Broncos Gameday Thread: Broncos vs. Dolphins

[G_Money]

I wonder if Paymah has any idea what it's like to actually break up a pass. Or if he knows where the first down marker is...

~G

[BroncoFanatic]

C'mon :defense::defense::defense: !!!


You've done well, but we need a big stop here!

[slim]

come on ref, call a penalty like roughing the line backer or something? we need you ref to win a game. everyone knows that we cannot win a game on our own.

Will one of the mods please get rid of this trash.

Thanks...

[LRtagger]

sack + holding

[G_Money]

Elvis loses a sack cuz they take the penalty. Tough one there.

~G

[Northman]

can someone get rid of this troll?

He's been warned to move his nonsense to the correct forum. If he keeps it up, well lets just say his stay will be shortlived.

[Den21vsBal19]

:defense::defense::defense::defense:

[Kapaibro]

How cool is it that our 5'10" Elvis beat 6'7" Jake Long!!!????

[weazel]

damn. DJ injured

[BroncoFanatic]

Egad, a yard short?

[slim]

****.......

[Nomad]

There's your blitz!

[Slick]

Tell me I just didn't see that. Ugh

[G_Money]

DJ hurt himself making that tackle. HAD to, to pull the RB back before he got the 1st.

Hopefully DJ's not too hurt.

~G

[LRtagger]

we bring the house on 3rd and 15...haha classic Slowik

[woosh]

come on ref, call some penalty like you did in the san diego chargers game. 1st down dolphins

[G_Money]

Oof. Tough spot.

~G

[woosh]

the ref should have blown the whistle when the ball just snapped so they could not get the first down.

[Slick]

we bring the house on 3rd and 15...haha classic Slowik

Yea, it's hilarious.

[Day1BroncoFan]

we need the ref for this 4th and 1 play

why don't you woosh yourself into the toilet, oh you are already there

[weazel]

Sporano's kind of a jackass. Whats with the first down signal every time he's on the camera? he's worse than a rookie WR

[topscribe]

If the Dolphins win, they should give the ball to Paymah, not the refs.

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[LRtagger]

my hate for Slowik is growing drastically.

[Kapaibro]

the ref should have blown the whistle when the ball just snapped so they could not get the first down.

Shut up already. We get it. You think we can only win with the refs help.

[LRtagger]

just add the guy to your ignore list sheesh

[Kapaibro]

Good D

[BroncoFanatic]

No playoffs. No wildcard. This team is just not good enough. This team is just not good.

[Slick]

Incredible. I may have to bow out before I say something that gets me in to trouble.

[Northman]

Well, they got my hopes up early in the year but now they are playing like i thought they would only worse.

[weazel]

No playoffs. No wildcard. This team is just not good enough. This team is just not good.

in other breaking shocking news, Tuesday follows Monday

[LRtagger]

fire slowik

[Kapaibro]

damn

[BroncoFanatic]

Another loss that Jay can take credit for, IMO

[Medford Bronco]

Disgusting. That is all I have to say.

this team is so sad on defense.

Pennington is cutting us like a knife.

We suck. :sad:

we will be lucky to be 8-8. It was a fluke and
a lucky ref call we were 3-0

sad sucky and I want to puke

[Northman]

Shanny has lost his touch.

[Den21vsBal19]

damn
My dog's just disappeared into the dining room :lol:

[G_Money]

Well the problem is I wanted to see growth over the course of the year. Instead the offense is regressing and the defense can't find their footing.

The D has played their hearts out today, but Paymah's not a starter, neither of our safeties are starters, our scheme is designed by a 3rd grader with an etch-a-sketch...

We're a young team that's losing confidence by the game. It's hard to buy into what your coaches are telling you when every week is worse than the week before.

We gots us some problems.

~G

[Bronco4ever]

It's sad that we are getting burned by Chad freaking Pennington because we are doing a good job on Ronnie Brown... :tsk:

[Nomad]

Another loss that Jay can take credit for, IMO

The whole team, first off the coaches then the players! I know the coaches can't execute but they can adjust which Denver never does.

[slim]

Disgusting. That is all I have to say.

this team is so sad on defense.

Pennington is cutting us like a knife.

We suck. :sad:

we will be lucky to be 8-8. It was a fluke and
a lucky ref call we were 3-0

sad sucky and I want to puke

The D wasn't the problem today...it was the O.

[BroncoFanatic]

The whole team, first off the coaches then the players! I know the coaches can't execute but they can adjust which Denver never does.

I don't disagree, but the coaches didn't throw 3 INTs

[weazel]

You guys can blame this loss on anyone you want, but the fact of the matter is, they only had 7 yards rushing, you will never win a game in the NFL with 7 rushing yards

[tomjonesrocks]

Well, another loss--but I had too much $hit going on and couldn't watch it. Quite upsetting anyway. Did Torain even play?

