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Devilspawn
12-04-2008, 07:17 PM
Ball State backbone questioned
By Jason King, Yahoo!


A few days after Ball State finished the regular season with a 12-0 record, folks around the Mid-American Conference began referring to the Cardinals as one of the best teams in league history.

Hogwash.

Elite programs don’t cower in corners when faced with a challenge, which is exactly what Ball State did Wednesday when it declined an invitation to play Boise State in the Humanitarian Bowl.

The game would’ve been one of most intriguing matchups of the postseason. Both 12-0, the Broncos and Cardinals are the only two undefeated teams in college football that won’t be playing in a BCS Bowl.
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Yes, the Humanitarian Bowl is played on the Broncos’ home field in Boise, but that shouldn’t matter. The stadium would’ve been packed, television ratings would’ve been huge. Win or lose, the Cardinals would’ve received a level of exposure their program has never known.

Unfortunately, though, the game will never happen.

The Cardinals were too scared.

In some ways it wasn’t difficult to understand Ball State’s position. Coach Brady Hoke had plenty of legitimate reasons for wanting to steer clear of the Humanitarian Bowl.

With the economy in such turmoil, Hoke realizes that many Ball State fans would not make the 1,900-mile trek from Indiana to see the Cardinals play Boise State, which is just two years removed from its upset of Oklahoma in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl.

Even more daunting was that the Broncos are 35-3 in three seasons under Chris Peterson. Over the last 10 years they tout the best winning percentage in all of college football.

Simply playing Boise State is tough enough. Doing so on its home turf would’ve been an even taller task.

Still, the challenge – the opportunity – is one that most up-and-coming programs would welcome. Pat Hill’s “any-time-any-place” approach helped Fresno State earn a reputation as one of top non-BCS programs in college football. Even in their down years, the Bulldogs are admired for being fearless. People respect them.

Right now, not too many people respect Ball State.

Yes, the Cardinals are 12-0, and it’s true Ball State has one of the top three or four quarterbacks in college football in Nate Davis. But take a look at its schedule.

The Cardinals’ 12 opponents are a collective 54-88. Only three of them finished with a winning record. Ask any Ball State diehard, and they’ll tell you the team’s marquee victory came against in-state rival Indiana, which went 3-9.

The bottom line is that people still want to see if Ball State is for real. All season long, fans and notable alums have complained that media-types and voters haven’t given the Cardinals their due, but it’s tough to shower too much praise upon a program that displays such cowardice the one time they have a chance to face a quality opponent.

In trying to save face by avoiding a potential butt-kicking in Boise, Ball State actually made itself look worse. Humanitarian Bowl executive director Kevin McDonald called the situation “unfortunate for college football.”

Unfortunate? Try embarrassing. Not just for Ball State, but for the Mid-American Conference, too.

MAC Commissioner Rick Chryst should’ve done everything in his power to convince Ball State to accept the H-Bowl’s invitation. His failure to do so makes his league look small-time in comparison to non-BCS conferences such as Conference USA, the Western Athletic Conference and the Mountain West.

Also inexcusable was the comment Ball State athletic director Tom Collins made to the university’s student newspaper.

“I think it would be great for television,” Collins said, “but I’m not sure it’s fair to our student-athletes to ask them to go out and play on Boise State’s home field.”

Can’t help but wonder if the Cardinals appreciate their athletic director making them sound like wimps.

What Collins might not realize is that things could get even uglier for Ball State in the Motor City Bowl in Detroit, its likely destination this postseason. Although nothing has been made official, the feeling is that the Cardinals will face either North Carolina State or Notre Dame.

Let’s start with the North Carolina State. The Wolfpack is 6-6, but that record is deceiving, as Tom O’Brien’s squad won its last four games of the season after making a quarterback change. N.C. State will enter the Motor City Bowl high on confidence and swagger.

Think about it. If Ball State lost to Boise State on the Broncos’ home field, at least the Cardinals would’ve had an excuse. They still would’ve received credit for accepting the Humanitarian Bowl bid under such adverse circumstances, and their program would’ve continued to rise.

But a loss – especially a bad one – to a .500 North Carolina State team would validate all of the criticism and doubt that has hovered over Ball State all season.

Even if Ball State continues to win in the future, it will be tough to gain much respect outside of its own conference.

Then there’s Notre Dame. What good could come from playing the Fighting Irish? By doing so, Ball State runs the risk of losing to one of the most underachieving teams in Notre Dame history. Charlie Weis’ squad is so bad that its own fans threw snowballs at players following a Nov. 22 loss to lowly-Syracuse. A week later the Fighting Irish mustered just 91 yards against USC.

Ball State would be lampooned if they lost this game – and rightfully so.

