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Northman
12-31-2008, 11:08 AM
I normally dont write long drawn out articles about much including football related issues. However, having been a Bronco fan for the last 26 years i felt that i needed to write something because of what has transpired over the last 24 hours. I remember the day i became a Bronco fan. I remember watching the Broncos playing the Seahawks and up until that point i had always rooted against them for whatever reason. And everytime i rooted against Denver they would win. So this particular day i decided to root for Denver and low and behold they lost. But i said to myself, im destined to be a Bronco fan. Its an odd way to have become a fan no doubt. I remember very little about the orange crush except for the soda pops i would see in the local stores. I didnt even pay attention to football until i was 10 and at that point i was enamored with Tony Dorsett and the Dallas Cowboys.

But, after giving my allegiance to the Broncos in 82' i soon would discover the greatest of hero's and someone i would grow up idolizing in with John Elway. The things he did simply cannot be put into words. Many new generation of fans only have repeat video clips or news bits of John's greatest feats. But to have watched these events unfold live is vastly different. Not just because you were seeing it happen and unfolding but because of the emotional energy involved in the process. During Elway's first SB run i went from total elation from the "drive" to total collapse against the New York Giants in the SB. One thing has been consistent with me since my youth when it comes to the Denver Broncos. When they lose, im not the best person to talk too. Although im not as angry when it comes to losing as i was when i was a teen i still become somewhat numb and distant. My wife has noticed this just like the loss Sunday night. She knew that if Denver lost she wouldnt be getting any nook nook that night.

Never the less, despite the great things that Elway did early in his career i grew a certain fondness for the Head Coach in Dan Reeves. Flash forward to 92' when he got fired by Pat Bowlen i was numb yet understood the move. Denver had been to 3 Super Bowls under his tenure and lost all of them and convincingly. The last one a 55-10 route by the San Francisco 49rs. So although i was quite bummed i knew that something had to be done. Wade Phillips came in and i just could never get on board with him. Even to this day i feel he is vastly overrated as a HC but a good DC. Flash forward again to 95' in the hiring of Mike Shanahan. With all my attention paid to Reeves and the players i really never took notice of Mike on the sidelines. Prior to his hire i only really knew him as the Raiders HC for his short stint there.

But, from the get go i could see promising things under Shanahan. One included John seeming more vigilante and energized and the play of one young Terrell Davis. Im sure every Bronco fan saw something special brewing with Davis. He just played and looked different than any other back Denver ever had. It was as if he was the missing link to what Elway and company needed. And it did come to fruitition even despite the disappointing loss to Jax in the 96' Wild Card game. Denver would then go and win 2 Super Bowls after that bringing happiness and joy to Broncoland forever. Denver had finally gotten over the hump and Mike Shanahan was a big part of that. Sure, the Elite players of Elway and the rising star Davis were major contributors but there still had to be a coach to make the calls at the right moments.

Elway would then retire on top of the world and the future seemed bright for Denver regardless. But, tragedy ensued when Davis would go down with career ending injury the following year. Shanahan tried to keep the ship afloat by plugging in other backs who did admirably but were not quite Davis. The following year Shanahan would guide the Broncos to the 00' Wild Card playoffs against the Ravens. Even then, the defense was a shell of its former self but the offense was second only to the Rams. But the staunch defense of the eventual SB champ Ravens was too much and Denver ultimately got escorted out.

The next 3 years would be up and down until the arrival of Jake Plummer. Shanahan, trying desperately to regain a player with the heart and fire of John Elway and the reputation of coming back from behind managed to take Jake and the Broncos to 3 playoff appearances. The first two ended badly as the defense still had major issues and it was quite evident that Jake would not be of the caliber that Elway was when it came to saving the day. In 05' the defense was improved but only with the bend but dont break philosphy. Relying heavily upon turnovers they were able to get their way to the AFC Championship game only to lose the eventual SB Champion Steelers. Shanahan though had decision to make. Either continue to build the defense or make a change at QB as Plummer had a tendency to be erratic and inconsistent. And figuring Jake had been in the league for almost a decade Shanny decided he needed to make a move for a gunner who could be more accurate and make the tough throws.

And since the opportunity was there in the following draft Shanahan pulled the plug and got his future QB in Jay Cutler. Along the way Denver had lost a lot of veteran leadership and quality players from the heyday of the late 90's. It was a true rebulding process for the Denver Broncos and although they had gone 1-4 in the playoffs since the Super Bowl wins they still managed to compete and have winning records despite the shortcomings of pieces and coaching ability. But, much like the end of the Dan Reeves era it would seem the time of Mike Shanahan was coming to a close. With the new generation of players one could argue that the guys just werent responding to a coach who had won 2 rings with one of the greatest QB's ever to play the game. And on this day i again feel numb and saddened to see another great coach leaving this franchise.

But with it i understand that sometimes things run their course and for Mike Shanahan it may of been too little too late for him. But when i look at some of the other fans commenting on Shanahan im truly disgusted by the lack of class and respect shown to him. Whether its because they dont truly understand the importance of his role with the Denver franchise or the ignorance of youth it is truly disappointing to see so much glee of his departure from man who gave everything to this franchise. Hopefully one day those individuals will understand the relevance of one Mike Shanahan. And like Dan Reeves, Shanahan will move on to other pastures to try and continue his coaching saga. I too will move on and hope that the next coach is good enough to live up to road that Reeves and Shanahan paved along the way. But for now, i will reflect on the great many things that Mike Shanahan did for the Bronco organization and wish him the best of luck in the future.

broncofaninfla
12-31-2008, 11:12 AM
Good read, thanks

Shazam!
12-31-2008, 11:21 AM
I am a Broncos fan. I root for the team. I root for the uniform. The Broncos are bigger than Mike Shanahan, not the other way around. It's not like they traded Elway in 1993 or something.

The Broncos needed to get get better and Shanahan overstayed. A new message and philosophy was needed. The 2008 Season was a complete collapse with some bad losses like Oakland and KC. I believe this is when Bowlen really opened his eyes. The defense was an embarassment.

You'll get over it and the Broncos will be fine.

Medford Bronco
12-31-2008, 11:25 AM
Great job Northman.

I hope that I am not one of those being disrespectful of Shanny. :scared:

Like I have said I appreciate what he did but it was time for a change and I have been a Bronco fan as long as yourself (1 year longer actually).

I have just tried to play devils advocate a bit as well.

I think shanny dug his own grave with the Plummer fiasco and believe that till this day.
I was not a big Plummer fan but it was handled poorly. I wish that he held Cutler out until 2007 and things might have been a smoother transition.

Water under the bridge now.

good luck Shanny and may we get a new HC that will restore us back to the glory days of Shannys first 3 seasons.

Medford Bronco
12-31-2008, 11:28 AM
I am a Broncos fan. I root for the team. I root for the uniform. The Broncos are bigger than Mike Shanahan, not the other way around. It's not like they traded Elway in 1993 or something.

The Broncos needed to get get better and Shanahan overstayed. A new message and philosophy was needed. The 2008 Season was a complete collapse with some bad losses like Oakland and KC. I believe this is when Bowlen really opened his eyes. The defense was an embarassment.

You'll get over it and the Broncos will be fine.

The bad loss to Buffalo cant be overlooked as well. That is were I believe Shanny finally lost his control this year. From the 2nd half of the Buffalo game Denver was outscored 72-31. Not good

Northman
12-31-2008, 11:35 AM
I am a Broncos fan. I root for the team. I root for the uniform. The Broncos are bigger than Mike Shanahan, not the other way around. It's not like they traded Elway in 1993 or something.

The Broncos needed to get get better and Shanahan overstayed. A new message and philosophy was needed. The 2008 Season was a complete collapse with some bad losses like Oakland and KC. I believe this is when Bowlen really opened his eyes. The defense was an embarassment.

You'll get over it and the Broncos will be fine.


All those things are very true. But, Denver overachieved this year to begin with so the collapse was unavoidable. Only a fool would of believed we were really better than we were going into this season. The team is rebuilding and was not going to win a SB this year. But my general point is at least have the class to hold off on your celebrations. The man still did a lot of great things for the Denver Broncos so at least show some class and respect in that regard.

