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Medford Bronco
12-28-2008, 10:57 PM
I have never seen guys miss so many tackles.

we have not been the same since Al Wilson got hurt 2 years ago.

I would bascially cut 80% of that defense and start over.

boy are they pathetic right now. :tsk:

and Shanny please get rid of this small fast defense it dont work.
It never has, we won the Super Bowl becuase of a great offense and
an okay defense that actually could cause a turnover, not like this pathetic unit.

Medford Bronco
12-28-2008, 11:44 PM
I wish some would chime in on this.

Our LBs were putrid tonight

CoachChaz
12-28-2008, 11:46 PM
I was texting MB earlier and we said the same thing. Webster was horrible, Winborn plain sux and DJ looked stupid and pathetic tonight. I'd keep DJ around, but as a compliment to a stud in the middle. He's just not ready to carry the load or wear the C

Medford Bronco
12-28-2008, 11:47 PM
I was texting MB earlier and we said the same thing. Webster was horrible, Winborn plain sux and DJ looked stupid and pathetic tonight. I'd keep DJ around, but as a compliment to a stud in the middle. He's just not ready to carry the load or wear the C

coach what would Denver need to do in the offseason to convert to a real 3-4?

They Need much more size at LB i would think?

Tom Nalen
12-28-2008, 11:51 PM
Need a better MLB...and I do not know why the linebackers always play so far oof teh line of scrimmage...that is horrible playcalling...we need Dick Lebeaugh(sp)

Italianmobstr7
12-29-2008, 12:16 AM
We honestly need to get Woodyard on the field. He was being a team leader and everything. We need to get a guy who knows what the hell is going on out there. A Ray Lewis type, or a safety like Ed Reed, Bob Sanders, or Troy Polamalu. We need an honest, vocal leader out there who knows how to put people in the places they need to be.

DenverBronkHoes
12-29-2008, 12:17 AM
dont even know how Webster starts in this league....

BeefStew25
12-29-2008, 12:18 AM
We need to unload DJ. Sorry. He sucks.

Dreadnought
12-29-2008, 12:22 AM
We need to unload DJ. Sorry. He sucks.

I agree - lets face facts - this Emporer ain't wearing a thing. We've kind of clung to the idea that at least DJ among our LB's could play, but I don't think so anymore. DJ is rock stupid, overrated, and way overpaid

Medford Bronco
12-29-2008, 12:23 AM
We need to unload DJ. Sorry. He sucks.

and we could have had Steven Jackson that year as well:tsk:

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12-29-2008, 12:27 AM
I have never seen guys miss so many tackles.

we have not been the same since Al Wilson got hurt 2 years ago.

I would bascially cut 80% of that defense and start over.

boy are they pathetic right now. :tsk:

and Shanny please get rid of this small fast defense it dont work.
It never has, we won the Super Bowl becuase of a great offense and
an okay defense that actually could cause a turnover, not like this pathetic unit.

I specifically watched Webster in one of Sproles' long runs, where he ran
up and looked upfield while Sproles ran right by him . . . I mean right there
just past him! For the life of me, I could not figure what Webster was
looking at. The thought hit me: When Lepsis got religion, did he pass all his
uppers on to Webster?

That was just one incident among several where Webster flat outran the
play, and yet others where he badly missed tackles when he was there.

Webster...has...got...to...go. :mad:

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lex
12-29-2008, 12:31 AM
Keep anyone who is young, cheap, and has shown any kind of promise. Get rid of everyone else. Trade DJ, trade Champ, and trade Elvis. And then we can cut Dre Bly. But most of all, bring in a new DC. Miami rebuilt their defense in one offseason. It can be done.

lex
12-29-2008, 12:32 AM
I agree - lets face facts - this Emporer ain't wearing a thing. We've kind of clung to the idea that at least DJ among our LB's could play, but I don't think so anymore. DJ is rock stupid, overrated, and way overpaid

Plus, we have Woodyard.

ikillz0mbies
12-29-2008, 12:37 AM
I'm all for trading DJ away for a pick or anything to help improve this defense. Woodyard is waiting in the wings and he has much more potential and cheaper. I don't think losing DJ would make this team any worse than it is. I mean, when Woodyard was starting, the defense played better (also having Larsen in there too), but not by much. Trade DJ now while he still has some value. As for trading away Champ, I'm on the fence on that one. He has been playing injured the entire season which has led to the sub-par performances, but that also shows that with age comes the wear and tear.

