Broncos ranked 27th in preseason power rankings

[Northman]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings/_/year/2011/week/0

Denver (27)


I fear the first year of the John Fox regime will be a long, ugly one filled with Tim Tebow-related controversy. (Kuharsky)

[Dirk]

I don't know if I would have put them 27th but fair enough.

[Northman]

Yea, im not sure when they made this but considering that McCoy and Cleveland looked pretty good the other night vs the Packers (i know, its preseason but..) yet has them 28th kind of leaves me shaking my head. The Dolphins are 24th and i think they are in for a bigger world of hurt than the Browns or Broncos.

[Dirk]

Yea, im not sure when they made this but considering that McCoy and Cleveland looked pretty good the other night vs the Packers (i know, its preseason but..) yet has them 28th kind of leaves me shaking my head. The Dolphins are 24th and i think they are in for a bigger world of hurt than the Browns or Broncos.

I completely agree...but it's preseason..:laugh:

[spikerman]

I think it's fair. Denver was one of the two worst teams last year and, until they can show they are better than that when the real bullets are flying, they deserve to be ranked that low (if not lower).

[zbeg]

Yea, im not sure when they made this but considering that McCoy and Cleveland looked pretty good the other night vs the Packers (i know, its preseason but..) yet has them 28th kind of leaves me shaking my head. The Dolphins are 24th and i think they are in for a bigger world of hurt than the Browns or Broncos.

Preseason realllly doesn't matter that much when it comes to evaluating team strength. The Lions' preseason record the year they went 0-16?

4-0.

Yeahhh, preseason results are accurate. :-)

[Tned]

Wow, how the heck did we wind up 27th? What five teams are worse. ;)

Seriously, based on last year, so many questions including at QB, I can understand the low ranking. I certainly am hoping for a lot more, but I understand it.

[Juriga72]

Wow, how the heck did we wind up 27th? What five teams are worse. ;)

Seriously, based on last year, so many questions including at QB, I can understand the low ranking. I certainly am hoping for a lot more, but I understand it.

C'mon.... Kyle being able to score in the red zone in a pre-season game shows just how far we came.....:)

[Northman]

Preseason realllly doesn't matter that much when it comes to evaluating team strength. The Lions' preseason record the year they went 0-16?

4-0.

Yeahhh, preseason results are accurate. :-)

I realize that, however i think it would be fair to say its easy to see where some teams improved for the year prior and of course vice versa. I just dont see Miami being all that good this year, certainly not in the 24 range.

[Juriga72]

I realize that, however i think it would be fair to say its easy to see where some teams improved for the year prior and of course vice versa. I just dont see Miami being all that good this year, certainly not in the 24 range.

Their defense alone, improved running game.... Oh and NOT having Orton makes them a prohibitive favorite over us right now.

:cool:

[Northman]

Their defense alone, improved running game.... Oh and NOT having Orton makes them a prohibitive favorite over us right now.

:cool:

What improved running game? They lost both Brown and Williams this year. And Henne? Nah. Orton may be bad but he aint Hentai bad. :lol:

[HORSEPOWER 56]

I'd have put us 31st. We're still the second worst team in the league until we prove otherwise.

[Juriga72]

What improved running game? They lost both Brown and Williams this year. And Henne? Nah. Orton may be bad but he aint Hentai bad. :lol:

Drafted he kid out of K-State 2nd round, Reggie Bush pick up... Pouncy at Center.....


Still...Henne was MUCH better than Orton on 3rd downs!!!

57 %comp
73 qbr!!!!!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/8834/passing_splits.html

[HORSEPOWER 56]

What improved running game? They lost both Brown and Williams this year. And Henne? Nah. Orton may be bad but he aint Hentai bad. :lol:

Yeah, but we know from experience that Mike Nolan's defense is good for 6 wins right off the top... ;)

[vandammage13]

I realize that, however i think it would be fair to say its easy to see where some teams improved for the year prior and of course vice versa. I just dont see Miami being all that good this year, certainly not in the 24 range.

Miami has a really solid D, unlike us. They also have a promising (though unproven) rookie RB. Solid O-line and decent WR's....The only question mark they really have is QB, so I can definitely see them having a 8 or 9 win season easily.

I moved from Colorado Springs to South Florida for my job about 8 years ago, so Miami has kind of become my 2nd team, and I can tell you they are miles ahead of us....

[SOCALORADO.]

DEN should be in the bottom 4 until they prove otherwise.

[Northman]

The problem is, the rookie is unproven so cant really rely on that. Also, their division is ten times harder as well. 9 wins wont be that easy.

[DallasChief]

I hope 27th is accurate. I'd hate for Denver to get Andrew Luck.