Dirk
12-31-2008, 11:36 AM
Great post...good read.

For sure the true Broncos fans will always keep a place in their Broncos heart for Shanny. He will truly be missed on the sidelines.

NightTrainLayne
12-31-2008, 11:47 AM
The bad loss to Buffalo cant be overlooked as well. That is were I believe Shanny finally lost his control this year. From the 2nd half of the Buffalo game Denver was outscored 72-31. Not good

Go back one week and add in the Carolina thumping. . .that's where the writing was starting to become apparent on the wall.

Medford Bronco
12-31-2008, 11:48 AM
Go back one week and add in the Carolina thumping. . .that's where the writing was starting to become apparent on the wall.

I forgot about that one. I must have blocked it from my mind :tsk:

broncofaninfla
12-31-2008, 11:59 AM
But with it i understand that sometimes things run their course and for Mike Shanahan it may of been too little too late for him. But when i look at some of the other fans commenting on Shanahan im truly disgusted by the lack of class and respect shown to him. Whether its because they dont truly understand the importance of his role with the Denver franchise or the ignorance of youth it is truly disappointing to see so much glee of his departure from man who gave everything to this franchise. Hopefully one day those individuals will understand the relevance of one Mike Shanahan. And like Dan Reeves, Shanahan will move on to other pastures to try and continue his coaching saga. I too will move on and hope that the next coach is good enough to live up to road that Reeves and Shanahan paved along the way. But for now, i will reflect on the great many things that Mike Shanahan did for the Bronco organization and wish him the best of luck in the future.

I wanted to say great read again and I too have been disgusted in how some the members have responded to Shanahan getting fired. A total lack of class by some.
Thanks for sharing your story and here's to a new chapter in Broncos history :beer:

NightTrainLayne
12-31-2008, 12:01 PM
The Reeves firing and this one are very similar to me. In both instances I would have argued to keep the former coach due to their previous successes and never really fielding a "bad" team for an entire season.

But in both instances, as soon as it was done, I was ready to look forward and move on. I don't have a bad feeling about this at all despite the respect and admiration I have for Shanny.

We'll be alright. Bowlen won't be wrong for long.

broncofaninfla
12-31-2008, 12:05 PM
I was ready for Reeves to go. I was ready for a total change back then. This time around, I only wanted a change on the defensive side of the ball. Hopefully it works out.

Northman
12-31-2008, 12:06 PM
I wanted to say great read again and I too have been disgusted in how some the members have responded to Shanahan getting fired. A total lack of class by some.
Thanks for sharing your story and here's to a new chapter in Broncos history :beer:


Definitely. Hopefully we can land someone who can carry the torch and add some flavor to this team. As for the ones who cant seem to show any class, oh well. Its to be expected and considering some of the sources im not totally shocked. But im hoping for a good replacement who can help these kids succeed. I just hope that the timing here doesnt backfire and force some of these quality players to leave. :salute:

tomjonesrocks
12-31-2008, 12:15 PM
The 2008 Season was a complete collapse with some bad losses like Oakland and KC.

That is one thing that sticks out in my mind about this year. The sheer number of despicable, gut-wrenching losses we had this season really seemed out of hand. I don't remember a season where there seemed to be so many games we couldn't even stay close in or were over by halftime. The Monday night game where I couldn't even make it home from work on Pacific time (Patriots) before the friggin' thing was over. The Panthers. Of course the Chargers. Add in the Raiders and KC losses and I'm starting to understand why some things got broken around here this year.

I still don't get the firing of Shanahan this year though. If we were going to fire him, the ammunition was there after that gutless performance with the playoffs on the line in '06 against the 49ers--things certainly looked much bleaker then than they do now personnel-and-draft-wise. There would hardly have been the outcry in opposition to the move that there is now.

At this point after the draft last year and keeping the team competitive despite all the injuries I felt like Shanahan was back on the rise. It's really going to take me a long time to accept this unless a huge name that I'm already comfortable with (Cowher) comes in immediately behind him.