[Medford Bronco]

The D wasn't the problem today...it was the O.

Its a problem when you give up a 17 play drive when you finally got within 2.

God forbid anyone makes a play on 3rd down..


yes the offense was not great but the defense choked as usual

[Nomad]

Disgusting. That is all I have to say.

this team is so sad on defense.

Pennington is cutting us like a knife.

We suck. :sad:

we will be lucky to be 8-8. It was a fluke and
a lucky ref call we were 3-0

sad sucky and I want to puke

Med I said the Raider game was a fluke a while back and people went off! The Raiders were more unprepared than the BRONCOS were that good!

[Slick]

I still feel like we're beating ourselves. I won't blame coaches for turnovers. It has to stop.

[Zweems56]

Chat room go down? I lost it

[slim]

Its a problem when you give up a 17 play drive when you finally got within 2.

God forbid anyone makes a play on 3rd down..


yes the offense was not great but the defense choked as usual

We had 7 yards rushing and 3 ints....that is the game.

[G_Money]

Very true slim, but it still sucks that there's no way for the D to bail out the O when the O sucks.

No pressure on the QB = very few turnovers. We're at the bottom in yards and points, against both the rush and the pass.

So even in a game like this where the D HAS shown up for most of the game, they can't win it for us. We don't block punts, we don't run back picks for scores, we don't cause fumbles.

The O has to put up the points.

If they don't do that, we're toast whether the D shows up as much as it can or not.

~G

[LRtagger]

Well, another loss--but I had too much $hit going on and couldn't watch it. Quite upsetting anyway. Did Torain even play?

i think he had 3 carries for 1 yard

[Nomad]

I don't disagree, but the coaches didn't throw 3 INTs

Never they did that's why I said they don't execute! But you can keep running the same schemes on offense and defense and keep getting burnt!

[Day1BroncoFan]

this team sucks on both sides of the ball

[Bronco4ever]

The only thing that makes me feel better about this loss is that the Raiturds are far and away worse than we are.

[Kapaibro]

Thank you to our ST, and Defense, and Peyton and Eddie.

everyone else needs to scrub the toilets with their own toothbrush!

[Medford Bronco]

We had 7 yards rushing and 3 ints....that is the game.

We still were within 2 and Pennington carved us like a knife

so both suck

[LRtagger]

another flag lol

[Nomad]

The only thing that makes me feel better about this loss is that the Raiturds are far and away worse than we are.

We'll find out Nov 23!

[LRtagger]

now nobody can catch the ball

[broncobryce]

How many passes are we gonna drop?

[BroncoFanatic]

It sucks when you find out your season is DOA

[G_Money]

No more in this game.

~G

[topscribe]

Well the problem is I wanted to see growth over the course of the year. Instead the offense is regressing and the defense can't find their footing.

The D has played their hearts out today, but Paymah's not a starter, neither of our safeties are starters, our scheme is designed by a 3rd grader with an etch-a-sketch...

We're a young team that's losing confidence by the game. It's hard to buy into what your coaches are telling you when every week is worse than the week before.

We gots us some problems.

~G

In short, that is one pathetic secondary. Just awful.

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[Day1BroncoFan]

game set match... and most likely season

[Medford Bronco]

puke puke puke

Miami deserved to win this.

Now Cleveland is going to kick our ass on Thursday as well :(

[Broncolingus]

I am not sure Denver will go .500 this year...

Whatever the character trait is that forces a person to 'man-up' and get things done, this team does not have that trait...

...very sad.

[Slick]

I had fun in the gameday thread today even after that beat. After all the drama over the last couple weeks around here, there's still no forum I'd rather hang out on.

/sappyness

[LRtagger]

Yea, it's hilarious.

All I can do is laugh at this point...I think I am past the anger stage

[topscribe]

I am not sure Denver will go .500 this year...

Whatever the character trait is that forces a person to 'man-up' and get things done, this team does not have that trait...

...very said.

That's about it. I look for an 8 - 8 season.

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[Bronco4ever]

How this team is leading any division by a game is beyond me.

[broncobryce]

Yeah, I'm not too happy that cleveland is going to smoke us and we will be embarrassed on national Tv.....AGAIN......:mad:

[topscribe]

How this team is leading any division by a game is beyond me.

Not for long.

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[LRtagger]

Now Cleveland is going to kick our ass on Thursday as well :(

Then Atlanta, then NYJ, then Car, then Buff, then SD

it is going to be a loooooooong rest of the year :tsk:

[Kapaibro]

How this team is leading any division by a game is beyond me.

It's called KC, SD and Oak

[horsepig]

Can this team win another game? Well, yeah, they will, I just don't know who it might be. I wouldn't bet an old sock we can beat either the ratturds or the chefs, even at home.

[broncobryce]

Brandon Marshall went from not being able to keep ahold of the ball to not being able to catch the ball. great.

