Von one dimensional?

[horsepig]

Allen pulled Von from the game for much of Sunday's game. The Chargers were exploiting the vacated space left by Miller's aggressive pass rushing style.

IMO, Miller needs to "take care of business" at home before he rushes headlong at the QB on every other down.

Miller is very good, but he is not yet Lawrence Taylor. He does not have the supporting cast to allow him to just speed rush every other down.

[sneakers]

He has only played 5 games in his professional career.

[silkamilkamonico]

He has only played 5 games in his professional career.

If he isn't Lawerence Taylor after playing only 5 games, we might as well cut his ass now.

[Canmore]

If he isn't Lawerence Taylor after playing only 5 games, we might as well cut his ass now.

I thought he was going to be Derrick Thomas. :D

[Timmy!]

eventually his head will catch up with his physical talent. just growing pains.

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[horsepig]

I thought he was going to be Derrick Thomas. :D

Sorry, I really meant to say Derrick (a much better player and person, IMO).

Bye the bye, how many remember Sharpe just getting Derrick's ass in a bumblefrick in KC? Derrick had something like 4 personal fouls in 5 plays against Sharpe. I think I remember Sharpe telling him he was ugly, but not as ugly as his momma. :bandit: :rofl:

[Canmore]

Sorry, I really meant to say Derrick (a much better player and person, IMO).

Bye the bye, how many remember Sharpe just getting Derrick's ass in a bumblefrick in KC? Derrick had something like 4 personal fouls in 5 plays against Sharpe. I think I remember Sharpe telling him he was ugly, but not as ugly as his momma. :bandit: :rofl:

I remember. It was really funny. We just marched down the field behind Sharpe.

[horsepig]

I don't know if anybody but PNBronco will remember Bubba Baker from CSU. Bubba was a ******* monster and was the 2'nd overall pick in about 1980 to the Lions. Bubba was true to his name and was one badassed DE.

Bubba was named defensive ROY.

The Lions played in MileHigh the next year. Bubba was a very nice guy, sa gentle giant type. The Lions DLmen at the time were old school hardass bust the play up at the line types. They got on Bubba's ass about being meaner and more aggressive.

So, Bubba lines up across ffrom Claudie Minor on Denver's first play from scrimmage and literally says to 300 pound Claudie, "You one dumb ass and you momma wears army boots!", and Claudie hit Bubba so ******* hard while he was jabbering that Bubba caught his big toe in the turf and big ole Claudie ran him over. Bubba broke his big toe and missed the rest of the season.

Bubba played football at CSU because JJ Wiliams agred to let him play power forward on the Rams' BB team. That's another story, ask Irv Brown about that one.

[pnbronco]

He has only played 5 games in his professional career.


With no mini camps or OTA's.

HP I was in school then and I kind of remember the name. Back then I really was not into sports. I was in school on a academic scholarship so I kept my nose in my books a lot and had to work as much as possible to pay for everything else. May explain why I use to get so much done.....:whoknows:

[BroncoStud]

Yep, he got benched yesterday... Was surprised to read it.

[MOtorboat]

The Chargers were running seam routes and delay routes on the strong side right at Miller. It was the delay routes that killed him. And Mays can't stay with tight ends, either. The Chargers found a weakness and exploited it. Kudos to Allen for recognizing it and adjusting at the half.

[horsepig]

Pn, I payed my own way through CSU. I partied too much and it took me 6 years to earn my BS :shots:

There were 2 other stud DL on that team, Mike Mularkey played for a dozen years for the Vikes and Mike (shit, I can't recall his last name) was the Chefs first round pick, ahead of Bubba. Mike got busted dealing Coke and using every banned substance available and actually went to prison before going to teh Chefs camp the next year. Surprisingly enough, he got cut.

Those guys played with Rick Dennison at CSU. Mike's brother played TE for the Seahawks for as few years.

[horsepig]

Pn, do you remember "Big Dog" Kelly Stouffer? Kelly was the 1'st pick in the 84 draft to KC. He held out and was traded to the Seahawks where he absolutely did not do shit.

Kelly is a good guy and is coaching his homeys back in the Neb. panhandle in Rushville, NE. (8 man)

Kelly was completely ignored by NU and even WYO before he landed at CSU. He lead CSU to 7 come from behind wins, one against hated WYO, and one at Folsom Field against CU.

It was kind of a fairy tale story, this big kid from the sandhills of NE became the #1 pick in the NFL draft. I really don't know why he never made it in the bigs. I really think injuries and just being a small town guy in the big city got to him. But, he was one Hell of a great college QB.

[Northman]

I think i remember hearing that Von was just a pass rush specialist and one of his weaknesses was against the run. But i dont remember for sure.

[TXBRONC]

Pn, do you remember "Big Dog" Kelly Stouffer? Kelly was the 1'st pick in the 84 draft to KC. He held out and was traded to the Seahawks where he absolutely did not do shit.

Kelly is a good guy and is coaching his homeys back in the Neb. panhandle in Rushville, NE. (8 man)

Kelly was completely ignored by NU and even WYO before he landed at CSU. He lead CSU to 7 come from behind wins, one against hated WYO, and one at Folsom Field against CU.

It was kind of a fairy tale story, this big kid from the sandhills of NE became the #1 pick in the NFL draft. I really don't know why he never made it in the bigs. I really think injuries and just being a small town guy in the big city got to him. But, he was one Hell of a great college QB.

I think Kelly Stouffer was the number one pick of the St. Louis Cardinals and refused sign with them because of either money issues of that fact they horrible. He got to play a little in Seattle and he just wasn't very good.

[vandammage13]

Von is a great pass rush specialist at this stage of his career...nothing more.

Hopefully he can develop into a complete linebacker, but even if he only develops into an average run stopper and cover guy, his elite pass rushing skills will make him worth the pick IMO.

[Nomad]

Sorry, I really meant to say Derrick (a much better player and person, IMO).

Bye the bye, how many remember Sharpe just getting Derrick's ass in a bumblefrick in KC? Derrick had something like 4 personal fouls in 5 plays against Sharpe. I think I remember Sharpe telling him he was ugly, but not as ugly as his momma. :bandit: :rofl:

Is that the game that got Thomas suspended? Or am I thinking of something else? Maybe KCL can answer this!

As far as Miller.... horsepig is right, sneakers is right and MOtorboat is right! I believe the media and fans build up these players before their time and most times don't meet expectations.

On Sunday, Miller was a one dimensional player who was getting burnt and not really doing his job as an OLB. He gets a pass because he is a rookie.

[AlWilsonizKING]

Bye the bye, how many remember Sharpe just getting Derrick's ass in a bumblefrick in KC? Derrick had something like 4 personal fouls in 5 plays against Sharpe. I think I remember Sharpe telling him he was ugly, but not as ugly as his momma. :bandit: :rofl:

I keep trying to find video of this so I can rewatch, but I can never seem to find any.


PEACE!!!

[I Eat Staples]

He'll always be best suited as a pass rusher, but he has the talent to be a complete player. Sure he's made some mistakes, but he looks as good as advertised so far. Rookies are always somewhat one dimensional because they have many areas that are still developing.

Also the point about his supporting cast was true. Von would completely dominate if we actually had a decent defensive line.

[CoachChaz]

Ehhh...he dominated in college without much help. Not that help now wouldnt benefit him, but I wouldnt use it as an excuse. He has the skills to defend the run and cover as well...I just dont see him being utilized that way very much so far. He makes his mistakes, but I'm pretty confident he'll develop into something quite special.

Like anything else...it takes time.

[MileHighCrew]

Von is young and a rookie, he will learn and become elite

[MOtorboat]

Ehhh...he dominated in college without much help. Not that help now wouldnt benefit him, but I wouldnt use it as an excuse. He has the skills to defend the run and cover as well...I just dont see him being utilized that way very much so far. He makes his mistakes, but I'm pretty confident he'll develop into something quite special.

Like anything else...it takes time.

Do you like what Allen did in this case, Coach? Would you have left him in there to take his lumps?

[Nomad]

Do you like what Allen did in this case, Coach? Would you have left him in there to take his lumps?

Yes, especially as a defensive player, you develop as you play and the coaches should be pointing out the mistakes.

[CoachChaz]

Do you like what Allen did in this case, Coach? Would you have left him in there to take his lumps?

Obviously, we dont have ALL the details, but if he pulled him to coach him up and get someone on the field better adapted to what was needed at the time, then yes...I like the move.

Kids need to be taught.

[Bullgator]

Miller will be one of the greatest at his position of all time IMO... sure fire HoF if he stays healthy... Fox said it was more due to keeping him fresh than his play... the D was out there a hell of a lot after all.

Hes young and if this is him playing bad as a rook I cant wait to see him as a seasoned head hunter.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

It is as some of us thought. He's used to playing 3-4 OLB or DE and isn't used to the responsibilities of a SAM 4-3 LB yet. He's got all the talent in the world to do so, it just takes time to learn a new position. Remember, there was a lockout, too.

Frankly, I didn't think Haggan did any better when he got in the game. He's just too slow to really cover enough ground to play in space.

[broncobryce]

He graded out very well in every other game vs the run. So no he is not one dimensional

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[Cugel]

Alfred Williams explained yesterday on 104.3 The Fan that Miller's sins were "looking into the backfield."

"He was just looking into the backfield. You've got to trust your keys and when you see a receiver blow past you like that and you're in man to man coverage you have to go with him. You saw the speed of Miller, he caught up to the guy from behind and stopped him from getting a TD, but you can't do that."

"That's a rookie mistake. You learn to trust your keys and not peak into the backfield so much."

I think that about covers it. He got burned on a couple of plays in coverage. Rookies tend to struggle in pass-coverage. In college he rushed the passer a lot.