Medford Bronco
12-31-2008, 12:31 PM
I have to say Northman reading this again you did a wonderful job and spelled it out perfectly. I :salute: you for this.

Northman
12-31-2008, 12:42 PM
I have to say Northman reading this again you did a wonderful job and spelled it out perfectly. I :salute: you for this.

Thanks man. It kind of looks like a history lesson (which it wasnt meant to be) but i think it was important for people to kind of keep a perspective on everything that has transpired with this team.

SR
12-31-2008, 12:48 PM
Good piece brother. I agree. Granted, you've been a Bronco fan longer than I've been alive (born in '84), but I can still appreciate the devotion and the relevance of Mike Shanahan. The guy is a world class coach. Any team owner would love to have him as their head coach. What he did for Denver won't be forgotten by those of us that realize what he did for the city and for our football team. I wanted to see him gone. I didn't want to see him because I didn't like him, but just because we needed a change.

Broncolingus
12-31-2008, 12:56 PM
GP North...

I give Bowl-in (and agree with him) credit on this move...it was necessary and right.

Shanny's accomplishments speak for themselves and he'll always have a special place in the hearts of Denver fans...

Obviously, most of us wish his departure could have been under less 'severe' circumstances...

Dean
12-31-2008, 06:40 PM
How can an owner fire an experienced and successful coach, any coach, and not have a quality replacement either in mind or better yet lined up to sign?

NightTrainLayne
12-31-2008, 07:02 PM
How can an owner fire an experience and successful coach, any coach, and not have a quality replacement either in mind or better yet lined up to sign?

I'm sure he has folks "in mind". However, the NFL doesn't exactly just let you go hire whoever you want. You have to interview minorities, and get permission from other teams etc. Plus you can't jeapordize everyone else's livelihood by blasting their name out in the press. . . .if you don't hire them, their relationship with their current owner might be damaged.

Shazam!
12-31-2008, 07:25 PM
How can an owner fire an experience and successful coach, any coach, and not have a quality replacement either in mind or better yet lined up to sign?

If the Broncos went even worse than 8-8 next year you'd probably say the same thing.

He's a businessman. He has people in mind but won't give a clue so early.

Dean
12-31-2008, 10:27 PM
If the Broncos went even worse than 8-8 next year you'd probably say the same thing.

It appears that you are clueless about me.


He's a businessman. He has people in mind but won't give a clue so early.

What he said and the impression during the interview did not give me the impression of someone who had the whole thing worked out. Did you see the interview? Where in the interview does what he said, his body language, or other nonverbal clues lead you to believe he has the successor worked out? Because I didn't see any of that.

Or, do you see Mr. Bowlen as an accomplishes liar? :confused:

Shazam!
01-01-2009, 01:58 AM
I didn't say 'He had the whole thing worked out' or anything even close. To think he doesn't have a small list in his mind of candidates is foolish. Unless there is a surprise in mind, I am sure the next Broncos Coach has been mentioned on this Board already in the last 36 hours.

Dean
01-01-2009, 07:37 PM
In my mind, firing Shanahan without a very concrete plan is ludicrous.

Slick
01-01-2009, 07:44 PM
In my mind, firing Shanahan without a very concrete plan is ludicrous.

I agree. Bowlen looked older than Methuselah during that presser. Obviously he struggled with that decision. I'd like to think he has a plan, at least I certainly hope so.

I think you should interview. I'll be your agent, and I'll only take 10%.

yardog
01-01-2009, 07:52 PM
I agree. Bowlen looked older than Methuselah during that presser. Obviously he struggled with that decision. I'd like to think he has a plan, at least I certainly hope so.

I think you should interview. I'll be your agent, and I'll only take 10%.

After the presser I felt like we here on this board put more thought into the Broncos than Bowlen. If this was not a knee jerk reaction as he said. How could you not have thought about who was going to replace the GM and Coach of your football team? :tsk:

Slick
01-01-2009, 07:56 PM
After the presser I felt like we here on this board put more thought into the Broncos than Bowlen. If this was not a knee jerk reaction as he said. How could you not have thought about who was going to replace the GM and Coach of your football team? :tsk:

I kind of feel that way too Yard. I'll reserve judgment until we find out what happens.