If the price is right for Champ, such as a 1st round pick, I'll be for it. But I'd rather move Bly first then trade Champ because who would play the corners? Same goes with Dumervil. Trade him to a team that needs that situational pass rusher because the Broncos need a 3 down lineman.

Superchop 7
12-29-2008, 12:37 AM
The answer is Arron Curry.

Please remember that I got kicked off "Broncos Country" for telling the truth about our linebackers" (in August)

Tonight, I was called out again....

If you guys can't handle the truth....

Check my record for truth.

LordTrychon
12-29-2008, 12:40 AM
:laugh: :laugh:

DenverBronkHoes
12-29-2008, 12:53 AM
Keep anyone who is young, cheap, and has shown any kind of promise. Get rid of everyone else. Trade DJ, trade Champ, and trade Elvis. And then we can cut Dre Bly. But most of all, bring in a new DC. Miami rebuilt their defense in one offseason. It can be done.

hey nobody freakin touches DUMERVIL... NOBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

broncofaninfla
12-29-2008, 10:16 AM
The LB's stunk it up last night, no doubt about it. DJ and Webster seemed to be fighting over who sucked more. Winborn, Larsen and Woodyard have been our most effective LB's this season.

Dreadnought
12-29-2008, 10:46 AM
The LB's stunk it up last night, no doubt about it. DJ and Webster seemed to be fighting over who sucked more. Winborn, Larsen and Woodyard have been our most effective LB's this season.

In Webster's case there was no noticable dropoff from his usual performance. Its what I've come to expect. DJ was totally putrid, and thats more unusual.

Rex
12-29-2008, 10:56 AM
I have never seen guys miss so many tackles.

we have not been the same since Al Wilson got hurt 2 years ago.

I would bascially cut 80% of that defense and start over.

boy are they pathetic right now. :tsk:

and Shanny please get rid of this small fast defense it dont work.
It never has, we won the Super Bowl becuase of a great offense and
an okay defense that actually could cause a turnover, not like this pathetic unit.

Understatement of the Year.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-29-2008, 10:57 AM
CSWIL just laid down the sledgehammer.

Rex
12-29-2008, 10:57 AM
In Webster's case there was no noticable dropoff from his usual performance. Its what I've come to expect. DJ was totally putrid, and thats more unusual.

DJ is over rated. Period.

He is outplayed by an undrafted rookie FA that weighs 200 lbs.

jrelway
12-29-2008, 10:59 AM
we have LB'ers on this team? id never thought id say this but we need to trade champ for some much needed picks this year. a complete overhaul is needed. what a waste of talent champ is on this team.

jrelway
12-29-2008, 11:00 AM
hey nobody freakin touches DUMERVIL... NOBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we need real D linesmen..im sick of this situational pass rusher bullshit.

Rex
12-29-2008, 11:04 AM
we need real D linesmen..im sick of this situational pass rusher bullshit.

Dont situational "Pass Rush Specialists" get a sack from time to time? I guess those superior pass rush skills make him over pursue every running play like Jared Allen on Meth.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-29-2008, 11:05 AM
DJ is over rated. Period.

He's always been a great athlete, but a mental midget. Before his injury, he was the NFL's leading tackler and Pro-Bowl bound -- so I'm not sure exactly what to think. *shrug* Good player, never will be great.

NameUsedBefore
12-29-2008, 11:10 AM
The lack of leadership hurts.

Al Wilson was a crummy tackler but he knew what the **** he was doing and he made sure others did too (his ability to consistently stuff gaps, regardless of tackling ability, was of course a bonus). That kind of intangible is very underrated IMO. It's hard to find a great defense that also doesn't have a set of leaders that really stand out. Hell, the Patriots got to the Superbowl on intangibles alone that one year when they had Troy freakin' Brown playing corner. Remembering that makes this defense even more embarrassing.

Dreadnought
12-29-2008, 11:12 AM
He's always been a great athlete, but a mental midget. Before his injury, he was the NFL's leading tackler and Pro-Bowl bound -- so I'm not sure exactly what to think. *shrug* Good player, never will be great.

Well I suspect anybody playing next to Nate Webster will get his own tackles and a good share of the ones Nate should have made as well. Making tackles after a 7 yard run pumps up the stats but doesn't make him a top flight LB.

Notice with our Run D the huge number of long gains given up. This tells me that the DT's were often doing their job - often clogging running lanes and forcing one yard gains - and the LB's and safeties totally failing theirs, which would be to stop stuff that did get past the D-Line. Most of the blame goes to Webster, Manual, Lowery, and McCree, but DJ and Winborn aren't immune either.

Requiem / The Dagda
12-29-2008, 11:29 AM
No, the defensive tackles weren't doing their jobs. (I'm not sure how you can justify that?) Nobody on defense did their jobs. While Nate Webster may be bad, to go out and say D.J. Williams had the tackles he did because of the short comings of others isn't a good or real smart argument against him. But, this isn't an interesting conversation to have. I've already stated my mind on the Mental Midget.

Traveler
12-29-2008, 11:38 AM
Well I suspect anybody playing next to Nate Webster will get his own tackles and a good share of the ones Nate should have made as well. Making tackles after a 7 yard run pumps up the stats but doesn't make him a top flight LB.

One needs to look no further than Webster's so-called attempt to tackle Manumaleuna. He went high for a kill shot and bounced right off him. No attempt to wrap up. Nothing! I would have chewed his ass out in front of everyone on the sidelines and benched him for the remainder of the game.

Champ had more tackles and he played hurt.


Notice with our Run D the huge number of long gains given up. This tells me that the DT's were often doing their job - often clogging running lanes and forcing one yard gains - and the LB's and safeties totally failing theirs, which would be to stop stuff that did get past the D-Line.

I personally think we are misusing our DT's. Both Thomas and Robertson are the type tackles that should be turned loose to penetrate the opponents backfield. Instead, they are asked to clog running lanes. The few times Marcus was noticable this season was when he was attacking his gap. Same goes for Robertson. He makes sacks with the Jets but barely registers on the radar since coming here.



Most of the blame goes to Webster, Manual, Lowery, and McCree, but DJ and Winborn aren't immune either.

Shanahan's exit evaualtion for our LB's (excluding DJ, Larsen, and Woodyard) should be "Let the door hit you where the Good Lord split you!" Your services are no longer required.

That should also apply to the entire defensive staff, special teams staff, and trainers.

jrelway
12-29-2008, 11:38 AM
these LBers doesnt know what contain is. we should know by now that ladanian and sproles like to run to the outside.

muse
12-29-2008, 11:48 AM
Notice with our Run D the huge number of long gains given up. This tells me that the DT's were often doing their job - often clogging running lanes and forcing one yard gains - and the LB's and safeties totally failing theirs, which would be to stop stuff that did get past the D-Line. Most of the blame goes to Webster, Manual, Lowery, and McCree, but DJ and Winborn aren't immune either.

Most of the long runs have come off of cutbacks. Now considering that we're one of the best cutback teams in the league, you would've thought the D would've been able to defend it. Unfortunately not. We get burned because a) 8 men clutter the box and b) it hasn't occurred to anyone to keep someone trailing on the backside. It's happened so often this season and everyone knows when it's coming because you see 58 running as fast as his legs can carry him to the other side of the field and thus out of the play when the guy makes his cut.

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12-29-2008, 12:03 PM
Well I suspect anybody playing next to Nate Webster will get his own tackles and a good share of the ones Nate should have made as well. Making tackles after a 7 yard run pumps up the stats but doesn't make him a top flight LB.

Notice with our Run D the huge number of long gains given up. This tells me that the DT's were often doing their job - often clogging running lanes and forcing one yard gains - and the LB's and safeties totally failing theirs, which would be to stop stuff that did get past the D-Line. Most of the blame goes to Webster, Manual, Lowery, and McCree, but DJ and Winborn aren't immune either.

