Von Miller...

[SmilinAssasSin27]

...is the real deal.

That is all.

[SOCALORADO.]

That 1st step is just freakin LETHAL.
Like Chuck Norris and Van Damme and that dude who does the jui jitsu, combined LETHAL.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I'm still a bit upset we passed on Dareus...but that last game made me feel a LOT better. Pre-season or not.

[Nomad]

I like Miller's motor and will be an asset to the team especially with Doom on the other side. We'll talk about 'real deal' when the BRONCOS start playing stronger teams.


Run defense and defending the screens when blitzing is going to definitely need fixin.

[tomjonesrocks]

After the ghastly Cutler trade (although even if he hadn't been traded I wonder if the team would have paid him now), loss of Hillis, Marshall, the insane Smith debacle, and so on and so on, I feel like being a Broncos fan has been excruciating the last few years.

While again I was deeply unhappy with the draft and prospect of another ******* year of Orton, I feel Miller looks to be the one LEGITIMATE true positive for the future.

We still should have taken a DT over Franklin, but at least the team has the slightest glimmer of hope their number one pick will actually work out.

[Ziggy]

Franklin is a stud. He's got some work to do on pass blocking, but that's normal for any rookie Olineman. He's already a beast in the run game. With him and Kuper on the right side together, we finally have a way to pound the rock on short yardage and red zone plays.

[BigSarge87]

IDK man, Franklin looks like a road-grading beast so far. He's going to make a huge difference IMO. If we didn't sign Franklin and Harris still left, we'd be IAWOS right now on the line. Even as it is we're pretty dang thin.

[silkamilkamonico]

After the ghastly Cutler trade (although even if he hadn't been traded I wonder if the team would have paid him now), loss of Hillis, Marshall, the insane Smith debacle, and so on and so on, I feel like being a Broncos fan has been excruciating the last few years.

While again I was deeply unhappy with the draft and prospect of another ******* year of Orton, I feel Miller looks to be the one LEGITIMATE true positive for the future.

We still should have taken a DT over Franklin, but at least the team has the slightest glimmer of hope their number one pick will actually work out.

Agreed. I love the way Miller plays. Two bad we still don't have Mike Nolan's scheme on defense, we'd be absolutely deadly with Miller/Dumervil off the edges.

[TXBRONC]

After the ghastly Cutler trade (although even if he hadn't been traded I wonder if the team would have paid him now), loss of Hillis, Marshall, the insane Smith debacle, and so on and so on, I feel like being a Broncos fan has been excruciating the last few years.

While again I was deeply unhappy with the draft and prospect of another ******* year of Orton, I feel Miller looks to be the one LEGITIMATE true positive for the future.

We still should have taken a DT over Franklin, but at least the team has the slightest glimmer of hope their number one pick will actually work out.

I thought denver would take a offensive tackle all along I just didn't expect them to pass on the defensive tackle.

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[honz]

Agreed. I love the way Miller plays. Two bad we still don't have Mike Nolan's scheme on defense, we'd be absolutely deadly with Miller/Dumervil off the edges.

I'm pretty sure ol' Foxy knows how to coach em up on D too...just saying.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

I'm glad to have seen Miller show flashes vs Buffalo this week. He's a legitimate pass rush machine, no doubt.

The other guy I've been really impressed with thus far (and I've been paying attention to DL the most of any unit) has been Bunkley. That dude is exactly the DT we've needed for years. He's not much of a pass rusher, but he's damned near immovable out there and constantly draws and fights off double teams. He's our best DT by far and has played extremely well in the first two games.

[cuzz4169]

I'm glad to have seen Miller show flashes vs Buffalo this week. He's a legitimate pass rush machine, no doubt.

The other guy I've been really impressed with thus far (and I've been paying attention to DL the most of any unit) has been Bunkley. That dude is exactly the DT we've needed for years. He's not much of a pass rusher, but he's damned near immovable out there and constantly draws and fights off double teams. He's our best DT by far and has played extremely well in the first two games.

100% agree...Bunkley played hurt last year and it showed..Healthy Bunkley is a stud NT. Will do exactly what we want draw double teams let LBs run free.

[Dzone]

Before Oakland figures out what hit them, the game will be over and we will have kicked their ass. 1-0 start.