That really why he projected as more of a pass-rushing OLB in a 3-4 than a SLB in a 4-3 because in the 4-3 he has to drop into coverage a lot more.

That's why MUG on the other site was panning this pick so much. Miller is NOT particularly good at coverage. If he never learns to excel at that he's going to be a draft bust -- because he won't have the impact he could have.

But, he can learn to become an all-round LB. It will just take some time. I did have a bad flashback to Mike Croel though for a moment there. :urg:

[Cugel]

Originally Posted by horsepig View Post
Bye the bye, how many remember Sharpe just getting Derrick's ass in a bumblefrick in KC? Derrick had something like 4 personal fouls in 5 plays against Sharpe. I think I remember Sharpe telling him he was ugly, but not as ugly as his momma.

Shannon might have been the best trash-talker in NFL history:

"Is it true that your momma still wraps her feet in tin-foil to keep them fresh?"

Remember his talking on the telephone "Mr. President, you need to declare a state of emergency. Call out the National Guard. The Patriots need help." :laugh:

[GEM]

Vic and Gary said he was despondent in the locker room after the game. Said he was just staring at the wall. I hope the lesson was well taken and Von uses it as a teaching moment, he gets it together and moves on.

[NightTerror218]

Von is a great pass rush specialist at this stage of his career...nothing more.

Hopefully he can develop into a complete linebacker, but even if he only develops into an average run stopper and cover guy, his elite pass rushing skills will make him worth the pick IMO.

he could be our version of Clay Mathews.

[OrangeHoof]

1. Many defensive players who play regularly as rookies get a condensed playbook the first year while they learn the game and learn the speed. I wouldn't judge Miller by his rookie output and I hope he doesn't either.

2. He played at Texas A&M which lost to teams like La. Tech and Baylor while he was there. He can't be one of those types that's never experienced losing before such as Tebow.

[sneakers]

I think Kelly Stouffer was the number one pick of the St. Louis Cardinals and refused sign with them because of either money issues of that fact they horrible. He got to play a little in Seattle and he just wasn't very good.

LOL I think I have a football card of him.

[WARHORSE]

I thought he was going to be Derrick Thomas. :D


Well, DT had 10 sacks in his first year.......and Miller is on pace for 16.......so he still has a chance. :D


Hes on pace to break the rookie record set by Javon Kearse.

[Benetto]

18 tackles
02 forced fumbles
05 sacks

In five games...I think we can take our fingers off the PANIC button for now.:coffee:

[Tned]

Vic and Gary said he was despondent in the locker room after the game. Said he was just staring at the wall. I hope the lesson was well taken and Von uses it as a teaching moment, he gets it together and moves on.

Yep, and it was them or someone else (I listened to several people yesterday) that said he said he was going to work hard, do whatever it takes not to let his team down again, or something like that.

I think it may have been Lindsay Jones on Brandon Spano's show last night that pointed ou the number of plays and 40 minutes the defense was on the field. Also Lindsay said that it was Dennis Allen sending him a message.

Everything I was hearing was people think he's going to be just fine and this shouldn't be taken as a long term indication of him not being a 3 down back or anything like that.

[Agent of Orange]

Von is a great pass rush specialist at this stage of his career...nothing more.

Hopefully he can develop into a complete linebacker, but even if he only develops into an average run stopper and cover guy, his elite pass rushing skills will make him worth the pick IMO.

This.

People talk about Tebow missing an offseason. The same can be said for Von. I was kind of happy to see his genuine disgust with his play after the game. I wish more of our players were like him in that way.

[Agent of Orange]

Vic and Gary said he was despondent in the locker room after the game. Said he was just staring at the wall. I hope the lesson was well taken and Von uses it as a teaching moment, he gets it together and moves on.

As I just said, they interviewed him after the game and he was thoroughly disgusted with himself. It's good to see it means that much to him. We need more guys like him.

[rcsodak]

Duh. That's why many were calling for a certain DT now with the resurgent Bills.

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[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

The kid's allowed to have one bad game....oh yeah, he had a sack. :D

[MOtorboat]

The kid's allowed to have one bad game....oh yeah, he had a sack. :D

Its not like he had a bad game, either. He got burned on a few plays and Allen decided to make it a teaching moment for the rookie.

A veteran most likely is left out there. The next time it happens, he's going to make someone pay.

[BroncoNut]

he could be our version of Clay Mathews.

Clay Matthews is hot! He can be my packer anytime

[Tned]

Duh. That's why many were calling for a certain DT now with the resurgent Bills.

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Ummm, what does one have to do with the other?

[Agent of Orange]

The kid's allowed to have one bad game....oh yeah, he had a sack. :D

Thats just it. Some guys would have been like, "hey, I had a sack...I did my job". He wasn't like that at all. It's ok if you and I point out that he got a sack but when you see him after the game, it was like he let everyone down.