Even if the Cardinals won, they wouldn’t receive much praise. The headlines the following morning would all be centered on the Fighting Irish’s dismal season. No one would care that Ball State won against a bad team. The situation would be a lose-lose for the Cardinals, a group of outstanding football players who deserve better.

Brady Hoke is a good football coach. He’s done wonders for a program that receives little help from Ball State’s administration. Hell, Hoke doesn’t even have his own office and, until a few years ago, earned less than the women’s basketball coach.

Still, all good coaches make mistakes, and Hoke and Ball State’s administration made a mammoth one Wednesday when they passed on invite to face Boise State in the Humanitarian Bowl.

This was Ball State’s chance to become a player, albeit a small one, in big-time college football. This was how the Cardinals could’ve forced people to begin mentioning them in the same breath with other non-BCS schools such as Fresno State, Boise State and Utah.

Instead, the best season in Ball State’s history will always be marked with an asterisk. As fondly as they’ll remember the games the Cardinals played, fans will also lament the one they didn’t.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=jn-ballst120408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

How can you be called Ball State when you have none? :confused:

frauschieze
12-04-2008, 07:19 PM
Ballless State :laugh:

OrangeHoof
12-04-2008, 08:43 PM
Even a close loss at Boise could have been spun as a program enhancement. It really is a puzzling decision.

Northman
12-04-2008, 09:08 PM
Cant help but root for any team who plays them to beat them. Cowards.

broncogirl7
12-04-2008, 10:10 PM
Would Texas want to play in Norman, Oklahoma for a bowl game?

Is any bowl game played with a team that has a home field advantage? NO!

It would've been a great match up, but I think Ball State made the only decision they could make.

Northman
12-04-2008, 10:14 PM
Would Texas want to play in Norman, Oklahoma for a bowl game?


Would they want too? I highly doubt it. Would they? I think so. Texas nor Oklahoma is afraid to play anyone anywhere. Wanting too really doesnt play a part of it. Certain bowls have been dominated by homestate teams for years (Boise, Hawaii, Georgia, Georgia Tech, etc). So its not about "wanting" too. Its about having the "guts" to do it.

broncogirl7
12-04-2008, 10:17 PM
Would they want too? I highly doubt it. Would they? I think so. Texas nor Oklahoma is afraid to play anyone anywhere. Wanting too really doesnt play a part of it. Certain bowls have been dominated by homestate teams for years (Boise, Hawaii, Georgia, Georgia Tech, etc). So its not about "wanting" too. Its about having the "guts" to do it.

If that be the case, then maybe Boise State should go to Indiana and play Ball State.

Northman
12-04-2008, 10:24 PM
If that be the case, then maybe Boise State should go to Indiana and play Ball State.

They would do it, but since Indiana doesnt host a Bowl that could prove to be difficult at this juncture.

broncogirl7
12-04-2008, 10:31 PM
They would do it, but since Indiana doesnt host a Bowl that could prove to be difficult at this juncture.

I hope that will be in the future someday for the MAC.

MissouriBronc
12-04-2008, 11:00 PM
Would Texas want to play in Norman, Oklahoma for a bowl game?

Is any bowl game played with a team that has a home field advantage? NO!

It would've been a great match up, but I think Ball State made the only decision they could make.

Miami in the Orange Bowl, UCLA or USC in the Rose Bowl, Arizona State in the Fiesta or the Insight Bowl, Texas/Texas A&M/Oklahoma in the Alamo Bowl or the Cotton, LSU in the Sugar Bowl, San Diego State in the Poinsetta or the Holiday, Hawaii in the Aloha Bowl, Tulane in the New Orleans Bowl, New Mexico in the New Mexico Bowl, UTEP in the Sun Bowl, Tennessee in the Music City Bowl, Georgia in the Chik-Fil-A Bowl, ...plenty of teams have "home field" advantages.

MAC already has a home-game bowl, btw...the Motor City Bowl in Detroit.

The difference is in how sales of tickets are distributed, but ultimately any of the above teams in any of those above bowls would be a home-field advantage, so I don't see the problem with Boise having a Bowl game.

Ball State should grow a pair.

56crash
12-04-2008, 11:21 PM
Miami in the Orange Bowl, UCLA or USC in the Rose Bowl, Arizona State in the Fiesta or the Insight Bowl, Texas/Texas A&M/Oklahoma in the Alamo Bowl or the Cotton, LSU in the Sugar Bowl, San Diego State in the Poinsetta or the Holiday, Hawaii in the Aloha Bowl, Tulane in the New Orleans Bowl, New Mexico in the New Mexico Bowl, UTEP in the Sun Bowl, Tennessee in the Music City Bowl, Georgia in the Chik-Fil-A Bowl, ...plenty of teams have "home field" advantages.

MAC already has a home-game bowl, btw...the Motor City Bowl in Detroit.