[vandammage13]

The problem is, the rookie is unproven so cant really rely on that. Also, their division is ten times harder as well. 9 wins wont be that easy.

You are correct on both points, but I think the NFL has shown in recent years that finding a RB to put up solid production actually isn't that hard provided that you have a good O-line.

As far as the division, they do get Buffalo twice, Washington, Cleveland (and the Broncos). They normally find a way to split with NE most years.

[atwater27]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings/_/year/2011/week/0

Denver (27)

Dammit!!! That is not good enough to draft Luck. Man... When we need to suck ass, we can only come up with sucking eggs.

[Canmore]

I guessed we would be ranked 28th, not too far off. Hopefully we either climb out of this hole by seasons end or we fall all the way in it. I would hate to be 28th at the end of the season.

[hotcarl]

Dammit!!! That is not good enough to draft Luck. Man... When we need to suck ass, we can only come up with sucking eggs.

Andrew Luck? More like Canscrew **** - This syphillis ridden porn hound is going to be dead in week if he doesnt stop screwing everybody

[BroncoStud]

There isn't a team in the NFL that Denver could play, at home or away, and I would feel good about our chances. Even Carolina has some explosion and defense...

I just think this is a VERY bad Denver team and I think that Cinci is being vastly underrated, Carson Palmer has held that offense back in recent years.

[Jsteve01]

I hope 27th is accurate. I'd hate for Denver to get Andrew Luck.

shut up DC....btw how's the truck?

[Jsteve01]

There isn't a team in the NFL that Denver could play, at home or away, and I would feel good about our chances. Even Carolina has some explosion and defense...

I just think this is a VERY bad Denver team and I think that Cinci is being vastly underrated, Carson Palmer has held that offense back in recent years.

lmao you're right Carson was the problem...that's just hilarious

[slim]

I hope 27th is accurate. I'd hate for Denver to get Andrew Luck.

Well, since we have lost both starting DTs, this may need to be revised.

[broncofaninfla]

We are at the bottom of the barrel and rightfully so after the Mcd debacle, no where to go up but it will take a couple of years to get there.

[BroncoStud]

lmao you're right Carson was the problem...that's just hilarious

Palmer has been a problem, not the only problem, but a problem, yes. He isn't half the playe he was before the injuries. I'm glad you got a laugh out of it, you should try watching some football from time to time.

[DenBronx]

I long for the days when this team is a top 5 defense again.


The raiders are going to have a field day running on us if we dont do something about our DL.

[Canmore]

I long for the days when this team is a top 5 defense again.


The raiders are going to have a field day running on us if we dont do something about our DL.

The whole league must be licking their chops. The ones that play us are thrilled and the rest are jealous. :laugh:

[Cugel]

Yea, im not sure when they made this but considering that McCoy and Cleveland looked pretty good the other night vs the Packers (i know, its preseason but..) yet has them 28th kind of leaves me shaking my head. The Dolphins are 24th and i think they are in for a bigger world of hurt than the Browns or Broncos.

The Broncos at least have a QB who's mediocre in Kyle Orton. The Dolphins have no QB. It's a giant total mess.

That 24th ranking isn't going to last long once the Dolphins start the season.

Unfortunately, with the injuries to Warren & Thomas, the heart of the new defense is going to be on the disabled list to start the season and Warren will probably not play at all (his $4 million is probably the worst FA decision the Broncos have made since, well I'm trying to think. . . . Maybe CB Dale Carter back in 2000? :shocked:

What do you guys think? Maybe Travis Henry? Daryl Gardner? But Gardner didn't make NEARLY $4 million. There were some big-name guys who just came in for a cup of coffee, sucked briefly and didn't stick around: Sam Adams, Simeon Rice, Jimmy Kennedy. But, none of them got anything like $4 million either.

[Lancane]

Are any of us really surprised by this? That's my question... Any fan that believes we deserve to be higher is high on spiked orange kool-aid! We're rebuilding and our starting quarterback is mediocre, our cornerbacks are over the hill and our defensive tackles are all re-treads give Thomas.

Denver's next draft they'll have to draft a quarterback, a few defensive lineman - especially tackles, plus some cornerbacks.

[BroncoStud]

I'm not sure who Denver can beat... It would take a lot of luck to pull off some wins it seems. I really don't know if we will be favored in any games this season and Vegas has us winning between 5 and 6 games...

It's really a strange situation for us Denver fans, we haven't started a season facing this sort of defeatism in decades.

[Lancane]

I'm not sure who Denver can beat... It would take a lot of luck to pull off some wins it seems. I really don't know if we will be favored in any games this season and Vegas has us winning between 5 and 6 games...

