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SmilinAssasSin27
04-29-2011, 06:39 PM
Call me crazy, but if you all haven't noticed, the DTs we covet as fans are not exactly flying off the board. Might we have a legit shot at one of em in round 3? Here are the names still available:

Austin
Ballard
Paea
Ellis
McClain
Nevis
Fua
Casey

We're still only 15 picks away from our 3rd round pick. Maybe we get lucky and these guys continure to drop. Or maybe after one more goes, we trade up to grab one.

What's weird is that my wish list entering this round has only lost 2 names...Rudolph and Aaron Williams...and now Bowers.

We still have the DTs, Martez Wilson and Allen Bailey

Northman
04-29-2011, 06:41 PM
Yea, im not sure Paea or Austin will be there but considering where they were supposed to go we might still have a chance.

gobroncsnv
04-29-2011, 06:42 PM
Please be right, SA, but man, it just seems like the fingers needed to pull the trigger are just quivering... this is pretty much agonizing. Thanks for trying to talk me off the ledge.

SmilinAssasSin27
04-29-2011, 06:46 PM
i hate the giants

SmilinAssasSin27
04-29-2011, 06:46 PM
14 picks til our turn...

BigDaddyBronco
04-29-2011, 06:51 PM
I like Fua and Ellis.

SmilinAssasSin27
04-29-2011, 06:54 PM
nevermind

bcbronc
04-29-2011, 06:55 PM
Lol time to give it up. There must be something about Dove Valley that just repels the idea of drafting DTs early. This regime is going to do the same as the last: see what scrub falls to UDFA and deal with shit then.

broncofaninfla
04-29-2011, 07:36 PM
Yet another season with a putrid DL. Teams will run on us with ease.

hotcarl
04-29-2011, 08:18 PM
we just lined up a pile of dog shit on our d-line !!! woiooogooo!

dunk7
04-29-2011, 09:01 PM
Not drafting a DT (and committing to Tebow) just shows me we are tanking this season to get Luck ;-)

hotcarl
04-29-2011, 09:20 PM
Not drafting a DT (and committing to Tebow) just shows me we are tanking this season to get Luck ;-)

yeah john elway isnt competitive at all..... :rolleyes:

thats like saying obama is tanking our economy so we can become marxist socialists df wai wha w no wait a *SHOTGUN BLAST*

Lonestar
04-29-2011, 10:54 PM
Lol time to give it up. There must be something about Dove Valley that just repels the idea of drafting DTs early. This regime is going to do the same as the last: see what scrub falls to UDFA and deal with shit then.

Beginning to think this may be true..

Thought it was just mikey, maybe just maybe there is indeed a virus that infects anyone at Dove valley for winning the game at the LOS.

I do not understand the basic logic that you win and lose on the LOS.

Look at all of the playoff teams pretty simple, barring an anomaly here and there the LINEs are solid with all of the great teams.


MAYBE when they built the building it was placed over quicksand that sucks all the brains out of anyone that is not a DL coach.

No other way to explain it.

silkamilkamonico
04-29-2011, 11:09 PM
My one, realistic wish, is that the media seriously challenges the organization on why they think they can continue to compete by ignoring the heart of the defense.

"Why did you you feel that you did not need to take a DT in the early part of the draft?"

"In recent history, this organization has struggled significantly along the interior of the defense. Why do you guys not address that?"

"This organization has been one of the worst defenses in the NFL against the run over the last 3-5 years. What do you need to do to change that?"

All these questions need to be asked, and I feel the general fanbase has a right to these answers. If the organization chooses to do it unconventionally, fine, but then there better be results, and this defense has been on an unprecedented spiral down on the defensive side of the ball the last 10 years. When does that change?

Lonestar
04-29-2011, 11:39 PM
My one, realistic wish, is that the media seriously challenges the organization on why they think they can continue to compete by ignoring the heart of the defense.

"Why did you you feel that you did not need to take a DT in the early part of the draft?"

"In recent history, this organization has struggled significantly along the interior of the defense. Why do you guys not address that?"