The difference is in how sales of tickets are distributed, but ultimately any of the above teams in any of those above bowls would be a home-field advantage, so I don't see the problem with Boise having a Bowl game.

Ball State should grow a pair.

I don't see the problem with Boise having a Bowl game?

what hell you talking they beat Oklahoma two years ago now they get dished by the BCS and Oklahoma looks to be in the biggest game and they lost a game this year .

MissouriBronc
12-04-2008, 11:23 PM
I don't see the problem with Boise having a Bowl game?

what hell you talking they beat Oklahoma two years ago now they get dished by the BCS and Oklahoma looks to be in the biggest game and they lost a game this year .

:confused:

56crash
12-04-2008, 11:24 PM
The BCS is the ones with no balls !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

56crash
12-04-2008, 11:27 PM
:confused:

What the hell is so hard they Boise St should be in a BCS game They got snubbed for all the big bowls

MissouriBronc
12-04-2008, 11:28 PM
What the hell is so hard they Boise St should be in a BCS game They got snubbed for all the big bowls

I don't know what point you're trying to make, but I'm not disagreeing with you.

The Humanitarian Bowl exists whether Boise is in it or not.

Northman
12-05-2008, 02:24 AM
I don't know what point you're trying to make, but I'm not disagreeing with you.

The Humanitarian Bowl exists whether Boise is in it or not.

Yea, im not sure where he was going with that either. Really had nothing to do with the conversation at hand.

OrangeHoof
12-05-2008, 04:42 PM
Bottom line, the bowls are there to attract tourist dollars. Everything else is secondary. That's why most bowls are in the South and West - so they can snag tourists trying to escape the winter cold. The advent of bowls in cold climates has to do with (again) tourist dollars but also indoor stadiums protected from the elements.

After that, the bowls exist to draw a crowd which is why inviting Ball State to play Boise St. made perfect sense for the Humanitarian Bowl. They could have named it the "BCS Snub Bowl" and the team that won would be the undisputed best undefeated team from a conference the BCS pisses on. I'd watch that a lot more than I'd watch 12-0 Boise host, say, a 6-6 ACC team.

I'll give Ball State the benefit of the doubt and say the MAC pressured Ball State to honor the agreement to send the MAC champ to the Motor City Bowl (because I imagine there was pressure whether anyone will admit to it or not) but it is sad to see that these two teams wouldn't be meeting regardless of the venue.

And I dare say if there was a bowl in the state of Indiana that offered to host Boise and Ball St. in the Lucas Oil Stadium, Boise would have probably taken it as long as the money was right and there was no better offer.

It always seems a little cheesy when the bowl game selects the university from the host city to play in it but, once again, they are just trying to put asses in seats and eyeballs in front of tv sets. Sometimes, that's just the best choice available.

MissouriBronc
12-05-2008, 05:26 PM
I'll give Ball State the benefit of the doubt and say the MAC pressured Ball State to honor the agreement to send the MAC champ to the Motor City Bowl (because I imagine there was pressure whether anyone will admit to it or not) but it is sad to see that these two teams wouldn't be meeting regardless of the venue.

Forgot to mention that last night.

:salute:

Its about contracts and the order in which a bowl selects in the bowl hierarchy, an interesting bit of politics...my best friend is a huge Nebraska fan and much more versed in this then I am, and we talked about it almost the whole way back from Lincoln last Friday.

BigDaddyBronco
12-05-2008, 05:32 PM
Memo to Ball State. Nobody cares if you are undefeated. Get off your high horse. :rolleyes:

MissouriBronc
12-05-2008, 05:34 PM
I'll see if I can't explain the Big 12 Hierarchy tonight...I'm going to have a cold one with the boss at the bar...

NightTrainLayne
12-05-2008, 05:53 PM
I'll see if I can't explain the Big 12 Hierarchy tonight...I'm going to have a cold one with the boss at the bar...

Remind me to thank your Boss next time I see him.

OrangeHoof
12-05-2008, 06:21 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the Big XII flow chart for selection is

BCS National Championship
If not, Fiesta Bowl
Any other BCS bowl that might choose a Big XII wild card
Cotton Bowl
Gator Bowl (if they opt for it. So far, I don't believe they have)
Holiday Bowl
Sun Bowl or Alamo Bowl
Alamo Bowl or Sun Bowl
Insight Bowl
Texas Bowl
Independence Bowl

I believe there is some wiggle room in order to avoid repeat matchups that were played out during the regular season.

There is definitely a pecking order in who chooses from the bowls but there is no requirement that a bowl has to take the next team in the standings. The larger programs with major fan bases (in the Big XII, that's Texas, Oklahoma and Nebraska) are always going to see preferential treatment in bowl selections. Remember, asses in seats and eyeballs in front of tv sets are what moves the bowls.

OrangeHoof
12-05-2008, 10:33 PM
Back to Ball State for a moment. They may drop out of the unbeaten ranks tonight. They are behind to Buffalo, 28-17, going into the 4th quarter. The last two Buffalo scores came on long fumble returns for touchdown on Nate Davis miscues. In one, he dove for the goal line and the ball came out which was returned 92 yards. Then a shotgun snap caught Davis by surprise and was returned 74 yards.

OrangeHoof
12-05-2008, 10:43 PM
Now Davis is sacked on fourth down. Buffalo takes over near midfield.

OrangeHoof
12-05-2008, 10:57 PM
Davis fumbles again and the Bulls take it in for six. Buffalo now leads, 35-17, midway through the 4th quarter.

OrangeHoof
12-05-2008, 10:58 PM
I hope the whole weekend goes like this. I'd love to see every heavy favorite go down tomorrow. That would be toooooo cooooool.

Northman
12-05-2008, 11:01 PM
I take back everything i said. Ball St. would of gotten stomped against Boise, they were smart not too take that bid. lmao

OrangeHoof
12-05-2008, 11:08 PM
Ball St. gets a TD with under 5 minutes left but still trails, 35-24. Onside kick is recovered by Buffalo.

OrangeHoof
12-05-2008, 11:14 PM
TD Buffalo! Looks like the Cards are going down! Under 3 minutes left. Buffalo 42, Ball St. 24.

MissouriBronc
12-05-2008, 11:22 PM
Whoops...

dogfish
12-06-2008, 02:37 AM
Would Texas want to play in Norman, Oklahoma for a bowl game?

Is any bowl game played with a team that has a home field advantage? NO!




actually, yes, and yes-- just two years ago texas went to LA and beat USC for the national championship. . .


;)

broncogirl7
12-06-2008, 11:59 AM
The way I understand it...the MAC teams have an "agreement" to the bowls in the MAC conference because they have been loyal to the teams in the MAC even when they've been nobodies(sp).

The guys from Ball State had a great game. There was some game-changing, crappy officiating and some freak hits and miscommunication between Gerberry and Nate J. Ball State wasn't outplayed (look at the stats), Buffalo just capitalized on some freak situations. The hit on Jackson when he was going into the endzone was awesome and the ball popping out into the hands of the Buffalo player and then taking it down for a touchdown was amazing to watch.

MissouriBronc
12-06-2008, 12:13 PM
The MAC has contracts with the GMAC Bowl and the Motor City Bowl. There is no loyalty involved.

broncogirl7
12-06-2008, 12:28 PM
The MAC has contracts with the GMAC Bowl and the Motor City Bowl. There is no loyalty involved.

Coach Hoke and others in the MAC are saying this, as well as the announcers from last night's game.

Northman
12-06-2008, 12:41 PM
The guys from Ball State had a great game. There was some game-changing, crappy officiating and some freak hits and miscommunication between Gerberry and Nate J. Ball State wasn't outplayed (look at the stats), Buffalo just capitalized on some freak situations. The hit on Jackson when he was going into the endzone was awesome and the ball popping out into the hands of the Buffalo player and then taking it down for a touchdown was amazing to watch.

Indeed. Ball St. took Buffalo for granted and it cost them. Hats off to Buffalo for focusing on the game at hand.

orangenblue420
01-06-2009, 11:02 PM
TU is kickin their ass right now - so i guess we know why :D

Northman
01-06-2009, 11:13 PM
Yea, i picked Ballz St. to win because i thought they were for real. Silly me.

broncogirl7
01-06-2009, 11:28 PM
I think Ball State is for real, but completely fell apart. It doesn't help when the coach abandons them right before the bowl game.
Tulsa just plain outplayed the living crap out of Ball State.

Broncolingus
01-06-2009, 11:32 PM
actually, yes, and yes-- just two years ago texas went to LA and beat USC for the national championship. . .


;)

"...Texas beat USC..."

(heh, heh)

NightTrainLayne
01-07-2009, 10:37 AM
actually, yes, and yes-- just two years ago texas went to LA and beat USC for the national championship. . .


;)

And OU had to go play LSU in the Superdome for the Sugar-bowl National Championship a couple years before that.

MissouriBronc
01-07-2009, 12:25 PM
On second thought maybe it was a good thing they didn't play Boise State.

45-13. Solid performance.

broncogirl7
01-07-2009, 12:31 PM
On second thought maybe it was a good thing they didn't play Boise State.

45-13. Solid performance.

It was a pretty pathetic game. I couldn't take watching the 4th quarter. They've never won a bowl game, ever and usually lose pretty bad so I don't know why I expected more. I do think they would've been better if Hoke hadn't bailed on them just before the bowl game.