It's really a strange situation for us Denver fans, we haven't started a season facing this sort of defeatism in decades.

I disagree, I believe a fair number of the fans felt far more defeatism last off-season under McDaniels. He had just gotten rid of Marshall, Thomas wasn't really showing much and Lloyd wasn't really favored to have a breakout season. Let alone all the other changes...it wasn't a grandiose start by any means.

[Cugel]

Are any of us really surprised by this? That's my question... Any fan that believes we deserve to be higher is high on spiked orange kool-aid! We're rebuilding and our starting quarterback is mediocre, our cornerbacks are over the hill and our defensive tackles are all re-treads give Thomas.

Denver's next draft they'll have to draft a quarterback, a few defensive lineman - especially tackles, plus some cornerbacks.

I wouldn't totally agree with this. There's nothing wrong with Champ Bailey and Goodman. Bailey is still an elite CB and Goodman is decent. That is the ONE position where the Broncos aren't currently in trouble!

If the Broncos had a decent pass-rush you would see better coverage downfield. But, give the QB 4 or 5 seconds to throw and it wouldn't matter if your CB was Deion Sanders, they're going to get completions. :coffee:

Denver's starting DTs last year were the worst in football. They were 32nd in the league in giving up rushing TDs and that's probably the worst stat you can have.

So, they signed Ty Warren who was an excellent DT -- a few years ago, but who missed the entire 2010 season due to hip injury.

His hip was supposedly fine, but clearly the Patriots were onto something when they failed him at his physical due to "conditioning issues." When a player is desperately trying to work themselves into football shape after a long layoff due to serious injury where they couldn't work out properly, another injury is likely.

So this isn't a total surprise. The Broncos desperately need to draft an elite DT but if they didn't do it this year I don't see it happening next season either.

They will need to use their #1 pick on a QB to come in and compete with Tebow (unless Fox decides to re-sign Orton).

And if the team struggles to win 6 or 7 games I can't see them re-signing Orton.

MOST of the hope for an improved season was based on the defensive improvement that was supposedly going to take place.

Only most of that improvement was going to be due to signing a few key veterans: Ty Warren, Bunkley being the best of them.

Now I don't know how bad they will be without Warren and Thomas to start the season; but I guess we'll find out! :shocked:

[Cugel]

I disagree, I believe a fair number of the fans felt far more defeatism last off-season under McDaniels. He had just gotten rid of Marshall, Thomas wasn't really showing much and Lloyd wasn't really favored to have a breakout season. Let alone all the other changes...it wasn't a grandiose start by any means.

Logically, you are right. It's just that a lot of fans were still drinking the McDaniels cool-aid to start 2010: "they were 8-8 last year (2009) and yet the haters are acting like this is a 4-12 team! They will be just fine! I predict 10-6! Whoo! Hoo! Go Broncos!"

Well, who was right? :coffee:

[Stargazer]

It would take a lot of luck to pull off some wins it seems. I really don't know if we will be favored in any games this season and Vegas has us winning between 5 and 6 games...


That sounds about right. This team will be pwned this year.

[NightTerror218]

I wouldn't totally agree with this. There's nothing wrong with Champ Bailey and Goodman. Bailey is still an elite CB and Goodman is decent. That is the ONE position where the Broncos aren't currently in trouble!

If the Broncos had a decent pass-rush you would see better coverage downfield. But, give the QB 4 or 5 seconds to throw and it wouldn't matter if your CB was Deion Sanders, they're going to get completions. :coffee:

Denver's starting DTs last year were the worst in football. They were 32nd in the league in giving up rushing TDs and that's probably the worst stat you can have.

So, they signed Ty Warren who was an excellent DT -- a few years ago, but who missed the entire 2010 season due to hip injury.

His hip was supposedly fine, but clearly the Patriots were onto something when they failed him at his physical due to "conditioning issues." When a player is desperately trying to work themselves into football shape after a long layoff due to serious injury where they couldn't work out properly, another injury is likely.

So this isn't a total surprise. The Broncos desperately need to draft an elite DT but if they didn't do it this year I don't see it happening next season either.

They will need to use their #1 pick on a QB to come in and compete with Tebow (unless Fox decides to re-sign Orton).

And if the team struggles to win 6 or 7 games I can't see them re-signing Orton.

MOST of the hope for an improved season was based on the defensive improvement that was supposedly going to take place.

Only most of that improvement was going to be due to signing a few key veterans: Ty Warren, Bunkley being the best of them.

Now I don't know how bad they will be without Warren and Thomas to start the season; but I guess we'll find out! :shocked:

2012 come on Worthy.

[SOCALORADO.]

2012 come on Worthy.

