been calling for it for quite a while.

I've never been in that crowd. I thought Shanahan could stay for as long as he wanted, and at least through the end of the latest contract.

nmbroncosfan
12-31-2008, 02:08 PM
The word "change" sure has been popular this year

Mike
12-31-2008, 02:10 PM
I've never been in that crowd. I thought Shanahan could stay for as long as he wanted, and at least through the end of the latest contract.

I was in that crowd and still feel it is the right move. Doesn't make it any easier to watch and I certainly derive no pleasure from seeing the best coach in Denver history and who is such a stand-up guy go, but it just the right thing for Denver IMO.

G_Money
12-31-2008, 02:11 PM
People should finish the whole phrase.

"Go in a different - and more successful - direction."

"Change - for the better."

Changing direction can bury you in the ground or slam you into a wall, too. Giving up Mike Shanahan the coach is hard. Giving up Shanahan the GM is easier.

Finding better replacements for both is a tall order, even with our recent mediocrity.

Better keep sending Bowlen those good vibes - he's gonna need em.

~G

Northman
12-31-2008, 02:14 PM
Doesn't think it's fair to go back and talk about the defense and what went wrong. Mike says it comes back to him, and he didn't get it done. A good defensive draft and free agents he says will help this defense out a bunch.

Excellent response as always.

Denver Native (Carol)
12-31-2008, 02:16 PM
It will take quite a while to comprehend that Mike will not be on the Broncos' sidelines any more, or not connected with the Broncos any more.

This whole thing is totally confusing to me. Neither Pat or Mike acted like they wanted this to happen :confused:

Northman
12-31-2008, 02:18 PM
Even though i will get emotional i need to catch the replay of his conference. I need it just like i did for John's retirement speech no matter how tough it is.

tomjonesrocks
12-31-2008, 02:23 PM
It will take quite a while to comprehend that Mike will not be on the Broncos' sidelines any more, or not connected with the Broncos any more.

This whole thing is totally confusing to me. Neither Pat or Mike acted like they wanted this to happen :confused:

It is hard. Bowlen just had vague references to instincts that a change had to be made -- obviously while he still believed in Mike personally he apparently just thought things had gotten stale.

Bowlen acknowledging he may later regret the decision and that he hasn't even thought about replacements and all the emotion plus all of Shanahan's classy comments make it hard on fans though. Cutler's comments yesterday also made this worse--despite what Bowlen said today about Cutler's reaction.

I really hope Shanahan lands in the NFC and not the AFC. I really think the Redskins or Cowboys are the likely destinations--and I could live with those--but having to face him often or in the playoffs (Jets) would really suck.

Tned
12-31-2008, 02:24 PM
It will take quite a while to comprehend that Mike will not be on the Broncos' sidelines any more, or not connected with the Broncos any more.

This whole thing is totally confusing to me. Neither Pat or Mike acted like they wanted this to happen :confused:

They're are friends, so I'm sure they didn't want it to happen. Just like Shanahan didn't want to let Heimerdinger go, or Coyer go, or many others.

Bowlen clearly felt that the team was stagnant and not moving forward, and needed a change. Sometimes in coaching changes, it isn't even about getting someone better, but about changing things up -- sometimes sending a message to the players.

Bowlen even said that he hopes to get someone 'as good' as Mike, not that he is going to replace him with someone better.

Italianmobstr7
12-31-2008, 02:24 PM
I just got to read it and I almost teared up. I can't imagine the Broncos without Shanahan, but that's the reality now. I follow the Broncos team no matter who's coaching or playing. It's going to be weird seeing Shanny coaching a different NFL team. Hopefully this isn't the wrong move and things will work out. Shanny is a class guy. It's hard to see him leave, but it is the NFL. All we can do is look forward and move on.

Tned
12-31-2008, 02:25 PM
I really hope Shanahan lands in the NFC and not the AFC. I really think the Redskins or Cowboys are the likely destinations--and I could live with those--but having to face him often or in the playoffs would really suck.


I also hope he winds up in the NFC east. It would be ironic if he goes to Washington or Dallas in '09, since we will play both of those teams next year.

broncofaninfla
12-31-2008, 02:25 PM
Lets just hope he doesn't get a Gruden like revenge! LOL!

Northman
12-31-2008, 02:27 PM
Wrong vid.

Northman
12-31-2008, 02:34 PM
Sorry about that. Wrong one.