"This organization has been one of the worst defenses in the NFL against the run over the last 3-5 years. What do you need to do to change that?"

All these questions need to be asked, and I feel the general fanbase has a right to these answers. If the organization chooses to do it unconventionally, fine, but then there better be results, and this defense has been on an unprecedented spiral down on the defensive side of the ball the last 10 years. When does that change?


could not agree more.. thought with FOX on board perhaps they would feel the need to address this basic tenet that has been lacking almost forever.

STill pissed that we got jay over either

12 Baltimore Ravens Haloti Ngata DT Oregon
14 Philadelphia Eagles Brodrick Bunkley DT Florida State

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?season=2006&round=round1#round1o

Ravage!!!
04-29-2011, 11:44 PM
:lol:

silkamilkamonico
04-30-2011, 12:37 AM
:lol:

That's been the general consensus of this defense from, let's see, 1999?

SpringsBroncoFan
04-30-2011, 06:45 AM
Hopefully we'll get some answers why the team passed on Austin & Paea, but what's done is done...

Recalling what Xanders said that they are looking for a starting DT & a b/u DT certainly at this point it looks like FA for a starting DT.

In the 4th round the value decisions would seem to be:

TE Stocker or Green vs. DT Ballard or Guy

In the 5th round, DT Thornton or Williams vs. TE or RB.

The team needs to go all in for Mebane in FA... or whoever Fox likes best...

So for me it comes down to this...

At this point on day 3 you can go for need over value but
if the team values Stocker over what's left of the DT's then go ahead & grab him and then take the dregs of DT in the 5th round since they are only going to be a b/u anyway...

In the 6th grab another RB, Bradford or Tua and after that, well whatever....

Lonestar
04-30-2011, 09:17 AM
That's been the general consensus of this defense from, let's see, 1999?

Got to consider the source.

He was a jay fan long before we drafted him, based his rep on the guy. Hated Jake and loved on jay since.

So was hard for him and many to see the Forrest for the trees.

Lots of folks bought into what mikey did so long becuase of the 2 rings, that he was going to get them more rings. If given more time.

As far as I can determine he never met a defensive guy that he would have taken save LBs over a offensive player.

That is in the past but looking back that is what it logically appears to be.

Agent of Orange
04-30-2011, 09:28 AM
My one, realistic wish, is that the media seriously challenges the organization on why they think they can continue to compete by ignoring the heart of the defense.

"Why did you you feel that you did not need to take a DT in the early part of the draft?"

"In recent history, this organization has struggled significantly along the interior of the defense. Why do you guys not address that?"

"This organization has been one of the worst defenses in the NFL against the run over the last 3-5 years. What do you need to do to change that?"

All these questions need to be asked, and I feel the general fanbase has a right to these answers. If the organization chooses to do it unconventionally, fine, but then there better be results, and this defense has been on an unprecedented spiral down on the defensive side of the ball the last 10 years. When does that change?

Im with you. But I think it has to do with them thinking of the quick fix...of wanting to win sooner rather than later and thinking they can take the shortcut to success.

HORSEPOWER 56
04-30-2011, 09:37 AM
Im with you. But I think it has to do with them thinking of the quick fix...of wanting to win sooner rather than later and thinking they can take the shortcut to success.

Nobody is really that blind and dumb are they? Jenkins was supposed to be our pick but we gambled and traded back and Washington grabbed him before us.

We got 2 picks in 2 rounds where we didn't have them and so that's fine, but the FO trying to sell that Jenkins was our pick, but Austin and Paea were reaches is just crap. Both Austin and Paea were graded out to be second rounders like Jenkins. Neither was a "reach" and both were HUGE NEEDS.

There is no "quick fix" for our defense. It sucks. It's the absolute worst in the league and until we fix the D-line it won't get any better. You can scheme all you want, but when your players suck, your scheme gets figured out quickly and fails every time.

All we're doing now is drafting WRs without having a decent QB or drafting RBs without having an O-line. Our LBs could be Miller, Ray Lewis, and Derrick Brooks in his prime and we'd still suck ass vs the run. Why? Because they all get blocked because our D-line sucks. /rant.

Lonestar
04-30-2011, 09:39 AM
In foxes last two q&a the reporters were all over him asking question after ? About DTs he keeps deferring to the "other pool".
Did not come out and state it but have to think he meant FA pool. Or for that matter supplemental draft or UDFA.

To me it's bird in the hand or going hungry.

Think it will Be lean year for wins and improving the run defense.

SmilinAssasSin27
04-30-2011, 09:42 AM
Nobody is really that blind and dumb are they? Jenkins was supposed to be our pick but we gambled and traded back and Washington grabbed him before us.

We got 2 picks in 2 rounds where we didn't have them and so that's fine, but the FO trying to sell that Jenkins was our pick, but Austin and Paea were reaches is just crap. Both Austin and Paea were graded out to be second rounders like Jenkins. Neither was a "reach" and both were HUGE NEEDS.

There is no "quick fix" for our defense. It sucks. It's the absolute worst in the league and until we fix the D-line it won't get any better. You can scheme all you want, but when your players suck, your scheme gets figured out quickly and fails every time.

All we're doing now is drafting WRs without having a decent QB or drafting RBs without having an O-line. Our LBs could be Miller, Ray Lewis, and Derrick Brooks in his prime and we'd still suck ass vs the run. Why? Because they all get blocked because our D-line sucks. /rant.

While I agree that DT is hugely important...didn't MOST of our defensive players suck? If we improved our talent, we improved our talent.

Lonestar
04-30-2011, 09:42 AM
HP you are right on the money. When you consistently get a OG or center on a LB they will be taken out of the play.

Lonestar
04-30-2011, 09:44 AM
Look at ray Lewis the years his Dl sucked his numbERs were down big time.

Fox is a D coach. Why is he allowing this to happen.

Northman
04-30-2011, 09:48 AM
While I agree that DT is hugely important...didn't MOST of our defensive players suck? If we improved our talent, we improved our talent.

Good point. Our LB core was not that great no matter how someone may try to spin it. Williams is vastly overrated so from that thought process i can see their logic. But, its hard not to ignore that taking a player like Dareus, Liuget, or Fairley wouldnt have improved our Dline as well. Still got 4 rounds to go and FA but man, im still baffled that in a draft that deep at DT that we didnt nab at least one. I would of at least passed on Franklin and gone DT there with someone. Just too weird for me.

Lonestar
04-30-2011, 09:52 AM
While I agree that DT is hugely important...didn't MOST of our defensive players suck? If we improved our talent, we improved our talent.

Yes we are better but yiu do notneed superstar LB or safety IF the Core unit Dl is great.

Everyone behind them becomes better because runners do not get past them and suddenly the other team becomes one dimensional.

Really easy to tie the ears back and pass rush then creating much less time for the players behind the Dl to have to cover.

Lonestar
04-30-2011, 09:53 AM
Let me add that has been our offense for years unable to consistently run get the though yards therefore our passing stats have been on the moon.

gobroncsnv
04-30-2011, 10:08 AM
I DO think that our d can improve having Miller there, but we didn't go after our main problem. The only thing that can bring any sanity to bear is that they are going into the FA market. But let's just say we haven't been wildly successful there. Williams, Wilkinson, the Browncos, etc, etc, yada... Might need a few reminders, but the last good success in the league with a FA DT that I recall is Reggie White going to the Pack.. That kind of lightning doesn't strike often at all, and that is EXACTLY the kind of help we need. Times TWO.

rcsodak
04-30-2011, 10:12 AM
Look for denver to run the 2-6-3. Vick/ayers with hands in the dirt. 3Lb's on the line standing up. The other 3Lb's blitz/cover. :elefant:

Now, look for them to draft Kendall Hunter, rb.


:wall:

LOOKOUT

Northman
04-30-2011, 10:12 AM
I looked at some of the mocks out there and with Denver having #108 only one team was seen trying to grab a DT and that was Minny. But they had Nevis listed there so its possible Ballad may fall down to us early if that is where Denver plans to go with it.