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[NightTerror218]

http://www.latimes.com/includes/soundslides/2009photos/43.jpg

I think Seattle is going to take him in the draft. I think they are going to tank with Jackson behind center.

[SOCALORADO.]

I think Seattle is going to take him in the draft. I think they are going to tank with Jackson behind center.

Yeah, i could see that, I could also see them bringing in Palmer for a year as a veteran to transition with. Not that i think they need to, but it would be nice to have a vet.
I still think SEA is waaay better than DEN, and DEN will finish within the top 4 picks.

[TXBRONC]

Yea, im not sure when they made this but considering that McCoy and Cleveland looked pretty good the other night vs the Packers (i know, its preseason but..) yet has them 28th kind of leaves me shaking my head. The Dolphins are 24th and i think they are in for a bigger world of hurt than the Browns or Broncos.

Are kidding? The Dolphins have the dynamic duo of Chad Henne and Matt Moore at quarterback.

[Jsteve01]

Yeah, i could see that, I could also see them bringing in Palmer for a year as a veteran to transition with. Not that i think they need to, but it would be nice to have a vet.
I still think SEA is waaay better than DEN, and DEN will finish within the top 4 picks.

Im not sold on Carrol's team. Please, please convince me that Matt Barkley is good. I just see the next Jimmy Claussen

[NightTerror218]

Yeah, i could see that, I could also see them bringing in Palmer for a year as a veteran to transition with. Not that i think they need to, but it would be nice to have a vet.
I still think SEA is waaay better than DEN, and DEN will finish within the top 4 picks.

Palmer is retired and the owner wont let him out of contract or trade him so he is stuck as a bengal for life or can stay retired.

[SOCALORADO.]

Palmer is retired and the owner wont let him out of contract or trade him so he is stuck as a bengal for life or can stay retired.

Oh! I thought after a player "retired", they were free from their contractual obligations after a year. I have seen many discussions where Palmer is free to go where he wants after this season ends. But i honestly dont know.

[SOCALORADO.]

Im not sold on Carrol's team. Please, please convince me that Matt Barkley is good. I just see the next Jimmy Claussen

The problem with Claussen.

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[Lancane]

The problem with Claussen.

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Claussen looks like Sloth from the Goonies! :lol:

[SOCALORADO.]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JO2OK5G8gZI/S86BgM_SuwI/AAAAAAAABpw/_wPie8SMpL4/s1600/clausenbeerpong.jpg

[NightTerror218]

Oh! I thought after a player "retired", they were free from their contractual obligations after a year. I have seen many discussions where Palmer is free to go where he wants after this season ends. But i honestly dont know.

The same thing happened with Tiki Barber this year, he had to be released by the Giants before he could look for a new team.

[Lancane]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JO2OK5G8gZI/S86BgM_SuwI/AAAAAAAABpw/_wPie8SMpL4/s1600/clausenbeerpong.jpg

That picture is truly disturbing! :eek:

[DallasChief]

shut up DC....btw how's the truck?

The truck is good. I need some new rims.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Are any of us really surprised by this? That's my question... Any fan that believes we deserve to be higher is high on spiked orange kool-aid! We're rebuilding and our starting quarterback is mediocre, our cornerbacks are over the hill and our defensive tackles are all re-treads give Thomas.

Denver's next draft they'll have to draft a quarterback, a few defensive lineman - especially tackles, plus some cornerbacks.

re-treads and never-weres... If you're going to point out the truth, might as well go all the way...

;)

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Oh! I thought after a player "retired", they were free from their contractual obligations after a year. I have seen many discussions where Palmer is free to go where he wants after this season ends. But i honestly dont know.

Nope. If they still have time left on their contract (Palmer has 2 more years remaining) that time is in limbo until he returns to the field. Why do you think Barry Sanders never tried to come back and play for a different team after a year and win a ring? Because no matter what, Detroit owned his rights and they had to either trade or release him.

If Jake Plummer decided tomorrow that he was making a comeback, The Bucs would own his rights because that's where he was traded before retiring no matter how long the layoff has been.

When Eddie Quittison pulled the "retired" crap with us and then signed with the Queefs, Shanny honestly believed Quittison was retiring and he released him from his contract. That's why he could sign with another team. Brown knows Palmer is just trying to force a trade and if he was released, he'd immediately sign with a different team.

[Jsteve01]

The truck is good. I need some new rims.

i thought you bought those like 8 mos ago

[DallasChief]

i thought you bought those like 8 mos ago

I never got around to it. Wanted to wait until I needed new tires too.

[BroncoNut]

it would be awesome if we were ranked no. 1

[BroncoNut]

The truck is good. I need some new rims.

you need a new rim job is what I think you meant