Well, it makes me wonder just how well recovered from his injury D.J. was,
Dread. In fact, I don't think even Champ was anywhere near 100% because
he was uncharacteristically beaten several times. That's not Champ, and
that's not D.J. So, if the best two players were subpar, it makes sense that
the rest of the defense would be, and that is something that could not
happen against a such a powerful offensive team as San Diego's without dire
consequences, as we saw.

D.J. and Champ will have time to recover now, and the team will have time to
draft or sign some decent defensive players. I just hope they do . . .

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Dreadnought
12-29-2008, 12:09 PM
Well, it makes me wonder just how well recovered from his injury D.J. was,
Dread. In fact, I don't think even Champ was anywhere near 100% because
he was uncharacteristically beaten several times. That's not Champ, and
that's not D.J. So, if the best two players were subpar, it makes sense that
the rest of the defense would be, and that is something that could not
happen against a such a powerful offensive team as San Diego's without dire
consequences, as we saw.

D.J. and Champ will have time to recover now, and the team will have time to
draft or sign some decent defensive players. I just hope they do . . .

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The depressing thing is that SD hasn't been able to run on anybody all year. Except against us. JaMarcus Russel only missed on one pass against us. Tyler Thigpen and his boys hug 30+ on this sorry group. Ditto the Bills.

broncofaninfla
12-29-2008, 12:14 PM
The depressing thing is that SD hasn't been able to run on anybody all year. Except against us. JaMarcus Russel only missed on one pass against us. Tyler Thigpen and his boys hug 30+ on this sorry group. Ditto the Bills.

And Shanny says Slowick is coming back next year.............makes my blood boil

Buff
12-29-2008, 12:23 PM
I particularly liked it last night when Webster hit Tomlinson 2 yards deep in the end zone (after lining up 4-5 yards deep pre-snap)... And then had the gall to berate the official for calling a clear touchdown... If that isn't symbolic of Nate Webster's career, I don't know what is-- Dude is all bark and no bite. Always a day late and a dollar short. The cliches go on and on.

As far as DJ goes-- I think he was more hurt than we knew. He was clearly the best athlete on the field in the preseason... He'll never be the most cerebral guy on the field, but at least he can fly around and make plays when he's healthy. He's the least of my concerns.

G_Money
12-29-2008, 12:24 PM
Paying DJ all that money was silly.

Will is the easiest LB spot to fill. We filled it fine with an undrafted free agent, after all, and even if you thought Woodyard should have been a mid or even high round draftpick, as I did, the fact remains that we got a Will in the first round who has never been spectacular. He’s been competent with lots of tackles.

And now we’re paying him 30 million dollars.

I guess I don’t understand why we extended him before the year really started. Were we really worried about losing him on the FA market? I know we did it to reward a loyal soldier and take away a potential distraction, but it sure seems to have backfired.

Our defense is dysfunctional. Our DTs sometimes do their jobs, but can’t rely on the LBs to fill the gaps and so get frustrated with giving all that effort for nothing and stop trying. Our DEs can’t hold an edge in the run game which forces our OLBs to over-commit to that side and sell out on the edge, leaving cutback lanes – that then are not filled by either the MLB or the safeties. Our non-QB-Pressuring DL hangs our corners out to dry, and our safeties do the same to both the corners and the LBs, as they are unable to stop the run or the pass.

Defense is a team sport. There are exceedingly few defenders who can stop teams all by themselves. Even Reggie White couldn’t do that.

If you’re a great run-stopper but the rest of the team sucks, we’ll just run away from you. If you’re a great corner but the other guy sucks we’ll just pick on him all day. If your LBs overpursue, we’ll run cutbacks and reverses on them til their knees fall off.

Defense is about gap control and responsibilities – and UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE OFFENSE IS DOING. The reason our D got (marginally) better when Larsen and Woodyard were in there was because they still overpursued…but not as much. They reacted faster to the ball. They tackled. They maintained their gaps (as they did in special teams).

They played smart.

We have a lot of dumb, finger-pointing defensive players.

Let’s pretend Bill Parcells becomes a free-agent next year and comes in here to clean house.

Who on defense does he keep? Knowing Bill and how he savages rosters to clear off the whiny deadweight, who stays?

