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SOCALORADO.
07-28-2011, 03:48 PM
Texans reportedly shopping DT Amobi Okoye. Wade Phillips is switching to his 3-4 defense. I wonder what they want in return?

CoachChaz
07-28-2011, 03:53 PM
Too much. Hes no better than Thomas

DenBronx
07-28-2011, 03:58 PM
Too much. Hes no better than Thomas

I agree....I'll pass on another project DT.


We need Mebane or bust! EFX, go get us someone proven at DT. We havent had one in 6 years or so? Cmon pull the trigger and shoot this thing right between the eyes!

WARHORSE
07-28-2011, 04:02 PM
NO. He missed more tackles than any other defensive lineman in the last 3 years.

NO.

underrated29
07-28-2011, 04:03 PM
hes going to get released, but I will trade them britt davis for him.

dogfish
07-28-2011, 04:04 PM
NO. He missed more tackles than any other defensive lineman in the last 3 years.

NO.

sounds like a good fit with our defensive phiolosophy. . . . ;)

UnderArmour
07-28-2011, 04:07 PM
A 6th round pick for him, David Anderson, and a 7th round pick.

G_Money
07-28-2011, 04:14 PM
Give em Richard Quinn.

~G

TheDave
07-28-2011, 04:24 PM
Sadley he's better than anyone we have... See if they will take orton straight up.

DenBronx
07-28-2011, 04:24 PM
Give em Richard Quinn.

~G


Actually I agree with this scenario. lol

G_Money
07-28-2011, 04:28 PM
Seriously though, there are several players I'd be willing to trade em *cough* Ayers *cough*. Okoye is just NOW the age where DTs start making progress. He came out so young that I'm willing to see what he can do if he doesn't cost anything but a roster spot (ie, we either offset his salary completely or salary dump to get him on the team - I'm looking at you, DJ).

His niche is as a run-stopper. We desperately need a run-stopper. It's not the worst idea in the history of "how the hell do we plug this leak, Liza?" problems.

~G

Buff
07-28-2011, 04:30 PM
Seriously though, there are several players I'd be willing to trade em *cough* Ayers *cough*. Okoye is just NOW the age where DTs start making progress. He came out so young that I'm willing to see what he can do if he doesn't cost anything but a roster spot (ie, we either offset his salary completely or salary dump to get him on the team - I'm looking at you, DJ).

His niche is as a run-stopper. We desperately need a run-stopper. It's not the worst idea in the history of "how the hell do we plug this leak, Liza?" problems.

~G

Wasn't he billed as a gap shooting, pass rushing DT coming out of college? Or am I just making things up? For some reason I always thought of him as a pass rusher (to the extent that any DT is a pass rushing specialist), not a run stopper.

dogfish
07-28-2011, 05:49 PM
Give em Richard Quinn.

~G

come on, man, can i get a little love for gary kubiak still?


:noidea:


:lol:

HORSEPOWER 56
07-28-2011, 06:24 PM
come on, man, can i get a little love for gary kubiak still?


:noidea:


:lol:

Hey now, if you ask certain folks they'll tell you that Quinn is a "devastating blocker"...

:coffee:

Stargazer
07-28-2011, 06:28 PM
Wasn't he billed as a gap shooting, pass rushing DT coming out of college?

Yes.

Run stuffer? No.

OrangeHoof
07-28-2011, 06:43 PM
Wasn't he billed as a gap shooting, pass rushing DT coming out of college? Or am I just making things up? For some reason I always thought of him as a pass rusher (to the extent that any DT is a pass rushing specialist), not a run stopper.


Not really a pass-rusher but a quick-step disruptor that had just turned 20. That hasn't translated to the pros but that doesn't mean he couldn't be useful with better coaching.

What nobody remembers is that Okoye was taken by Houston (thanks, Rick Smith) when the next guy on the board was ILB Patrick Willis.

HORSEPOWER 56
07-28-2011, 06:43 PM
Okoye sucks and is a bust. He was the worst player on a D-line that wasn't exactly devoid of talent. You'd think playing alongside Mario Williams would've helped him make some plays.

They can have a 7th rounder and Kyle Orton for him...

Lancane
07-28-2011, 08:26 PM
At least it would look like a front office was actually doing something rather then sitting on their asses still enthralled with their draft grade!

:lol:

UnderArmour
07-28-2011, 11:19 PM
Not really a pass-rusher but a quick-step disruptor that had just turned 20. That hasn't translated to the pros but that doesn't mean he couldn't be useful with better coaching.

What nobody remembers is that Okoye was taken by Houston (thanks, Rick Smith) when the next guy on the board was ILB Patrick Willis.

Texans had a heck of a player (and still have) in DeMeco Ryans. Why would they have taken Patrick Willis when they run a 4-3? In hindsight, sure maybe there is a way to make it work but you really can't put ANY blame on the Texans for not taking Willis AT ALL. That criticism just does not make any sense. Ryans was the 2006 DROY as well, why would they take another ILB with him coming off the season he did?

I do agree it's a little early to say his career is over. At age 24 and no injury history, there is still plenty of time in his career for the switch to flip and him to become a decent player.

bcbronc
07-28-2011, 11:29 PM
Texans had a heck of a player (and still have) in DeMeco Ryans. Why would they have taken Patrick Willis when they run a 4-3? In hindsight, sure maybe there is a way to make it work but you really can't put ANY blame on the Texans for not taking Willis AT ALL. That criticism just does not make any sense. Ryans was the 2006 DROY as well, why would they take another ILB with him coming off the season he did?

.

ya but everybody knows it's dumb to draft DT early.

dogfish
07-28-2011, 11:40 PM
ya but everybody knows it's dumb to draft DT early.

no. . . actually, everyone knows it's dumb to draft them at all, since you can pretty much always find good veteran options for cheap in free agency. . . ;)

Stargazer
07-28-2011, 11:43 PM
I do agree it's a little early to say his career is over. At age 24 and no injury history, there is still plenty of time in his career for the switch to flip and him to become a decent player.

That is why Denver should look at him. As much as i'm not high on KnoMo, he's 24 as well.

Stargazer
07-28-2011, 11:44 PM
no. . . actually, everyone knows it's dumb to draft them at all, since you can pretty much always find good veteran options for cheap in free agency. . . ;)

The good ones though cost a ton in FA.

atwater27
07-28-2011, 11:47 PM
a team does not get rid of a young DT that is worth a shit. Just say no.

OrangeHoof
07-29-2011, 03:54 PM
Texans had a heck of a player (and still have) in DeMeco Ryans. Why would they have taken Patrick Willis when they run a 4-3? In hindsight, sure maybe there is a way to make it work but you really can't put ANY blame on the Texans for not taking Willis AT ALL. That criticism just does not make any sense. Ryans was the 2006 DROY as well, why would they take another ILB with him coming off the season he did?


Willis was the only can't-miss player in the draft. Keep in mind the Texans had slugs at the OLB positions. Even if Ryans was established at MLB, either he or Willis would have been a better OLB than anyone they had on their roster.

All we have to do is look at DJ Williams for an example of a LB that can play both OLB and ILB. The comment you heard frequently about both Ryans and Willis was "can make plays sideline to sideline" which made me think, between the two, there would be enough speed that both could be a success in the same defense.

In addition, a creative D-Coord (of which none exists in Houston) could have eventually used both LBs to disguise blitzes and packages with the opponents unsure who had the middle and who was coming.