[Broncolingus]

I agree that losing - perhaps embarassingly so - to Cleveland is a distinct possibility.

Unfortunate..

[Dreadnought]

****!

That is all.

[KCL]

****!

That is all.

what was that dread?

[Sloanfeld]

Dierdorf said it best, two 4-4 teams going in two totally different directions.

DOLPHINS TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!!

[Dreadnought]

****!



Repeated for emphasis :mad:

[Bronco4ever]

It's called KC, SD and Oak

Yep. And it's pretty hard to believe that everyone can be that bad. What's the divisions' collective W-L the last 3 weeks? I don't think anyone has won a game.

[Day1BroncoFan]

I became convinced we suck during the KC beating.

[KCL]

It's called KC, SD and Oak

True...hell we're practically handing you all the division by losing even tho you all are also.

KC should of won that game today...:rolleyes:

[Den21vsBal19]

It's called KC, SD and Oak
Will this be the first year a team with a losing record makes the playoffs?

The way the division's shaping up, it's a possibility :lol:

[jrelway]

we ****** suck. how you lose to miami at home just baffles me.

[KCL]

Repeated for emphasis :mad:

Does that stand for damn? :confused: ;)

[Dreadnought]

Does that stand for damn? :confused: ;)

Thats the beauty of asterix', KCL. It can mean whatever the reader chooses. I sure as Hell know what it meant. Not Damn, either :D

[Traveler]

Two weeks to prepare and they still come out flat. The defensive scheme for the CB's was awful.

Why play Paymah off 8-10 yards almost the entire game? Third down efficiency was atricious as usual. Especially the 3rd and 19 against the defense. Great call by Miami.

Looks like my prediction of 6-10 might hold up.

[KCL]

Thats the beauty of asterix', KCL. It can mean whatever the reader chooses. I sure as Hell know what it meant. Not Damn, either :D

I know what it means...I've been saying it all season.

[horsepig]

I know the play was a disaster but, I loved the blitz call on 3rd & 19. At least as a fan I felt like they gave a s*#t and at least went for it.

[Kapaibro]

I know what it means...I've been saying it all season.

This is what it feels like to support KC :eek:

[spikerman]

Looks like my prediction of 6-10 might hold up. At this point you're more optimistic than me.

[Magnificent Seven]

Broncos would win if they didnt give us a bad call on Marshall! Marshall scored a touchdown but we got a yellow flag!!!!!! That is major Bullcrap!

[Dreadnought]

What a dogcrap running game. Gawd, that was beyond pitiful. Just pitiful. Pittman looked old and slow, and the blocking was just feeble.

[Traveler]

What a dogcrap running game. Gawd, that was beyond pitiful. Just pitiful. Pittman looked old and slow, and the blocking was just feeble.

Miami had something to do with that. Actually, they've played pretty well the last 3 weeks.

[Den21vsBal19]

Broncos would win if they didnt give us a bad call on Marshall! Marshall scored a touchdown but we got a yellow flag!!!!!! That is major Bullcrap!
Sorry, but we sucked before and after that call, dire though it was :mad:

Same as with the SD game, where we still had to make the plays to score after the bad call, all we had to do there was keep moving the ball, not serve it up on a silver platter :frusty:

Bull crap though it was, we sucked worse than that single call

[horsepig]

Start training Paymah to play free safety, he has all the tools and seems like he likes to hit too (after giving a 10 yard cushion to a guy whose career high was 5 catches in a game), can make plays out in the open field. Play Jack W. at corner and start building for the future of the defense. BTW, wouldn't it be nice to Trevor Price, Reggie Hayward, and the other one that's on the Cards now (can't recall his name right now) on our D-line?

[gobroncsnv]

Bertrand Berry.

[Nomad]

Start training Paymah to play free safety, he has all the tools and seems like he likes to hit too (after giving a 10 yard cushion to a guy whose career high was 5 catches in a game), can make plays out in the open field. Play Jack W. at corner and start building for the future of the defense. BTW, wouldn't it be nice to Trevor Price, Reggie Hayward, and the other one that's on the Cards now (can't recall his name right now) on our D-line?

Until the defensive scheme is adjusted/changed, the only CB that will make a difference will be Champ!

[topscribe]

Broncos would win if they didnt give us a bad call on Marshall! Marshall scored a touchdown but we got a yellow flag!!!!!! That is major Bullcrap!

Well, I have to agree. If the Broncos don't get that bad call, they probably
win the game.

However, as Jay just said in his post game presser, they had their opportunities.
There was still a lot of football left after that penalty. They still could have
taken control and won. They didn't.

It's not on the officials. It's on the Broncos.

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[horsepig]

Yeah Bert Berry, but how does a team keep those guys with the cap?