I wouldn’t guarantee anyone beyond Champ, Woodyard and Larsen. They all play ball the way Parcells thinks defense should be played: with heart, fire, intelligence and determination. Larsen and Woodyard might not start, but he’d love em.

Barrett’s timid, and Parcells would try to toughen him up or break him.

Thomas is probably JAG to Parcells.

And everybody else, DJ included, is grist for the mill.

Parcells would hate Webster and fire him on the spot, but he wouldn’t feel especially good about DJ’s stupidity.

We’re in a pickle. Our defensive scheme breeds timidity and confusion, as well as impotence.

Guys are starting to snap. LBs are not our only problem, nor even our most pressing one.

But unfortunately, what used to be a strength of this team is right now just another weakness.

We’ve got a lot of those.

~G

GEM
12-29-2008, 12:27 PM
We honestly need to get Woodyard on the field. He was being a team leader and everything. We need to get a guy who knows what the hell is going on out there. A Ray Lewis type, or a safety like Ed Reed, Bob Sanders, or Troy Polamalu. We need an honest, vocal leader out there who knows how to put people in the places they need to be.

My dad and I were talking about this last night. Sad to say and I might get toasted for it....we need it on both sides of the ball. We don't have any vocal mfer's on this team. No Drew Brees to get anyone fired up, no Al Wilson to tell you when you aren't doing your job. No John Elway to put a team on his back when the ish gets rough. We have a bunch of lame ass followers but no one to lead the flock of idiots.

Plain, simple and that's how I feel.

broncofaninfla
12-29-2008, 12:32 PM
My dad and I were talking about this last night. Sad to say and I might get toasted for it....we need it on both sides of the ball. We don't have any vocal mfer's on this team. No Drew Brees to get anyone fired up, no Al Wilson to tell you when you aren't doing your job. No John Elway to put a team on his back when the ish gets rough. We have a bunch of lame ass followers but no one to lead the flock of idiots.

Plain, simple and that's how I feel.


Amen!

eessydo
12-29-2008, 12:34 PM
I agree - lets face facts - this Emporer ain't wearing a thing. We've kind of clung to the idea that at least DJ among our LB's could play, but I don't think so anymore. DJ is rock stupid, overrated, and way overpaid

To provide evidence to support this point, not sure when the play occurred but Hester came out of the backfield faked the block on DJ and then went out on a route to that weak side. DJ just let him slip out there wide open for the catch for 17 yards.

I also saw him, while running him down, playing with one of his stupid little elbow pads and barely made it across for the tackle.

Wasted pick. He has just regressed.

G_Money
12-29-2008, 01:43 PM
My dad and I were talking about this last night. Sad to say and I might get toasted for it....we need it on both sides of the ball. We don't have any vocal mfer's on this team. No Drew Brees to get anyone fired up, no Al Wilson to tell you when you aren't doing your job. No John Elway to put a team on his back when the ish gets rough. We have a bunch of lame ass followers but no one to lead the flock of idiots.

Plain, simple and that's how I feel.

Zactly.

The locker room leader on offense? Daniel Graham.

On D? Um...

Champ doesn't talk much, DJ's a moron who couldn't lead an ant to a sandwich, and our safeties should be taken out back and shot if they even open their mouths in the locker room.

The defacto leader of the D this year was Bly.

Bly and Graham cannot be your leaders if you plan to win championships. No Wilson/Lynch/Romo/Atwater/Sharpe/Smith/etc really hurt us this year.

One of those guys might have had the pull to put an end to the ridiculous incompetent running the defense, too.

~G

GEM
12-29-2008, 02:01 PM
Zactly.

The locker room leader on offense? Daniel Graham.

On D? Um...

Champ doesn't talk much, DJ's a moron who couldn't lead an ant to a sandwich, and our safeties should be taken out back and shot if they even open their mouths in the locker room.

The defacto leader of the D this year was Bly.

Bly and Graham cannot be your leaders if you plan to win championships. No Wilson/Lynch/Romo/Atwater/Sharpe/Smith/etc really hurt us this year.

One of those guys might have had the pull to put an end to the ridiculous incompetent running the defense, too.

~G

And no coach with the balls to look these idiots in the eyes and tell them....This is your job, not your right. If you don't play to my expectations, you're gone. Screw the cap, screw your contract. Put up or take a walk.