Northman
12-31-2008, 02:38 PM
Here is Bowlen's speech.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80dc9254

WARHORSE
12-31-2008, 02:42 PM
Im sick.

broncofaninfla
12-31-2008, 02:42 PM
Denver Broncos owner Pat Bowlen on Tuesday addressed the team's decision to fire coach Mike Shanahan and said the next coach would not also hold the general manager job, as Shanahan did.
"I don't anticipate the new coach will have both jobs."
When Shanahan spoke later, he gave a vote of confidence for John Elway to return to the organization and spoke fondly of his former players and coaches including John Elway, Terrell Davis, and Shannon Sharpe.
"You're not here 21 years without having good people around you."
Below are live updates from Broncos headquarters during the news conferences:
12:01: Shanahan ended his news conference with a comment about his Cherry Hills mansion under construction. "I love Denver. Hopefully I will live in Denver the rest of my life."
11:59: Shanahan expressed no frustration at Bowlen's previous remarks hinting he had a contract for life if he so desired. "I believed Pat Bowlen meant it when he said it. But you have to make tough decisions. Pat Bowlen and I will be friends forever. Pat Bowlen has stood by me time and time again. It was tougher on him than it was on me. I guarantee that."
11:56: Shanahan said he began packing his office Tuesday night. "I did a little of that last night and this morning. But the toughest part is what you can't pack, and that's the relationships."
11:55: Shanahan reiterated he might be on another sideline next year, if the right situation arose. "I'll be coaching again. I can't give you a time fram. I love the NFL, so I don't see getting out of it, but you just don't know."
11:52: Shanahan gave a vote of confidence for John Elway to find a role in the Broncos organization. "I think it would be great. If I was a free agent and I saw John Elway was here, I'd sign for no money. John has a lot going on but I think he'd be perfect for any organization, especially this one."
11:50: Shanahan lobbied for his offensive assistants to be retained. "When new head coach comes and if he doesn't see what the offense did...he'd be crazy not to try and keep the people that helped make that happen."
11:47: Shanahan said he talked with Cutler but has not been answering his phone, and he has not yet been contacted by any other team.
11:44: Shanahan refused to lay blame on the parade of defensive coordinators that have come in and out of Dove Valley the past eight years. "I don't think it's fair for me to go in that direction. The bottom line is that it comes back to me. That's how you're evaluated. Defensively, we can come back."
11:43: Shanahan maintained he held high promise for this year's team, despite the late collapse. "The best I've felt about a team the past five, six years was this team because we were young, had character, and the direction we were going."
11:41 Shanahan did not reveal how quickly he is planning to be back on another team's sideline. "I'm not going to make any decision about next year, two years from now."
11:36: Shanahan admitted the decision took him by surprise. "You understand sports and you don't ever know what is going to happen. It did catch me by surprise but I understand the reasoning behind it."
11:34: It was Shanahan's turn to become emotional when he talked about his relationship with Bowlen. "He's a great friend and he will always be my great friend. I appreciate every opportunity he gave me to be successful. You have to make tough decisions in any organization, and Pat made a tough decision."
11:33: Shanahan expressed regret at the explosive offense he is leaving behind. "You look at what we did, you know you're leaving team that is going in the right direction. You look at Super Bowl teams, and this one will be as good as any of them."
11:30: Shanahan also went through a list of players that meant the most during his tenure, including John Elway, Terrell Davis, and Shannon Sharpe. "You're not here 21 years without having good people around you."
11:28: Mike Shanahan has started his news conference.

broncofaninfla
12-31-2008, 02:43 PM
11:26: Bowlen admitted Shanahan was disappointed with the decision but the longstanding partners did not begin to have ill words during their conversation. "It wasn't a confrontational conversation. It was a conversation where I said I had to move on, and that was it."
11:23: Bowlen said he did not expect anyone on the coaching staff to be retained but that the front office personnel would remain intact. "I don't anticipate keeping anyone on the coaching staff. Jim Goodman has his job and will have his job."
11:22: Bowlen said he had a meaningful conversation with Jay Cutler on Wednesday morning. "I've talked to Jay Cutler this morning and I did not get any negative feedback from him. Obviously Jay is the man around here now, so I will be talking to him."
11:20: Bowlen says he doesn't anticipate keeping any members of the coaching staff.
11:19: Bowlen became emotional as he described how difficult it was to end his longstanding relationship with Shanahan. "When you're with someone 21 years and you have to let him go, it's a tough decision. I may end up regretting the decision, but right now I'm very comfortable with the decision."
11:18: Bowlen: "I want somebody to come in here and win a Super Bowl."
11:16: Bowlen said he had been pondering the decision for some time. "Obviously this season did not go as well as we wanted it to go. After 14 years as head coach, it was time for us to go in a different direction."
11:13: Bowlen said the next coach would not also hold the general manager job, as Shanahan did. "I don't anticipate the new coach will have both jobs."
11:12: Bowlen refuted the idea that Shanahan may have kept his job if he would have agreed to make changes to his coaching staff. "I've always let Mike pick his own staff, his own coaches, and he's done a great job in that area."
11:10: Broncos owner Pat Bowlen began his press conference with a farewell-and-good luck message for Mike Shanahan.
“I have decided to make a historic change in this organization," Bowlen said. "I have terminated Mike Shanahan as head coach. I’m sure he will go on to another organization and be great for that organization. I’m sure he will go on to be with another organization and be great for that organization. I hope I can replace him with someone on the same level as Mike.”
11:07: "It was just time," Bowlen says. "Unfortunately I've never been a believer there's a coach for life."
11:06: Bowlen says he's been thinking of making a change for awhile. Season didn't go as planned, but he doesn't just blame the coach for that.
11:05: Bowlen says it was time for the organization to move, time for Mike to move on.
11:04: Pat Bowlen says he has terminated Mike Shanahan as head coach, wishes him well going forward.