VonDoom will be a household word.

[sneakers]

VonDoom sounds like a Norwegian Horror Metal band.

[zbeg]

VonDoom sounds like a Norwegian Horror Metal band.

Is that Dr. Doom's full name? Victor Von Doom?

#imanerd

[DenBronx]

Overall this years draft is looking great. I think Von Miller and Elvis are going to cause alot of QB's to make mistakes. Millers first step in just nasty though. His speed alone will help him get sacks. What Clay Matthews is to Green Bay, Miller will be to Denver and I like that idea.

This will of course help Champ, Cox and Moore get INT's. Heck even DJ reaped the harvest of a good pass rush last week.

Also, what about Bunkley? He seems to be creating pressure in the middle as well. Good pickup for us.

[DenBronx]

Also, anyone notice how the transition from a 3-4 to a 4-3 hasnt seemed to effect Elvis at all? He said in an interview today that he is a much much better player compared to who he was last time he played in a 4-3. Dume said he understand the game alot better and that going back to the 4-3 wont cause him to take a step back at all.

Good interview, just cant remember where I read it. I think he could easily get 15+ sacks this year even in the 4-3.

[Canmore]

Also, anyone notice how the transition from a 3-4 to a 4-3 hasnt seemed to effect Elvis at all? He said in an interview today that he is a much much better player compared to who he was last time he played in a 4-3. Dume said he understand the game alot better and that going back to the 4-3 wont cause him to take a step back at all.

Good interview, just cant remember where I read it. I think he could easily get 15+ sacks this year even in the 4-3.

I woul take 15 sacks from Dumervil. Millers first step is awesome. Someone to take some pressure off of Doom. I had pencilled in Doom for 12 sacks and Miller for 7. Let's hope there are more for both of them. :defense:

[Tned]

...is the real deal.

That is all.

I was in the group that thought Dareus was the guy we needed, but based on what I have read in reports from camp, and then watching him in the game on Saturday, I'm beginning to get sold on this kid.

I know it was the Bills and preseason, so I am trying to temper my enthusiasm, but some of those rushes he made were "wow" type rushes.

[BigSarge87]

Although I'm excited to see what happens this year, I still think we're one more stud DT and one more stud DE or LB away from possibly being something special on defense.

Still, the potential they are showing so far is a huge turn around for what has been such a poor defense for years.

[Agent of Orange]

Also, anyone notice how the transition from a 3-4 to a 4-3 hasnt seemed to effect Elvis at all? He said in an interview today that he is a much much better player compared to who he was last time he played in a 4-3. Dume said he understand the game alot better and that going back to the 4-3 wont cause him to take a step back at all.

Good interview, just cant remember where I read it. I think he could easily get 15+ sacks this year even in the 4-3.

Mike Nolan (before he was ran out of town) said it's easier to go from the 3-4 to the 4-3 than vice versa. I'm not sure if what you're saying about Doom is included in his reasoning but it seems like it would be.

[Agent of Orange]

I woul take 15 sacks from Dumervil. Millers first step is awesome. Someone to take some pressure off of Doom. I had pencilled in Doom for 12 sacks and Miller for 7. Let's hope there are more for both of them. :defense:

The thing thats nice is that having two of them should make things better for each of them individually. There's only so much help you can give in pass protection. So, if the opponent is giving help against Miller, it frees up Doom more, and vice versa.

[Agent of Orange]

BTW, I'm not sure how many people are familiar with this, so I thought I'd post it.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1184409/index.htm


Last fall Miller fought through an early-season right ankle injury to lead the Big 12 in sacks (10½) and the team in tackles for loss (17½) on the way to winning the Butkus Award as the nation's top linebacker. At the Senior Bowl, Miller proved his versatility, dominating in the trenches and in coverage. He killed at the combine with a mix of speed (his 4.53 seconds in the 40 was second among linebackers), strength (21 reps of 225 pounds) and hops (a 37-inch vertical). For every talent evaluator inclined to dismiss him as a mere workout wonder à la Vernon Gholston, five herald Miller as the second coming of Hall of Famer Derrick Thomas. Miller's trainer Dan Brandenburg, a former NFL linebacker, worked with first-round picks Sean Weatherspoon and Clay Matthews leading up to the last two drafts and thinks Miller is the best athlete of the three.

