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Zweems56
07-27-2011, 01:25 PM
@AdamSchefter
Filed to ESPN: Broncos traded WR Jabar Gaffney to Washington for DE jeremy Jarmon.

slim
07-27-2011, 01:27 PM
In 16 games played he has 11 tackles, 1 forced fumble and half a sack.

MileHighCrew
07-27-2011, 01:29 PM
Really, I have to check out more on Jarmon. I guess with the wave of a hand, Broncos fans can't see him anymore.

Juriga72
07-27-2011, 01:30 PM
????
Wow.... ok

DenBronx
07-27-2011, 01:32 PM
Really, I have to check out more on Jarmon. I guess with the wave of a hand, Broncos fans can't see him anymore.

That was mainly Brandon Llyod.


And I actually kinda like it...especially after he scores a TD.

titan
07-27-2011, 01:33 PM
From Elway on Twitter:

johnelway 12:31pm via Twitter for iPhone

Jeremy is an athletic defensive lineman with great versatility. We are looking forward to having him as Bronco.

======

Gaffney was signed through next year. Klis of the Post said the BRoncos probably would have released him so at least they got something. 2.4 million cap money freed

MileHighCrew
07-27-2011, 01:34 PM
That was mainly Brandon Llyod.


And I actually kinda like it...especially after he scores a TD.

I hated it, but that's just me. To see them doing it when we were losing by 20 was annoying.

TXBRONC
07-27-2011, 01:34 PM
Wow I didn't see that one coming. :shocked:

Mike
07-27-2011, 01:36 PM
$$$

MileHighCrew
07-27-2011, 01:37 PM
Now they broke the ice, time for another trade!!!

TXBRONC
07-27-2011, 01:41 PM
Now they broke the ice, time for another trade!!!

Like Orton? :behindsofa:

DenBronx
07-27-2011, 01:41 PM
I think we lost on the trade. Gaffney is an underated WR...but we didnt really need him.


So what's next? Orton for Haynesworth?

TXBRONC
07-27-2011, 01:44 PM
I think we lost on the trade. Gaffney is an underated WR...but we didnt really need him.


So what's next? Orton for Haynesworth?

Bite your tongue. :tsk:

BigSarge87
07-27-2011, 01:45 PM
I hope that by the time they free up enough money there are still good FA's available to spend it on.

rationalfan
07-27-2011, 01:48 PM
too busy to check stats on this, but the move makes me wonder: do the broncos lead the league in trades over the past three years? my memory makes me think so, but my memory isn't always dependable.

rationalfan
07-27-2011, 01:48 PM
I hope that by the time they free up enough money there are still good FA's available to spend it on.

i believe they can sign FAs now and not worry about being over the cap until the final training camp cut-downs.

Juriga72
07-27-2011, 01:49 PM
too busy to check stats on this, but the move makes me wonder: do the broncos lead the league in trades over the past three years? my memory makes me think so, but my memory isn't always dependable.

We led the NFL in "Bad trades" the last two seasons...

Watchthemiddle
07-27-2011, 01:50 PM
Jarmon is young...Gaffney has a year maybe two left.

He was a possession WR while here, but it's time for the Broncos to stockpile D-lineman

rationalfan
07-27-2011, 01:50 PM
I think we lost on the trade. Gaffney is an underated WR...but we didnt really need him.


So what's next? Orton for Haynesworth?

the broncos didn't "lose" if they were going to cut gaffney eventually anyway, which is what probably would have happened given the glut of good WRs.

rationalfan
07-27-2011, 01:51 PM
profile on the new guy:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13153/jeremy-jarmon

nevcraw
07-27-2011, 01:52 PM
saved money and if they are going away from the empty backfield spread to a tradtional O a gaggel WR's become less important.. Liked Gaff but will like cap room for Mebane better.

Traveler
07-27-2011, 01:53 PM
I think we lost on the trade. Gaffney is an underated WR...but we didnt really need him.


So what's next? Orton for Haynesworth?

If we keep getting outbid for players, we might have no choice but to take a look at AH once he's released.

Hate it!

I do like they seem to be committed to the youth movement though.

Dean
07-27-2011, 02:00 PM
Do you suppose he is expected to be a D-tackle? Jarmon is 285 pounds.

Buff
07-27-2011, 02:01 PM
Gaffney was steady and consistent. We traded him for an unknown.

Hope they know what they're doing.

MileHighCrew
07-27-2011, 02:01 PM
Broncos going hard after Mebane
http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4367/brandon-mebane

Stargazer
07-27-2011, 02:05 PM
Grossman wanted his old college WR back. Grossman to Gaffney for 20 td's this year.

Traveler
07-27-2011, 02:06 PM
Do you suppose he is expected to be a D-tackle? Jarmon is 285 pounds.

Nah. DE in college. Miscast as a 3-4 linebacker in WASH. Guessing he'll be a replacement for McBean.

turftoad
07-27-2011, 02:06 PM
Gaffney was steady and consistent. We traded him for an unknown.

Hope they know what they're doing.

IMO, Gaffney is an overrated underachieving vet. We have some young guys that can do at least the same numbers for less $$.

Buff
07-27-2011, 02:08 PM
IMO, Gaffney is an overrated underachieving vet. We have some young guys that can do at least the same numbers for less $$.

I see him as the exact opposite. Overachieving and underrated. Agree to disagree.

D1g1tal j1m
07-27-2011, 02:11 PM
A 30 yr backup WR for a 23 yr old backup DE.

I call it a wash. Gaff was a good vet but replaceable. Jarmon is a 4-3 DE who was playing as a LB in the 3-4 and didn't convert well (ala Ayers).

Northman
07-27-2011, 02:15 PM
I like the trade.

FanInAZ
07-27-2011, 02:16 PM
Grossman wanted his old college WR back. Grossman to Gaffney for 20 td's this year.

I don't see Rex "INT" Grossman throwing much more than 20 TD over the remainder of his career. I’m still not sure why an INT machine like him is still in the league.

Lonestar
07-27-2011, 02:17 PM
Do you suppose he is expected to be a D-tackle? Jarmon is 285 pounds.

same weight that our other DT vickerson weighs..

Buff
07-27-2011, 02:20 PM
I like the trade.

I understand the trade - excess WR talent and a hole on the D-line... But until the guy actually shows that he can produce I'm reserving judgement. Gaffney is a proven producer.

DenBronx
07-27-2011, 02:20 PM
Well, we're overloaded with talent at WR so we didn't really need him.

This also will free up cap room to sign a guy like Mebane.


I don't know much about the new guy but he seems to be athletic and have some potential.

Still wish we could have got a 4th or 5th for Gaffney. Draft picks are usually more appealing in a trade. Heck, the Vikes just got McNabb for two 6ths.

Juriga72
07-27-2011, 02:23 PM
I don't see Rex "INT" Grossman throwing much more than 20 TD over the remainder of his career. I’m still not sure why an INT machine like him is still in the league.

Because he has won playoff game unlike..well....

Northman
07-27-2011, 02:25 PM
I understand the trade - excess WR talent and a hole on the D-line... But until the guy actually shows that he can produce I'm reserving judgement. Gaffney is a proven producer.

He's quality depth but thats about it. He has maybe one good game a year where he shines. He will always be a third or 4th option in the NFL and not much more. And as you said, we have greater needs on defense and adding depth there is more important in this juncture. Most likely in Fox's system Gaffney would probably not even see the field.

Buckin' Gator
07-27-2011, 02:25 PM
IMO, Gaffney is an overrated underachieving vet. We have some young guys that can do at least the same numbers for less $$.

I sure hope that DE Jeremy Jarmon is worth Denver's #2 WR.
Was Jarmon their #2 DE?

And I hope that Denver's #6 & #7 WR's both step up in 2011.
They only had 40 catches between them in 2010.

1. All Pro B.Lloyd 77 for 1,448, 18.8 ypr, 71 Long, 11 TD's.

2. J.Gaffney 65 for 875, 13.5 ypr, 50 Long, 2 TD's.

3. E.Royal 59 for 627, 10.6 ypr, 41 Long, 3 TD's.

4. RB Moreno with 37
5. RB Buckhalter with 28

6. D.Thomas 22 for 1283, 12.9 ypr, 31 Long, 2 TD's

7. D.Graham 18 for 148, 8.2 ypr, 28 Long, 0 TD's.

:coffee:

Northman
07-27-2011, 02:29 PM
I sure hope that DE Jeremy Jarmon is worth Denver's #2 WR.
Was Jarmon their #2 DE?

And I hope that Denver's #3 & #6 WR's both step up in 2011.
They only had 40 catches between them in 2010.

1. All Pro B.Lloyd 77 for 1,448, 18.8 ypr, 71 Long, 11 TD's.

2. J.Gaffney 65 for 875, 13.5 ypr, 50 Long, 2 TD's.

3. E.Royal 59 for 627, 10.6 ypr, 41 Long, 3 TD's.

4. RB Moreno with 37
5. RB Buckhalter with 28

6. D.Thomas 22 for 1283, 12.9 ypr, 31 Long, 2 TD's

7. D.Graham 18 for 148, 8.2 ypr, 28 Long, 0 TD's.

:coffee:

Unfortuantely your post is skewed. DT spent most of the season on injured reserve. Royal was thrust into the slot after having a breakout year at #2. Graham? Overrated as a TE. The only decent surprise was Lloyd and one can hope he can keep the #1 slot and not revert back to his old ways. Gaffney was #2 out of necessity, not because he really earned it.

nevcraw
07-27-2011, 02:29 PM
A 30 yr backup WR for a 23 yr old backup DE.

I call it a wash. Gaff was a good vet but replaceable. Jarmon is a 4-3 DE who was playing as a LB in the 3-4 and didn't convert well (ala Ayers).

better than wash.. don't forget the the cap $$

Buff
07-27-2011, 02:29 PM
He's quality depth but thats about it. He has maybe one good game a year where he shines. He will always be a third or 4th option in the NFL and not much more. And as you said, we have greater needs on defense and adding depth there is more important in this juncture. Most likely in Fox's system Gaffney would probably not even see the field.

I just loved Gaffney's consistency and professionalism. You always knew what you were going to get.

He was never going to be a legit #1 or #2 threat - but he was a very solid #3 WR and could always fill holes where needed.

I understand how his value shrunk in the new system, I just hope we were properly compensated.

BroncoBowlby 88
07-27-2011, 02:50 PM
this trade was all about cap space. the trade is great, we get depth at a position of need, free up some cap space for bigger ticket players, get younger at the d-line position, and thus young guy will get to work with a coach who knows how to groom d-linemen. good trade! now work to pick up a big ticket DT and a RB and its a goos offseason.

and unlike some of you i think albert haynesworth would be a good pick up! he would be back in a 4-3 scheme where he wouldn't have to worry about the double team, Dumervil would be on his side drawing attention he would flourish in a john fox run system! back to his old titans days!

Dean
07-27-2011, 02:59 PM
Nah. DE in college. Miscast as a 3-4 linebacker in WASH. Guessing he'll be a replacement for McBean.

In Washington, last year, he was a defensive end in a 3-4 defense. He played behind Gholston (sp?).

Traveler
07-27-2011, 03:04 PM
In Washington, last year, he was a defensive end in a 3-4 defense. He played behind Gholston (sp?).

I stand corrected. :salute:

D1g1tal j1m
07-27-2011, 03:17 PM
I can't believe that we are talking about trades and Free Agency!!!!

Bugs Baloney
07-27-2011, 03:18 PM
i like this trade...

depth move, new faces, new team, Josh who?

Rexy, begged Shanny for his loverboy to reunite?:shocked:

turftoad
07-27-2011, 03:18 PM
Unfortuantely your post is skewed. DT spent most of the season on injured reserve. Royal was thrust into the slot after having a breakout year at #2. Graham? Overrated as a TE. The only decent surprise was Lloyd and one can hope he can keep the #1 slot and not revert back to his old ways. Gaffney was #2 out of necessity, not because he really earned it.

Bronco fans would know this. Tebow fans? Not so much. :shocked:

Buckin' Gator
07-27-2011, 03:19 PM
Unfortuantely your post is skewed. DT spent most of the season on injured reserve. Royal was thrust into the slot after having a breakout year at #2. Graham? Overrated as a TE. The only decent surprise was Lloyd and one can hope he can keep the #1 slot and not revert back to his old ways. Gaffney was #2 out of necessity, not because he really earned it.

Sorry, but that just sounds totally senseless to me. :confused:

Gaffney was #2 because that what the season stats SHOW he was,
nothing more, but also nothing less. :listen:

1. All Pro B.Lloyd 77 for 1,448, 18.8 ypr, 71 Long, 11 TD's.

2. J.Gaffney 65 for 875, 13.5 ypr, 50 Long, 2 TD's.

3. E.Royal 59 for 627, 10.6 ypr, 41 Long, 3 TD's.

Stats are OBVIOUSLY earned on the playing field. :salute:

Ravage!!!
07-27-2011, 03:45 PM
IMO, Gaffney is an overrated underachieving vet. We have some young guys that can do at least the same numbers for less $$.

I'm with you on this one. I think the only place people felt he was any good was here, and I never understood it.

nevcraw
07-27-2011, 04:12 PM
the WR I miss way more than Gaff is now a redskin too: Brandon Stokely

Buff
07-27-2011, 04:13 PM
I'm with you on this one. I think the only place people felt he was any good was here, and I never understood it.

If you wanted him to be a #1 WR, then he is mediocre at best.

If you view him for what he is - a versatile slot WR with great hands and route running ability, then he is an awesome role player.

Also - he was good in New England, he just got overshadowed by the bigger names.

Slick
07-27-2011, 04:19 PM
I would have kept Gaffney. Imo he was the best WR on the roster after Lloyd.

Royal, Decker and Willis don't do a lot for me.

Ravage!!!
07-27-2011, 04:28 PM
If you wanted him to be a #1 WR, then he is mediocre at best.

If you view him for what he is - a versatile slot WR with great hands and route running ability, then he is an awesome role player.

Also - he was good in New England, he just got overshadowed by the bigger names.

We are definitely just going to have to disagree. I would never use the word "awesome" and "Gaffney" in the same sentence. I think he was mediocre at BEST, and way over rated around here.

I didn't dislike him in any way, I just wasn't thrilled with him here, and am not disappointed that he's gone.

Buff
07-27-2011, 04:30 PM
We are definitely just going to have to disagree. I would never use the word "awesome" and "Gaffney" in the same sentence. I think he was mediocre at BEST, and way over rated around here.

I didn't dislike him in any way, I just wasn't thrilled with him here, and am not disappointed that he's gone.

Mediocre doesn't begin to describe his contributions over the past couple years. He is an overachiever with limited abilities.

Ravage!!!
07-27-2011, 04:30 PM
Mediocre doesn't begin to describe his contributions over the past couple years. He is an overachiever with limited abilities.

Mmmm kay. I guess I missed all those contributions that were beyond what we could get with any WR. Perhaps I was underwhelmed with his ability to move the chains. Either way. I think mediocre is the best word to describe Gaffney in ANY conversation.

Bosco
07-27-2011, 04:46 PM
I just loved Gaffney's consistency and professionalism. You always knew what you were going to get.

He was never going to be a legit #1 or #2 threat - but he was a very solid #3 WR and could always fill holes where needed.

I understand how his value shrunk in the new system, I just hope we were properly compensated.

Gaffney was a solid #2 guy and a great #3, but he was pretty much made expendable when we took Decker as he is younger, more talented and will fill the same role.

Slick
07-27-2011, 04:51 PM
The next time you take an extended leave Bosco, shoot me a PM. I was worried sick.

Nomad
07-27-2011, 04:56 PM
The next time you take an extended leave Bosco, shoot me a PM. I was worried sick.

Just lurking and reading, but I haven't seen the takes of GMoney or Lancane in a while. Perhaps they're waiting until the dust settles!

NorCalBronco7
07-27-2011, 05:04 PM
I like the trade. Jarmon is young and has upside while Gaffney is old and expendable. He played well when hes was here, but getting value for him was best for the Broncos imo.

Northman
07-27-2011, 05:05 PM
Sorry, but that just sounds totally senseless to me. :confused:

Gaffney was #2 because that what the season stats SHOW he was,
nothing more, but also nothing less. :listen:

1. All Pro B.Lloyd 77 for 1,448, 18.8 ypr, 71 Long, 11 TD's.

2. J.Gaffney 65 for 875, 13.5 ypr, 50 Long, 2 TD's.

3. E.Royal 59 for 627, 10.6 ypr, 41 Long, 3 TD's.

Stats are OBVIOUSLY earned on the playing field. :salute:

But never tell the entire story.

Northman
07-27-2011, 05:07 PM
I would have kept Gaffney. Imo he was the best WR on the roster after Lloyd.

Royal, Decker and Willis don't do a lot for me.

Royal i think is better than Gaffney and will be in the long run. But having moved to the slot didnt do much for him. That is actually a role that better suits Jabar. Decker will need some work but he was taken later in the draft so that is a given. But i think he holds good potential and Willis i think can be a difference maker given enough playing time.

Juriga72
07-27-2011, 05:08 PM
But never tell the entire story.

IIRC.. he also led the Bronco's in drops last year too......

so he has THAT going for him :tsk:

NorCalBronco7
07-27-2011, 05:11 PM
I sure hope that DE Jeremy Jarmon is worth Denver's #2 WR.

I doubt Gaffney would be the #2 this year with Decker and more importantly Thomas waiting in the wings.

turftoad
07-27-2011, 05:13 PM
Mediocre doesn't begin to describe his contributions over the past couple years. He is an overachiever with limited abilities.

Buff, he was the 33rd player taken in 2002. Thats the first pick in the second round.
He's had his two best seasons BY FAR the last two years in a very, very pass happy offense.
That seems like an underachiever to me for the 33rd player taken in the draft. How does the 33rd player in the draft have limited abilities? His best season ever was last year with 65 for 875 and only 2 TD's. Both Houston and N.E. gave up on him.
I don't understand how he's overachiever.

Aww, forget it, he's a Redskin now anyway.

Elway must have my train of thought.

broncobryce
07-27-2011, 05:14 PM
He will obviously play DT for us.

Northman
07-27-2011, 05:15 PM
Buff, he was the 33rd player taken in 2002. Thats the first pick in the second round.
He's had his two best seasons BY FAR the last two years in a very, very pass happy offense.
That seems like an underachiever to me for the 33rd player taken in the draft. How does the 33rd player in the draft have limited abilities? His best season ever was last year with 65 for 875 and only 2 TD's.
I don't understand how he's overachiever.

Aww, forget it, he's a Redskin now anyway.

Elway must have my train of thought.

I remembered liking Gaffney when he played at Florida but he never really lived up to the hype.

Buff
07-27-2011, 05:25 PM
Buff, he was the 33rd player taken in 2002. Thats the first pick in the second round.
He's had his two best seasons BY FAR the last two years in a very, very pass happy offense.
That seems like an underachiever to me for the 33rd player taken in the draft. How does the 33rd player in the draft have limited abilities? His best season ever was last year with 65 for 875 and only 2 TD's. Both Houston and N.E. gave up on him.
I don't understand how he's overachiever.

Aww, forget it, he's a Redskin now anyway.

Elway must have my train of thought.

It's a fair point - he may be an underachiever given his draft position... But I was perfectly satisfied with his production in Denver. I thought he was a solid contributor and was able to actually stay in the lineup, which our other WR's have problems doing.

HORSEPOWER 56
07-27-2011, 05:33 PM
It's a fair point - he may be an underachiever given his draft position... But I was perfectly satisfied with his production in Denver. I thought he was a solid contributor and was able to actually stay in the lineup, which our other WR's have problems doing.

I agree with you on this point, Buff. I think they moved Gaffney to get his salary off the books, pure and simple. He makes more $ than any other WR on the roster except for Thomas who was a 1st round pick. He was solid for us (I was wrong about him and trashed him pretty badly before the season) and hopefully someone on the roster can step up.

I think Royal will greatly benefit from being moved back to the outside. Getting him off of PR/KR duties would be nice, too.

turftoad
07-27-2011, 05:45 PM
It's a fair point - he may be an underachiever given his draft position... But I was perfectly satisfied with his production in Denver. I thought he was a solid contributor and was able to actually stay in the lineup, which our other WR's have problems doing.

I'm not saying he was terrible here at all. I just think he's replcable is all with young guys we have.

Bosco
07-27-2011, 06:20 PM
The next time you take an extended leave Bosco, shoot me a PM. I was worried sick.

Sorry buddy. It's been a hectic summer and with the lockout there wasn't much football to talk about. I'll be back around now since we're good to go with the season.

Just FYI that you can always PM me on here. This account is linked to my main email and it will send me an alert when that happens. :D

SpringsBroncoFan
07-27-2011, 08:51 PM
I like the trade.

Oh my how your avatar has changed Northman!

rationalfan
07-27-2011, 08:58 PM
this is awesome. gaffney is gone and suddenly there's a chorus of people already nostalgic for a player they didn't care about two days ago.

Dzone
07-27-2011, 09:14 PM
Jarmon needs to put some meat on his bones. Dude is skinny. Get the guy some Muscle Milk...geezo...
Well, we do know he missed his senior year at kentucky for having a banned substance in his body...it obviously wasnt steroids as the kid is a twig..LOL
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/195103-future-eagles-left-defensive-end-jeremy-jarmon

HORSEPOWER 56
07-27-2011, 09:16 PM
Jarmon needs to put some meat on his bones. Dude is skinny. Get the guy some Muscle Milk...geezo...

He was playing end in DC. I'm sure he can add 10-15 lbs to play DT here.

Buff
07-27-2011, 09:16 PM
Mmmm kay. I guess I missed all those contributions that were beyond what we could get with any WR. Perhaps I was underwhelmed with his ability to move the chains. Either way. I think mediocre is the best word to describe Gaffney in ANY conversation.

Let's see if our #3 WR catches 65 balls this year. Or any other year in any system.

Softskull
07-27-2011, 09:27 PM
this is awesome. gaffney is gone and suddenly there's a chorus of people already nostalgic for a player they didn't care about two days ago.

Nah, he was the only person from the Patriots camp that wasn't a complete piece of crap. He seemed like a good guy. He was a postive on the team. I wish him well.

Dreadnought
07-27-2011, 10:06 PM
Nah, he was the only person from the Patriots camp that wasn't a complete piece of crap. He seemed like a good guy. He was a postive on the team. I wish him well.

I agree to a point - but I'm still not nostalgic for him. Gaffney was, well, OK. We can easily do without him, too.

I will admit that part of me is happy to be flushing another ex-Patriot, but thats unfair to Gaffney

Dzone
07-28-2011, 12:29 AM
Who's going to be throwing to Gaffney this fall? Im drawing a blank on Redskin qbs except rex grossman

Stargazer
07-28-2011, 12:33 AM
Who's going to be throwing to Gaffney this fall? Im drawing a blank on Redskin qbs except rex grossman

It will be Sexy Rexy or John Beck.

Canmore
07-28-2011, 12:40 AM
It will be Sexy Rexy or John Beck.

Those two names strike fear in the heart of NFL defenses, and I thought there was a third guy in the mix, can't remember who though. :rolleyes:

Stargazer
07-28-2011, 12:51 AM
Those two names strike fear in the heart of NFL defenses, and I thought there was a third guy in the mix, can't remember who though. :rolleyes:

Clearly McNabb didn't, and the 3rd guy is Kellen Clemens.:laugh:

Now if you really want funny, John Beck, who could be the starting QB was turned away from Redskin Park on Monday because security didn't recognize him.

Canmore
07-28-2011, 12:54 AM
Clearly McNabb didn't, and the 3rd guy is Kellen Clemens.:laugh:

Now if you really want funny, John Beck, who could be the starting QB was turned away from Redskin Park on Monday because security didn't recognize him.

Lol. That's a riot.

Dzone
07-28-2011, 01:43 AM
check out this article about gaffney for jarmon..gaffney quoted as being shocked...also sounds like he is thinking who the hell is john beck? LOL
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82107891/article/redskins-waste-little-time-brewing-furious-freeagency-storm?module=HP11_headline_stack

TXBRONC
07-28-2011, 08:23 AM
I agree to a point - but I'm still not nostalgic for him. Gaffney was, well, OK. We can easily do without him, too.

I will admit that part of me is happy to be flushing another ex-Patriot, but thats unfair to Gaffney

Same here. Gaffney is solid journeyman wide receiver who played well for us but I'm not going to lose any sleep over him being traded.

Tned
07-28-2011, 08:34 AM
Nah, he was the only person from the Patriots camp that wasn't a complete piece of crap. He seemed like a good guy. He was a postive on the team. I wish him well.

While I think it's about money/performance, bringing up the "Pats camp" aspect, it does make me wonder if there could be any other factors. What came out last year was that there was a pretty strong division in the locker room between "McDaniels guys" and the others in the locker room. I wonder if that played a factor.

I tend to doubt that was a factor, but who knows.

TXBRONC
07-28-2011, 08:41 AM
While I think it's about money/performance, bringing up the "Pats camp" aspect, it does make me wonder if there could be any other factors. What came out last year was that there was a pretty strong division in the locker room between "McDaniels guys" and the others in the locker room. I wonder if that played a factor.

I tend to doubt that was a factor, but who knows.

If it was a factor my guess is that it would have played a minor role.

Lonestar
07-28-2011, 09:31 AM
this is awesome. gaffney is gone and suddenly there's a chorus of people already nostalgic for a player they didn't care about two days ago.

It will not take long for most to turn on him as an ex bronco. The nature of our fans.

Myself WR was overloaded with talent and mostly younger.
I liked gaffney but not at the cap killer he was. A good rental for a couple of years, until we had the kiddies ready.

Lonestar
07-28-2011, 09:36 AM
While I think it's about money/performance, bringing up the "Pats camp" aspect, it does make me wonder if there could be any other factors. What came out last year was that there was a pretty strong division in the locker room between "McDaniels guys" and the others in the locker room. I wonder if that played a factor.

I tend to doubt that was a factor, but who knows.

One would think almost everyone was a Josh guy. Save a couple of guys on the roster that was not resigned by Josh or drafted, brought in by him.

Right now I'd guess that most if the team save the few rookies and new signees will be "Josh " guys.

tomjonesrocks
07-28-2011, 09:43 AM
A good rental for a couple of years, until we had the kiddies ready.

Am not broken up Gaffney is gone, but are the 'kiddies' ready? DT is just as likely to never play a down again as help the team and Decker hasn't been on the field enough to know if he'll be useful.

Slick
07-28-2011, 09:48 AM
this is awesome. gaffney is gone and suddenly there's a chorus of people already nostalgic for a player they didn't care about two days ago.

Buff and I aren't a chorus.

Slick
07-28-2011, 09:56 AM
Royal i think is better than Gaffney and will be in the long run. But having moved to the slot didnt do much for him. That is actually a role that better suits Jabar. Decker will need some work but he was taken later in the draft so that is a given. But i think he holds good potential and Willis i think can be a difference maker given enough playing time.

I'm not saying he was a stud, but he's a pro WR.

Royal needs to step his game up in a big way. What exactly has he done in the last 2 years???

Decker and Thomas need to learn the NFL game, and figure out a way to stay healthy.

Tebow's gonig to have Lloyd and not much else. Not to mention we've got nothing at TE.

turftoad
07-28-2011, 10:00 AM
I'm not saying he was a stud, but he's a pro WR.

Royal needs to step his game up in a big way. What exactly has he done in the last 2 years???

Decker and Thomas need to learn the NFL game, and figure out a way to stay healthy.

Tebow's gonig to have Lloyd and not much else. Not to mention we've got nothing at TE.

McFired didn't use Royal very well. Royal did really well under Shanahan cuz Shanahan used him properly.

Slick
07-28-2011, 10:06 AM
McFired didn't use Royal very well. Royal did really well under Shanahan cuz Shanahan used him properly.

I think Royal overachieved that year, and we're not as set at WR as some posters think.

Juriga72
07-28-2011, 10:09 AM
I think Royal overachieved that year, and we're not as set at WR as some posters think.

I wonder who reached more.....

Royal in 08 or llyod in 10...

THATS my biggest worry.. neither seem to have done it for more than one year total....

excuse me while I get light headed...

turftoad
07-28-2011, 10:13 AM
I think Royal overachieved that year, and we're not as set at WR as some posters think.

I agree. However, losing Gaffney is still not that big of deal. I think we have young guys on the roster that can fill the numbers Gaffney had without a problem.

Dzone
07-28-2011, 10:19 AM
read that we are trying to get TE Fells from the rams. 275 lbs
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2011/3/30/2080519/rams-tight-ends-the-fells-mcdaniels-connection

Slick
07-28-2011, 10:20 AM
Fair enough turf. Maybe they'll grow together. I just think we'd benefit more from having Gaffney to help mentor, teach these young guys how to run routes, etc, than what this defensive lineman brings to the table.

It's definitely not the end of the world.

turftoad
07-28-2011, 10:26 AM
Fair enough turf. Maybe they'll grow together. I just think we'd benefit more from having Gaffney to help mentor, teach these young guys how to run routes, etc, than what this defensive lineman brings to the table.

It's definitely not the end of the world.

Sounds like he a young guy with good upside. I'm sure he's for depth right now and is what I think Gaffney would have been in the new offense.
That said, we need more help on "D" than on "O" so I agree it's worth the chance.

CoachChaz
07-28-2011, 10:29 AM
I think Royal overachieved that year, and we're not as set at WR as some posters think.

Welcome to the club. It's a small an lonely one, but it's warm and cozy.

I'm with you. I got blasted for not thinking Royal wasnt worth a 2nd round pick. We had ZERO running game that year and Cutler had to throw him 200 balls, so he suddenly became a "superstar" according to many. I still think he is overrated and best sticking to ST.

DT has potential and the body, but he has no heart. If he lasts 5 years in the NFL...I'll be shocked.

Decker...I'll just leave it at that. The first time he catches 40 balls in a season, I'll be shocked. But since DT cant stay healthy and Royal cant get open...I guess it's a possibility.

Our WR corps is nowhere near as strong as many think. I dont know that trading Gaff makes us weaker, but we do need help.

turftoad
07-28-2011, 10:35 AM
Welcome to the club. It's a small an lonely one, but it's warm and cozy.

I'm with you. I got blasted for not thinking Royal wasnt worth a 2nd round pick. We had ZERO running game that year and Cutler had to throw him 200 balls, so he suddenly became a "superstar" according to many. I still think he is overrated and best sticking to ST.

DT has potential and the body, but he has no heart. If he lasts 5 years in the NFL...I'll be shocked.

Decker...I'll just leave it at that. The first time he catches 40 balls in a season, I'll be shocked. But since DT cant stay healthy and Royal cant get open...I guess it's a possibility.

Our WR corps is nowhere near as strong as many think. I dont know that trading Gaff makes us weaker, but we do need help.

Yes we do.
DT won't even be back til half way through the season and who knows if he'll even be the same or can stay healthy.
I don't think Royal is some kind of stud either but think he can replace Gaffneys numbers. We'll see if Lloyd is a one year wonder. That leaves Decker.
I think there are a lot of question marks with our WR corps.

Northman
07-28-2011, 10:55 AM
I think Royal overachieved that year, and we're not as set at WR as some posters think.

Again i have to disagree, at least with the Royal overachieving. The biggest problem with Royal is that Bronco's management (I.E Josh McDaniels) didnt really know where to utilize him the best and couldnt make up his mind if he wanted him as a punt returner specialist or a slot receiver. When Royal was the #2 Cutler had no problem getting him the ball. Sure, he caught a couple of teams by surprise early but it didnt take long for teams to realize that he could play the position very well. Its not really Eddie's fault that the past regime couldnt buy a clue on how to use him.

Lonestar
07-28-2011, 11:33 AM
Am not broken up Gaffney is gone, but are the 'kiddies' ready? DT is just as likely to never play a down again as help the team and Decker hasn't been on the field enough to know if he'll be useful.

I see the long term potential in what we have still on the team, had Mc Kinny still been around then the trade would have been a no brainer..

Not so sure why everyone is writing DT off yes in the past Achilles have been a death sentence, but then so were ACL, MCL surgeries.

Technology has made things much easier to fix.

he may never be a burner that he was but can be a BIG target just like marshall used to be and jsut as fast as he was.

I also see this going to more TE involvement in the passing game, so IMO we are loaded with receivers as we speak.

Losing an aging vet with a huge contract has not hurt us all that much.

Lonestar
07-28-2011, 11:37 AM
read that we are trying to get TE Fells from the rams. 275 lbs
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2011/3/30/2080519/rams-tight-ends-the-fells-mcdaniels-connection

Josh McDaniels, the St. Louis Rams new offensive coordinator, has a history with Rams TE Daniel Fells. Both McDaniels, during his tenure with the Broncos, and his old boss Bill Belichick courted the restricted free agent this time last year. That appears to bode well for Fells' place in the Rams offense this season.

As we mentioned yesterday, the hangup with Fells is related to the CBA. Ticketed for unrestricted free agency under the four-year rules, but likely a restricted free agent if the league gets put back on the no-cap rules under court injunction. (Sando had a good take on McD and tight ends yesterday, but didn't mention Fells and McDaniels' prior interest in him).

McDaniels shipped of a pretty good pass-catching tight end in Tony Scheffler as part of his purges in Denver. There's lots of room for debate as to whether had more to do with personal matters as opposed to his offensive approach.

LTC Pain
07-28-2011, 11:41 AM
read that we are trying to get TE Fells from the rams. 275 lbs
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2011/3/30/2080519/rams-tight-ends-the-fells-mcdaniels-connection

A DP blog also says the Broncos are trying acquire a DE named Bowen from the Cowboys.

LTC Pain
07-28-2011, 12:43 PM
Per PFT, the Redskins just signed Bowen but have not signed Jenkins yet.

Dzone
07-28-2011, 12:54 PM
feels like we are getting our ass kicked in FAgency

Bosco
07-29-2011, 04:27 AM
McFired didn't use Royal very well. Royal did really well under Shanahan cuz Shanahan used him properly.

I'd have a tough time buying that considering that in 2009 Royal's role changed very little from what he did in 2008. Both of those years he primarily played the flanker position on the outside of the formation, and save for the Patriots game he was next to worthless in 2009. Josh moved him down into the slot in the 3 and 4 wide sets for 2010 and tried to use him like Wes Welker and Royal's production picked up, but not quite what alot of us were hoping for.

Personally I don't think Royal's production has much of anything to do with the schemes. He started off hot in 2008 but was less effective going down the stretch and did basically the same thing last year. I think his problem is that he's always getting dinged up during the year and never really seems to get into a rhythm. I'd hate to question the kid's toughness but I'm starting to wonder if he has the heart and mentality to be a featured wide receiver in this league. God knows he has the talent.

Buckin' Gator
07-29-2011, 12:01 PM
But never tell the entire story.

Right, 'stories' generally start off 'Once Upon A Time' or 'This Is No Chit'
and they end wherever the one telling the 'story' wants them to end.

However, the actual 'on the field game stats' show 'exactly' what a player
did or didn't do, no matter what the various 'story tellers' might claim.... ;)

BroncoNut
07-29-2011, 12:06 PM
yeah, i kinda liked Gaffney. He sounds alright. I hope that we get some nice plays from this fellow.

Buckin' Gator
07-29-2011, 12:40 PM
Mmmm kay. I guess I missed all those contributions that were beyond what we could get with any WR. Perhaps I was underwhelmed with his ability to move the chains. Either way. I think mediocre is the best word to describe Gaffney in ANY conversation.

Jabar's 'average' ypc in 2010 was for 13.5 yards. That is also his 2 year ypc average
with the Broncos. Move the chains indeed....

In his 9 NFL seasons, he has averaged less than 11.8 ypc only once (8.5).
In his best season it was 15.4 ypc in his 3rd year with the Texans.
In his 9 year career it's 12.5 ypc, making him about as consistent as it gets.
* His two year ypc average as a Bronco (13.5) is a yard per catch better than his overall career (12.5) ypc is.

In his 2 years with the Broncos it's been 13.6 and 13.5 ypc.
He has played in 32 games, but has only been the starter in 18 of them.
He still has 119 for 1,607 yds, 13.5 ypc, long in 09 was 49 yds, long in 10 was 50 yds.
* In his limited career use as a runner, he has averaged 6.2 yds when asked to run the ball.

>>> And in his 9 years, he has a grand total of just 2 lost poss. fumbles and NONE since the 2004 season. Once he makes the catch, he doesn't turn it over.

Mediocre you claim? Well, he is a 9 year Vet, going into his 10th year in the NFL.
That alone says that you might be clueless on the meaning of the word, mediocre.

Sorry, but mediocre WR's don't last 10 years in the NFL.
Drafted by and played 4 Years with the Texans, (came out early after just his rsSo season).
Then 3 years with the Pats from 06-08.
Then 2 years with the Broncos.
Now with Shanny/Grossman/Skins.
He's no Jerry Rice, but he is NOT mediocre by any definition that I'm aware of.

Plus Shanny apparently doesn't believe that Jabar is either mediocre or to old to play,
and his opinion is worth a bit more than yours is in most peoples eyes I suspect.

The trade was probably a good deal for the Broncos, but that doesn't reflect a negative light on Jabar imoho. It might have also been a very good deal for the Skins, we'll see? :salute:

Ravage!!!
07-30-2011, 03:04 PM
However, the actual 'on the field game stats' show 'exactly' what a player
did or didn't do, no matter what the various 'story tellers' might claim.... ;)

:pound:

yeah.. OK!! :elefant: :elefant:

NorCalBronco7
07-30-2011, 03:11 PM
:pound:

yeah.. OK!! :elefant: :elefant:

Buckin Gator is the type of fan that doesnt understand the game outside the numbers.