Shazam!
01-01-2009, 11:58 PM
Bowlen looked older than Methuselah during that presser...

I think the last time I saw Pat Bowlen was during Elway's retirement.

Dean
01-02-2009, 07:51 AM
After the presser I felt like we here on this board put more thought into the Broncos than Bowlen. If this was not a knee jerk reaction as he said. How could you not have thought about who was going to replace the GM and Coach of your football team? :tsk:

His press conference left me with the same feeling as Pat's introduction of Zimmerman into the Hall of Fame except Bowlen appeared to be sober at the press conference.

If you don't know what I am talking about Google Zimmerman Hall of Fame introduction speech.

When Pat fired Reeves do you believe he had Wade Phillips in mind to take over? I don't.

dogfish
01-02-2009, 07:52 AM
How can an owner fire an experienced and successful coach, any coach, and not have a quality replacement either in mind or better yet lined up to sign?


dean, i think a better question might be "how CAN an owner fire an experienced and successful coach, and have a quality replacement lined up to sign?"

what's in his mind at this moment we may never know for positive sure, but as far as actually having someone lined up. . . well, the rules regarding tampering would mitigate against that, i believe. . . as far as proven coaches who are out there, available to be interviewed at this moment, cowher and schottenheimer would be about it i think. . . for most of the other top candidates, we have to either wait for them to get through the playoffs (or at least get permission to interview them during their bye week-- like spagnuolo), or wait for them to be fired/finish their current deal (parcells, holmgren). . .

it would seem to me that this process is pretty typical of the business world in general-- a person gets fired because of their failure to perform their duties up to management's expectations, rather than because management has found someone they like better-- and the firing triggers a search for the replacement. . . although, the speed with which we have started lining up interviews suggests to me that bowlen did indeed have some candidates in mind and an idea of what direction he wants to take. . .

we'll see, but he has hardly been in the habit of firing coaches impulsively over his tenure as team owner-- the last time he did it he got exceptional results from his hire-- until proven otherwise, i myself will have high expectations for the process this time around. . . pat bowlen is a pretty darn shrewd businessman, as well as a committed owner. . . JMO. . .

Dean
01-02-2009, 11:59 AM
dean, i think a better question might be "how CAN an owner fire an experienced and successful coach, and have a quality replacement lined up to sign?"

what's on his mind at this moment we may never know for sure, but as far as actually having xomeone lined up. . well, the rules regarding tampering would mitigate that, I believe

IMO these unofficial contacts are made all the time. Unless a contract is offered who is to know. Would the person offering the job tell? Would the person being offered the position commit career suicide by telling?


. . . as far as proven coaches who are out there, available to be interviewed at this moment, cowher

It is my understanding that Cowher has stated to several sources that he is not coaching anywhere next year.


and schottenheimer would be about it i think. . . for most of the other top candidates, we have to either wait for them to get through the playoffs (or at least get permission to interview them during their bye week-- like spagnuolo), or wait for them to be fired/finish their current deal (parcells, holmgren). . .

Pat Bowlen at the press conference, I believe, said that the next coach would not get both the coaching and personnel decissions. That would IMO preclude both Parcells and Holmgren as well as Cowher to a lesser degree.


it would seem to me that this process is pretty typical of the business world in general-- a person gets fired because of their failure to perform their duties up to management's expectations, rather than because management has found someone they like better-- and the firing triggers a search for the replacement. . . although, the speed with which we have started lining up interviews suggests to me that bowlen did indeed have some candidates in mind and an idea of what direction he wants to take. . .

we'll see, but he has hardly been in the habit of firing coaches impulsively over his tenure as team owner-- the last time he did it he got exceptional results from his hire-- until proven otherwise, i myself will have high expectations for the process this time around. . . pat bowlen is a pretty darn shrewd businessman, as well as a committed owner. . . JMO. . .

. . . and the above is just my opinion.