Food for thought.

Like many of you, I would be thrilled if he's as good as Clay Matthews Jr. but at the same time, by comparing him to Matthews, you might actually be limiting him.

People have been talking about his explosive first step but what hasnt been getting enough attention was how he was also able to contort his body and lean, which helped him get the corner. This is something that Elvis is also great at.

[vandammage13]

Von to be on the Scott Van Pelt radio show at 3:45 ET for those interested.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?s=espn

[ogplife]

Does anyone have video of his sack saturday? Can't find it on youtube or anywhere else online. Would like to see it.

[BeefStew25]

Von Doom sounds like a dude that would drown a high school senior in Aruba.

[Agent of Orange]

Does anyone have video of his sack saturday? Can't find it on youtube or anywhere else online. Would like to see it.

Just youtube "broncos bills" and their highlights will come up. The sack is on there. When I was looking for it, I first tried using Miller as a keyword but it was too specific. Broncos Bills worked though.

[Agent of Orange]

Von Doom sounds like a dude that would drown a high school senior in Aruba.

So, what you're saying is, if you're a high school senior in Aruba and you run into someone calling himself Von Doom, turn around and walk in the opposite direction?

[Watchthemiddle]

Watchign Von get off of the ball against Buffalo was like somethign I have NEVER seen in the Orange and Blue. I didn't even have a problem when he was called for offsides and sacked the QB. That alone makes that OT jumpy....and sooner or later teams are going to have to start doubling Doom or Von or BOTh and that is going to lead to picks by Champ and Goodman...or sacks by DJ or a safety.

Even though our D was dreadful last year, I think they might carry this team this year.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I was in the group that thought Dareus was the guy we needed, but based on what I have read in reports from camp, and then watching him in the game on Saturday, I'm beginning to get sold on this kid.

I know it was the Bills and preseason, so I am trying to temper my enthusiasm, but some of those rushes he made were "wow" type rushes.


I feared the "favor of the month" mentality with Miller. Someone who looked good for a year, but wasn't the dominant household name that tore up his opponents his whole career...like Dareus did. I agree it's only pre-season, but you can see hiow much better than he is than 2 NFL STARTING OTs...no matter who they play for.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Now, if only Robert Ayers would contribute a little...

[Dzone]

Now, if only Robert Ayers would contribute a little...

No kidding. Man, where has he been? I am assuming he is still on the team.

[gobroncsnv]

Yes ndeed, I've said it all along, pressure up front makes any CB better... Now hoping these 2 will be able to hold their ground, but being able to shoot ANY gap is just not a bad tactic on D line.

By the way, the real name of the first Norwegian Horror Metal Band was Abba... :>)

[tubby]

War #58

[bcbronc]

No kidding. Man, where has he been? I am assuming he is still on the team.

ya, the only minor defense I'll give Ayers is he's been playing a lot of DT so far this preseason...going from OLB to DT is a pretty big step. But if he can get to the point where he can consistently beat 1 on 1 blocking--especially if it's a TE or RB--we'll have uber-versatility in our pass rushers. Doom, Von and Ayers can all drop into coverage, and we've already begun to see the SS and NB coming on the blitz. I'm expecting a fun year on defense, and I'm stoked for it (not saying we're going to be a top defense in the league, but after what we've had the past while, even being average will be sensational!)

The only issue with Von Doom is they could be weak vs power running right at them. Other than that, as long as the DTs don't allow the QB to step up at will, we should have a pass rush at Mile High. When's the last time we could say that?

[Agent of Orange]

Now, if only Robert Ayers would contribute a little...

He's more worried about lecturing the fanbase.

[DenBronx]

For those of you interested.

Marcel Dareus hurt badly today, now on crutches.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/24/marcel-dareus-hurts-ankle-at-practice-seen-on-crutches/

[Dzone]

For those of you interested.

Marcel Dareus hurt badly today, now on crutches.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/24/marcel-dareus-hurts-ankle-at-practice-seen-on-crutches/
Ya, I just saw that. Damn.