And no owner to put the coach in his place and say the exact same thing to him as he should say to his players. You don't give a coach free reign after seeing for seasons on end that some of what the coach is doing is doing your business harm.

Angry right now. :tsk:

If any of us performed at our jobs like the guys on this team performed last night, we would have pink slips this morning. It should be no different for these overpaid morons who in most likelihood wouldn't have a high paying job if it weren't for athletic ability.

Medford Bronco
12-29-2008, 02:03 PM
Zactly.

DJ's a moron who couldn't lead an ant to a sandwich
~G

lol and this is supposed to be our best LBer

that is sad :tsk:

lewik
12-29-2008, 02:12 PM
Great post, g money. I give DJ a bit more props than what you do, but overall you really summed things up... which is pretty sombering :tsk::tsk:

On the upside of things, drafting 12th positions us nicely for grabbing a quality MLB in Maualuga, Spikes or Laurinaitis.

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12-29-2008, 02:23 PM
The depressing thing is that SD hasn't been able to run on anybody all year. Except against us. JaMarcus Russel only missed on one pass against us. Tyler Thigpen and his boys hug 30+ on this sorry group. Ditto the Bills.

I kept thinking, where are Larsen and Woodyard (at SS)?

They could not have done any worse that Webster and Manuel. :tsk:

At least they both can tackle . . .

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G_Money
12-29-2008, 02:33 PM
Larsen was out for the year when he injured his groin.

Webster didn’t have to play, but Larsen wasn’t able to either.

Woodyard…I dunno man. If they’re not gonna play him at SS and he’s just gonna be DJ’s backup for the next year or two until he hits the FA market that seems like a waste of resources.

~G

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12-29-2008, 02:36 PM
Larsen was out for the year when he injured his groin.

Webster didn’t have to play, but Larsen wasn’t able to either.

Woodyard…I dunno man. If they’re not gonna play him at SS and he’s just gonna be DJ’s backup for the next year or two until he hits the FA market that seems like a waste of resources.

~G

Larsen was activated for the game. At fullback . . .

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broncofaninfla
12-29-2008, 02:38 PM
Larsen was out for the year when he injured his groin.

Webster didn’t have to play, but Larsen wasn’t able to either.

Woodyard…I dunno man. If they’re not gonna play him at SS and he’s just gonna be DJ’s backup for the next year or two until he hits the FA market that seems like a waste of resources.

~G


Larsen played on ST last night. Even hurt, Larsen would have been better at clogging up the middle than Webster. I also noticed they put Haggan in at MLB but he sucked too.

G_Money
12-29-2008, 02:41 PM
And no coach with the balls to look these idiots in the eyes and tell them....This is your job, not your right. If you don't play to my expectations, you're gone. Screw the cap, screw your contract. Put up or take a walk.

And no owner to put the coach in his place and say the exact same thing to him as he should say to his players. You don't give a coach free reign after seeing for seasons on end that some of what the coach is doing is doing your business harm.

Angry right now. :tsk:

If any of us performed at our jobs like the guys on this team performed last night, we would have pink slips this morning. It should be no different for these overpaid morons who in most likelihood wouldn't have a high paying job if it weren't for athletic ability.


This is what makes me grind my teeth. We have totally incompetent players, but who brought them here? Who asked for them? Who can’t cover up for them?

In an office if you have THIS many problems, it’s never just the lower employees, it’s the enviroment fostered by management that creates a lot of the issues. Is Slowik just some slimy middle-manager who blames his employees for his dismal performance? Shanahan has the film, and 3 decades of experience in seeing how to exploit terrible schemes.

He can’t really fall for that, can he?

Grr. :tsk:

We have to clean house to some extent on D. There are too many bad players – veteran players - who are getting starting jobs they don’t deserve.

But what good does that do if we leave the policy-makers and hiring managers intact?

~G

broncofaninfla
12-29-2008, 02:46 PM
This is what makes me grind my teeth. We have totally incompetent players, but who brought them here? Who asked for them? Who can’t cover up for them?