BroncoTech
12-31-2008, 03:48 PM
Thanks for the link. Wow that was tough to watch. I was thinking this was thought out a little better than it was. I thought maybe Pat had a plan but this seems entirely off the cuff. Sad day for Bronco fans, but we've had bad days before and disappointment before and the young team will adjust. In the end it will make these young guys fight harder.

Denver Native (Carol)
12-31-2008, 03:50 PM
Everything still points to the fact that Mike would not fire Slowik!!!!

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...an-pat-bowlen/

In a tear-filled news conference the day after firing Mike Shanahan, Broncos owner Pat Bowlen gave no timetable today for hiring the coach’s replacement and said he fired Shanahan after 14 seasons because, simply, he felt it was time for a change.

Bowlen said the next coach would not also hold the general manager job as Shanahan did but said his priority was hiring a new coach first.

"I don't anticipate the new coach will have both jobs," Bowlen said.

He said he had not yet compiled a short list of candidates.

After 14 years, Bowlen on Tuesday fired the winningest coach in Broncos history, parting ways with Shanahan, who had delivered the team's only two Super Bowl trophies.

In the news conference Wednesday, Bowlen admitted Shanahan was disappointed with the decision but the longstanding partners did not have ill words during their conversation.

"It wasn't a confrontational conversation. It was a conversation where I said I had to move on, and that was it."

When the now former Broncos coach spoke later, he gave a vote of confidence for John Elway to return to the organization and spoke fondly of his former coaches and players, including Elway, Terrell Davis and Shannon Sharpe.

"You're not here 21 years without having good people around you."

Three league sources said Tuesday afternoon that, in a short meeting, Bowlen had wanted Shanahan to make changes on the team's coaching staff, particularly with defensive coordinator Bob Slowik, and that Shanahan had refused.

Shanahan refused to lay blame on Slowik or the parade of defensive coordinators that have come in and out of Dove Valley the past eight years.

"I don't think it's fair for me to go in that direction. The bottom line is that it comes back to me. That's how you're evaluated. Defensively, we can come back."

Shanahan said he’s interested in coaching again but hasn’t taken any phone calls about current openings.

"I'll be coaching again," he said. "I can't give you a time frame. I love the NFL, so I don't see getting out of it, but you just don't know."

The Cleveland Plain-Dealer reported Wednesday that the Browns would like to contact Shanahan about their vacant coaching position.

Shanahan maintained he held high promise for this year's team, despite the late collapse. "The best I've felt about a team the past five, six years was this team because we were young, had character, and the direction we were going."

Below are live updates from Broncos headquarters during the news conferences:

12:01: Shanahan ended his news conference with a comment about his Cherry Hills mansion under construction. "I love Denver. Hopefully I will live in Denver the rest of my life."

11:59: Shanahan expressed no frustration at Bowlen's previous remarks hinting he had a contract for life if he so desired. "I believed Pat Bowlen meant it when he said it. But you have to make tough decisions. Pat Bowlen and I will be friends forever. Pat Bowlen has stood by me time and time again. It was tougher on him than it was on me. I guarantee that."

11:56: Shanahan said he began packing his office Tuesday night. "I did a little of that last night and this morning. But the toughest part is what you can't pack, and that's the relationships."

11:55: Shanahan reiterated he might be on another sideline next year, if the right situation arose. "I'll be coaching again. I can't give you a time frame. I love the NFL, so I don't see getting out of it, but you just don't know."

11:52: Shanahan gave a vote of confidence for John Elway to find a role in the Broncos organization. "I think it would be great. If I was a free agent and I saw John Elway was here, I'd sign for no money. John has a lot going on but I think he'd be perfect for any organization, especially this one."