Agent of Orange
04-30-2011, 10:20 AM
Nobody is really that blind and dumb are they? Jenkins was supposed to be our pick but we gambled and traded back and Washington grabbed him before us.

We got 2 picks in 2 rounds where we didn't have them and so that's fine, but the FO trying to sell that Jenkins was our pick, but Austin and Paea were reaches is just crap. Both Austin and Paea were graded out to be second rounders like Jenkins. Neither was a "reach" and both were HUGE NEEDS.

There is no "quick fix" for our defense. It sucks. It's the absolute worst in the league and until we fix the D-line it won't get any better. You can scheme all you want, but when your players suck, your scheme gets figured out quickly and fails every time.

All we're doing now is drafting WRs without having a decent QB or drafting RBs without having an O-line. Our LBs could be Miller, Ray Lewis, and Derrick Brooks in his prime and we'd still suck ass vs the run. Why? Because they all get blocked because our D-line sucks. /rant.

If they traded down and passed on Austin and Paea, what certainty is there that they would have drafted Jenkins? You seemed to be hinting at this. Im with you. And thats kind of where Im coming from. They had numerous chances at DTs and declined every time. Why? Is it that theyre risky? Is it that they dont want to wait for them to develop?

gobroncsnv
04-30-2011, 10:22 AM
RC, not sure if you said that in jest, but back when Montana roamed the earth, The Rams, DC'd by Fritz Shurmur, ran a 2-5-4, they called the "Eagle" defense. First time they tried it, they absolutely FROSTED the vaunted SF "West Coast" offense, and won the game. But the 9ers figured out how to deal with it (running plays early and often), and got revenge. Things like that are why I prefer talent over scheme every time. The consistent winners rely more on strength and talent... Schemes get figured out. The best teams do well because they usually win the one on one battles, play in, play out.

rcsodak
04-30-2011, 10:47 AM
RC, not sure if you said that in jest, but back when Montana roamed the earth, The Rams, DC'd by Fritz Shurmur, ran a 2-5-4, they called the "Eagle" defense. First time they tried it, they absolutely FROSTED the vaunted SF "West Coast" offense, and won the game. But the 9ers figured out how to deal with it (running plays early and often), and got revenge. Things like that are why I prefer talent over scheme every time. The consistent winners rely more on strength and talent... Schemes get figured out. The best teams do well because they usually win the one on one battles, play in, play out.
Lol....yea, nv.....KINDA in jest.....while teetering on serious. Have you looked at the roster? ;) :puke:

All that's going to be left after tonite will be players that are projects/headcases/druggies/drunks/rapists/woman beaters and the handicapped.

Not sure what everybody's worried about. :confused:

Lonestar
04-30-2011, 11:03 AM
Lol....yea, nv.....KINDA in jest.....while teetering on serious. Have you looked at the roster? ;) :puke:

All that's going to be left after tonite will be players that are projects/headcases/druggies/drunks/rapists/woman beaters and the handicapped.

Not sure what everybody's worried about. :confused:

You are probably more right than wrong.

If they were worked about taking a couple of years to develop a DT. It will still take a couple if years next year. Maybe longer if the DT class is not as strong.

Sorry but have been hoping the FO/defacto GM would wr thee head of of their rectum for a Decade Now.

gobroncsnv
04-30-2011, 11:03 AM
no doubt, I'm right there with you RC... On D, we could be considered now at least semi-solid on 9 starting positions... But everyone is wondering why we've done nothing to address those last 2, which are what separates many of the good teams from the bad. Woody Hayes won a lot of games on hs 3 yards and a cloud of dust theory, since if you're guaranteed 3 yards a play and get 4 downs, the other team never gets the ball. And if you're the "other team", it's just agonizing and demoralizing to watch the clock just melt away while you lose game after game. THe most ugly way to lose games. Completely incapable of stopping the other guys on running plays.
DT's shouldn't really take very long to develop... but we do need to get somebody who is "starter ready", or we haven't fixed our worst problem yet.