Beal (7th round) put up similar Big 12 #s to Miller (2 overall)

[robert ethan]

..g:shocked:o figure

[chazoe60]

so what you're saying is we got two good players? Sweet.

[robert ethan]

so what you're saying is we got two good players? Sweet.

Hopefully. Beal had more tackles and tackles for loss in his career, Miller had a few more sacks. But there isn't much difference overall. Overall, I'd say that Miller is overrated and Beal severely underrated. I think the top of the Bronco's draft sucked, but they made some good late picks to offset that. Particularly Virgil Green and Jeremy Beal. I think those two have as good as chance as anyone else they took today to excel. Shame they had to settle for a linebacker with such a high pick.

[Ravage!!!]

You can't judge ANYONE's play by "numbers" alone. Thats baseball

[sneakers]

Can we have Jessica Beal instead (the 7th Heaven version?)

[rcsodak]

Boomer. Sooner! ;)

Beal was an animal early on in his college career. Accolades galore.
His last year wasn't his best.

But he's talented. And has as good of chance as any to make the team. He might even help.

I WILL say, he's as, if not more, talented than ayers.

[claymore]

Hopefully. Beal had more tackles and tackles for loss in his career, Miller had a few more sacks. But there isn't much difference overall. Overall, I'd say that Miller is overrated and Beal severely underrated. I think the top of the Bronco's draft sucked, but they made some good late picks to offset that. Particularly Virgil Green and Jeremy Beal. I think those two have as good as chance as anyone else they took today to excel. Shame they had to settle for a linebacker with such a high pick.

McDaniels nuts are That way --->>>>>>>>>>>>

[Northman]

Man Ethan, you must really hate being a Bronco fan. lmao

[Dzone]

haha Jennifer Beals...hey Like this Beales guy but if he is that good, how does he last till 247th pick in the draft? Makes one think that maybe there are some pretty good UDFAs out their waiting to sign

[robert ethan]

Man Ethan, you must really hate being a Bronco fan. lmao

Well check it out for yourself, you don't believe. Beal came out of high school with the same rating as Miller (and a higher GPA), then went on to have an equally, if not more effective, four years in the Big 12. What makes Miller the "can't miss star" and Beal the afterthought?:confused:

[TXBRONC]

McDaniels nuts are That way --->>>>>>>>>>>>

:rofl:

[TXBRONC]

Well check it out for yourself, you don't believe. Beal came out of high school with the same rating as Miller (and a higher GPA), then went on to have an equally, if not more effective, four years in the Big 12. What makes Miller the "can't miss star" and Beal the afterthought?:confused:

How does Beals last that long? By not being as good as Miller. :whoknows:

[CoachChaz]

Unless Beal is a James Harrison story...which would be extremely rare and unique...there is probably a reason they are separated by 245 picks. I thought Beal would go higher, but this was a deep DE class. Add to the fact that most NFL teams only have their top 150 players on their boards and sometimes talent slides

[Ravage!!!]

Well check it out for yourself, you don't believe. Beal came out of high school with the same rating as Miller (and a higher GPA), then went on to have an equally, if not more effective, four years in the Big 12. What makes Miller the "can't miss star" and Beal the afterthought?:confused:

Again, you are purely looking at the numbers. THankfully, coaches and GMs do more than base someones "effectiveness" by more than numbers. I'm guessing that the reason Miller is rated by many to be the best defensive player in the draft, and Beals was a 7th rounder, is based on their actual play.

[gobroncsnv]

Well, we could use some luck along the lines of this guy being the "TD" of this draft for us. What a home run that would be!!!! Certainly there are MANY who were just abject sleepers, so I'll grasp at this hope for Beal to be exactly that.

[Montana Battlin Bear]

add in the fact that Beal ran a 5.16 40 yard his stock sank like a brick

[TXBRONC]

Again, you are purely looking at the numbers. THankfully, coaches and GMs do more than base someones "effectiveness" by more than numbers. I'm guessing that the reason Miller is rated by many to be the best defensive player in the draft, and Beals was a 7th rounder, is based on their actual play.

I'll have to go back and check but I thought I read yesterday on NFL.com.

[RedlineAg08]

I'm taking nothing away from Beal because he was a good player, but pull up the tape and watch Von Miller in the final minutes against Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas, Baylor and you'll see why the are separated by 245 picks.

[topscribe]

Well check it out for yourself, you don't believe. Beal came out of high school with the same rating as Miller (and a higher GPA), then went on to have an equally, if not more effective, four years in the Big 12. What makes Miller the "can't miss star" and Beal the afterthought?:confused:

Well then, maybe they'll both kick butt.

Wouldn't that just be too cool?

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[robert ethan]

Again, you are purely looking at the numbers. ..., is based on their actual play.

So if Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson both gain around 2,000 yards one is a star and the other is a dud? Or if Tom Brady and Peyton Manning both throw 50 TDs one can be great and one awful? If Belichik and Tomlin both win 16 games, one is clearly a much better coach?

I think that "numbers" and "actual play" are pretty much one and the same. It doesn't matter if Miller looks better getting the numbers. Beal was just as effective a player against the same competition.

[CoachChaz]

Watch the film.

[Agent of Orange]

I guess this means that we should have drafted Timmy Chang and Colt Brennan.

[robert ethan]

I guess this means that we should have drafted Timmy Chang and Colt Brennan.

Neither of those two QBs had exceptional passer ratings for their career. You wouldn't draft them high on numbers, even though they played college ball until they were about 25. Brennan didn't even start his college career until he was 22. Beal redshirted, and is a year older than Miller, but other than that their overall production is very close. Miller has a few more sacks, Beal has more tackles and tackles for loss, both have just 1 int and the forced fumbles are close as well. Miller may have looked more spectacular but the end results were the same.

[Agent of Orange]

Neither of those two QBs had exceptional passer ratings for their career. You wouldn't draft them high on numbers, even though they played college ball until they were about 25. Beal redshirted, and is a year older than Miller, but other than that their overall production is very close. Miller has a few more sacks, Beal has more tackles and tackles for loss, both have just 1 int and the forced fumbles are close as well. Miller may have looked more spectacular but the end results were the same.

Beal also played on a team with more talent around him that made it harder to game plan him.

And, as was the case with Chang and Brennan, its not purely about putting up numbers in college (though thats a component).

Just out of curiosity, what was Beal's 40 time?

[bcbronc]

Sheesh tough crowd. What's wrong with pointing out that the guy we took in the 7th round put up comparable production to the guy many had rated the best defensive playe in the draft?

Numbers aren't the be all end all, but a sack is a sack and a tfl is a tfl. We can, and should, root for both guys to be awesome.

[Superchop 7]

Beals is pretty slow and looked poor in some of the blocking drills.

BUT....alot of people said Doom would never make it.....

He has great football instincts and a very high motor.

He projects to ILB, with my personal opinion that he should be a fullback.

A 262 pound fullback.

[bcbronc]

Beals is pretty slow and looked poor in some of the blocking drills.

BUT....alot of people said Doom would never make it.....

He has great football instincts and a very high motor.

He projects to ILB, with my personal opinion that he should be a fullback.

A 262 pound fullback.

A fullback? Okay, have to admit, didn't see that coming.

I expect nothing his rookie year but think he projects to pass rush specialist.

[I Eat Staples]

Beal is too small to play DE but too slow to play OLB. That's why he was a 7th round pick.

Still though, he's a great player to take a flier on in the 7th round. Any production on ST or as a pass rusher will be fine from him.

[Northman]

Well check it out for yourself, you don't believe. Beal came out of high school with the same rating as Miller (and a higher GPA), then went on to have an equally, if not more effective, four years in the Big 12. What makes Miller the "can't miss star" and Beal the afterthought?:confused:

Im guessing the guys who spend more time evaluating them both.

[TXBRONC]

Im guessing the guys who spend more time evaluating them both.

:nod: :nod: :nod:

[Ravage!!!]

I think that "numbers" and "actual play" are pretty much one and the same. It doesn't matter if Miller looks better getting the numbers. Beal was just as effective a player against the same competition.