[JKcatch724]

-Cutler was horrible. Most, if not all of the blame goes to him after this loss. His picks were absolutely hideous. He needs to get his eyes checked for tunnel vision. He has all the tools in the world to be an elite quarterback, but he doesn't have the composure yet.

-Three picks led to what, 13 Miami points? Do the math.

-The Marshall PI was bull. That clearly changed the game. We would have had the lead and the momentum. Instead, a frustrated Cutler tried to force one on the next play. I was happy to see Cutler and Marshall to get pissed about that call.

-Peyton Hillis is beast. What a steal in the seventh round.

-Eddie Royal is a beast. Why he didn't return kicks before blows my mind.

-The defense held their own. They gave up one touchdown and played with some real fire. They had the running game locked down and had decent pressure.

-Paymah got torched. At what point to you realize they ran the same damn route 700 times?!

-The running game was embarrassing. The Pittman experiment needs to be done.

-Somebody needs to put a muzzle on Joey Porter. He needs to take the shoes off his feet cuz all he does is runs his mouth.

[Den21vsBal19]

Until the defensive scheme is adjusted/changed, the only CB that will make a difference will be Champ!
Champ doesn't make that much of a difference..................without him it just means both corners can be picked on equally...............

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Channel 4 is reporting that they heard an MCL injury for DJ:tsk:

[topscribe]

Start training Paymah to play free safety, he has all the tools and seems like he likes to hit too (after giving a 10 yard cushion to a guy whose career high was 5 catches in a game), can make plays out in the open field. Play Jack W. at corner and start building for the future of the defense. BTW, wouldn't it be nice to Trevor Price, Reggie Hayward, and the other one that's on the Cards now (can't recall his name right now) on our D-line?


Bertrand Berry.

You know, I have been bashing that front four all season. But I just realized
this game that the Broncos have a good front four, in fact a good front
seven. They are developing into a real good one. Yes, they need one more
good DT, but they are getting very strong up front.

I also have been saying that the Broncos have a real good secondary. Nuts.
That is one pathetic secondary. There is only one really good player on it,
and he is injured. Paymah proved he will never excel at CB. He was schooled
today, and that wasn't Randy Moss or Chamberlain out there. I shudder to
think what would have happened had it been.

That is just plain garbage in the secondary. :tsk:

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[Nomad]

Champ doesn't make that much of a difference..................without him it just means both corners can be picked on equally...............

Your right! Champ stays off the same distance but the only difference is he is smarter reading plays and more aggressive. People are acting like Paymah is the only CB to cushion his man and he was picked on most of the game!

[topscribe]

Channel 4 is reporting that they heard an MCL injury for DJ:tsk:

Well, if that's true, so much for my claim of a good front seven . . . :look:

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[Den21vsBal19]

Channel 4 is reporting that they heard an MCL injury for DJ:tsk:
Oh, ain't that just spiffing :sad:

[Den21vsBal19]

Your right! Champ stays off the same distance but the only difference is he is smarter reading plays and more aggressive. People are acting like Paymah is the only CB to cushion his man and he was picked on most of the game!
That's got to be down to Slowick's 'planning' :rolleyes:

I swear, he want's to beat his own record for ineptitude :mad:

[G_Money]

That's about the best I could hope for. Didn't blow out his ACL. Good news.

MCL isn't a big deal. He'll be back in a coupla weeks depending on the severity of the injury.

I'd hope Woodyard could see the field since the Will is his position, but this just means more of Winborn and Moss as a LB probably.

And I still don't think we're a good front 7, top. That utter lack of pressure on the QB and ridiculously high completion rates isn't a fluke.

I think a lot of it is scheme issues, but if we had more talent in the front 7 they would also make more plays, scheme or no scheme.

Loved the Run D today though. At least we were able to do one thing well, which is a departure from previous weeks.

~G

[Denver Native (Carol)]

That's about the best I could hope for. Didn't blow out his ACL. Good news.

MCL isn't a big deal. He'll be back in a coupla weeks depending on the severity of the injury.

I'd hope Woodyard could see the field since the Will is his position, but this just means more of Winborn and Moss as a LB probably.

And I still don't think we're a good front 7, top. That utter lack of pressure on the QB and ridiculously high completion rates isn't a fluke.

I think a lot of it is scheme issues, but if we had more talent in the front 7 they would also make more plays, scheme or no scheme.

Loved the Run D today though. At least we were able to do one thing well, which is a departure from previous weeks.

~G

Gary Miller on Channel 4 said DJ would be out for a month - don't know if that is his speculation or what. Probably so - not sure how they would know this soon that it will be a month.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Total game stats here: Miami had 72 total plays, Broncos had 59 :tsk: Can't blame this one on the Defense.

http://sports.cbs4denver.com/fb/boxscore.asp?gamecode=20081102007&home=7&vis=15

[Nomad]

:ohwell: I'm signing off! Hopefully the BRONCOS forget about this game because it'll be a short week and a trip to Cleveland!!

[topscribe]

That's about the best I could hope for. Didn't blow out his ACL. Good news.

MCL isn't a big deal. He'll be back in a coupla weeks depending on the severity of the injury.

I'd hope Woodyard could see the field since the Will is his position, but this just means more of Winborn and Moss as a LB probably.

And I still don't think we're a good front 7, top. That utter lack of pressure on the QB and ridiculously high completion rates isn't a fluke.

I think a lot of it is scheme issues, but if we had more talent in the front 7 they would also make more plays, scheme or no scheme.

Loved the Run D today though. At least we were able to do one thing well, which is a departure from previous weeks.

~G

Well, what I saw, G, was Pennington completing passes with a Bronco in his
face. Time and again. The pressure was there. But Paymah was playing five
yards off the receiver. Why? The Dolphins don't have any burners. And
Paymah runs a 4.35 40. So Pennington is about to be pulverized for yet
another sack, and he looks over and sees no one within five yards of the
receiver. No problem. Just flip it out there for another first down.

The Broncos did a good job against a strong Dolphins running attack. They
applied good pressure on the QB. But the secondary looked like they were
high on dope.

P.S. And I have to comment that, while he has a ways to go, Moss is looking
better every week.

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[Dreadnought]

Good points here. The run D was really quite solid today. Decent pass rush.

Now, as others have already said, the Million $ question is how in the Hopping Hell do you have your corners yield an 8 yard cushion repeatedly again the purest dink n' dunk passer in the League? Who thought that one up? Good Lord, I was nauseous watching it. Just awful.

[KCL]

Good points here. The run D was really quite solid today. Decent pass rush.

Now, as others have already said, the Million $ question is how in the Hopping Hell do you have your corners yield an 8 yard cushion repeatedly again the purest dink n' dunk passer in the League? Who thought that one up? Good Lord, I was nauseous watching it. Just awful.

DRead I am with you.I hate that zone def crap!

[Dreadnought]

DRead I am with you.I hate that zone def crap!

You can understand it more when facing Tom Brady or Drew Brees. They'll flat Kill you with the long ball if you screw up.

Against Pennington? Thse lame-o WR's should have been jammed virtually every play, because he can't make you pay.

[ChampWJ]

Good points here. The run D was really quite solid today. Decent pass rush.

Now, as others have already said, the Million $ question is how in the Hopping Hell do you have your corners yield an 8 yard cushion repeatedly again the purest dink n' dunk passer in the League? Who thought that one up? Good Lord, I was nauseous watching it. Just awful.

Awful, true. Yet fully expected.

[KCL]

You can understand it more when facing Tom Brady or Drew Brees. They'll flat Kill you with the long ball if you screw up.

Against Pennington? Thse lame-o WR's should have been jammed virtually every play, because he can't make you pay.

Our young corners have played better than I expected (one was injured today along with several others).When they play man on man coverage they do quite well.Then they switch them to the zone def and they get burned every time.Yea lets play off the receivers and tacke them after they have caught the ball for a big gain...:rolleyes:

[hamrob]

Two points I haven't seen made:

1. What happened to the TE? Scheff goes down and so does the middle of the field?

2. Ryan Torrain...didn't look so good! :-(

[topscribe]

Two points I haven't seen made:

1. What happened to the TE? Scheff goes down and so does the middle of the field?

2. Ryan Torrain...didn't look so good! :-(

1. Scheffler is a very good TE and potentially an elite one as a receiver. After
him is a huge drop-off. We just cannot expect an equivalent performance from
either Jackson or Graham. Nonetheless, we could have more plays designed
for the TE because they aren't that bad, either. So I am with you in wondering
why especially Jackson was not utilized more.

2. Today was the first time Torain every carried the ball in a pro-level game,
and the first time he carried it at all since essentially his junior year in
college. I warned everyone not to expect too much of him for several weeks.
He needs to get back into football shape, and he needs to become more
accustomed to the speed of the pro game.

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[Denver Native (Carol)]

1. Scheffler is a very good TE and potentially an elite one as a receiver. After
him is a huge drop-off. We just cannot expect an equivalent performance from
either Jackson or Graham. Nonetheless, we could have more plays designed
for the TE because they aren't that bad, either. So I am with you in wondering
why especially Jackson was not utilized more.

2. Today was the first time Torain every carried the ball in a pro-level game,
and the first time he carried it at all since essentially his junior year in
college. I warned everyone not to expect too much of him for several weeks.
He needs to get back into football shape, and he needs to become more
accustomed to the speed of the pro game.

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They are using Graham almost for blocking. As long as that happens, we don't know what he could do with Cutler consistently throwing the ball to him.

[topscribe]

They are using Graham almost for blocking.

Yes, he is a superb blocker (although he did allow a Porter sack today), but a
pedestrian receiver, which is why I stipulated "especially" Jackson.

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[G_Money]

You can understand it more when facing Tom Brady or Drew Brees. They'll flat Kill you with the long ball if you screw up.

Against Pennington? Thse lame-o WR's should have been jammed virtually every play, because he can't make you pay.

Slowik.

Drives me.

INSANE.

And if anyone can explain to me why Paymah was out there for 15 completions in front of him when Jack Williams could be making actual plays on the ball - since that's what Jack does - I'd like to hear it.

"We don't want to make plays on the ball in this defense, that's risky."

Apparently so is never making a play. It's not Paymah's fault - he did what they told him to do, and he'll never be a playmaking cover-corner anyway.

If you want a guy who should be a dime back or backup FS playing your 2nd CB position, and then you hamstring him by telling him to never let the play get beyond him (even though you simultaneously roll safety coverage to his side for anything beyond 15 yards... :confused: ) then you get...well, what happened to Paymah on those last few series.

Know your personnel. Know their personnel. Try to put your personnel in the best position to take advantage of their personnel.

Damn, you'd think this was rocket science.

~G

[hamrob]

I posted the qoute from Marquand Manual....yesterday I believe. Manual says...we know that Pennington is going to complete passes...so we just have to keep the ball in front of us. Talk about a defeatist attitude! Where does it come from?

Bob Slowik.

I can live with our defense being over matched...but giving teams 8yd cushions and not even trying to make plays, but allowing any receiver to catch the ball is truly like a High School defensive philosophy. Two things that are apparent about Slowik's coaching:

1. He doesn't want his db's to make plays on the ball...let them catch it...then make sure you tackle them! Assanine!

2. He doesn't coach his players to strip the ball either.

Last note. I don't care if the defense coaching staff lacks consistency or not. Allowing a coach to teach his players to give plays away...is inexcusable! Slowik needs to be gone!

[Lonestar]

Two weeks to prepare and they still come out flat. The defensive scheme for the CB's was awful.

Why play Paymah off 8-10 yards almost the entire game? Third down efficiency was atricious as usual. Especially the 3rd and 19 against the defense. Great call by Miami.

Looks like my prediction of 6-10 might hold up.


HEy remember slowick is a great DB coach.............

I have oceanfront land down the street for sale if you still believe that..

[G_Money]

Champ likes him because he encourages Champ to play Champ's Way. That's not a good indicator of whether he's actually even a good DB coach, let alone DC.

I just get frustrated watching other teams defenses attack their opponents and try to alter their game plan, get them out of their comfort zones.

And then I see ours. "What's that, you'd like to throw the ball 7 yards, preferrably with no one in your face? I'll see you your seven yards and raise you a total inability to tackle."

Today we made the decision not to get beaten by the Phins running attack. And we weren't. But once we shut down the run we should have gone after the passer or jumped the routes of the receivers, and we did neither. We made Pennington beat us - and he did.

Even when we start off well we can't finish it. And I still don't think our guys know what the hell they're doing out there.

"What play is this? Oh, forget it, I'm just gonna run around in circles and hope I bump into the guy with the ball. It'll probably be as effective anyway."

~G

[ChampWJ]

Champ likes him because he encourages Champ to play Champ's Way. That's not a good indicator of whether he's actually even a good DB coach, let alone DC.

I just get frustrated watching other teams defenses attack their opponents and try to alter their game plan, get them out of their comfort zones.

And then I see ours. "What's that, you'd like to throw the ball 7 yards, preferrably with no one in your face? I'll see you your seven yards and raise you a total inability to tackle."

Today we made the decision not to get beaten by the Phins running attack. And we weren't. But once we shut down the run we should have gone after the passer or jumped the routes of the receivers, and we did neither. We made Pennington beat us - and he did.

Even when we start off well we can't finish it. And I still don't think our guys know what the hell they're doing out there.

"What play is this? Oh, forget it, I'm just gonna run around in circles and hope I bump into the guy with the ball. It'll probably be as effective anyway."

~G

That's the truth. Don't forget the wishful thinking: "Maybe the ball won't come in my direction on this play" and the ensuing confusion and surprise when it does.

[Lonestar]

Cleveland licking the chops now. Can't wait for the BRONCOS to go to the DogPound Thurs night!

lets see we had two weeks to get ready for a home game MIA and just 4 for a game IN CLE and rookie QB.. this looks like a debacle in the making..

And how many MYSELF included thought the second half of our season would Be a breeze..

[Lonestar]

Champ likes him because he encourages Champ to play Champ's Way. That's not a good indicator of whether he's actually even a good DB coach, let alone DC.

I just get frustrated watching other teams defenses attack their opponents and try to alter their game plan, get them out of their comfort zones.

And then I see ours. "What's that, you'd like to throw the ball 7 yards, preferrably with no one in your face? I'll see you your seven yards and raise you a total inability to tackle."

Today we made the decision not to get beaten by the Phins running attack. And we weren't. But once we shut down the run we should have gone after the passer or jumped the routes of the receivers, and we did neither. We made Pennington beat us - and he did.

Even when we start off well we can't finish it. And I still don't think our guys know what the hell they're doing out there.

"What play is this? Oh, forget it, I'm just gonna run around in circles and hope I bump into the guy with the ball. It'll probably be as effective anyway."

~G

did you not mean see your seven and give you eight?..

[hamrob]

Great Article....with Marshall Qoutes from after the game:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/nov/02/krieger-marshall-upset-broncos-strategy/

KRIEGER: Marshall upset with Broncos' strategy

Things are getting a little tense in the Broncos’ locker room, which should come as no surprise. You go from 3-0 to 4-4 and the usual coaching bromides stop resonating.

So Brandon Marshall stepped off the Stepford reservation Sunday, speaking for many fans when he ripped a defensive scheme that had the Broncos’ cornerbacks giving so much cushion to Miami receivers they turned someone named Greg Camarillo into a star.

Marshall let loose when I asked him what a defense is giving up when it floods the box to stop the run, as both defenses did Sunday in the Dolphins’ 26-17 victory.

“When I look at it, it’s common sense,” Marshall said. “If I was a receiver going against our defense and they’re stacking the box and we’re playing a one-high defense and eight in the box and the DBs are 10 yards off of me, I’m going to catch 10 to 12 balls a game.

“I mean, I don’t even know that receiver’s name who caught all those balls. It’s that simple. Tighten up the coverage and just play ball. It’s real simple. They don’t need to be 10 yards off. Tighten it up.

“You see they don’t do that against us. The reason why is because a receiver will kill ’em. I don’t even know the name of that receiver. Don’t know it.”

That would be Camarillo, an undrafted free agent cut by the Chargers and picked up by the Dolphins who had never caught more than six balls in a game before catching 11 for 111 yards against the Broncos, most on lollipops from Chad Pennington with Dre’ Bly and Karl Paymah looking on from distant area codes.

Of course, the fact that Marshall caught only two passes for 27 yards might have had something to do with his frustration, too.

“I’m definitely disappointed, definitely frustrated, but it’s part of the game,” Marshall said. “I was told you just got to deal with it, but when you get that opportunity, when you see one-high or cover 1, everybody’s got to be on the same page and the ball should come. But today it didn’t come my way and we didn’t get it done. . . . When we got our opportunities, we didn’t take advantage of it and the one we did, you see I made a play on it.”

That would be the dubious offensive pass interference call that nullified a 77-yard touchdown pass from Jay Cutler to Marshall near the end of the third quarter.

It was a game-changing call, and a very questionable one, but it’s hard to argue that the Broncos deserved to win this one. They had an unfathomable 14 net rushing yards on a total of 12 running plays. Cutler, forced to throw 46 times by the comatose running game, had a season-high three interceptions.

Combined with a defense that has ranked near the bottom of the league all season, that’s not a formula for success.

But something else is going on within the offense now. For the first time all season, Marshall was listed on the Broncos injury report last week with a groin injury. This seemed a little odd coming off a bye week, so I asked him about it.

“It didn’t affect me at all,” he said. “I mean, this week there was some question of how tough I am and I went out there and I think I played a great game. The leg wasn’t bothering me. It just felt good. It felt great. It was a tough week, but I got through it and I feel healthy.”

Hmmm. Who questioned Marshall’s toughness? Perhaps I missed it, but I recall no one in the media doing so. And why would we? In the two games prior to the bye, he caught 15 balls for 175 yards.

So I’m assuming it was someone within the organization. This is a fairly typical coach’s ploy to get players to play harder, so Mike Shanahan would be my first guess, but Cutler also showed a willingness to call out his leading receiver prior to the season.

In any case, if this was a psychological ploy intended to motivate Marshall, it backfired. Cutler, who was accused of looking for Marshall too much after some of his earlier interceptions, threw his second pick Sunday trying to get the ball to Marshall and seemed to stop looking for him for long stretches after that.

The frustration of being challenged to play through an injury and then getting only two balls may well have led to Marshall’s emotion afterward. Still, it’s hard to argue with the substance of his critique of the defensive scheme against the notoriously weak-armed Pennington.

Having lost three in a row, the Broncos are beginning to show internal fissures. Marshall will no doubt be criticized for his candor. But it’s going to take more than head games for Shanahan to put Humpty Dumpty together again.

[hamrob]

Broncos report: D.J. Williams, McCree, Pittman all injured in loss:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/nov/02/broncos-report-dj-williams-mccree-pittman-all-inju/

A Broncos defense missing one captain is about to be minus another.

Weak-side linebacker D.J. Williams suffered an unspecified injury to his medial collateral ligament on Miami’s long fourth-quarter touchdown drive and was on crutches after the game.

