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Denver Native (Carol)
08-08-2011, 12:24 PM
John Fox began his NFL coaching career as a defensive backs coach under Chuck Noll​.

And this just in: Noll knew a thing or two about defense and championships. The hardware that sparkles in the Steelers' complex is more than proof of that as is the legacy of the Steel Curtain.

In his time as a defensive coach, especially as a defensive coordinator and head coach, Fox has since proved he knows exactly what to do with proficient edge rushers.

rest of article - http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18635170?source=rss

NightTerror218
08-08-2011, 12:25 PM
rest of article - http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18635170?source=rss


I heard a name for them today....Von Doom.....Tim Lynch wants to call them "The Show"

Superchop 7
08-08-2011, 12:34 PM
The show works for me.

slim
08-08-2011, 01:19 PM
If we can't stop the run, it won't matter.

Agent of Orange
08-08-2011, 01:33 PM
If we can't stop the run, it won't matter.

Yeah it will. People need to remember that we were also pitiful on 3rd downs because we had no pass rush. This, in turn, allows the opposing offense to stay on the field and amass more rushing yards. If we can get off the field on 3rd downs, it would really help the defense cut down the rushing yards allowed. The other thing too is that a pash rush can help generate more turnovers. With more turnovers, there should be more occasions where the other team falls behind and won't feel like they have the luxury of running all game. This is especially true if our offense can get back to running the football in a dedicated meaningful kind of way.

There are a lot of moving parts, where if some of them work, the defense against the run can improve.

Clipworthy
08-08-2011, 01:34 PM
can't we just nickname them "pass" and "rush", since it's been so long :defense:

tomjonesrocks
08-08-2011, 02:37 PM
If we can't stop the run, it won't matter.

It's fine. Just tell 'The Show' they have to get there before the handoff..

xzn
08-08-2011, 03:59 PM
I like "Von Doom", kinda snappy...

xzn
08-08-2011, 04:13 PM
What really gives me wood is thinking about Ayers playing for the first time in his natural position, that's the cherry on top of Von Doom's Pass Rush Sunday!

But if Vick / Bunk / Ty / Marcus don't stop the run first there won't be any Ice Cream...

Rick
08-08-2011, 04:35 PM
I just wish Ayers was more a pass rushing specialist.

I have read a bunch of scouting reports on him today and seems he was never really one thought of as a pass rush specialist.

1 on 1 seems he might do well so the attention that Doom and Miller get might really help him out.

Most scouting had him as a solid run stopper but not a pass rush guru.

Says he was decent at collapsing pocket but not really the closer.



ATHLETIC REPORT

GRADE: 6.14

Explosion/Pursuit: Ayers does not display an explosive first step off the snap, nor does he have blazing closing quickness, two critical factors in finding a quality edge rusher. He has the agility to redirect in-line and varies his speed to slip past and avoid blockers. When he is isolated or coming off the edge, he shows the hand usage and hip dip to get off the ball and gain penetration. He shows very good hand usage (rip and swim moves) in order to defeat the initial block, showing a nice arm cross over move to break free. GRADE: 6.0

Strength at Point: Ayers is "field strong" but not so in the weight room, as he delivers very good jolt behind his hand punch. He lacks ideal bulk and size, but can hold ground at the point of attack when he plays with leverage (easily pushed back when he stands too tall). Even with adequate strength, he can disengage when he keeps his hands active. Still, he needs to be effective vs. the run, as he does not have the leg drive to consistently split or play the double team. He has better leverage than strength to anchor and hold his ground? GRADE: 6.1

Use of Hands: Ayers has very good hand usage in one-on-one battles and can separate and get off the line when he keeps his hands in front to control the blocker. There are times that he struggles to shed, but will try to work across the block to the ball. When he is freed up, he shows good pursuit and effort to make plays. He relies more on leverage to play off blocks due to his adequate overall strength. In 2008, he showed marked improvement in using his hands to guard his legs vs. the chop block, but is still susceptible to them when he gets too tall in his stride. GRADE: 6.5

Lateral Pursuit/Effort: His lack of a sudden closing burst working in-line is evident, but when he plays off the edge, he can be disruptive in the pass rush, but gets more QB pressures than sacks. He lacks sharp change-of-direction agility, but when he can slip off blocks, he will show good effort in his pursuit. GRADE: 5.8

Tackling Ability: A good tackler at the line, but will struggle more in space. He plays with a lot of effort and can pursue. He has improved his wrap-up tackling technique and makes every effort to arm tackle. When he gets free in the backfield, he does not miss much in getting to and taking down the ballcarrier. He hits with enough force to stop the ballcarrier at the line of scrimmage. He is better making plays when he faces up and is in position rather than in the open field. GRADE: 6.2