[NightTerror218]

I think this is going to be Ayers last season with us. Unless he steps it up a lot. He might be cut at end of season. Or if he adds 50 pounds to become a DT.

[gobroncsnv]

Wouldn't mind at all a second coming of "The Tractor"... I kinda surmised the same about Joe Mays a while back.

[broncoFan!]

Now, if only Robert Ayers would contribute a little...

For real... wondering when Ayers decides to show up to games. The last time that happened was against the Titans. I'm beginning to think he is a bust. :(

[dogfish]

got to see him in person for the first time tonight, and his speed off the edge is flat nasty. . . should be fun to wtch this year. . .

[Agent of Orange]

got to see him in person for the first time tonight, and his speed off the edge is flat nasty. . . should be fun to wtch this year. . .

Doom and Von might be 1 and 2 as far as explosive pass rushers go. They're really incredible.

I just hope what we saw tonight translates to the regular season. Their closing speed is unreal.

[dogfish]

von miller, the QB killer. . . .



:defense::defense:

[Canmore]

von miller, the QB killer. . . .



:defense::defense:

I don't care what we call him as long as he produces sacks and hurries. :laugh: :defense:

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Haven't seen whole game yet, but Ayers looked to be a bit more involved from what I did see...

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Haven't seen whole game yet, but Ayers looked to be a bit more involved from what I did see...

I'm watching it right now. He seems to be that, "always the bridesmaid, never the bride", guy. He's always close to being in on the play, but never quite the guy to make it.

You'd think with all the attention that Von Doom receive, that Ayers would be able to shine only ever seeing one on one blocking. We'll see. He's got a year to prove himself in this new defense.

[bcbronc]

I'm watching it right now. He seems to be that, "always the bridesmaid, never the bride", guy. He's always close to being in on the play, but never quite the guy to make it.

You'd think with all the attention that Von Doom receive, that Ayers would be able to shine only ever seeing one on one blocking. We'll see. He's got a year to prove himself in this new defense.

I do remember one play where Von got Jackson to step up and Ayers was there for a QB knockdown that resulted in a 3rd down incompletion. That's a positive play.

As for the bridesmaid comment, part of it was how badly VonDoom were beating Seattle's tackles. Almost unfair to ask Ayers to get there faster than they were. :lol:

[Dapper Dan]

8554

[Pudge]

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**** skip bayless. I hate that guy

[SR]

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Skip is just mad because Von is proving him wrong. Von does disappear at times but five sacks, one interception, and two forced fumbles in the last two games when it mattered most is what I call "showing up".

[Dapper Dan]

Skip is just mad because Von is proving him wrong. Von does disappear at times but five sacks, one interception, and two forced fumbles in the last two games when it mattered most is what I call "showing up".

I should have noted it's from when he was drafted. Not sure what he's saying now. Probably that he knew Von would be a good player. :lol:

[SR]

I should have noted it's from when he was drafted. Not sure what he's saying now. Probably that he knew Von would be a good player. :lol:

MO said Skip was being a bitch yesterday too.

[TXBRONC]

Skip is just mad because Von is proving him wrong. Von does disappear at times but five sacks, one interception, and two forced fumbles in the last two games when it mattered most is what I call "showing up".

He's mad because Von beat up on his boy friend ****Tom Shady.

[MOtorboat]

Skip Bayless is a ******* moron.

Since they vacated Grantland for some stupid reason, I only go to ESPN for several things: All their radio shows are on locally and I like Lebetard and Rusillo, SVP's SportsCenter and Buster Olney, Jayson Stark and Tim Kirkjean. I don't listen to any of their NFL stuff.

[Hawgdriver]

I've quit espn altogether.

[BroncoNut]

did McDaniel's draft him?

[weazel]

retweet it to him... he will like that

[TXBRONC]

did McDaniel's draft him?

No.

[BroncoNut]

No.

Fox?

[The Glue Factory]

Fox?

No. Elway drafted him.

[BroncoNut]

No. Elway drafted him.

comeon man, under what HC?

[Joel]

comeon man, under what HC?
None: Elway was never under Fox. And you DID ask who DRAFTED Von; the answer's "John Elway." Seriously, Kubiak just won a SB his FIRST YEAR as head coach, installing a WHOLE NEW PLAYBOOK and keeping an aging, immobile surgically repaired QB (mostly) upright despite BOTH starting OTs being out ALL YEAR.

Fox couldn't win a SB his 3rd year, with Manning shattering records and a 5.5 TD/Int ratio; Kubiak did it his FIRST, with Manning benched for a 0.5 TD/Int ratio.

Either Kubiak's the greatest coach since Lombardi and Landry, or Fox is... not. Foxs SOLE claim to fame is coaching two different teams to SBs, but the guys who replaced him ALSO coached those teams to SBs, so what exactly has Fox accomplished? Third place in the NFCN.

If anything, Fox held Von BACK by shoehorning him into a 4-3, where our base gave us a choice between neglecting the Sams run-stuffing duties or wasting Vons pass-rushing ability, and our nickel wasted that pass-rushing ability by making him play with his hand in the dirt. Who not only drafted a prototypical 3-4 OLB, but outright SAID last offseason that he wanted the same Phillips 3-4 Denver had when he was our QB?

Sorry, not trying to be a dick, but Fox soy muy malo. He only looked good by comparison to McDumbass (which tells us how bad THAT guy was.... :rolleyes:)

[Dapper Dan]

I think Roger Goodell announced the pick.

[TXBRONC]

Fox?

Elway and Fox.

[Dapper Dan]

elway and fox.

efx?

[NightTerror218]

efx?

Xanders was apart of the Miller draft pick.

[BroncoNut]

None: Elway was never under Fox. And you DID ask who DRAFTED Von; the answer's "John Elway." Seriously, Kubiak just won a SB his FIRST YEAR as head coach, installing a WHOLE NEW PLAYBOOK and keeping an aging, immobile surgically repaired QB (mostly) upright despite BOTH starting OTs being out ALL YEAR.

Fox couldn't win a SB his 3rd year, with Manning shattering records and a 5.5 TD/Int ratio; Kubiak did it his FIRST, with Manning benched for a 0.5 TD/Int ratio.

Either Kubiak's the greatest coach since Lombardi and Landry, or Fox is... not. Foxs SOLE claim to fame is coaching two different teams to SBs, but the guys who replaced him ALSO coached those teams to SBs, so what exactly has Fox accomplished? Third place in the NFCN.


If anything, Fox held Von BACK by shoehorning him into a 4-3, where our base gave us a choice between neglecting the Sams run-stuffing duties or wasting Vons pass-rushing ability, and our nickel wasted that pass-rushing ability by making him play with his hand in the dirt. Who not only drafted a prototypical 3-4 OLB, but outright SAID last offseason that he wanted the same Phillips 3-4 Denver had when he was our QB?

Sorry, not trying to be a dick, but Fox soy muy malo. He only looked good by comparison to McDumbass (which tells us how bad THAT guy was.... :rolleyes:)

ok, this has clearly developed into a game of gymnastics, and yeah, I think you are trying to be a dick, and doing a good job of it I might add

[BroncoWave]

Skip Bayless is a ******* moron.

Since they vacated Grantland for some stupid reason, I only go to ESPN for several things: All their radio shows are on locally and I like Lebetard and Rusillo, SVP's SportsCenter and Buster Olney, Jayson Stark and Tim Kirkjean. I don't listen to any of their NFL stuff.

I put it on for some of the Super Bowl postgame stuff, and that's probably the first time I've tuned into ESPN for a non-sporting event in a long time.

[The Glue Factory]

But Fox soy muy malo. He only looked good by comparison to McDumbass (which tells us how bad THAT guy was.... :rolleyes:)

I need to find it but I recall posting when Fox was hired that he'd be here 3-5 years to rebuild what McDouchenuts destroyed and then we'd get the HC to get us a SB.

[GEM]

8554

He talks shit about Von Miller, but loved Tebow. Dude's a moron.

[BroncoJoe]

He talks shit about Von Miller, but loved Tebow. Dude's a moron.

Joel?

[TXBRONC]

He talks shit about Von Miller, but loved Tebow. Dude's a moron.

Are you feeling ok GEM? You're usually much colorful when talking about duche bags like Bayless. You got me worried.

[dogfish]

i'm pretty sure skip is yoshi's dad. . .