In an office if you have THIS many problems, it’s never just the lower employees, it’s the enviroment fostered by management that creates a lot of the issues. Is Slowik just some slimy middle-manager who blames his employees for his dismal performance? Shanahan has the film, and 3 decades of experience in seeing how to exploit terrible schemes.

He can’t really fall for that, can he?

Grr. :tsk:

We have to clean house to some extent on D. There are too many bad players – veteran players - who are getting starting jobs they don’t deserve.

But what good does that do if we leave the policy-makers and hiring managers intact?

~G

That leads me to this question. Who decides who starts on this team? I know the buck starts and stops with Shanny but how much input do the coordinators have? IMO injuries showed us we had more talent at some of the back up postions, especially on defense. Then there is the Larsen is a better FB thing. The best MLB on our team is a FB? I don't get it?

GEM
12-29-2008, 03:29 PM
This is what makes me grind my teeth. We have totally incompetent players, but who brought them here? Who asked for them? Who can’t cover up for them?

In an office if you have THIS many problems, it’s never just the lower employees, it’s the enviroment fostered by management that creates a lot of the issues. Is Slowik just some slimy middle-manager who blames his employees for his dismal performance? Shanahan has the film, and 3 decades of experience in seeing how to exploit terrible schemes.

He can’t really fall for that, can he?

Grr. :tsk:

We have to clean house to some extent on D. There are too many bad players – veteran players - who are getting starting jobs they don’t deserve.

But what good does that do if we leave the policy-makers and hiring managers intact?

~G


Our willingness to not only accept mediocrity, but to overpay for it amazes me. We're all just a small portion of the Broncos fans out there and we see it. Are we seeing something they aren't? Are they blind? Seriously.

Medford Bronco
12-29-2008, 04:23 PM
Our willingness to not only accept mediocrity, but to overpay for it amazes me. We're all just a small portion of the Broncos fans out there and we see it. Are we seeing something they aren't? Are they blind? Seriously.

Amen someone should pay and the whole defense except for a select few should be cut.

I would rather suffer next season trying to put in a real scheme and be better in 2010 than trying to patch up this band aid year after year. :mad:

WARHORSE
12-29-2008, 09:21 PM
dj aint going anywhere............except to the strong side.

Superchop 7
12-29-2008, 10:48 PM
dj aint going anywhere............except to the strong side.

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The answer is Curry at strongside, Larsen and Holtzclaw at MLB, Williams at weakside and WW at SS.

Just sayin......that is a strong as hell lineup.

Superchop 7
12-29-2008, 10:51 PM
On the ironic side of things, I got kicked off Broncos Country for my thread "Worst linebacking in the history of pro football" at the beginning of the season.

Thanks for the thread.......I needed that.

BroncosRockdaRockies
12-30-2008, 11:16 AM
I don't like talking about this guy but...............................



We need Bill Romanowski type linebackers! Give up their bodies instead of preserving them in case you get released. Bottom line you go out their and lay down some hits I guarantee you it would be job security! :frusty:

Max Power
12-30-2008, 03:47 PM
Josh Barrett played horrible too, he missed a bunch of tackles. It was like Calvin Lowry was back out there. I still like Barrett's potential to be good, but he has quite a bit to work on.

As bad as our LB's were, our safeties were even worse.

broncofaninfla
12-30-2008, 03:58 PM
Josh Barrett played horrible too, he missed a bunch of tackles. It was like Calvin Lowry was back out there. I still like Barrett's potential to be good, but he has quite a bit to work on.

As bad as our LB's were, our safeties were even worse.

I agree, Barrett looked horrible out there. Heck the whole defense stunk it up.

topscribe
12-30-2008, 04:27 PM
Josh Barrett played horrible too, he missed a bunch of tackles. It was like Calvin Lowry was back out there. I still like Barrett's potential to be good, but he has quite a bit to work on.

As bad as our LB's were, our safeties were even worse.

Well, at least we can say Barrett was a rookie.

Lowry was just plain bad . . .

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Hobe
12-30-2008, 08:05 PM
Is Slowik just some slimy middle-manager who blames his employees for his dismal performance? Shanahan has the film, and 3 decades of experience in seeing how to exploit terrible schemes.

He can’t really fall for that, can he?

~G

Ah...sound like he did. :rolleyes: