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Magnificent Seven
12-01-2008, 02:27 AM
What if Nate Webster and DJ Williams return to the field?

I was wondering will they keep Larsen, Winborn and Woodyard on the field? I believe that they played harder and proved that they can stop the run.

Nate Webster and DJ Williams return to the field and they might not stop the run?

Kind of tricky for me. Any thoughts on that?

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12-01-2008, 03:58 AM
What if Nate Webster and DJ Williams return to the field?

I was wondering will they keep Larsen, Winborn and Woodyard on the field? I believe that they played harder and proved that they can stop the run.

Nate Webster and DJ Williams return to the field and they might not stop the run?

Kind of tricky for me. Any thoughts on that?

D.J. Williams is better than any other LB the Broncos can put out there. Nate
is a different story, IMO. I was very unhappy with him. However, if they do
put him back in and the defense starts giving up the run again, I rest assured
Shanny will yank him. So I'm not worried either way.

I do believe Larsen will overtake Webster eventually. But we must remember
that Larsen is a rookie right now, so he's not going to be consistent as we
would like right now. Yet when was Webster ever consistent?

It will be interesting . . .

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gregbroncs
12-01-2008, 05:30 AM
I for one will be frustrated if Webster is starting when he is healthy. He has been outplayed by Larsen and should not get back on the field.

Williams is a little different, he is the Broncos best linebacker but the other 2 guys have played really well in his absence. I think Williams will start and get most of the plays but that Woodyard will continue to play some. Woodyard may only play obvious running downs like 3rd and short.

Can Woodyard move to SAM? Or like Williams is he more of a weak side guy?

Simple Jaded
12-01-2008, 05:34 AM
What if they DON'T? :shocked: That's the question you should be asking.......

Dreadnought
12-01-2008, 06:34 AM
I do believe Larsen will overtake Webster eventually. But we must remember
that Larsen is a rookie right now, so he's not going to be consistent as we
would like right now. Yet when was Webster ever consistent?

Oh, Nate Webster is consistent alright. I'll give him credit for that great goal-line stuff of Pierre Thomas against the Saints. Apart from that? He is consistently awful. Not our worst defensive player - that honor goes to whoever is playing safety on any given day.

roomemp
12-01-2008, 08:29 AM
I am very happy with the play of our current linebackers. DJ needs to come back into the lineup but I think we need both Winborn and Woodyard in there too. Those 2 guys have been lighting it up.

broncofaninfla
12-01-2008, 09:11 AM
I agree, I like the guys we have now. Williams is a stud BUT the performance has NOT dropped off at all with Woodyard filling in. I would be very disappointed if Webster gets the nod over Larsen or even Haggan at this point. I'm personally hoping he has played his last down as a Broncos but doubt it's to that point yet. If he does get the nod when he comes back, I expect him to be benched promptly when his helmet fly’s off after giving up a long running play.

broken12
12-01-2008, 10:49 AM
Williams in, winborn in so that really only leaves one spot open not sure if webster gets back in there either way. ONe thing that really surprised me is the size of barrett, wow bigger that all our linebackers!

Rex
12-01-2008, 10:52 AM
Oh, Nate Webster is consistent alright. I'll give him credit for that great goal-line stuff of Pierre Thomas against the Saints. Apart from that? He is consistently awful. Not our worst defensive player - that honor goes to whoever is playing safety on any given day.

"That boy's good"

"Yeah. Good and terrible"

-Coming to America

Northman
12-01-2008, 10:57 AM
Yea, Williams is more a more talented athlete but i like the production and effort given by the younger guys more. Problem is, they are paying guys like Williams far more money and they wont let them ride the pine getting paid like that. However, should they return and play worse you could see them being traded. At least i would if they cant play as well as a rookie.

roomemp
12-01-2008, 11:01 AM
Everyone disagrees but I say keep Woodyard and weakside and keep Winborn at Strongside. Pop DJ back in the middle till next season. There is no way we can take Woodyard out. The guy is in on literally every tackle.

tomjonesrocks
12-01-2008, 11:04 AM
Agree with everyone that said "Williams in, Webster out". The defense seems to have actually improved with the injuries to starters so there are decisions to make for sure.

Am really looking forward to seeing what this defense looks like when Champ and DJ get back. The other "starters" I'm less concerned with.

roomemp
12-01-2008, 11:08 AM
Woodyard is crazy. There is no way he can come out of the lineup.

Shazam!
12-01-2008, 11:22 AM
I think Nate lost his job and will be gone just like Ian Gold.

Medford Bronco
12-01-2008, 11:30 AM
DJ definately plays, Webster, not so much IMHO

yardog
12-01-2008, 11:46 AM
DJ Larson Woodyard.

G_Money
12-01-2008, 11:50 AM
I was not happy with DJ in the middle last year. I think he’s dumb, so I don’t want him as the leader of the D, and I don’t think he has good instincts so his play in the first half of the year was NOT good.

But he did get better in the 2nd half, and could wind up as a MLB with adequate instincts and great physical skills. Honestly, are we guaranteed more than that from Maualuga or Spikes?

I think Woodyard is a great weak-side LB. I think he could be a great safety. I think he’s a good emotional leader – something DJ is not. I think he needs to get on the field.

If we will not move him to safety – and all signs point that we have ZERO interest in doing that – then he should play the Will.

Some guys talk about moving him to Sam, but I don’t think that takes the best advantage of his skills. The only way I’d move him to Sam is if DJ refuses to go back to Mike. Woodyard would not be a good MLB, so he’d have to default to Sam. It wouldn’t be a great fit for him, unfortunately.

If you gave me Woodyard, DJ, and a monster Sam in the draft, along with a DC who knows what to do with three ridiculously athletic LBs, that might be a start of something.

If instead we decide to see “if Boss can give it another go” and do another year of him and Winborn at Sam, well…I think playing the strong-side helps to curtail some of Winborn’s less attractive attributes (ie, over-pursuit). We have other holes to fill that I wouldn’t mind filling.

Larsen doesn’t see the field except on special teams if DJ gets the Mike, but we’re “stuck” with DJ – if you can BE stuck with a guy that talented, and that much of a team player. He has to take the place of one of the two rookies, so is he more of an improvement over Woodyard at Will or Larsen at Mike?

It’s probably a toss-up, but DJ can stay on the field in passing situations and so is less of an exploitable mismatch than Larsen is.

If I’d had my way we would not have given DJ the contract, but I know exactly why we did it and it has its own merits. It just puts us in the awkward position of re-arranging our LB corps once again.

Personally I’d tell Woodyard to be prepared to either move to SS or play the Will, and DJ to be ready for either the Will or Mike, based on what happens on draft day. If we take a safety early because the top-rated one is there, then Woodyard is our weak-side backer and DJ is in the middle. If the safeties are gone but the MLB stud is there, then Woodyard moves to safety, DJ is the Will and we have a new MLB.

I don’t know that the Broncos will be that flexible. They seem to pidgeonhole certain players while using others as everything BUT what they were drafted for, so I can never tell.

Having quality players can never be a curse. We just need to figure out how best to use our quality players.

~G

Dreadnought
12-01-2008, 11:55 AM
Dear G-Money;

You still haven't addressed the burning issue of what to do with Nate Webster. It seems your plan doesn't include him in any way. Is this an oversight?

Sincerely, Dreadnought

G_Money
12-01-2008, 12:01 PM
I didn’t figure keel-hauling needed a lot of explanation.

Larsen’s a better MLB than Webster. When Webster gets back I hope he never sees the field except on Special Teams, and that he’s gone in the off-season. Larsen’s a better STer than him too. Larsen can back up the MLB position just fine next year without Webster around, thank you very much, and if we went with some Safety/DL/Strong-side choices or in some other fashion Larsen was our starting MLB next year I could be fine with that too.

Webster need never darken our door again, as far as I’m concerned.

~G

Dreadnought
12-01-2008, 12:05 PM
I didn’t figure keel-hauling needed a lot of explanation.

Larsen’s a better MLB than Webster. When Webster gets back I hope he never sees the field except on Special Teams, and that he’s gone in the off-season. Larsen’s a better STer than him too. Larsen can back up the MLB position just fine next year without Webster around, thank you very much, and if we went with some Safety/DL/Strong-side choices or in some other fashion Larsen was our starting MLB next year I could be fine with that too.

Webster need never darken our door again, as far as I’m concerned.

~G

I would be content to see Webster, Manuel, and Lowry all working at a cell phone kiosk to be honest. They can't be gone soon enough.

broncofaninfla
12-01-2008, 12:14 PM
With Woodyard stepping up like he has. I'm all for trading DJ next season assuming we can get a 1 or a 2 out of him.

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12-01-2008, 12:29 PM
I didn’t figure keel-hauling needed a lot of explanation.

Larsen’s a better MLB than Webster. When Webster gets back I hope he never sees the field except on Special Teams, and that he’s gone in the off-season. Larsen’s a better STer than him too. Larsen can back up the MLB position just fine next year without Webster around, thank you very much, and if we went with some Safety/DL/Strong-side choices or in some other fashion Larsen was our starting MLB next year I could be fine with that too.

Webster need never darken our door again, as far as I’m concerned.

~G

Larsen has played three games in his life as LB on the pro level. I'm not sure
he was previously even on the field at that position in a regular season game.
We can judge his play only with that in mind.

So, with that in mind, if he is already better than Webster, who is experienced,
then Larsen may have a chance to become quite good with experience.
"Athleticism" can be overrated at MLB, as Webster has demonstrated. What
is needed there is knowing where to be and when to be there, hitting hard,
and wrapping up. He also must be good at directing traffic. Larsen seems
good at all of those, for his limited experience. And he's showing signs of
being a leader.

I don't care if a player is a star on the balance beam and parallel bars and
can run a 4.2. Can he play football? In short, Larsen can, far as we have
seen to date.

Just a side note: Dick Butkus was not especially "athletic." He was only one
of the greatest MLBs to play the game, if not the greatest.

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nevcraw
12-01-2008, 12:42 PM
They seemed to have pulled Larsen a lot in favor of Hagan yesterday.. Before he got hurt. I just dont think they see him as being as good as we do.. I think Webtser goes back in.. hoping not though..

haroldthebarrel
12-01-2008, 12:44 PM
DJ was having a pro bowl season leading the league in tackles playing WILL and still people want to move him to a position he is a lesser player.

I would buy the argument if I thought WW had his potential but I dont think he has.

Larsen has been the best MLB on this team outplaying Webster and Kotovides.
Winborn has been much better than I hoped at SAM, thus WW is out unless he can outplay Winborn in practise at the SAM.
Should he be able to play SAM we will have a great nickle defense with him and DJ playing the linebacker roles.

DenBronx
12-01-2008, 01:06 PM
i think we need to keep the best players on the field. dj doesnt need to move ever again from will, period. unless of course someone offered a pretty sweet trade to us. woodyard would be sick at safety and its crazy why they wont even give him a look at it. he's alot better than the jokers that have been out there. here's the scenario id like to see on defense.

woodyard/manuel

dj/larsen/winborn

bly/bailey

dume/robertson/thomas/moss

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12-01-2008, 01:08 PM
They seemed to have pulled Larsen a lot in favor of Hagan yesterday.. Before he got hurt. I just dont think they see him as being as good as we do.. I think Webtser goes back in.. hoping not though..

Well, Hagan is the guy with the experience.

Trouble is, I saw him sliding off ball carriers, too . . .

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roomemp
12-01-2008, 01:28 PM
i think we need to keep the best players on the field. dj doesnt need to move ever again from will, period. unless of course someone offered a pretty sweet trade to us. woodyard would be sick at safety and its crazy why they wont even give him a look at it. he's alot better than the jokers that have been out there. here's the scenario id like to see on defense.

woodyard/manuel

dj/larsen/winborn

bly/bailey

dume/robertson/thomas/moss

I still say we move DJ to the middle. Now it would not be permanent but it is a way to get woodyard on the field. My philosophy is Woodyard and Winborn are playing extremely good ball right now. DJ would be an upgrade to anyone we have at MLB. Larsen had only 1 tackle assist yesterday and he was burned on a couple passes. (That is prior to when he was hurt. Larsen is not the answer. I think the idea of putting Woodyard in at safety in the middle of the season is a waste. Thats a move you would make in the offseason. DJ in the middle with woodyard and Winborn playing the edges makes the most sense. Also there is no way Moss can start. He still gets eatin alive on running plays. Engleberger should start along with Ekuban with doom and Moss coming in as pass rush specialists.

gobroncsnv
12-01-2008, 10:19 PM
Webster should be afforded the opportunity to get back to his natural position, that of being a backup linebacker. I say keep Larsen in there and learning. We're better with him as our MIKE.

BroncoAV06
12-01-2008, 11:20 PM
Surprised with the amount of people jumping on DJ, he is by far the Broncos best line backer. It is not a bad thing at all to have this question, it means that there is actually some depth at a position, but that is still up in the air IMO.


On whether younger players will be relegated to lesser roles when veterans return from injury

Mike Shanahan: "Those are problems you want to have. You want guys that are backing up that have had playing time and proved themselves. Sometimes when guys do come back they are not able to play a full game so you might have to split time. So there are a lot of different intangibles that go into it. You really don't know until the end of the week which direction you are going to go."

broncofaninfla
12-02-2008, 08:55 AM
For some reason they seem intent on getting Haggan more and more into the MLB mix. Larsen has been our best MLB BY FAR this season and will only get better with more playing time. I'm all for getting Haggan some playing time if they are considering cutting Webster but I feel Larsen has earned the starting role and should stay there.

Copy and Paste from Denver post:

Haggan, Larsen rotating.
While middle linebacker Nate Webster gets closer to returning from a knee injury, the Broncos have added another linebacker to the mix.
Sunday against the Jets, Mario Haggan alternated defensive series with Spencer Larsen.
Haggan made five tackles and was credited with a sack when he touched Jets quarterback Brett Favre down for a 1-yard loss. Larsen, who has started the three games since Webster was injured Nov. 6 at Cleveland, had one tackle and had to leave the game in the third quarter when he injured his hip.
"It's great to get the opportunity," said Haggan, who signed with the Broncos on Nov. 4. "We want to make it a tough decision on who to play. The coaches, I think, are rewarding us both for working hard in practice." Webster practiced with the scout team last week but is hoping to take defensive reps when the team returns to practice Wednesday.

DenverBronkHoes
12-02-2008, 09:37 AM
let DJ play.....

Webster is not a good ILB.....

DJ needs to be on the field tho...... the guy is a beast

broncofaninfla
12-04-2008, 09:34 AM
Looks like we are about to find out. I hope I'm wrong but I bet our defense slips when Webster returns. Copy and paste from the Denver Post:

Denver's defensive injury woes appear to be finally improving.
Linebackers Nate Webster and D.J. Williams participated fully in practice Wednesday for the first time since suffering knee injuries early last month.
Webster is likely to return Sunday against Kansas City, and Williams is expected to be questionable.
"I feel great," Webster said. "Nate's back."
Both Williams and Webster sprained their medial collateral ligaments — Williams on Nov. 2 against Miami and Webster Nov. 6 at Cleveland. Both spent last week practicing with the scout team.
"They have been practicing here for about the last 10 days, so it's not like they are just coming back (Wednesday)," coach Mike Shanahan said. "We will get a chance to evaluate them over the next couple of practices and see how they are doing."
Williams has been replaced by Wesley Woodyard, an undrafted rookie, on the weakside, while Webster has been replaced primarily by rookie Spencer Larsen at middle linebacker.
When Williams returns, Woodyard will go back to being primarily a special-teams player. Larsen also will remain on special teams and Wednesday rejoined Denver's offense as a fullback.
"Just another opportunity to get on the field," Larsen said.
Cornerback Champ Bailey remained limited in practice but will probably play. Broncos held out of practice were defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban, who injured his neck against the Jets, and safety Marlon McCree, still recovering from an ankle injury.

MOtorboat
12-04-2008, 09:39 AM
He just referred to himself in the third person. :tsk:

Let Larsen play.

LRtagger
12-04-2008, 09:41 AM
He just referred to himself in the third person. :tsk:

Let Larsen play.

I was about to say the exact same thing... "I cant believe he just referred to himself in the 3rd person"...ship the guy off to WWE and let Larsen play.

broncofaninfla
12-04-2008, 09:42 AM
I just hope Shanny isn't too slow to bench him when Webster's helmet flies off after tackling a RB who just ripped off a 20 yard gain against him.

LRtagger
12-04-2008, 09:43 AM
When Williams returns, Woodyard will go back to being primarily a special-teams player. Larsen also will remain on special teams and Wednesday rejoined Denver's offense as a fullback.

:doh:

broncofaninfla
12-04-2008, 09:50 AM
This news has honestly ruined my morning. It baffles me how the coaches evaluate talent. So much for playing the best players............

G_Money
12-04-2008, 11:22 AM
On the plus side, the rookies can stop saving Slowik’s bacon now.

If I was Bob I would be desperately against adding back in players, even good players, who had so much trouble figuring out my “scheme” over the last year. After all, they’re playing for my job. Whoever’s succeeding stays.

Mediocre players like Nate should be a no-brainer to keep on the sidelines.

We’ll see what happens I guess. I expect our special teams hits to get a little brutal as Larsen and Woodyard take out some aggression on KC if neither of them play defense for us this week.

~G

haroldthebarrel
12-04-2008, 11:49 AM
OK so apparently we have one guy who played very well when he wasnt injured.
We have another who has been outplayed by the rookie who replaced him.

And yet both of these will come back and then we should expect our defense to be as good as when they didnt play. Because when they did play, we were awful.
Of course we want DJ back, but I am at a complete loss to how anybody can justify Webster not loosing his starting gig, even if he was injured.

And some people wonder if there is not enough reasons to fire Slowik?

broncofaninfla
12-04-2008, 11:52 AM
OK so apparently we have one guy who played very well when he wasnt injured.
We have another who has been outplayed by the rookie who replaced him.

And yet both of these will come back and then we should expect our defense to be as good as when they didnt play. Because when they did play, we were awful.
Of course we want DJ back, but I am at a complete loss to how anybody can justify Webster not loosing his starting gig, even if he was injured.

And some people wonder if there is not enough reasons to fire Slowik?

I wonder if Slow or Shanny makes the call on who should start? If NW and DJ do start, I hope they don't wait until we lose to switch back to the guys who have turned it around for us.

haroldthebarrel
12-04-2008, 11:57 AM
I wonder if Slow or Shanny makes the call on who should start? If NW and DJ do start, I hope they don't wait until we lose to switch back to the guys who have turned it around for us.

What can I say. I am at a complete loss. I just dont understand this logic at all.

On the videos at NFL.COM you could see there was one linebacker who failed to contain at Thomas Jones' 50 plus yard counter. That might have been Larsen.
But it wasnt like Webster and the other veterans made terrible mistakes when they did play.

haroldthebarrel
12-04-2008, 12:02 PM
I wonder if Slow or Shanny makes the call on who should start? If NW and DJ do start, I hope they don't wait until we lose to switch back to the guys who have turned it around for us.

I suspect it is Shanahan. I know he wants to prefer to play veterans.

Some people say he isnt afraid to play rookies, but that was not true until this season. Last season only Thomas started more than five games.
And I believe that until this season only DJ and Eric Brown were the ones who started from day one.

there is a tendency that when veteran players get hurt, the injured players step in and play above expectations.
This happened with Harris at RT, which really was a result of Holland getting in the doghouse, and Kuper who was the plan at RT had to play RG.
This was true of how Portis got his shot. This was true of Woodyard and Larsen.
A rookie starting seems more often to be the result of an injury than the rookie actually outperforming his veteran counterpart(like Cutler did).

Lonestar
12-04-2008, 12:31 PM
Linebackers Nate Webster and D.J. Williams participated fully in practice Wednesday for the first time since suffering knee injuries early last month.

Webster is likely to return Sunday against Kansas City, and Williams is expected to be questionable.

"I feel great," Webster said. "Nate's back."

Both Williams and Webster sprained their medial collateral ligaments — Williams on Nov. 2 against Miami and Webster Nov. 6 at Cleveland. Both spent last week practicing with the scout team.

"They have been practicing here for about the last 10 days, so it's not like they are just coming back (Wednesday)," coach Mike Shanahan said. "We will get a chance to evaluate them over the next couple of practices and see how they are doing."

Williams has been replaced by Wesley Woodyard, an undrafted rookie, on the weakside, while Webster has been replaced primarily by rookie Spencer Larsen at middle linebacker.

When Williams returns, Woodyard will go back to being primarily a special-teams player. Larsen also will remain on special teams and Wednesday rejoined Denver's offense as a fullback.

"Just another opportunity to get on the field," Larsen said.

Cornerback Champ Bailey remained limited in practice but will probably play. Broncos held out of practice were defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban, who injured his neck against the Jets, and safety Marlon McCree, still recovering from an ankle injury.

More QB comparisons.

Kansas City coach Herm Edwards is likening his young quarterback to Jay Cutler.

Edwards said Tyler Thigpen's mobility reminds him of Cutler's ability to scramble. Thigpen leads all quarterbacks with 251 rushing yards. Cutler has rushed 37 times for 141 yards this season.

"He's kind of like Jay, Denver's guy," Edwards said. "I think they're about the same, running-wise. They can run with the football. It always helps a quarterback when he can bail himself out and make a first down and run the football, especially on third down."

No lacking motivation.

Cutler understands that his Denver team has been difficult to predict, and he encouraged prognosticators to pick the Chiefs (2-10) to pull another upset.

"Please do," he said. "I don't think it would hurt at this point."

The Broncos were 3-0 when they lost 33-19 to the Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium in September. And Denver enters with a three-game home losing streak, including Nov. 23 against Oakland (3-9).

"I think we have learned our lesson on taking teams lightly, and I don't think that it will happen this week," Cutler said.

Broncos add safety help.

Denver signed safety Herana-Daze Jones to provide depth and provide help on special teams.

Jones takes the roster spot of defensive tackle Josh Shaw, who was placed on the injured-reserve list Tuesday after dislocating his elbow against the Jets.

Jones, a fourth-year player, played in three games for the Bengals this season, and was waived by Cincinnati on Nov. 4. Jones, 26, has been plagued by a hamstring injury.

Footnotes.

Running back Selvin Young (groin) practiced fully, but Shanahan said Peyton Hillis will remain the team's starting tailback. . . . Rookie receiver Eddie Royal, limited in practices all last week, was removed from the injury report.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11132982


Does anyone here really think that nate should be back?

Day1BroncoFan
12-04-2008, 12:35 PM
Linebackers Nate Webster and D.J. Williams participated fully in practice Wednesday for the first time since suffering knee injuries early last month.

Webster is likely to return Sunday against Kansas City, and Williams is expected to be questionable.

"I feel great," Webster said. "Nate's back."

Both Williams and Webster sprained their medial collateral ligaments — Williams on Nov. 2 against Miami and Webster Nov. 6 at Cleveland. Both spent last week practicing with the scout team.

"They have been practicing here for about the last 10 days, so it's not like they are just coming back (Wednesday)," coach Mike Shanahan said. "We will get a chance to evaluate them over the next couple of practices and see how they are doing."

Williams has been replaced by Wesley Woodyard, an undrafted rookie, on the weakside, while Webster has been replaced primarily by rookie Spencer Larsen at middle linebacker.

When Williams returns, Woodyard will go back to being primarily a special-teams player. Larsen also will remain on special teams and Wednesday rejoined Denver's offense as a fullback.

"Just another opportunity to get on the field," Larsen said.

Cornerback Champ Bailey remained limited in practice but will probably play. Broncos held out of practice were defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban, who injured his neck against the Jets, and safety Marlon McCree, still recovering from an ankle injury.

More QB comparisons.

Kansas City coach Herm Edwards is likening his young quarterback to Jay Cutler.

Edwards said Tyler Thigpen's mobility reminds him of Cutler's ability to scramble. Thigpen leads all quarterbacks with 251 rushing yards. Cutler has rushed 37 times for 141 yards this season.

"He's kind of like Jay, Denver's guy," Edwards said. "I think they're about the same, running-wise. They can run with the football. It always helps a quarterback when he can bail himself out and make a first down and run the football, especially on third down."

No lacking motivation.

Cutler understands that his Denver team has been difficult to predict, and he encouraged prognosticators to pick the Chiefs (2-10) to pull another upset.

"Please do," he said. "I don't think it would hurt at this point."

The Broncos were 3-0 when they lost 33-19 to the Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium in September. And Denver enters with a three-game home losing streak, including Nov. 23 against Oakland (3-9).

"I think we have learned our lesson on taking teams lightly, and I don't think that it will happen this week," Cutler said.

Broncos add safety help.

Denver signed safety Herana-Daze Jones to provide depth and provide help on special teams.

Jones takes the roster spot of defensive tackle Josh Shaw, who was placed on the injured-reserve list Tuesday after dislocating his elbow against the Jets.

Jones, a fourth-year player, played in three games for the Bengals this season, and was waived by Cincinnati on Nov. 4. Jones, 26, has been plagued by a hamstring injury.

Footnotes.

Running back Selvin Young (groin) practiced fully, but Shanahan said Peyton Hillis will remain the team's starting tailback. . . . Rookie receiver Eddie Royal, limited in practices all last week, was removed from the injury report.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11132982


Does anyone here really think that nate should be back?

I think not. We'll know on Sunday and hopefully it will work out. Why break something that has been working.

NightTrainLayne
12-04-2008, 12:37 PM
Well the same guy that is going to continue to start Hillis over Selvin Young will ultimately make the decision. I guess we'll see what he decides.

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12-04-2008, 01:44 PM
I didn’t figure keel-hauling needed a lot of explanation.

Larsen’s a better MLB than Webster. When Webster gets back I hope he never sees the field except on Special Teams, and that he’s gone in the off-season. Larsen’s a better STer than him too. Larsen can back up the MLB position just fine next year without Webster around, thank you very much, and if we went with some Safety/DL/Strong-side choices or in some other fashion Larsen was our starting MLB next year I could be fine with that too.

Webster need never darken our door again, as far as I’m concerned.

~G

Problem is, Shanny announced yesterday (Wednesday) that he has shoved Larsen back to FB.

So I guess we're stuck with Webster in the middle. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thannoyed-1.gif


EDIT: I just read the posts following yours. I guess everybody already knows . . .

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Dreadnought
12-04-2008, 01:56 PM
:tsk: I had hoped against hope I had seen the last of Nate Webster. Too bad.

In addition, and as noted by some others, how does this career stiff justify referring to himself in the third person? Its unbearable when great athletes ets. do it, but this chump? Pfaugh!!!!

broncofaninfla
12-04-2008, 02:43 PM
:tsk: I had hoped against hope I had seen the last of Nate Webster. Too bad.

In addition, and as noted by some others, how does this career stiff justify referring to himself in the third person? Its unbearable when great athletes ets. do it, but this chump? Pfaugh!!!!

Maybe he is talking about his helmet?

WARHORSE
12-04-2008, 03:35 PM
Nate is faster, but less of a sure tackler. He also doesnt get off the opposing Olinemen as well.

Lonestar
12-04-2008, 05:01 PM
Nate is faster, but less of a sure tackler. He also doesnt get off the opposing Olinemen as well.


in other weirds just what mikey is looking for in his leader of the pack..

Maybe he is allowing slowick to hang himself..

fcspikeit
12-04-2008, 05:34 PM
i think we need to keep the best players on the field. dj doesnt need to move ever again from will, period. unless of course someone offered a pretty sweet trade to us. woodyard would be sick at safety and its crazy why they wont even give him a look at it. he's alot better than the jokers that have been out there. here's the scenario id like to see on defense.

woodyard/manuel

dj/larsen/winborn

bly/bailey

dume/robertson/thomas/moss

Woodyard/Barrett

DJ/Larson/Winborn

Bly/Bailey

:D

GEM
12-04-2008, 05:36 PM
FFS Shanny. Our defense hasn't been the complete laughing stock of the league since Webster was out. Welcome back to pathetic city. The only excitement we'll see now is how far dumbasses helmet can roll on Sunday. :rolleyes:

GEM
12-04-2008, 05:41 PM
What further pisses me off about this is we had the chance to build our defense around our rookies, with a good mix of veteran leadership in DJ, Champ & Bly. I'd rather we be paying minimum to the guys that we drafted than overpaying some big, dumb oaf who can't tackle to save his life and hasn't learned how in 10 years in the league. :tsk: Larsen has earned his role on this team. Webster keeps getting it handed to him.

Lonestar
12-04-2008, 05:46 PM
FFS Shanny. Our defense hasn't been the complete laughing stock of the league since Webster was out. Welcome back to pathetic city. The only excitement we'll see now is how far dumbasses helmet can roll on Sunday. :rolleyes:


We have moved:
on total defense from 31st to 28th over the past 3-4 weeks..
on passing defense from 30th to 27th over the past 3-4 weeks..
on rushing defense from 32nd to 28th over the past 3-4 weeks..
on scoring defense from 32nd to 29th over the past 3-4 weeks..

Now is that because the rookies hustled, have more talent and played harder

OR the veterans can not get the scheme

fcspikeit
12-04-2008, 05:47 PM
On the plus side, the rookies can stop saving Slowik’s bacon now.

If I was Bob I would be desperately against adding back in players, even good players, who had so much trouble figuring out my “scheme” over the last year. After all, they’re playing for my job. Whoever’s succeeding stays.

Mediocre players like Nate should be a no-brainer to keep on the sidelines.

We’ll see what happens I guess. I expect our special teams hits to get a little brutal as Larsen and Woodyard take out some aggression on KC if neither of them play defense for us this week.

~G

Slowik getting canned is the only good thing that can come out of this G..

What are we missing here? Webster sucks! Larson is a rookie that shows promise who can only get better with experience. At this very moment he is better then Webster, Why? why are they sitting Larson for Webster? :confused:

Can they really be that dumb? If they were moving DJ to Mike to keep Woodyard on the field, in essence playing Woodyard over Larson, there might be a worthy discussion there, But playing Webster over both of them. :doh: :banghead:

For the first time in a long time our defense has shown promise, signs of life. Shanahan is putting us right back to where we were before. It's unbelievable...

This has to be one of the dumbest moves I have ever seen...

GEM
12-04-2008, 05:53 PM
We have moved:
on total defense from 31st to 28th over the past 3-4 weeks..
on passing defense from 30th to 27th over the past 3-4 weeks..
on rushing defense from 32nd to 28th over the past 3-4 weeks..
on scoring defense from 32nd to 29th over the past 3-4 weeks..

Now is that because the rookies hustled, have more talent and played harder

OR the veterans can not get the scheme

Stop gap isn't that friggen hard to get. You cover this gap and this gap. If a 10 year vet hasn't gotten that yet, they don't deserve to be in the NFL. :tsk: I'm sick of hearing they can't get the scheme. Stop the mf'er that is coming your way. That's just the excuse they are using instead of saying...well I did an arm tackle on the guy and he got by me. It was my mistake.

Gradishar should start a school for these idiots on how to tackle rather than just saying nobody does it right. He'd make a fortune on any of these idiots who could get over their own ego enough to listen and watch.

fcspikeit
12-04-2008, 05:55 PM
We have moved:
on total defense from 31st to 28th over the past 3-4 weeks..
on passing defense from 30th to 27th over the past 3-4 weeks..
on rushing defense from 32nd to 28th over the past 3-4 weeks..
on scoring defense from 32nd to 29th over the past 3-4 weeks..

Now is that because the rookies hustled, have more talent and played harder

OR the veterans can not get the scheme

We done that playing against 2 of the best offenses in the league.

Shanahan's arrogant ass is probably taking the credit for himself. I swear, this is beyond belief even for him...

I hate "the Nate" :rolleyes:. It pisses me off to no end, watching him do his dumb ass dance after making a tackle, when he just got toasted the play before. The guy is a loser!

smith49
12-04-2008, 06:42 PM
good hell. why is webster even on this team for anything other than back up duty? larsen is far and beyond webster and he is a rookie. woodyard is too small to play middle but i gaurantee he would do better in the middle then webster. note to shanny: keep what is workin on the field, with the exception of champ and dj. get woodyard in, he makes plays. get larsen in, he makes plays. what else do you need to know. this move is beyond me. i just don't get it.

GEM
12-04-2008, 07:14 PM
"I feel great," Webster said. "Nate's back."


Yay? More like....there goes any of the progress we've made the last couple weeks. :coffee:

Superchop 7
12-04-2008, 08:10 PM
The only way this makes sense is if they are trying to rest Larsen.

If not.

Shanny's credibility is in doubt.

G_Money
12-04-2008, 09:27 PM
I'd say Shanahan is doing what he always does and is trying to play the injury card to make the other team prep for multiple players instead of a known starter...

But seriously, how much prep is required to practice for Nate Webster?

Do you have to have your offense take reps laughing their asses off when they see him strut onto the field like he's a Somebody, so they don't get winded when they do it at altitude?

*shrugs* Larsen was beat up some last week. Maybe he needs some time off.

I don't see it.

Or maybe Shanahan wants to prove to the other defenders that Nate's NOT The Man and the Chiefs is a "safe" game to prove that in.

Or maybe Bob really wants to get fired and Shanahan wants to help him.

Because the answer certainly can't be that the Broncos think that the Webster of the first half of the season is better than the Larsen of the last few games, right?

~G

Dean
12-04-2008, 09:37 PM
Wasn't Larson taken out of the Jets game with a hip injury? Maybe that plays into the decision to use Webster. Who knows? :confused:

Lonestar
12-04-2008, 11:51 PM
Wasn't Larson taken out of the Jets game with a hip injury? Maybe that plays into the decision to use Webster. Who knows? :confused:

this is absolutely the only reason that is not total lunacy..

fcspikeit
12-05-2008, 12:05 AM
The only way this makes sense is if they are trying to rest Larsen.

If not.

Shanny's credibility is in doubt.

No kidding, We have the best draft we have ever had and Shanny won't let them play?

Don't he know it makes him look good to have drafted these starters in the late rounds? That should be enough in itself for him to let them play.

Maybe this is all a smoke screen? Maybe he wants the Chiefs to come with 2 plays on their play sheet, ISO left and ISO right. They would be screwed when they seen Webster sitting on the bench :laugh:

Lonestar
12-05-2008, 12:23 AM
No kidding, We have the best draft we have ever had and Shanny won't let them play?

Don't he know it makes him look good to have drafted these starters in the late rounds? That should be enough in itself for him to let them play.

Maybe this is all a smoke screen? Maybe he wants the Chiefs to come with 2 plays on their play sheet, ISO left and ISO right. They would be screwed when they seen Webster sitting on the bench :laugh:

Like we should have to deceive them?

But then again it is a home game against a poor team good chance we lose this one also..

I've given up on trying to figure out "What evil lurks in the mind of mikey"..

I'd even bet the Shadow does not..

broncofaninfla
12-05-2008, 08:57 AM
I read this morning where Spencer has been slowed down by a hip bruise but no mention was made on whether he will be starting this weekend. Right now, idications are that Webster gets the nod this week. Even before Webster was healthy, coaches were giving Hagan a look at MLB to see what he could do. It's like they don't see the improvement Larsen has brough to the postion! I just pray coaches don't wait too long to yank Webster this weekend and cost us the game.

fcspikeit
12-05-2008, 03:58 PM
Like we should have to deceive them?

But then again it is a home game against a poor team good chance we lose this one also..

I've given up on trying to figure out "What evil lurks in the mind of mikey"..

I'd even bet the Shadow does not..

One thing is for sure, This is not a trap game! They better not be overlooking the Chiefs.

If our loses to the Chiefs and Raiders can be used to show the team they have to focus every week for every opponent, they could have been a blessing in disguise.

Even with the losses, we are setting pretty good. We control our own destiny. We have won 3 of the last 4, 2 against playoff teams, our defense has improved greatly over those weeks. If we can get hot going down the stretch, we might surprise some people, including most of us :D

TXBRONC
12-05-2008, 07:21 PM
One thing is for sure, This is not a trap game! They better not be overlooking the Chiefs.

If our loses to the Chiefs and Raiders can be used to show the team they have to focus every week for every opponent, they could have been a blessing in disguise.

Even with the losses, we are setting pretty good. We control our own destiny. We have won 3 of the last 4, 2 against playoff teams, our defense has improved greatly over those weeks. If we can get hot going down the stretch, we might surprise some people, including most of us :D

Agreed. This is no trap game, and while Denver has struggled in its last three home I think its foolish that they'll keep losing home games.

Every lose we have had this year turnovers are the thing that has killed us. If offense takes care of the ball Denver stands a very good chance of winning the game.