WARHORSE
09-30-2011, 02:31 PM
If youre running an organization, you have to have a view of the big picture or youre going to flame out if youre even lucky enough to flame in the first place.
Orton is clearly.....CLEARLY.....not in the big picture. So the situation begs, "Why play Orton knowing that, especially when you dont know what you have in a touted first rounder sitting on the bench?"
Answer: The lockeroom.
Tim suffered in the offseason for sure, and in practice he looked bad while Orton 'outplayed' him in front of his teamates. So when you have a clean slate at the beginning of the season and everyone is full of hope for the year, and Kyle looks great in practice and Tim doesnt, you know the team is going to want to be behind Kyle as well. Think this makes its way back to the coaches?
Sure does.
Think about it. You CANT play Tim if the players and coaches can clearly see a big difference in play during training camp. If you do that, you risk losing the lockeroom if you lose.
Orton clearly outplays Tim in training camp, and everyone sees it. Come the first game of the season, coaches announce Tim as the starter.
As soon as that happens, the whispering starts. The players will at a minimum be entertaining the thoughts that the front office doesnt care about the players, because they arent trying to win now, theyre building for the future. Winning means JOBS for these players. Playoffs mean JOBS.
They will play hard initially, because its a new season and theres hope.
In this scenario, if the team starts losing with Tim at the helm, the lockeroom will stop caring. That translates to huge losses, and empty seats at Mile High, etc, etc. Bad times organizationally.
Now, if the team starts winning, then all will be forgiven, and the players will say, the team knows what it doing.
So you have to play Kyle, UNLESS you clearly believe Tim has shown you enough in practice that youre going to roll the dice with him. That clearly didnt happen, Tim suffered not being mentored more through the offseason. Lifting weights will not make you a QB, nor will simply running through drops.
Not only are the fans getting sick of watching the losing(see BILLBOARDS), but the players are too.
Champ Bailey is never going to say the wrong thing to the media. But do I believe he would rather have Orton right now than Tebow?
When youre a defensive player on the sidelines watching Kyle Ortonary go three and out........again......after you just busted your butt trying to get off the field, you better believe youre going to be on the 'give Tim a shot' bandwagon as well.
We are at this point imo.
It may be, that this is the game where Tebow comes in at the goaline. The coaches can do this without messing with the 'psyche' of the starter, because clearly, he hasnt gotten it done.
The players all know the rules when it comes to that. You play your starter and give him a shot. Ok. We have done that Kyle, and you blew it.
If Tim comes in and begins converting in goaline packages.....which he will.....and we still end up losing.....which is a probability at this point and time.......the window will be there to play Tim.
I believe it is then that the coaches will commit to at lease five or so starts to see if Tim gets better with some game reps. We will then get to see what Mr. Tebow has.
And the lockeroom will be behind it.
:coffee:
Orton is clearly.....CLEARLY.....not in the big picture. So the situation begs, "Why play Orton knowing that, especially when you dont know what you have in a touted first rounder sitting on the bench?"
Answer: The lockeroom.
Tim suffered in the offseason for sure, and in practice he looked bad while Orton 'outplayed' him in front of his teamates. So when you have a clean slate at the beginning of the season and everyone is full of hope for the year, and Kyle looks great in practice and Tim doesnt, you know the team is going to want to be behind Kyle as well. Think this makes its way back to the coaches?
Sure does.
Think about it. You CANT play Tim if the players and coaches can clearly see a big difference in play during training camp. If you do that, you risk losing the lockeroom if you lose.
Orton clearly outplays Tim in training camp, and everyone sees it. Come the first game of the season, coaches announce Tim as the starter.
As soon as that happens, the whispering starts. The players will at a minimum be entertaining the thoughts that the front office doesnt care about the players, because they arent trying to win now, theyre building for the future. Winning means JOBS for these players. Playoffs mean JOBS.
They will play hard initially, because its a new season and theres hope.
In this scenario, if the team starts losing with Tim at the helm, the lockeroom will stop caring. That translates to huge losses, and empty seats at Mile High, etc, etc. Bad times organizationally.
Now, if the team starts winning, then all will be forgiven, and the players will say, the team knows what it doing.
So you have to play Kyle, UNLESS you clearly believe Tim has shown you enough in practice that youre going to roll the dice with him. That clearly didnt happen, Tim suffered not being mentored more through the offseason. Lifting weights will not make you a QB, nor will simply running through drops.
Not only are the fans getting sick of watching the losing(see BILLBOARDS), but the players are too.
Champ Bailey is never going to say the wrong thing to the media. But do I believe he would rather have Orton right now than Tebow?
When youre a defensive player on the sidelines watching Kyle Ortonary go three and out........again......after you just busted your butt trying to get off the field, you better believe youre going to be on the 'give Tim a shot' bandwagon as well.
We are at this point imo.
It may be, that this is the game where Tebow comes in at the goaline. The coaches can do this without messing with the 'psyche' of the starter, because clearly, he hasnt gotten it done.
The players all know the rules when it comes to that. You play your starter and give him a shot. Ok. We have done that Kyle, and you blew it.
If Tim comes in and begins converting in goaline packages.....which he will.....and we still end up losing.....which is a probability at this point and time.......the window will be there to play Tim.
I believe it is then that the coaches will commit to at lease five or so starts to see if Tim gets better with some game reps. We will then get to see what Mr. Tebow has.
And the lockeroom will be behind it.
:coffee: