View Full Version : Hillis upsets Rodgers in Madden cover vote
broncofaninfla
04-18-2011, 12:07 PM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Hillis-upsets-Rodgers-in-Madden-12-Cover-Vote.html
I'm surprised Brady Quinn didn't place..........
Someone posted this in the comments section.I know Jamal Charles was in the running for awhile beating Tebow.He would have been a better pick over either of these guys IMO.
What a load of crap. There is no such thing as a "madden curse" and I for one was really hoping to see the super bowl MVP and future multiple time league MVP on the cover.
Instead we get a running back who had 1 halfway decent season for a pathetic franchise OR a convicted felon. Of course Cleveland fans are going to tip the vote in their favor. This is the most exciting thing they've had going since the real Browns left town a decade ago.
Good call EA - let's have the FANS vote. Hey, it works for the probowl right? LOL!
Dzone
04-18-2011, 01:36 PM
Such is the power of being the only white running back who is any good.LOL
Such is the power of being the only white running back who is any good.LOL
There was no doubt this would be one of the first responses, but I think it's a tiny piece of the puzzle. People get enthralled with what he does, not what his skin color is. The fact he makes highlight film catches, hurdles defenders, breaks tackle after tackle, and at the same time, is nimble on cut back runs. They see all of this out of a fullback that's supposed to be too 'big and slow' to make those moves. They see a guy that is humble and thankful, rather than cocky and immature.
MNPatsFan
04-18-2011, 02:30 PM
I love this comment:
Of course Cleveland fans are going to tip the vote in their favor. This is the most exciting thing they've had going since the real Browns left town a decade ago.
Unfortunately, I think this is very true and one of the primary reasons Hillis did upset Rodgers. What a joke to have to choose between Hillis or Vick!:tsk:
Guess I won't vote because there is no way I am voting for Vick or Hillis.
I expect Hillis to win and he is about as deserving to be on the cover as putting Chris "the Birdman" Anderson (or someone else in the NBA who hustles and works hard but isn't one of the stars or top players) on the cover of NBA 2011 or whatever the game is called rather than Kobe, LeBron, Howard, Rose, Durant, Chris Paul, or Westbrook being .
frauschieze
04-18-2011, 03:07 PM
I'm happy for Hillis. It's recognition I'm sure he never dreamt of, and although I wish he was still a Bronco, I'm glad that Cleveland gave him the opportunity to show them what he's capable of.
Northman
04-18-2011, 03:47 PM
Good for Peyton and he is MORE than worthy to grace the cover. I root for the underdog anyday.
MNPatsFan
04-18-2011, 03:56 PM
Good for Peyton and he is MORE worthy than Michael Vick to grace the cover. I root for the underdog anyday.There I fixed your post for you.;)
I agree and have no issue with your fixed post.:laugh:
I agree that Hillis is definitely an underdog.:salute:
IMHO, an above average to good player shouldn't be on the cover of Madden 2012. I believe one of the NFL's star players or the "Twelvth Man"/the fans should be on the cover. Between Hillis and Vick, however, Hillis clearly is the more deserving candidate.:beer:
Northman
04-18-2011, 04:10 PM
There I fixed your post for you.;)
I agree and have no issue with your fixed post.:laugh:
I agree that Hillis is definitely an underdog.:salute:
IMHO, an above average to good player shouldn't be on the cover of Madden 2012. I believe one of the NFL's star players or the "Twelvth Man"/the fans should be on the cover. Between Hillis and Vick, however, Hillis clearly is the more deserving candidate.:beer:
My post didnt need fixing but thanks for the thoughts. ;)
However, its kind of funny that you dont want an "above" average player on the cover but then want the "fans" to be on there when they arent stars. So which is it? Do you want stars or do you want those who work hard and rise above adversity? The things Hillis did this year were phenomenal considering his circumstances there. If i didnt know any better sounds like someone is a little bitter by the ass raping he put on your team. :lol:
T.K.O.
04-18-2011, 04:16 PM
it should just be the mvp of the previous SB....then if the curse turns out to be.....it gives the NFL more parity !:D
T.K.O.
04-18-2011, 04:17 PM
i wish Hillis was still a bronco !:mad:
MNPatsFan
04-18-2011, 04:39 PM
My post didnt need fixing but thanks for the thoughts. ;)You are very welcome!:beer:
However, its kind of funny that you dont want an "above" average player on the cover but then want the "fans" to be on there when they arent stars. So which is it?I think it would be a great move to honor the fans who have made the NFL the greatest professional sport by putting them on the cover some how, but will be honest in stating I am not really sure the best way to do that.:confused:
If they can't or aren't going to pay tribute to and honor the fans and are instead going to put a player on the cover, then I believe it should be one of the NFL's stars (with a clean image so no Michael Vick, Ben Roth, etc. if you consider Vick and Roth stars)
Do you want stars or do you want those who work hard and rise above adversity?Those two aren't mutually exclusive IMHO. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and other star players had to work hard and rise above adversity.
The things Hillis did this year were phenomenal considering his circumstances there. If i didnt know any better sounds like someone is a little bitter by the ass raping he put on your team. :lol:Well I will admit he destroyed the Patriots, but unfortunately the Patriots had a habit of allowing average to above average RBs to tear them apart last year.:tsk:
You are very welcome!:beer:
I think it would be a great move to honor the fans who have made the NFL the greatest professional sport by putting them on the cover some how, but will be honest in stating I am not really sure the best way to do that.:confused:
If they can't or aren't going to pay tribute to and honor the fans and are instead going to put a player on the cover, then I believe it should be one of the NFL's stars (with a clean image so no Michael Vick, Ben Roth, etc. if you consider Vick and Roth stars)
Those two aren't mutually exclusive IMHO. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and other star players had to work hard and rise above adversity.
Well I will admit he destroyed the Patriots, but unfortunately the Patriots had a habit of allowing average to above average RBs to tear them apart last year.:tsk:
I don't want to be on the cover of that damn thing. I like my knees as they are, tyvm. Put me on there and it would be ACL surgery following the fall down the stairs at work.
:lol:
NightTrainLayne
04-18-2011, 05:29 PM
Hillis is the penultimate "Madden" player. I know Madden doesn't have anything to do with picking him, but he is a perfect fit imo for the Madden cover. . .maybe the fans do know something.
BroncoWave
04-18-2011, 05:35 PM
Would be the most undeserving cover athlete ever. I guess all it takes nowadays is one fluke season to get on the cover. Not even close how much more deserving Vick is.
Northman
04-18-2011, 05:40 PM
Hillis is the penultimate "Madden" player. I know Madden doesn't have anything to do with picking him, but he is a perfect fit imo for the Madden cover. . .maybe the fans do know something.
Amen.
Why is Vick more deserving? What has he done? He came back and took the job from a backup? Or was it because he came back from being in prison and he is such a feel good story?
What makes him more deserving than Hillis, exactly?
Hillis made Madden like plays. Plays you only expect to see on a video game. On his own legs, without much help, and after being traded.
But hey....it's better than Tebow getting it on name alone.
Northman
04-18-2011, 05:46 PM
Why is Vick more deserving? What has he done? He came back and took the job from a backup? Or was it because he came back from being in prison and he is such a feel good story?
I dont think its even a feel good story. The dude did some bad shit and deserved every bit of what he got dealt to him. I admit, he improved a lot as a QB but he doesnt deserve it over any other athlete. I mean, if we are going to stick to "stars" give it to the man who really deserves it, Aaron Rodgers.
atwater27
04-18-2011, 06:13 PM
Would be the most undeserving cover athlete ever. I guess all it takes nowadays is one fluke season to get on the cover. Not even close how much more deserving Vick is.
more deserving than Tebow, that's for sure.
frauschieze
04-18-2011, 09:55 PM
I think it would be a great move to honor the fans who have made the NFL the greatest professional sport by putting them on the cover some how, but will be honest in stating I am not really sure the best way to do that.:confused:
Put a mirror on the cover.
HORSEPOWER 56
04-19-2011, 07:07 AM
I think it's extremely suspicious that Brady and Manning, arguably the two most dominant QBs of the past decade, have never been featured... Both have won Superbowls and MVPs and neither has graced the cover.
With the hype about the "curse" I'd bet they pay to be kept off of it. ;)
Ravage!!!
04-19-2011, 10:34 AM
A fluke season :lol: We saw in Denver what he could do when he was the starter, he gets the starting role in Cleveland and 'EFFING ROCKS' (just as any fan that has watched him play in the NFL would know).. and thats a FLUKE?
Hillis' season absolutely deserves the cover... ESPECIALLY since this vote didn't just come down to Hillis 'fans' making the decision. Its not like Peyton had a lot of fan-fare going INTO this season, but he sure as HELL earned them by the end. How...by friggin ROCKING when he carried the ball. NFL fans love studs.
Ravage!!!
04-19-2011, 10:35 AM
I think it's extremely suspicious that Brady and Manning, arguably the two most dominant QBs of the past decade, have never been featured... Both have won Superbowls and MVPs and neither has graced the cover.
With the hype about the "curse" I'd bet they pay to be kept off of it. ;)
Manning had his own video game that competed with Madden for a long time, and I'm sure it was against his contract to be on the cover of ANOTHER game.
dogfish
04-19-2011, 12:01 PM
I think it's extremely suspicious that Brady and Manning, arguably the two most dominant QBs of the past decade, have never been featured... Both have won Superbowls and MVPs and neither has graced the cover.
With the hype about the "curse" I'd bet they pay to be kept off of it. ;)
maybe it's because no one besides fans of their own teams likes either of the douches?
yep, i'm pretty sure that's it. . .
MNPatsFan
04-19-2011, 12:56 PM
maybe it's because no one besides fans of their own teams likes either of the douches?
yep, i'm pretty sure that's it. . .Well if that was it, then there is no f***ing way that Brett Favre would have been put onto the cover of Madden's NFL 2009 because he is/was one of the most despised douches by fans of pretty much every team!:lol:
maybe it's because no one besides fans of their own teams likes either of the douches?
yep, i'm pretty sure that's it. . .
If you think Peyton Manning is a douche, I hope Josh McDaniels becomes your life coach.
Ray Lewis got the cover of Madden. He was a middle linebacker, in order of importance almost every elite QB would have been worthier of him for the cover.
Vick already had the cover once, and he was a bad QB.
Barry Sanders got the cover and then retired (not because of that, obviously), they then put...Dorsey Levens...on that cover?
Dante Culpepper was on the cover..and all he ever did was prove that throwing to Randy Moss and Chris Carter is...easy...
Remember when...VINCE YOUNG was on the cover? What did he ever do? Or, better yet, what has he ever done?
That's my point, the madden cover isn't necessarily going to go to the best player. If that was the case Peyton Manning, LT and Brady would have been trading madden covers for...years.
I guess I fall into the category of being a "Vick" guy because I defend him a lot, but he wasn't robbed by Hillis, either. Vick is an injury prone QB who is streaky as hell and has had one legitimate year as a true QB in his career.
Hillis was a guy who was booted out of a team that needed him for one of the worst players in the NFL.
In short, they both have only been good, really, for one year.
Go Hillis.
Well if that was it, then there is no f***ing way that Brett Favre would have been put onto the cover of Madden's NFL 2009 because he is/was one of the most despised douches by fans of pretty much every team!:lol:
I like Brett...so he likes to text...a lot of people do! :D
Dzone
04-19-2011, 01:10 PM
Ray Lewis got the cover of Madden. He was a middle linebacker, in order of importance almost every elite QB would have been worthier of him for the cover.
Good Lord, they put a murderer on the cover? Should have boycotted that sombertch.
I would love to see Tebow on there just to see the outrage...lol
Lonestar
04-19-2011, 01:17 PM
Madden? What the is madden an announcer.
Oh wait, I remember now, that is the game 90% of the kiddies learned football from. Instead of playing it.
No wonder we have so many arm chair QBs and
Monday morning GMs.
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Dzone
04-19-2011, 01:18 PM
I like Brett...so he likes to text...a lot of people do! :D
Yes, but Sexting should be consentual:laugh:
Yes, but Sexting should be consentual:laugh:
Maybe it was...:whoknows:
Madden? What the is madden an announcer.
Oh wait, I remember now, that is the game 90% of the kiddies learned football from. Instead of playing it.
No wonder we have so many arm chair QBs and
Monday morning GMs.
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He was a hall of fame coach....
In his prime as an announcer he was one of the most informative and knowledgeable voices sportscasting ever heard.
He used to break down coverages and schemes in layman's terms fantastically.
He made football fans smarter.
People only remember him in his twilight when he was over the hill and lost his damn mind.
I don't really know how you can hate on Madden.
Dzone
04-19-2011, 01:34 PM
Maybe it was...:whoknows:
According to her interview on tv last week, she never met favre and had never talked to him and he just started sending pics of his weiner to her phone...the only way that is true is if Favre is a vewy sick dude
According to her interview on tv last week, she never met favre and had never talked to him and he just started sending pics of his weiner to her phone...the only way that is true is if Favre is a vewy sick dude
I know how the story goes..I was just saying..started sending pictures of his wiener..lmao..that made me laugh to read that..anyway we shouldn't discuss Brett's weeny in this thread...:lol:
Dzone
04-19-2011, 01:55 PM
Madden football should not have any thing to do with favres alleged weiner...sorry, didnt mean to take trhe thread down a sess pool...weinergte has no place here:D
BroncoWave
04-25-2011, 11:54 AM
Just to add to this, Hillis only had 1100 yards and 11 TD last season, which is decent, but isn't THAT great of a season. I know everyone is enamored with him because he is doing it as a white RB (and I'm sorry but you are a damn liar if you say otherwise. no one raises an eyebrow whenever a black RB puts up these kind of numbers) but if you look at it objectively he didn't do anything overly spectacular last season. He had more games rushing for under 50 yards (7) than he had rushing for over 100 yards (5) last year. He's an average RB at best who had a couple of monster games that made his overall stats look decent, but nothing more.
If you want to champion his cause because of the novelty of him doing what he did as a white RB, or because of the boner you get for championing anyone mcdaniels let go out of your hatred for him that's fine, but let's just call it as it is instead of trying to pretend he deserves it because of his accomplishments on the field.
rcsodak
04-25-2011, 12:10 PM
I know how the story goes..I was just saying..started sending pictures of his wiener..lmao..that made me laugh to read that..anyway we shouldn't discuss Brett's weeny in this thread...:lol:
:eek:
How does she know its HIS?
Just to add to this, Hillis only had 1100 yards and 11 TD last season, which is decent, but isn't THAT great of a season. I know everyone is enamored with him because he is doing it as a white RB (and I'm sorry but you are a damn liar if you say otherwise. no one raises an eyebrow whenever a black RB puts up these kind of numbers)
I'm not a liar and that's not 'my' reason, but way to ASSume you know what other people are thinking and why. :salute:
As to why what he accomplished was impressive:
First, he did that on a Browns team with ZERO offense. At one point he was leading (or second) in yards, carries, receptions and receiving yards (might have been third or something in receiving yards). Star defenders on the Ravens and others were saying in the leadup to their matchups how their game plan was to stop Hillis.
I guess those guys only said that because he was white.
I guess the DC's only game planned against him to 'not let a white man beat them'. :lol:
Second, he shows an athleticism (hurdling runners, cut back runs, one handed catches, etc.) that you simply don't see in a runner his size -- white, black, brown, yellow, or bullshit colored.
Third, the bruising style of his running is fun to watch. Watching him steamroll big time defenders on his way to the end zone or other gains, is fun to watch.
Four, and supplement to one, he was injured for much of the year (the 11 TD's plus two receiving) were through the first 12 games). Because the Browns had NO other offense, he was rushed back from his thigh injury multiple times, clearly effected him in the second half.
His production tailed off at the end of the year due to injuries and defenses game planning to stop him, so his 16 game stats aren't as impressive as the first three fourths of the season. However, it's ridiculous to claim that he's become a fan favorite just because he's white.
:eek:
How does she know its HIS?
I think if it were me....if someone sent me a picture like that on my cell phone...I would associate the picture with the phone number.
rcsodak
04-25-2011, 12:32 PM
I think if it were me....if someone sent me a picture like that on my cell phone...I would associate the picture with the phone number.
True........
....but again, its not like it HAS to be his.
In other words, he allegedly sent her pix of A weiner.
Unless, of course, there's a lineup.....
Charles scored only 5 TDs and rushed for over 1400 yards BUT he did split carries with Jones...and D Bowe hogged all the TDs last season.
True........
....but again, its not like it HAS to be his.
In other words, he allegedly sent her pix of A weiner.
Unless, of course, there's a lineup.....
No more comments from me on this rc....:lol:
rcsodak
04-25-2011, 12:39 PM
His production tailed off at the end of the year due to injuries and defenses game planning to stop him, so his 16 game stats aren't as impressive as the first three fourths of the season.
Not arguing, being caustic, sarcastic, baiting, et al.....
....but,
a. Doesn't that happen to them all?
b. Don't the good ones overcome that?
For instance, when those same reasons were used to explain the possible reasons for orton, they were poopoo'd as excuses.
Saying that, I would rather have had PH doing that in the B&O, but am happy for his success.
BroncoWave
04-25-2011, 12:40 PM
I'm not a liar and that's not 'my' reason, but way to ASSume you know what other people are thinking and why. :salute:
As to why what he accomplished was impressive:
First, he did that on a Browns team with ZERO offense. At one point he was leading (or second) in yards, carries, receptions and receiving yards (might have been third or something in receiving yards). Star defenders on the Ravens and others were saying in the leadup to their matchups how their game plan was to stop Hillis.
I guess those guys only said that because he was white.
I guess the DC's only game planned against him to 'not let a white man beat them'. :lol:
Second, he shows an athleticism (hurdling runners, cut back runs, one handed catches, etc.) that you simply don't see in a runner his size -- white, black, brown, yellow, or bullshit colored.
Third, the bruising style of his running is fun to watch. Watching him steamroll big time defenders on his way to the end zone or other gains, is fun to watch.
Four, and supplement to one, he was injured for much of the year (the 11 TD's plus two receiving) were through the first 12 games). Because the Browns had NO other offense, he was rushed back from his thigh injury multiple times, clearly effected him in the second half.
His production tailed off at the end of the year due to injuries and defenses game planning to stop him, so his 16 game stats aren't as impressive as the first three fourths of the season. However, it's ridiculous to claim that he's become a fan favorite just because he's white.
No it's not. I am 100% certain that he wouldn't have half the fanfare he currently has if he wasn't white. Yeah, he'd still have Browns fans and bitter McDaniels haters behind him, but he would have nowhere near the same national appeal. Maybe you are one of the few people who actually like him because of how he plays instead of the novelty of him being a white RB or because of him being spurned by McD, but I can guarantee you that you are in the minority.
Arian Foster, Michael Turner, Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, and Rashard Mendenhall all rushed for more yards and more or as many TDs as Hillis had but none of them are in the running for the finals. What makes Hillis more appealing than them, other than the novelty of him being a white RB?
BroncoWave
04-25-2011, 12:41 PM
Not arguing, being caustic, sarcastic, baiting, et al.....
....but,
a. Doesn't that happen to them all?
b. Don't the good ones overcome that?
For instance, when those same reasons were used to explain the possible reasons for orton, they were poopoo'd as excuses.
Saying that, I would rather have had PH doing that in the B&O, but am happy for his success.
Good point. It's not like Hillis is the only player who had to overcome injury. All players have to deal with that at some point or another.
No it's not. I am 100% certain that he wouldn't have half the fanfare he currently has if he wasn't white.
Ok, you're right, you KNOW why I like someone, even more than I do. :severesarcasm:
Not arguing, being caustic, sarcastic, baiting, et al.....
....but,
a. Doesn't that happen to them all?
b. Don't the good ones overcome that?
For instance, when those same reasons were used to explain the possible reasons for orton, they were poopoo'd as excuses.
Saying that, I would rather have had PH doing that in the B&O, but am happy for his success.
How many fullbacks, or tailbacks, have led their team in carries, yards, and been second or third in receptions and yards? If you look at the % of plays that involved him, and the % of production (which I don't have at my finger tips), then you would be hard pressed to find many people that have accounted for that amount of a teams offense all year long and continued to perform.
This was a VERY bad Browns team, with no other viable offensive threat on the team. Stats don't tell the story. Google some of the Browns articles from in season that described various games and Hillis' play, and you will get a better feel for what was going on.
Orton was never the whole offense. Even with their struggles, the Broncos running game was MUCH more of a threat to other teams than the Browns passing game sans Hillis.
BroncoWave
04-25-2011, 01:18 PM
Ok, you're right, you KNOW why I like someone, even more than I do. :severesarcasm:
Did you actually read the post you quoted? Let me highlight the part you may have missed:
"Maybe you are one of the few people who actually like him because of how he plays instead of the novelty of him being a white RB or because of him being spurned by McD, but I can guarantee you that you are in the minority."
Did you actually read the post you quoted? Let me highlight the part you may have missed:
"Maybe you are one of the few people who actually like him because of how he plays instead of the novelty of him being a white RB or because of him being spurned by McD, but I can guarantee you that you are in the minority."
I'm sorry, I don't buy into your racist sterotypes.
He became a training camp sensation with the Browns because he broke 6 tackles in one run. He became a fan on the Broncos in '08 for much the same reason. It was how he ran, his refusal to go down. The fact he became the FIRST running back in Denver history to have a 100 yard receiving game and 100 yard passing game in the same season.
In Cleveland, he was the only offense, about the only hope they had each Sunday. Also, he tied Jim Browns and LeRoy Kelly's record of 11 TD's. Marshall Faulk is the only other player in NFL history to record at least 130 rushing yards, three rushing touchdowns, six receptions and 60 receiving yards in a single game.
The color thing is ridiculous, IMO.
BroncoWave
04-25-2011, 01:31 PM
I'm sorry, I don't buy into your racist sterotypes.
He became a training camp sensation with the Browns because he broke 6 tackles in one run. He became a fan on the Broncos in '08 for much the same reason. It was how he ran, his refusal to go down. The fact he became the FIRST running back in Denver history to have a 100 yard receiving game and 100 yard passing game in the same season.
In Cleveland, he was the only offense, about the only hope they had each Sunday. Also, he tied Jim Browns and LeRoy Kelly's record of 11 TD's. Marshall Faulk is the only other player in NFL history to record at least 130 rushing yards, three rushing touchdowns, six receptions and 60 receiving yards in a single game.
The color thing is ridiculous, IMO.
It's not racist to say people enjoy the novelty of a white RB succeeding in a black-dominated position, just like many people enjoy seeing black QBs succeed in a white-dominated position. Same with Larry Bird being called the "great white hope". People enjoyed the novelty of seeing a white guy tear up the NBA. Nothing racist about that, it just is what it is. It's not normal at all to see a white guy have the success at RB that Hillis had, so fans latch onto that and get some enjoyment out of it. I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all, I'm just calling it like it is. I mean come on, you are just lying to yourself if you are trying to deny that there are many people who likely are a fan of his due to the novelty of what he is doing as a white RB.
If you truly, honestly believe that if Peyton Hillis were black and all other factors were the same, he would still be in the finals of this cover vote, I have some beach front property to sell you.
Ravage!!!
04-25-2011, 02:15 PM
actually, thats the definition of racism.
BroncoWave
04-25-2011, 02:24 PM
actually, thats the definition of racism.
What exactly is racist about someone celebrating the achievements of a white person in an area in which white people do not normally excel? I guess black history month is racist as well, because it's devoted to celebrating the achievements of black people.
dogfish
04-25-2011, 02:30 PM
people only like vick because he's black. . . .
BroncoWave
04-25-2011, 02:33 PM
people only like vick because he's black. . . .
At least Vick has actually accomplished something impressive on the football field and has done it for multiple years. How many pro bowls and playoff games/wins have Peyton Hills been a part of?
rcsodak
04-25-2011, 02:40 PM
How many fullbacks, or tailbacks, have led their team in carries, yards, and been second or third in receptions and yards? If you look at the % of plays that involved him, and the % of production (which I don't have at my finger tips), then you would be hard pressed to find many people that have accounted for that amount of a teams offense all year long and continued to perform.
This was a VERY bad Browns team, with no other viable offensive threat on the team. Stats don't tell the story. Google some of the Browns articles from in season that described various games and Hillis' play, and you will get a better feel for what was going on.
Orton was never the whole offense. Even with their struggles, the Broncos running game was MUCH more of a threat to other teams than the Browns passing game sans Hillis.
Then we'll disagree.
The year before, didn't cribbs lead the browns in multiple areas as well? Especially late in the season?
And orton WAS the offense for most of the season. He had no running game, and was up against defenses that knew that, T. I'd say his sack numbers belie that, in part.
rcsodak
04-25-2011, 02:43 PM
actually, thats the definition of racism.I see no hate in what BTB is saying.
Saying 'white men can't jump' isn't racist either. Just a sad fact.
rcsodak
04-25-2011, 02:47 PM
people only like vick because he's black. . . .
DUDE! Can you IMAGINE his fanbase if he wasn't? :eek: (well...except for the dog thing, of course)
Or if PManning were black?
WOW!
Oops...I think I just gave myself a Tebowner.
dogfish
04-25-2011, 02:58 PM
At least Vick has actually accomplished something impressive on the football field and has done it for multiple years. How many pro bowls and playoff games/wins have Peyton Hills been a part of?
none of that matters. . . people just want to see a black quarterback succeed-- just ask rush. . .
rcsodak
04-25-2011, 03:00 PM
none of that matters. . . people just want to see a black quarterback succeed-- just ask rush. . .
I know I'M still looking.
It's not racist to say people enjoy the novelty of a white RB succeeding in a black-dominated position, just like many people enjoy seeing black QBs succeed in a white-dominated position. Same with Larry Bird being called the "great white hope". People enjoyed the novelty of seeing a white guy tear up the NBA. Nothing racist about that, it just is what it is. It's not normal at all to see a white guy have the success at RB that Hillis had, so fans latch onto that and get some enjoyment out of it. I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all, I'm just calling it like it is. I mean come on, you are just lying to yourself if you are trying to deny that there are many people who likely are a fan of his due to the novelty of what he is doing as a white RB.
If you truly, honestly believe that if Peyton Hillis were black and all other factors were the same, he would still be in the finals of this cover vote, I have some beach front property to sell you.
If there were a black RB in today's NFL that ran like Peyton Hillis, I'd be a fan of them also.
The white/black novelty of your views is ridiculous.
I could give a shit less if he is white/black/yellow or purple. He trucks safeties and linebackers, he hurdles defensive ends. That isn't impressive because he's white, it's just plain impressive.
It's impressive the same way Walter Payton was at getting out of sticky situations. It's impressive the same way Atwater took down the Nigerian Nightmare. But I guess that should have been said it was impressive for a black player back in the whitey days of the NFL.
:rolleyes:
What exactly is racist about someone celebrating the achievements of a white person in an area in which white people do not normally excel? I guess black history month is racist as well, because it's devoted to celebrating the achievements of black people.
I do find black history month offensive. If we're going there, we should have chinese history month, white history month and hispanic history month.
Did they achieve anything simply for the fact that they are black? Does being black make what they achieve anymore spectacular?
Nope.
At least Vick has actually accomplished something impressive on the football field and has done it for multiple years. How many pro bowls and playoff games/wins have Peyton Hills been a part of?
And he also flipped off his fans in his own arena and killed dogs. But his football skills are what's important. :shrugs: How many more rings does Mr. Vick have than Mr. Hillis? And how many more years in the league....oh wait, take off 2 years for his time in prison.
Above and beyond that.....Rodgers deserves it better than either of them.
BroncoWave
04-25-2011, 03:25 PM
If there were a black RB in today's NFL that ran like Peyton Hillis, I'd be a fan of them also.
The white/black novelty of your views is ridiculous.
I could give a shit less if he is white/black/yellow or purple. He trucks safeties and linebackers, he hurdles defensive ends. That isn't impressive because he's white, it's just plain impressive.
It's impressive the same way Walter Payton was at getting out of sticky situations. It's impressive the same way Atwater took down the Nigerian Nightmare. But I guess that should have been said it was impressive for a black player back in the whitey days of the NFL.
:rolleyes:
If my view is so ridiculous then why are there numerous black running backs who are just flat out better than Hillis and have put up much better numbers over a longer period of time who are not in the finals of this cover vote?
I don't see how it's not obvious to people that him being white plays a huge role in how popular he is. Like I said, just because that may not be the reason you like him doesn't mean it's not logical to assume that many people do.
Your Walter Payton and Steve Atwater examples also hold no water. They are 2 of the greatest players at their positions in NFL history. Someone with the accomplishments of those 2 guys will have great fanfare regardless of their race.
But when you have a guy like Hillis, who had what can be defined as an above-average season at best for a RB, something that has been done by hundreds of players before, many without even a fraction of the fanfare Hillis has gotten, there is really no other explanation for his wild surge in popularity.
Don't get me wrong, Hillis is a pretty good player, but players who are merely pretty good don't just get on the cover of Madden based strictly off their play. It's obvious that him being white has something to do with it.
rcsodak
04-25-2011, 04:11 PM
Above and beyond that.....Rodgers deserves it better than either of them.
Thus the problem with fan voting, imo.
You had GB fans voting vs browns AND broncos fans. :lol:
If my view is so ridiculous then why are there numerous black running backs who are just flat out better than Hillis and have put up much better numbers over a longer period of time who are not in the finals of this cover vote?
I don't see how it's not obvious to people that him being white plays a huge role in how popular he is. Like I said, just because that may not be the reason you like him doesn't mean it's not logical to assume that many people do.
Your Walter Payton and Steve Atwater examples also hold no water. They are 2 of the greatest players at their positions in NFL history. Someone with the accomplishments of those 2 guys will have great fanfare regardless of their race.
But when you have a guy like Hillis, who had what can be defined as an above-average season at best for a RB, something that has been done by hundreds of players before, many without even a fraction of the fanfare Hillis has gotten, there is really no other explanation for his wild surge in popularity.
Don't get me wrong, Hillis is a pretty good player, but players who are merely pretty good don't just get on the cover of Madden based strictly off their play. It's obvious that him being white has something to do with it.
I can't speak for everyone else, but I don't think the fact that he's a pretty decent RB is why he is popular. I think the reason he is popular is because of 1) his size and 2) the way he plays. It's not that he got # yards, it's how he got those yards. Black or white, you don't see RB's doing what he does. You don't see RB's knocking over LB's, you don't see RB's hurdling defensive players. I think the reason people like him is because he is different, and I'm not talking about race. He got traded to one of the worst teams in the league, and instead of cowering to the challenge, he rose to it. I think people just like the feel good stories and they like something different than what they see week in and week out.
When I brought up those 2 players, by no means was I saying Hillis was on their level. What I was saying is those players had talents that made them different than any other RB and S during their time or time after. Hillis has that different factor.
Just because it seems to you that him being white is a huge factor, in a relatively small community, those who have said they like him on the cover have come out and said the race thing isn't even a part of it. We gave in depth reasons why we think he should be there over a Vick and race wasn't a part of it.
Vince Young was on the cover of Madden. He wasn't even the best QB out of his class, much less the NFL. That argument is moot. They don't always have the very best on the cover. Sometimes it is who is popular at the time. Shaun Alexander, one of the greatest of all time? No. It's a mix of either best of the best or flavor of the season.
If there were a black RB in today's NFL that ran like Peyton Hillis, I'd be a fan of them also.
The white/black novelty of your views is ridiculous.
I could give a shit less if he is white/black/yellow or purple. He trucks safeties and linebackers, he hurdles defensive ends. That isn't impressive because he's white, it's just plain impressive.
It's impressive the same way Walter Payton was at getting out of sticky situations. It's impressive the same way Atwater took down the Nigerian Nightmare. But I guess that should have been said it was impressive for a black player back in the whitey days of the NFL.
:rolleyes:
Exactly, I really don't get it. It's like saying that the many fans of Wesley Woodyard ONLY like him because he's black. He hasn't done anything much of note. A few good games in spot starting, or backup/rotational duty, but that's about it. Still, there are many that like his style of play and at least for his first couple years he was a fan favorite.
Show me a black RB that is a living highlight reel, that on any given Sunday can lead his team in receptions, receiving or rushing, and at the same time put a middle linebacker on his back like he's a highschool defender, doing all of it at fullback size, and I would feel the same way about him.
The color card here is some real weak-ass shit, IMHO.
I can't speak for everyone else, but I don't think the fact that he's a pretty decent RB is why he is popular. I think the reason he is popular is because of 1) his size and 2) the way he plays. It's not that he got # yards, it's how he got those yards. Black or white, you don't see RB's doing what he does. You don't see RB's knocking over LB's, you don't see RB's hurdling defensive players. I think the reason people like him is because he is different, and I'm not talking about race. He got traded to one of the worst teams in the league, and instead of cowering to the challenge, he rose to it. I think people just like the feel good stories and they like something different than what they see week in and week out.
This is exactly it. It's why Mangini said that he jumped at the chance to trade for Hillis, based on how he ran when the Broncos played the Jets --- not because he said, "wow, that kid runs good for a white boy".
It's his style of play that is just fun to watch, and lends itself to a LOT of highlights throughout the year that people got to watch. It's like the fact that a Favre or Elway was more 'fun' to watch than a Dan Marino or Aikman. Marino and Aikman were precision pocket passers, but them throwing a 50 yard sideline route is nowhere near as exciting as watching Favre or Elway running on a broken play and then turning a sack into a 50 yard gainer (through the air, on the ground or combo).
Northman
04-25-2011, 04:50 PM
Exactly, I really don't get it. It's like saying that the many fans of Wesley Woodyard ONLY like him because he's black. He hasn't done anything much of note. A few good games in spot starting, or backup/rotational duty, but that's about it. Still, there are many that like his style of play and at least for his first couple years he was a fan favorite.
Show me a black RB that is a living highlight reel, that on any given Sunday can lead his team in receptions, receiving or rushing, and at the same time put a middle linebacker on his back like he's a highschool defender, doing all of it at fullback size, and I would feel the same way about him.
The color card here is some real weak-ass shit, IMHO.
Thats because he actually likes to tackle unlike most of the defense. :lol:
:lol: Next time I watch Hillis play, I'm going to scream, "Go Whitey" and see how quick my boys jump up and call me a racist.
BroncoWave
04-25-2011, 04:55 PM
Apparently I'm not the only person who feels this way. Both of these guys do a much better job presenting this argument than I did....
http://open.salon.com/blog/desicortez/2011/04/18/peyton_hillis_graces_cover_of_madden_-_because_hes_white
http://larrybrownsports.com/football/peyton-hillis-riding-white-running-back-mystique-to-madden-cover-vote-semis/63581
You guys can ignore it all you want, but it doesn't make it any less true.
Apparently I'm not the only person who feels this way. Both of these guys do a much better job presenting this argument than I did....
http://open.salon.com/blog/desicortez/2011/04/18/peyton_hillis_graces_cover_of_madden_-_because_hes_white
http://larrybrownsports.com/football/peyton-hillis-riding-white-running-back-mystique-to-madden-cover-vote-semis/63581
You guys can ignore it all you want, but it doesn't make it any less true.
A blog and some guy I never heard of. Hell, those could be posts by you and they wouldn't be any more true. It's the same as it is now.....your and their OPINION.
dogfish
04-25-2011, 05:01 PM
Apparently I'm not the only person who feels this way. Both of these guys do a much better job presenting this argument than I did....
http://open.salon.com/blog/desicortez/2011/04/18/peyton_hillis_graces_cover_of_madden_-_because_hes_white
http://larrybrownsports.com/football/peyton-hillis-riding-white-running-back-mystique-to-madden-cover-vote-semis/63581
You guys can ignore it all you want, but it doesn't make it any less true.
wait. . . because somebody blogged about it, now it's the truth?
you have exceptionally low standards of proof, apparently. . . .
dogfish
04-25-2011, 05:01 PM
A blog and some guy I never heard of. Hell, those could be posts by you and they wouldn't be any more true. It's the same as it is now.....your and their OPINION.
beat me to it. . .
I googled Peyton Hillis Madden White and that's what came up. That and some website blackathlete.com :laugh:, Yahoo answers and more just editorial opinion pieces by a bunch of us, internet nobodies.
BroncoWave
04-25-2011, 05:10 PM
wait. . . because somebody blogged about it, now it's the truth?
you have exceptionally low standards of proof, apparently. . . .
Reading comprehension is in a sad place today. I clearly stated that it proves I'm not the only guy who has that OPINION, not that I'm proving that opinion as fact. You guys came up with this idea that this is just some crazy idea I cooked up and i showed examples that other people share that opinion.
I don't get why you guys just refuse to accept this as at least part of the reason for his popularity. Americans love novelties and rarities and a white running back succeeding in the NFL is as rare as it gets.
I also think you guys are misunderstanding where I'm coming from. I'm not saying he has all this fanfare ONLY because he's white. I'm saying he has the fanfare because he's a white guy succeeding at a position where white guys almost never succeed. People appreciate him for the feat he accomplished as a white guy, not just for being a white guy.
Reading comprehension is in a sad place today. I clearly stated that it proves I'm not the only guy who has that OPINION, not that I'm proving that opinion as fact. You guys came up with this idea that this is just some crazy idea I cooked up and i showed examples that other people share that opinion.
I don't get why you guys just refuse to accept this as at least part of the reason for his popularity. Americans love novelties and rarities and a white running back succeeding in the NFL is as rare as it gets.
I also think you guys are misunderstanding where I'm coming from. I'm not saying he has all this fanfare ONLY because he's white. I'm saying he has the fanfare because he's a white guy succeeding at a position where white guys almost never succeed. People appreciate him for the feat he accomplished as a white guy, not just for being a white guy.
And I'm saying WHITE has nothing to do with it. I guess you are misunderstanding me. I don't know how to put it any more plainly. I understand what you are saying, I don't agree.
I appreciate the way he plays not his accomplishments as a white, heterosexual male with very nice calves.
:D
Why should we accept it if we feel you are wrong. You are hung up on the race issue, we aren't.
Northman
04-25-2011, 05:18 PM
Reading comprehension is in a sad place today. I clearly stated that it proves I'm not the only guy who has that OPINION, not that I'm proving that opinion as fact. You guys came up with this idea that this is just some crazy idea I cooked up and i showed examples that other people share that opinion.
I don't get why you guys just refuse to accept this as at least part of the reason for his popularity. Americans love novelties and rarities and a white running back succeeding in the NFL is as rare as it gets.
I also think you guys are misunderstanding where I'm coming from. I'm not saying he has all this fanfare ONLY because he's white. I'm saying he has the fanfare because he's a white guy succeeding at a position where white guys almost never succeed. People appreciate him for the feat he accomplished as a white guy, not just for being a white guy.
I dont think your making it up and you certainly have some valid points. However, things like this are just popularity contests anyway and as Gem said Hillis has managed to win fans across the board for his style of play and i dont see anything wrong with him being on the cover if he wins.
BroncoWave
04-25-2011, 05:23 PM
And I'm saying WHITE has nothing to do with it. I guess you are misunderstanding me. I don't know how to put it any more plainly. I understand what you are saying, I don't agree.
I appreciate the way he plays not his accomplishments as a white, heterosexual male with very nice calves.
:D
Why should we accept it if we feel you are wrong. You are hung up on the race issue, we aren't.
No I'm not, I don't think he's that great of a player, white or not. I think he's an average RB at best. I'm just pointing out the obvious fact that him being a white RB who has had success is a key contributor to his national appeal. Just because that's not the reason YOU like him doesn't mean it's not the reason for many others.
BroncoWave
04-25-2011, 05:25 PM
I dont think your making it up and you certainly have some valid points. However, things like this are just popularity contests anyway and as Gem said Hillis has managed to win fans across the board for his style of play and i dont see anything wrong with him being on the cover if he wins.
I don't have a problem with it either since it's a fan vote and he appears to be who the fans want to see on the cover, I'm just giving my opinion as to why he seems to be the fan favorite when his play on the field doesn't seem to warrant it.
No I'm not, I don't think he's that great of a player, white or not. I think he's an average RB at best. I'm just pointing out the obvious fact that him being a white RB who has had success is a key contributor to his national appeal. Just because that's not the reason YOU like him doesn't mean it's not the reason for many others.