For one, I never said Beal was a 'dud' or 'awful' simply because he doesn't have the same abilities as Miller. But the fact remains, he's not as good as Miller.

Using your examples, I think we can say this: Jamal Lewis (2066) and Barry Sanders (2053) both ran for 2000 yrds in a season while in the NFL, would you consider Lewis to be ANYWHERE near the RB that Barry Sanders was?

I think your perspective that "numbers" and "play" being the same is completely off. I think that's how you rate baseball players and fantasy football sheets. In fact, I find it to be a lack of football acumen to look at numbers and say its the same thing as "actual play." But that's your opinion and you are certainly welcome to have it/keep it.

That being said, I'm thrilled we got Beal when we did. I always like having instinctive LBs on the team. But Miller is a blue-chipper while Beal.......well.... is a 7th rounder. I never think it says you are a bad football player if you got drafted to the NFL. So I don't think Beal is bad by any means.

[CoachChaz]

Biggest issue with Beal is his speed and technique. Miller is WAY faster and has more than one move. Beal is also a tweener. He weighs more than Doom, but still looks more like a 3-4 OLB. I think he can be coached up and be a good player in the NFL. He works hard and studies and has a very cerebral approach to his game and I wouldnt be shocked if he could be a starter one day. I think he was drafted ALOT lower than most expected and I'm glad he is on our team.


But all that being said...he's not on the same level as Miller as far as immediate NFL readiness and intangibles go.

[rcsodak]

For one, I never said Beal was a 'dud' or 'awful' simply because he doesn't have the same abilities as Miller. But the fact remains, he's not as good as Miller.

Using your examples, I think we can say this: Jamal Lewis (2066) and Barry Sanders (2053) both ran for 2000 yrds in a season while in the NFL, would you consider Lewis to be ANYWHERE near the RB that Barry Sanders was?

I think your perspective that "numbers" and "play" being the same is completely off. I think that's how you rate baseball players and fantasy football sheets. In fact, I find it to be a lack of football acumen to look at numbers and say its the same thing as "actual play." But that's your opinion and you are certainly welcome to have it/keep it.

That being said, I'm thrilled we got Beal when we did. I always like having instinctive LBs on the team. But Miller is a blue-chipper while Beal.......well.... is a 7th rounder. I never think it says you are a bad football player if you got drafted to the NFL. So I don't think Beal is bad by any means.
OU homer here....so im curious as to why y'all keep calling him an LB. He's a DE.

[robert ethan]

For one, I never said Beal was a 'dud' or 'awful' simply because he doesn't have the same abilities as Miller. But the fact remains, he's not as good as Miller.

Using your examples, I think we can say this: Jamal Lewis (2066) and Barry Sanders (2053) both ran for 2000 yrds in a season while in the NFL, would you consider Lewis to be ANYWHERE near the RB that Barry Sanders was?

I think your perspective that "numbers" and "play" being the same is completely off. I think that's how you rate baseball players and fantasy football sheets. In fact, I find it to be a lack of football acumen to look at numbers and say its the same thing as "actual play." But that's your opinion and you are certainly welcome to have it/keep it.

That being said, I'm thrilled we got Beal when we did. I always like having instinctive LBs on the team. But Miller is a blue-chipper while Beal.......well.... is a 7th rounder. I never think it says you are a bad football player if you got drafted to the NFL. So I don't think Beal is bad by any means.

Athletes can get lucky or unlucky in brief stretches to produce skewed numbers, but when it is over a period of four years and 50 college games as is the case here, under pretty much identical circumstances, that makes the numbers very close to "the play".

[Ravage!!!]

Athletes can get lucky or unlucky in brief stretches to produce skewed numbers, but when it is over a period of four years and 50 college games as is the case here, under pretty much identical circumstances, that makes the numbers very close to "the play".

Mmm... kay. SO I guess you just feel that all 32 NFL GMs, coaches, all their hired scouts (as well as those independent scouts and evaluators), alllllll missed with the game tape and just forgot to look at the numbers.