There’s no immediate timetable for his return, according to coach Mike Shanahan.

But with a short turnaround before Thursday’s game in Cleveland, Denver almost certainly will be minus its leading-tackler for the Browns and quite possibly beyond.

Williams would be the third Denver defensive starter sidelined in recent weeks, joining Pro Bowl cornerback Champ Bailey (groin), who’s out at least a month, and his brother, Boss, who’s out for the season with a knee injury.

The Broncos may also be without safety Marlon McCree, who was injured on the same play as Williams defending a third-and-19 screen pass. McCree had worked his way back into the starting lineup Sunday. But he was already in the locker room in the game’s final moments Sunday, walking stiff-legged on a bum left leg.

Both McCree and Williams will have magnetic resonance imaging exams scheduled Monday.

“We’re not going to fold,” vowed defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson. “We’re still going to go out and do what we’re supposed to do. Those are two big losses. But we still have got to play.”

Rookie Wesley Woodyard replaced Williams in base situations, with Louis Green in the nickel package.

“It’s really tough. I don’t know what to say or do,” a downcast middle linebacker Nate Webster said about the possibility of an extended period without Williams. “Having that bond and that rhythm is important, knowing that guy next to you and how we play together. It hurts. He’s a leader of our defense, a captain.”

Calvin Lowry, who already had been playing in the nickel, replacing strong safety Marquand Manuel in that package, filled in for McCree.

Adding insult to those injuries is the potential loss of starting running back Michael Pittman, too. Pittman already had seen a specialist after suffering a neck stinger in the loss at New England. He exacerbated the problem in the first quarter Sunday and was forced out of the game when the pain became overwhelming.

“I don’t know if I’m going to play next week or when I’m going to play. I’m very frustrated right now,” Pittman said. “ . . . I’ve just got to find out what’s really wrong with me.”

GOING HOG WILD

Peyton Hillis lost his starting fullback job to Spencer Larsen because he wasn’t as physical as a lead blocker.

His hands never were in question, which he again demonstrated Sunday.

Hillis, the rookie out of Arkansas, caught seven passes for 116 yards. He had a 47-yard reception and a 39-yarder. He even hurdled a defender to open the second half.

“Really, I just worked 110 percent in practice. And I’ve done a lot of things good, not great. I’m perfect by any means,” Hillis said of his re-insertion back into the lineup. “But I think the last couple weeks I’ve shown them I can do it.”

It’s just the fourth time a Broncos running back has had a triple-digit receiving day. Floyd Little was the last in Oct. 1974. Bobby Anderson has the team record (143 yards) at the position on Sept. 30, 1973.

Hillis also became the first member of the Broncos backfield to score a receiving touchdown with his 1-yard catch in the fourth quarter.

ED-DIE, ED-DIE

Eddie Royal has been limited to punt returns only because of his starting role on offense. But with Andre Hall hobbled by an ankle sprain and Glenn Martinez de-activated, Royal got dual special-teams duties. He let the opening kickoff slip through his fingers. But he then popped a 95-yard runback which is the longest non-scoring kickoff return in Broncos history. Only Nemiah Wilson (Oct. 8, 1966) and Goldie Sellers (Oct. 2, 1966) had longer runbacks, both with 100-yard touchdowns.

“It’s bittersweet,” Royal said. “Its good to make a play like that but I have to finish it off.”

The Broncos also got big-time contributions elsewhere on special teams. Matt Prater, who did miss a 49-yard field goal, hit his fifth straight 50-yard attempt, tying him for the most in a season in team history. And Brett Kern continued his recent stellar play by averaging 46.3 yards with three punts inside the 20, including one on a 61-yarder that pinned the Dolphins at the 11.

LONG WAIT IS OVER

Jarvis Moss had his first-two sack game as a pro.

On the first, the 2007 first-round pick took advantage of John Engelberger forcing Miami quarterback Chad Pennington to roll right and hurry out of the pocket. Moss tackled running back Ronnie Brown as he took the direct snap out of the ‘Wildcat’ formation and ran to his right, looking to throw.

“I’ve been working my butt off,” Moss said, happy about his personal accomplishment but disappointed at the team’s fate. “I go to practice and try to out-practice everybody and show the coaches that im prepared and that im going to go out and play physical and smart. And it’s kind of carried over to the game, the way I’ve been practicing lately.”

ETC.:

-Pennington’s 57.5 percent completion rate marked the first time Denver has allowed a quarterback to hit on fewer than 60 percent of his passes.

-- The Broncos used rookie Josh Bell as their nickel back over Jack Williams. Bell was signed on Oct. 27 off the practice squad and it was his NFL debut.

-- Denver fell to 3-11-1 vs. Miami all-time in the regular season.

[sneakers]

How many rushing yards did we get today???? Did we get double digits?

[broncophan]

lol.....14