Run Defense: Ayers showed in 2008 that he is consistent getting leverage to take on blockers. He can usually control the isolated blocker with good hand quickness and foot balance. There are times where he can get high off the ball and, because of his lack of ideal strength at the point, he struggles to neutralize. However, he does a decent job to anchor, staying low in his pads. He had problems vs. offensive tackles and tight ends when they covered him up and he failed to contain. With added experience in 2008, he showed he can stack, shed, extend and slide to make the plays on the corner. He is slippery at the line with his rip and swim moves, making it difficult for the tackles to make a reach block on him. GRADE: 7.7

Pass Rush: Ayers is really not a good pass rusher, more the type that will pressure the pocket than seal the deal and close on the QB. He lacks that explosive first step off the snap, but can vary his speed to get the offensive tackle off kilter. In 2008, he showed better body control and hand usage to avoid blocks and work around them to put pressure on the pocket. He still needs to utilize his array of moves more often in order to be effective. He has developed enough quickness to pressure, but has problems when he has to play off blocks when working inside (strength issues). GRADE: 6.1

Closing on the QB: Ayers can put good pressure on the pocket once he clears his blocker, but does take a wide loop at times. He needs to play with more consistent aggression, as he gets too reliant on his hand punch and can be locked out when that fails. He can deliver a knockout blow on the quarterback when coming off the edge, but just lacks the sudden moves to close and his adequate initial step is not going to have great success beating beats the quicker blockers off the snap at the NFL level. GRADE: 5.4

Instincts/Recognition: Overall, Ayers is a good athlete, who looks to be developing physically, but still needs strength development. He is better locating the ball on the move than when playing in-line, where he can beat double teams, but will get taken down due to poor awareness sidestepping low blocks. His production is decent against the pass, but better against the run. He needs to locate the ball better when working down the line, but when he gets into the backfield, he can zero in on his target. He has improved his ability to sniff out the play, but struggles vs. the double teams in passing situations due to just average overall body strength. GRADE: 5.5

OVERALL GRADE: 6.10

Compares To: MARK ANDERSON, Chicago -- Ayers might be the rising star at this position, or 2008 could have just been an aberration. He had three so-so years and even in 2008, it was not until the second half of the season that he started living up to his high school headlines. He might not have the suddenness to play the edge in NFL, but might be a decent fit as an under tackle.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/518624

Pairing his more run defense specialty with a LBer like Von that is a pass rusher might really not be a horrid idea if Ayers can truly handle the run.

xzn
08-08-2011, 04:50 PM
ATHLETIC REPORT

GRADE: 6.14

Explosion/Pursuit: Ayers does not display an explosive first step off the snap, nor does he have blazing closing quickness, two critical factors in finding a quality edge rusher. He has the agility to redirect in-line and varies his speed to slip past and avoid blockers. When he is isolated or coming off the edge, he shows the hand usage and hip dip to get off the ball and gain penetration. He shows very good hand usage (rip and swim moves) in order to defeat the initial block, showing a nice arm cross over move to break free. GRADE: 6.0

Strength at Point: Ayers is "field strong" but not so in the weight room, as he delivers very good jolt behind his hand punch. He lacks ideal bulk and size, but can hold ground at the point of attack when he plays with leverage (easily pushed back when he stands too tall). Even with adequate strength, he can disengage when he keeps his hands active. Still, he needs to be effective vs. the run, as he does not have the leg drive to consistently split or play the double team. He has better leverage than strength to anchor and hold his ground? GRADE: 6.1

Use of Hands: Ayers has very good hand usage in one-on-one battles and can separate and get off the line when he keeps his hands in front to control the blocker. There are times that he struggles to shed, but will try to work across the block to the ball. When he is freed up, he shows good pursuit and effort to make plays. He relies more on leverage to play off blocks due to his adequate overall strength. In 2008, he showed marked improvement in using his hands to guard his legs vs. the chop block, but is still susceptible to them when he gets too tall in his stride. GRADE: 6.5

Lateral Pursuit/Effort: His lack of a sudden closing burst working in-line is evident, but when he plays off the edge, he can be disruptive in the pass rush, but gets more QB pressures than sacks. He lacks sharp change-of-direction agility, but when he can slip off blocks, he will show good effort in his pursuit. GRADE: 5.8

Tackling Ability: A good tackler at the line, but will struggle more in space. He plays with a lot of effort and can pursue. He has improved his wrap-up tackling technique and makes every effort to arm tackle. When he gets free in the backfield, he does not miss much in getting to and taking down the ballcarrier. He hits with enough force to stop the ballcarrier at the line of scrimmage. He is better making plays when he faces up and is in position rather than in the open field. GRADE: 6.2

