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rationalfan
08-01-2011, 11:00 AM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/08/01/broncos-agree-to-terms-on-de-derrick-harvey/8520/


we'll see if he makes it out of camp.

rationalfan
08-01-2011, 11:02 AM
also found this quite interesting, perhaps even hopeful, from the Denver Post:

"The Broncos also are of a mind that, because of their 4-12 finish last season, they sit in the No. 2 spot for waiver claims. Which means when rosters go to 75 players later in training camp and then 53 just before the regular season, the Broncos are second in line to claim any released players, behind only Carolina.

The Broncos believe some quality players will be available when those cuts come. They also believe that in the No. 2 spot, they'll be able to claim most, or all, of the players they want at that time.

So they see that waiver time as part of free agency as well.

The strategy has a chance to work on defense, but only if Dumervil returns to his 2009 form and Miller is everything they hope he can be. And again, the Broncos couldn't fix everything in one offseason, especially one that included a lockout, so no matter how it goes this season, they'll still have work to do on that side of the ball next offseason."

entire article here: http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18590384

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08-01-2011, 11:04 AM
Haggan moved back to LB. Surely doesn't look as if he is going to make it.

I like that guy, too . . .

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BroncoStud
08-01-2011, 11:04 AM
Is there a punchline to this offseason or is IT the punchline?

SOCALORADO.
08-01-2011, 11:19 AM
What a freakin circus.

BigSarge87
08-01-2011, 11:20 AM
So, supposedly we're getting some cap relief thursday when old cap penalties come off the books (please validate if this isn't the case).

If so, under the new CBA rules we have to spend a certain percent of the cap (not sure what our number is).

Since most of the good FA's are gone, is that going to force us to spend money on guys that really don't improve our team just to meet the new minimum cap requirement?

Won't this perpetuate the salary cap problem into next year?

I hope some of you can explain this a bit. Please use small words for us simple folk.

Traveler
08-01-2011, 11:27 AM
also found this quite interesting, perhaps even hopeful, from the Denver Post:

"The Broncos also are of a mind that, because of their 4-12 finish last season, they sit in the No. 2 spot for waiver claims. Which means when rosters go to 75 players later in training camp and then 53 just before the regular season, the Broncos are second in line to claim any released players, behind only Carolina.

The Broncos believe some quality players will be available when those cuts come. They also believe that in the No. 2 spot, they'll be able to claim most, or all, of the players they want at that time.

So they see that waiver time as part of free agency as well.

The strategy has a chance to work on defense, but only if Dumervil returns to his 2009 form and Miller is everything they hope he can be. And again, the Broncos couldn't fix everything in one offseason, especially one that included a lockout, so no matter how it goes this season, they'll still have work to do on that side of the ball next offseason."

entire article here: http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18590384

Hopeful?

As I said in another thread, I do applaud them for not overpaying for older players on the downside of their careers.

For the life of me though, I can't believe they are banking on finding waiver wire cuts in FA to fill void along the DL.

Let the rebuild continue. We'll just have to wait till next year to focus more on the DL. At least I hope so.

rationalfan
08-01-2011, 11:28 AM
So, supposedly we're getting some cap relief thursday when old cap penalties come off the books (please validate if this isn't the case).

If so, under the new CBA rules we have to spend a certain percent of the cap (not sure what our number is).

Since most of the good FA's are gone, is that going to force us to spend money on guys that really don't improve our team just to meet the new minimum cap requirement?

Won't this perpetuate the salary cap problem into next year?

I hope some of you can explain this a bit. Please use small words for us simple folk.


no idea on any of the cap stuff - makes my head tremor. but i'm not too worried about the broncos missing on the big free agents. my memory is far from perfect, but i don't recall a team that "won" the free agency period winning a super bowl in the past decade.

i'm cool with the team scouring for hidden jems or lunchpail players and trying to build through the draft. it's not a quick fix, but i think the quick fix has more negatives than people consider.

HORSEPOWER 56
08-01-2011, 11:30 AM
Anyone know who hey cut to make room? We were at 90 before this.

NightTerror218
08-01-2011, 11:31 AM
Hopeful?

As I said in another thread, I do applaud them for not overpaying for older players on the downside of their careers.

For the life of me though, I can't believe they are banking on finding waiver wire cuts in FA to fill void along the DL.

Let the rebuild continue. We'll just have to wait till next year to focus more on the DL. At least I hope so.



EFX is looking at 2 DT right now, they are not just waiting.

HORSEPOWER 56
08-01-2011, 11:32 AM
Haggan moved back to LB. Surely doesn't look as if he is going to make it.


I like that guy, too . . .

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I'd be almost more willing to believe that Haggan would stay over most of the other backup LBs. Haggan has starting experience and in some games was our best LB last year. I could actually see Mohamed cut before Haggan. Haggan is a team guy and is well liked and was a captain. Mohamed was a late round pick.

turftoad
08-01-2011, 11:34 AM
EFX is looking at 2 DT right now, they are not just waiting.

Any idea who they are?

NightTerror218
08-01-2011, 11:35 AM
I'd be almost more willing to believe that Haggan would stay over most of the other backup LBs. Haggan has starting experience and in some games was our best LB last year. I could actually see Mohamed cut before Haggan. Haggan is a team guy and is well liked and was a captain. Mohamed was a late round pick.


Yah.....that wont happen. He will not cut a draft pick unless he really sucks it up.

NightTerror218
08-01-2011, 11:35 AM
Any idea who they are?


Ty Warren and Jamaal Anderson

Bosco
08-01-2011, 11:42 AM
And meanwhile we still have NO GODDAMN DEFENSIVE TACKLES. :mad:


Ty Warren and Jamaal Anderson

Anderson is a defensive end, not tackle.

SOCALORADO.
08-01-2011, 11:43 AM
Ty Warren and Jamaal Anderson

Wow. Just wow.

http://www.zieak.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/no_dumpster_diving.gif

broncofaninfla
08-01-2011, 11:44 AM
He won't make the final roster. This kid does not belong in the NFL. Great in college but classic underacheiver in the NFL.

HORSEPOWER 56
08-01-2011, 11:45 AM
Yah.....that wont happen. He will not cut a draft pick unless he really sucks it up.

Teams cut late round draft picks all the time in camp. I remember the Cardinals a couple years ago cut their third round pick that year - in camp. We cut Maurice Clarrett who we wasted a 3rd round pick on.

Guys like Mohamed (who probably would've gone undrafted had we not taken him) are more than likely going to be cut and then we'll attempt to put him on the practice squad if he's not claimed.

I just don't see him beating out Miller, DJ, Woodyard, Haggan, Irving, and Mays who will probably be our opening day guys. Now that we're back to a 4-3, we'll carry less LBs on the roster and more DL.

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08-01-2011, 11:56 AM
And meanwhile we still have NO GODDAMN DEFENSIVE TACKLES. :mad:

Anderson is a defensive end, not tackle.

Wasn't Anderson a DE in the 3-4? I thought I read something to the effect that
he might move inside in the 4-3? Or maybe I'm thinking of someone else? :confused:

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Stargazer
08-01-2011, 12:02 PM
http://www.zieak.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/no_dumpster_diving.gif

Needs to be shown again.

SOCALORADO.
08-01-2011, 12:04 PM
Wasn't Anderson a DE in the 3-4? I thought I read something to the effect that
he might move inside in the 4-3? Or maybe I'm thinking of someone else? :confused:

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LOL! Jeez, man you knows it bad when you are trying to rack your brain to remember if a player was possibly versatile enough to maybe, possibly play another position that we just so happen to desperately have a need for him to play.
Jamal Anderson is a 3rd down, pure DE, pass rushing "specialist" and nothing more. and hes not even "special" at that.

silkamilkamonico
08-01-2011, 12:40 PM
Needs to be shown again.

Not really sure why people are surprised at the lack of quality, considering there aren't any quality DT's that are realistically available right now.

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08-01-2011, 01:14 PM
LOL! Jeez, man you knows it bad when you are trying to rack your brain to remember if a player was possibly versatile enough to maybe, possibly play another position that we just so happen to desperately have a need for him to play.
Jamal Anderson is a 3rd down, pure DE, pass rushing "specialist" and nothing more. and hes not even "special" at that.

Could be. I wasn't making any kind of argument. Just thought I might have recalled something . . .

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SOCALORADO.
08-01-2011, 01:20 PM
Could be. I wasn't making any kind of argument. Just thought I might have recalled something . . .

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Thats exactly what i am saying! LOL!
Just the simple fact that you think you might have, possibly thought that maybe you read somewhere that Jamal could maybe, possibly play at DT, given the perfect circumstances, just shows how bad it really is.
The fact that you are forced by the FO to rack your brain about a player and the DT position is what is so pathetic.

Lancane
08-01-2011, 01:28 PM
Not really sure why people are surprised at the lack of quality, considering there aren't any quality DT's that are realistically available right now.

I'll restate what I said in another thread, the problem is quite literally the fact that the position has been neglected for so long that the likes of Mebane, Branch and Okoye seem like All-Pro's to us, because they're better then what we as fans are use to at the position. And we've seen this before from other regimes, so a lot of us are saying "Not this shit again!"

Take Tops' respect for Orton or Plummer, we're so use to second-tier quarterbacks like Plummer, Griese, Brister, Orton and so on that he feels a need to defend them, we only had Cutler for a couple years so we did not get the time to really have it sink in what a legit quarterback looks like, especially when the basis in Denver will always be Elway. Still, it's something we've seen before, remember everyone defending the Browncos' D-Line, or Nash and Lelie, we're so use to mediocre talent that we're surprised when we actually have some and are so desperate for talent that we feel slighted when we don't even get second tier talent. Just my opinion of course!

:D

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08-01-2011, 01:32 PM
Thats exactly what i am saying! LOL!
Just the simple fact that you think you might have, possibly thought that maybe you read somewhere that Jamal could maybe, possibly play at DT, given the perfect circumstances, just shows how bad it really is.
The fact that you are forced by the FO to rack your brain about a player and the DT position is what is so pathetic.

Socal, I'm not sure what you're getting at.

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08-01-2011, 01:40 PM
I'll restate what I said in another thread, the problem is quite literally the fact that the position has been neglected for so long that the likes of Mebane, Branch and Okoye seem like All-Pro's to us, because they're better then what we as fans are use to at the position. And we've seen this before from other regimes, so a lot of us are saying "Not this shit again!"

Take Tops' respect for Orton or Plummer, we're so use to second-tier quarterbacks like Plummer, Griese, Brister, Orton and so on that he feels a need to defend them, we only had Cutler for a couple years so we did not get the time to really have it sink in what a legit quarterback looks like, especially when the basis in Denver will always be Elway. Still, it's something we've seen before, remember everyone defending the Browncos' D-Line, or Nash and Lelie, we're so use to mediocre talent that we're surprised when we actually have some and are so desperate for talent that we feel slighted when we don't even get second tier talent. Just my opinion of course!

:D

No, this is where people have taken me wrong all along - mostly, I suspect,
because of their hatred for Orton. But what I was doing all along was trying
to correct errors and falsehoods about him. I spent hours upon hours studying
Orton (and I will tell you spending that much time on a football player is a
huge waste), and I had to speak up to correct the errant claims. But all that
got me was the reputation I now have and about a dozen Tebow sycophants
on Iggy. Which is why I don't say a whole lot about Orton anymore.

Regarding Plummer, he indeed had elite talent. Shanny saw that, and even
Walsh, who personally coached Montana, compared Plummer to Montana.
However, when I finally saw Plummer's lack of desire and devotion, I changed
my tune somewhat, about which you must have forgotten. Still, I liked getting
your and Mtnman's goat about it. :D Those were the days . . .

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slim
08-01-2011, 01:41 PM
Not really sure why people are surprised at the lack of quality, considering there aren't any quality DT's that are realistically available right now.

The deepest FA class (probably) ever and they chose to sit on the sidelines and watch the quality guys drift buy.

Normally I don't buy into FA signings (usually means you are paying big money for someone else’s garbage), but this year there were plenty of bodies available that normally wouldn't be (for obvious reasons).

Lancane
08-01-2011, 01:43 PM
No, this is where people have taken me wrong all along - mostly, I suspect,
because of their hatred for Orton. But what I was doing all along was trying
to correct errors and falsehoods about him. I spent hours upon hours studying
Orton (and I will tell you spending that much time on a football player is a
huge waste), and I had to speak up to correct the errant claims. But all that
got me was the reputation I now have and about a dozen Tebow sycophants
on Iggy. Which is why I don't say a whole lot about Orton anymore.

Regarding Plummer, he indeed had elite talent. Shanny saw that, and even
Walsh, who personally coached Montana, compared Plummer to Montana.
However, when I finally saw Plummer's lack of desire and devotion, I changed
my tune somewhat, about which you must have forgotten. Still, I liked getting
your and Mtnman's goat about it. Those were the days . . .

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Hey my goats just fine...see (Bwuaahhhhhh) :lol:

But you're right, those were the days...our debates, the three of us seemed to have lasted forever. Hahahaha...

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08-01-2011, 01:48 PM
Hey my goats just fine...see (Buahhhhhh) :lol:

But you're right, those were the days...are debates, the three of us seemed to have lasted forever. Hahahaha...

The Plummer Wars, to be sure, will go down into history as one of the classic
eras in the annals of football message boards. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thdrink.gif

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Lonestar
08-01-2011, 01:50 PM
So, supposedly we're getting some cap relief thursday when old cap penalties come off the books (please validate if this isn't the case).
If so, under the new CBA rules we have to spend a certain percent of the cap (not sure what our number is).
Since most of the good FA's are gone, is that going to force us to spend money on guys that really don't improve our team just to meet the new minimum cap requirement?
Won't this perpetuate the salary cap problem into next year?
I hope some of you can explain this a bit. Please use small words for us simple folk.

As I understand the min cap expenditure goes into effect In 2013.

Depending on the escalation of contracts it very well could lead to players getting cut for the same reason.

IIRC the lower cap level is 89% of the total cap.

Dzone
08-01-2011, 01:53 PM
The Plummer Wars, to be sure, will go down into history as one of the classic
eras in the annals of football message boards. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thdrink.gif

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Before my time. good thing I wasnt here back then. I would have been in the middle of it..LOL..I used to be a hot head back then..haha

Anyway, as for signing previous top 10 picks, hey, who knows? These guys might come to Colorado and the air here might bring out their best.Then we end up with a team of all pros..who knows...we can only hope:beer:

Tned
08-01-2011, 01:54 PM
As I understand the min cap expenditure goes into effect In 2013.

Depending on the escalation of contracts it very well could lead to players getting cut for the same reason.

IIRC the lower cap level is 89% of the total cap.

League wide it must average 99%, individual clubs have to spend 85 or 89%, can't remember which.

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08-01-2011, 01:58 PM
Before my time. good thing I wasnt here back then. I would have been in the middle of it..LOL..I used to be a hot head back then..haha

Anyway, as for signing previous top 10 picks, hey, who knows? These guys might come to Colorado and the air here might bring out their best.Then we end up with a team of all pros..who knows...we can only hope:beer:

I suspect that the problem with many of those guys exists between the ears.
What the Raiders did was to take them and inculcate into them a different
culture, a different attitude. It was an attitude that not many outside of the
Raider nation appreciated, but it certainly worked for the Raiders.

I would love for the Broncos to capture some of that magic. To hell with what
the rest of the league thinks of their attitude and tactics. Just be champions. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thdrink.gif

. . . or, as Al Davis used to say, "Just win, baby."

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Lonestar
08-01-2011, 02:03 PM
League wide it must average 99%, individual clubs have to spend 85 or 89%, can't remember which.

I remember seeing 89% and I do not see how they could spend 99% league wide..

If a few teams do not go all out no way they could get to 99%.

Unless some one is OVER the cap..

But then I have not read all the rules and by laws. to boring and not worried about it all that much.

I still think I heard it all takes place in 2013 correct me if I'm wrong..

NightTerror218
08-01-2011, 02:10 PM
I read an article that mention that Harvey could play DT.....dunno how he would do there.

Lonestar
08-01-2011, 02:15 PM
Before my time. good thing I wasnt here back then. I would have been in the middle of it..LOL..I used to be a hot head back then..haha

Anyway, as for signing previous top 10 picks, hey, who knows? These guys might come to Colorado and the air here might bring out their best.Then we end up with a team of all pros..who knows...we can only hope:beer:
there is an old saying "there is any ass for every saddle and NOT all asses will fit every saddle."

SOme guys get drafted by the wrong team, coach, or scheme and they try to fit into it..

For example Had R Quinn been drafted by a run first team he most likely been a super star.. but because he was drafted into our spread offense and did not make a gazillion catches he is deemed a bust..

Some teams have lousy DL coaches, (see DEN from 1999-2008) or DC that can't plan their way out of the film room..

No fault of their own they went to a loser.. Now their contract it to high or they are just now in a lousy situation..

LEn DALE white prime example of unmotivated.. got a fat contract as a rookie had a good year IIRC then got FAT.. went back to his old college coach and got cut.. HUGE wake up call, now he is back HOME in DEN and lost the fat and found desire , someone else's garbage recycled..


There will be a lot of quality players that hit the waiver wire, over the next few weeks some of them can help us.. Many team have in the past cut better player first so they could catch on with a new team. and sometimes they have tried in vane to trade them trying to get something for them before they are cut.. I'll bet the FO will be fielding those calls and have a good Idea who to expect being cut..

Softskull
08-01-2011, 02:22 PM
I read an article that mention that Harvey could play DT.....dunno how he would do there.

Harvey runs about 275 at 6'5". Seems a bit thin for the DT position. His carreer reminds me of Jarvis Moss. Well liked in the locker room - hard worker at camp and practice - Florida Gator - on a team that switch from 4-3 to 3-4 then back. He just never got his shit together at an NFL level. He should be a good backup to Doom. If we're lucky maybe his potential will finally burst out while he's here.

TXBRONC
08-01-2011, 02:26 PM
EFX is looking at 2 DT right now, they are not just waiting.

Who are they looking at?

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08-01-2011, 02:26 PM
Comment on Harvey and Anderson from Ted Bartlett, over on It's All Over, Fat Man! (http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/derrick-harvey-and-the-mining-of-second-hand-talent)



What Harvey is, is a guy who’s pretty similar to Robert Ayers, and who would presumably compete with Ayers and maybe Jeremy Jarmon at the Left DE spot, and likely serve as a quality backup/rotation guy in that role. With Harvey on the team, you can now be confident that if Ayers misses a month, the Broncos' edge run defense won’t suddenly be terrible on his side. . . .

I’d also be happy if Jamaal Anderson, the #8 pick of the 2007 Draft (by Atlanta) were to sign with Denver. He was a bust as a DE, but he’s actually been an above-average DT when he’s been shifted inside, especially against the run. He seems to be in a little higher demand, and may cost more, but I’d be glad if he’s a Bronco in 2011.

Rest of article: http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/derrick-harvey-and-the-mining-of-second-hand-talent

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Bosco
08-01-2011, 02:37 PM
The deepest FA class (probably) ever and they chose to sit on the sidelines and watch the quality guys drift buy.

Normally I don't buy into FA signings (usually means you are paying big money for someone else’s garbage), but this year there were plenty of bodies available that normally wouldn't be (for obvious reasons).

That's the really annoying part of all this. We had a handful of above average defensive tackles on the market and watched all of them sign team friendly deals elsewhere while our front office played with their dicks. Now we get to watch our Broncos try to play defense with a guy (Thomas) would be a rotation player on most teams and another (Vickerson) that couldn't even make a 4-3 roster and only looked remotely serviceable as a 3-4 end.

**** me sideways.

G_Money
08-01-2011, 02:44 PM
What Harvey is, is a guy who’s pretty similar to that inept DE we already have, Robert Ayers, and who would presumably compete with Ayers and maybe Jeremy Jarmon at the Left DE spot, and likely serve as a quality backup/rotation guy in that role. With Harvey on the team, you can now be confident that if Ayers misses a month, the Broncos' edge run defense won’t suddenly be any more terrible on his side. . . .

Fixed.

~G

SOCALORADO.
08-01-2011, 02:47 PM
Comment on Harvey and Anderson from Ted Bartlett, over on It's All Over, Fat Man! (http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/derrick-harvey-and-the-mining-of-second-hand-talent)



Rest of article: http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/derrick-harvey-and-the-mining-of-second-hand-talent

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Anderson has never been above average ever. Thats pure BS.

SOCALORADO.
08-01-2011, 02:54 PM
In 4 seasons Anderson has had 4 sacks.
Seriously, get me a contract, and i will beat that!

Tned
08-01-2011, 05:28 PM
Some tweets on Harvey:


RT @cecillammey I asked a Jaguars source about any positives to Derrick Harvey's game - he said 'poor attitude, doesn't work hard, bad locker room guy'

RT @cecillammey source continued to say that Harvey was naturally gifted and could be good 'if you can only get him to work'

HammeredOut
08-01-2011, 09:44 PM
Who was better Jarvis Moss or D. Harvey. I think both played with Tebow.

Dzone
08-01-2011, 09:53 PM
Who was better Jarvis Moss or D. Harvey. I think both played with Tebow.
Harvey did 31 reps in the combine bench press to a scrawny 16 by Moss. Moss was so skinny and had no lower or upper body strength. He had bird legs. You have to figure Oakland must really be in bad shape to be keeping Moss on their team. Maybe they are going to use him as an equipoment manager

horsepig
08-01-2011, 10:03 PM
LOL! Jeez, man you knows it bad when you are trying to rack your brain to remember if a player was possibly versatile enough to maybe, possibly play another position that we just so happen to desperately have a need for him to play.
Jamal Anderson is a 3rd down, pure DE, pass rushing "specialist" and nothing more. and hes not even "special" at that.

Maybe we can somehow, someway, talk the "Crypt Keeper" out of Jarvis Moss and resign him as a "speed" DT. Hahaahahaaa!

Dzone
08-01-2011, 10:04 PM
Harvey also held out his rookie year for 33 days and then signed a contract with $17 million guaranteed. Hope he doesnt suffer from Jamarcus Russell disease. Seems to happen to a lot of these kids after they become filthy rich

HammeredOut
08-01-2011, 10:05 PM
Harvey did 31 reps in the combine bench press to a scrawny 16 by Moss. Moss was so skinny and had no lower or upper body strength. He had bird legs. You have to figure Oakland must really be in bad shape to be keeping Moss on their team. Maybe they are going to use him as an equipoment manager

Thats why we didn't draft M.Darius with the 2nd pick. He only had 22 reps or so. WRs, QBs, and bunch others outworked him in the weight room. Can't have the weakest guy at the strongest position.

Oakland didn't make a smart move when they kept Moss. they likely figured, he would tell them all the defensive plays for a season. Which he probley did, and he is likely just a former Broncos spy.

horsepig
08-01-2011, 10:09 PM
I suspect that the problem with many of those guys exists between the ears.
What the Raiders did was to take them and inculcate into them a different
culture, a different attitude. It was an attitude that not many outside of the
Raider nation appreciated, but it certainly worked for the Raiders.

I would love for the Broncos to capture some of that magic. To hell with what
the rest of the league thinks of their attitude and tactics. Just be champions. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thdrink.gif

. . . or, as Al Davis used to say, "Just win, baby."

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"Commitment to Excellence". It worked in the day too. Now Belichik is the one bringing the losers and making them "fit" the "Patriot Way".

horsepig
08-01-2011, 10:12 PM
Top, are you old enough to remember Otis Sistrunk? Big Al found this guy on the frikkin docks in Oakland, a classic Raider, and a pretty good DLman too.

Dzone
08-01-2011, 10:41 PM
Thats why we didn't draft M.Darius with the 2nd pick. He only had 22 reps or so. WRs, QBs, and bunch others outworked him in the weight room. Can't have the weakest guy at the strongest position.

Oakland didn't make a smart move when they kept Moss. they likely figured, he would tell them all the defensive plays for a season. Which he probley did, and he is likely just a former Broncos spy.

Hey was M Darius the guy with the partially paralyzed arm? I think that wa s him. Im going to have to look thaT up..it was some kind of birth defect that he overcame, but has left him with one arm weaker than the other.
Nope sorry, it was a guy from iowa, clayborn, who was born with Erbs palsy in his arm not dereus

BeefStew25
08-01-2011, 10:47 PM
Harvey wasn't a Jarvis Moss type flop, it was just the Jags gave up a ton for him.

Ol Shack Harris. Total POS.

Dean
08-01-2011, 11:09 PM
Top, are you old enough to remember Otis Sistrunk? Big Al found this guy on the frikkin docks in Oakland, a classic Raider, and a pretty good DLman too.

Otis, a proud alumnus of the University of Mars.

dogfish
08-01-2011, 11:45 PM
I'll restate what I said in another thread, the problem is quite literally the fact that the position has been neglected for so long that the likes of Mebane, Branch and Okoye seem like All-Pro's to us, because they're better then what we as fans are use to at the position. And we've seen this before from other regimes, so a lot of us are saying "Not this shit again!"



most of the people who are talking that "we can't afford a big name" crap had never heard of brandon mebane two weeks ago, i'd bet almost anything. . .


:lol:

big name, my ass! troy poalamalu and peyton manning are "big names"-- we can't/won't even afford any small names. . .