11:50: Shanahan lobbied for his offensive assistants to be retained. "When new head coach comes and if he doesn't see what the offense did...he'd be crazy not to try and keep the people that helped make that happen."

11:47: Shanahan said he talked with Cutler but has not been answering his phone, and he has not yet been contacted by any other team.

11:44: Shanahan refused to lay blame on the parade of defensive coordinators that have come in and out of Dove Valley the past eight years. "I don't think it's fair for me to go in that direction. The bottom line is that it comes back to me. That's how you're evaluated. Defensively, we can come back."

11:43: Shanahan maintained he held high promise for this year's team, despite the late collapse. "The best I've felt about a team the past five, six years was this team because we were young, had character, and the direction we were going."

11:41 Shanahan did not reveal how quickly he is planning to be back on another team's sideline. "I'm not going to make any decision about next year, two years from now."

11:36: Shanahan admitted the decision took him by surprise. "You understand sports and you don't ever know what is going to happen. It did catch me by surprise but I understand the reasoning behind it."

11:34: It was Shanahan's turn to become emotional when he talked about his relationship with Bowlen. "He's a great friend and he will always be my great friend. I appreciate every opportunity he gave me to be successful. You have to make tough decisions in any organization, and Pat made a tough decision."

11:33: Shanahan expressed regret at the explosive offense he is leaving behind. "You look at what we did, you know you're leaving team that is going in the right direction. You look at Super Bowl teams, and this one will be as good as any of them."

11:30: Shanahan also went through a list of players that meant the most during his tenure, including John Elway, Terrell Davis, and Shannon Sharpe. "You're not here 21 years without having good people around you."

11:28: Mike Shanahan has started his news conference.

11:26: Bowlen admitted Shanahan was disappointed with the decision but the longstanding partners did not begin to have ill words during their conversation. "It wasn't a confrontational conversation. It was a conversation where I said I had to move on, and that was it."

11:23: Bowlen said he did not expect anyone on the coaching staff to be retained but that the front office personnel would remain intact. "I don't anticipate keeping anyone on the coaching staff. Jim Goodman has his job and will have his job."

11:22: Bowlen said he had a meaningful conversation with Jay Cutler on Wednesday morning. "I've talked to Jay Cutler this morning and I did not get any negative feedback from him. Obviously Jay is the man around here now, so I will be talking to him."

11:20: Bowlen says he doesn't anticipate keeping any members of the coaching staff.

11:19: Bowlen became emotional as he described how difficult it was to end his longstanding relationship with Shanahan. "When you're with someone 21 years and you have to let him go, it's a tough decision. I may end up regretting the decision, but right now I'm very comfortable with the decision."

11:18: Bowlen: "I want somebody to come in here and win a Super Bowl."

11:16: Bowlen said he had been pondering the decision for some time. "Obviously this season did not go as well as we wanted it to go. After 14 years as head coach, it was time for us to go in a different direction."

11:13: Bowlen said the next coach would not also hold the general manager job, as Shanahan did. "I don't anticipate the new coach will have both jobs."

11:12: Bowlen refuted the idea that Shanahan may have kept his job if he would have agreed to make changes to his coaching staff. "I've always let Mike pick his own staff, his own coaches, and he's done a great job in that area."

11:10: Broncos owner Pat Bowlen began his press conference with a farewell-and-good luck message for Mike Shanahan.

“I have decided to make a historic change in this organization," Bowlen said. "I have terminated Mike Shanahan as head coach. I’m sure he will go on to another organization and be great for that organization. I’m sure he will go on to be with another organization and be great for that organization. I hope I can replace him with someone on the same level as Mike.”

11:07: "It was just time," Bowlen says. "Unfortunately I've never been a believer there's a coach for life."

11:06: Bowlen says he's been thinking of making a change for awhile. Season didn't go as planned, but he doesn't just blame the coach for that.

11:05: Bowlen says it was time for the organization to move, time for Mike to move on.

11:04: Pat Bowlen says he has terminated Mike Shanahan as head coach, wishes him well going forward.

The Associated Press and Pat Rooney contributed to this report

deacon
12-31-2008, 04:12 PM
Like him or hate him you've got to admit shanahan is a classy guy. Some guys get fired and don't have anything negative to say but shanny was very positive about Bowlen and the Broncos.

Broncolingus
12-31-2008, 06:59 PM
I just watched both press conferences in full...

Probably deserves a separate thread, but both gentlemen showed extreme class in today...

Surprised both were that emotional but shows the depth of their relationship...very nice.