[horsepig]

I suspect he will pan out a little like Woodyard (and I don't mean to pigeon hole him as a LB).

Both had a lot of numbers in college but will have a rough go of it against the constant barrage of 1'st rate talent they have to face every down in the NFL.

[G_Money]

Woodyard is playing out of position. He's a Will LB naturally. The fact that he's still a special teams captain and a good backup LB at a position he should not be playing speaks well of him IMO.

I would love to see Woodyard allowed to compete for the starting Will position - if he's back of course. I don't think anybody's giving up a 2nd rounder for him as an RFA (that's the grade we offered him at, right?) but anything's possible.

Beal could still be a really interesting DE. He's not gonna play LB for the Broncos, but I could see him outworking and outperforming Ayers, even if he ran like he was swimming in concrete at the combine. He's productive, and I expect him to be a rotational player for us - but I think he'll be playing a little out of position as a DE as well. Which makes me agree with you on the "Woodyard so far" type of comp. :)

Still, it's always good to draft an ultra-productive player late in the draft as a flier to see if he can translate it to the pros and overcome his limitations. Beal wants to work and get better - so I'm happy to let him try.

~G

[rcsodak]

Woodyard is playing out of position. He's a Will LB naturally. The fact that he's still a special teams captain and a good backup LB at a position he should not be playing speaks well of him IMO.

I would love to see Woodyard allowed to compete for the starting Will position - if he's back of course. I don't think anybody's giving up a 2nd rounder for him as an RFA (that's the grade we offered him at, right?) but anything's possible.

Beal could still be a really interesting DE. He's not gonna play LB for the Broncos, but I could see him outworking and outperforming Ayers, even if he ran like he was swimming in concrete at the combine. He's productive, and I expect him to be a rotational player for us - but I think he'll be playing a little out of position as a DE as well. Which makes me agree with you on the "Woodyard so far" type of comp. :)

Still, it's always good to draft an ultra-productive player late in the draft as a flier to see if he can translate it to the pros and overcome his limitations. Beal wants to work and get better - so I'm happy to let him try.

~G

Not sure anybody thought Beal WOULD play LB in denver....since he's a DE. Lol

[TXBRONC]

Not sure anybody thought Beal WOULD play LB in denver....since he's a DE. Lol

We drafted Frankline to be our right tackle but Mel Kiper insisted that he would play guard. :laugh:

[rcsodak]

I suspect he will pan out a little like Woodyard (and I don't mean to pigeon hole him as a LB).

Both had a lot of numbers in college but will have a rough go of it against the constant barrage of 1'st rate talent they have to face every down in the NFL.

Its not like he played at Northern Colorado. :rolleyes:

He played at OU. He saw plenty of "1'st rate talent".

[TXBRONC]

Its not like he played at Northern Colorado. :rolleyes:

He played at OU. He saw plenty of "1'st rate talent".

Yeah but he's a seventh rate talent. :heh:

Just kidding. I hope he's successful.

[Ravage!!!]

We drafted Frankline to be our right tackle but Mel Kiper insisted that he would play guard. :laugh:

Said he could play both. Considering we need quality AND depth across the line, I think he's right.

[TXBRONC]

Said he could play both. Considering we need quality AND depth across the line, I think he's right.

True but I'm pretty he said he would play guard for the Broncos.

[robert ethan]

Beal's potential versatility will make him even more valuable. He is the type of smart, high character guy who will be a big asset on special teams and in the dressing room if nothing else. No idea why he would still be sitting there in the seventh round. I don't think his measurables are a lot different from Dumervil and he had comparable college production as well.

[MileHighCrew]

Beal's potential versatility will make him even more valuable. He is the type of smart, high character guy who will be a big asset on special teams and in the dressing room if nothing else. No idea why he would still be sitting there in the seventh round. I don't think his measurables are a lot different from Dumervil and he had comparable college production as well.

One more reason to be a very excited Broncos fan then

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

True but I'm pretty he said he would play guard for the Broncos.

During his presser Franklin said the coaches stated he was projected to play RT for us.