Run Defense: Ayers showed in 2008 that he is consistent getting leverage to take on blockers. He can usually control the isolated blocker with good hand quickness and foot balance. There are times where he can get high off the ball and, because of his lack of ideal strength at the point, he struggles to neutralize. However, he does a decent job to anchor, staying low in his pads. He had problems vs. offensive tackles and tight ends when they covered him up and he failed to contain. With added experience in 2008, he showed he can stack, shed, extend and slide to make the plays on the corner. He is slippery at the line with his rip and swim moves, making it difficult for the tackles to make a reach block on him. GRADE: 7.7

Pass Rush: Ayers is really not a good pass rusher, more the type that will pressure the pocket than seal the deal and close on the QB. He lacks that explosive first step off the snap, but can vary his speed to get the offensive tackle off kilter. In 2008, he showed better body control and hand usage to avoid blocks and work around them to put pressure on the pocket. He still needs to utilize his array of moves more often in order to be effective. He has developed enough quickness to pressure, but has problems when he has to play off blocks when working inside (strength issues). GRADE: 6.1

Closing on the QB: Ayers can put good pressure on the pocket once he clears his blocker, but does take a wide loop at times. He needs to play with more consistent aggression, as he gets too reliant on his hand punch and can be locked out when that fails. He can deliver a knockout blow on the quarterback when coming off the edge, but just lacks the sudden moves to close and his adequate initial step is not going to have great success beating beats the quicker blockers off the snap at the NFL level. GRADE: 5.4

Instincts/Recognition: Overall, Ayers is a good athlete, who looks to be developing physically, but still needs strength development. He is better locating the ball on the move than when playing in-line, where he can beat double teams, but will get taken down due to poor awareness sidestepping low blocks. His production is decent against the pass, but better against the run. He needs to locate the ball better when working down the line, but when he gets into the backfield, he can zero in on his target. He has improved his ability to sniff out the play, but struggles vs. the double teams in passing situations due to just average overall body strength. GRADE: 5.5

OVERALL GRADE: 6.10

Compares To: MARK ANDERSON, Chicago -- Ayers might be the rising star at this position, or 2008 could have just been an aberration. He had three so-so years and even in 2008, it was not until the second half of the season that he started living up to his high school headlines. He might not have the suddenness to play the edge in NFL, but might be a decent fit as an under tackle.

The underlined parts seem to back up my statement that he will benefit from getting more isolation blocking. I hope he's improved his functional strength after two years of being in the league now. I just see him getting a lot of "scraps" from the table, on which Von Doom dines.

NightTerror218
08-08-2011, 04:55 PM
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The D-line is working on batting away passes at the line using from a JUGS machine. Von Miller did drill too -- caught the balls one-handed.

LTC Pain
08-08-2011, 04:57 PM
Maybe 25 QB sacks from "Von Doom" this season???

xzn
08-08-2011, 05:03 PM
Maybe 25 QB sacks from "Von Doom" this season???

That's a lofty goal, but we can dream, right:defense:

It's been since 1991 that Denver had two guys with 10+ sacks in the same season. Croel and Fletcher.

Jsteve01
08-08-2011, 05:09 PM
That's a lofty goal, but we can dream, right:defense:

It's been since 1991 that Denver had two guys with 10+ sacks in the same season. Croel and Fletcher.

Please don't jinx Von by saying that name. lol

I honestly don't think 25 is unattainable. These guys will also help the turnover game and create sack for our interior guys.

powderaddict
08-08-2011, 07:06 PM
If we can't stop the run, it won't matter.

Yes, exactly. If you cant fix everything it's silly to make improvements and build a foundation elsewhere.

We might as well not even play the games as its obviously hopeless.

NightTerror218
08-08-2011, 07:20 PM
Yes, exactly. If you cant fix everything it's silly to make improvements and build a foundation elsewhere.

We might as well not even play the games as its obviously hopeless.

I hope that the fact of a 4-3 will help more in the running game. Just more bodies to try and wrap up the RB. But if they are just warm bodies doing nothing then it doesnt help.

Nomad
08-08-2011, 07:30 PM
I'm sure slim is very happy with the BRONCOS building up the pass rush defense, but as he alluded to, they will be non existent if the BRONCOS suck and can't stop the run. Teams will have no reason to pass, so Von Doom better bring the whole package.....run defense and pass defense. The Dline is suspect as of now!

T.K.O.
08-08-2011, 07:57 PM
Jean Claude Von Doome.....? somebody get to work on the "photo shop" job !!!:laugh:

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