Who here has said he's a great player? :confused:
Show me some pieces where that that obvious fact is stated. Show me somewhere that people are saying that the reason they want Hillis on the cover is because he's white.
It's not FACT, it's OPINION.
Your opinion consists of him being a white RB. My opinion consists of him making incredible runs, and his athleticism.
Just like always, trumping the race card is futile.
Northman
04-25-2011, 05:28 PM
I don't have a problem with it either since it's a fan vote and he appears to be who the fans want to see on the cover, I'm just giving my opinion as to why he seems to be the fan favorite when his play on the field doesn't seem to warrant it.
Well, we disagree on the play on the field doesnt warrant it statement but to each his own. I think if you going to judge players by "stats" you need to include all the circumstances surrounding said player. Had Hillis played for the Packers and still put up those nice numbers would it had made a difference for you personally?
Northman
04-25-2011, 05:29 PM
Who here has said he's a great player? :confused:
Show me some pieces where that that obvious fact is stated. Show me somewhere that people are saying that the reason they want Hillis on the cover is because he's white.
It's not FACT, it's OPINION.
Just like always, trumping the race card is futile.
Im not replying to his post but i just want to say thats a VERY CUTE pic of you Gemmy. :D
BroncoWave
04-25-2011, 05:30 PM
Well, we disagree on the play on the field doesnt warrant it statement but to each his own. I think if you going to judge players by "stats" you need to include all the circumstances surrounding said player. Had Hillis played for the Packers and still put up those nice numbers would it had made a difference for you personally?
There were 5-10 RBs with better numbers than him, and who have done it more consistently over the years. What makes Hillis deserve it over them, just strictly based on level of play?
There were 5-10 RBs with better numbers than him, and who have done it more consistently over the years. What makes Hillis deserve it over them, just strictly based on level of play?
That's where you aren't getting it. Hillis isn't in consideration because of stats and numbers. He's in consideration because of his style of play.
Did Vince Young get on the cover because of stats and numbers?
BroncoWave
04-25-2011, 05:35 PM
That's where you aren't getting it. Hillis isn't in consideration because of stats and numbers. He's in consideration because of his style of play.
Did Vince Young get on the cover because of stats and numbers?
You don't have any more proof of than than I do that he's on it because he's white.
You don't have any more proof of than than I do that he's on it because he's white.
Hey, I could call it a fact just like you and because I said it's fact, it is.
:D
Do you seriously think he's in consideration for the cover based on stats? Oh no, it's because he's white. Or logically, it's because he stands out, fans like him and he plays differently than any other RB in the NFL today.
Northman
04-25-2011, 05:40 PM
There were 5-10 RBs with better numbers than him, and who have done it more consistently over the years. What makes Hillis deserve it over them, just strictly based on level of play?
Well remember, we are talking just about this past year. None of the players who make that cover are based strictly on careers. Its just based off who was hot during that year and of course generally it ends up being someone from the winning SB team. But who are the backs that you are ranking above them? How many of them are on playoff teams?
That's where you aren't getting it. Hillis isn't in consideration because of stats and numbers. He's in consideration because of his style of play.
Did Vince Young get on the cover because of stats and numbers?
No Vince Young did because he was black. Same with McNabb, only because he's black. I'm starting to see what BTB is getting out... :sarcasm:
Hey, I could call it a fact just like you and because I said it's fact, it is.
:D
Do you seriously think he's in consideration for the cover based on stats? Oh no, it's because he's white. Or logically, it's because he stands out, fans like him and he plays differently than any other RB in the NFL today.
Yea, all you have to do is say you know with 100% certainty.... and it's a fact. ;)
Go WHITEY!!!!
I watch football games with my white hood on. Yea homey!
:rolleyes:
No Vince Young did because he was black. Same with McNabb, only because he's black. I'm starting to see what BTB is getting out... :sarcasm:
That McNabb is one incredible BLACK quarterback.
:tsk:
Cosell left MNF for saying similar shit. "That little monkey gets loose, doesn't he?"
Point being....maybe BTB isn't intending to sound racist, but wow.
Well remember, we are talking just about this past year. None of the players who make that cover are based strictly on careers. Its just based off who was hot during that year and of course generally it ends up being someone from the winning SB team. But who are the backs that you are ranking above them? How many of them are on playoff teams?
This is the best way I can think of explaining it for someone like BTB. A friend of mine is a diehard Ravens fan. I saw him a few weeks after Hillis had the big game against the Ravens and he was dumfounded. He said nobody runs that way on the Ravens. It wan't just the raw numbers (and it was a pretty big day), but it was how he ran on them. The fact that he was bowling over their defenders. He asked me how the heck the Broncos had let him go.
People like that, fans of teams Hillis ran against were very likely to vote for him once their team's player was out of the running, because he simply did things on the field that we aren't used to seeing running backs do, which is the combination of bruising short yardage, above average speed/cutting, hurdling, and his VERY impressive receiving.
This is the best way I can think of explaining it for someone like BTB. A friend of mine is a diehard Ravens fan. I saw him a few weeks after Hillis had the big game against the Ravens and he was dumfounded. He said nobody runs that way on the Ravens. It wan't just the raw numbers (and it was a pretty big day), but it was how he ran on them. The fact that he was bowling over their defenders. He asked me how the heck the Broncos had let him go.
People like that, fans of teams Hillis ran against were very likely to vote for him once their team's player was out of the running, because he simply did things on the field that we aren't used to seeing running backs do, which is the combination of bruising short yardage, above average speed/cutting, hurdling, and his VERY impressive receiving.
Did your friend say nobody or no white guy?
Northman
04-25-2011, 06:02 PM
Did your friend say nobody or no white guy?
Wow, somebody is riled up. :lol:
Wow, somebody is riled up. :lol:
:laugh: I am annoyed by it. I mean I enjoy your down home racist get down once in awhile, but leave the Albino Rhino out of it. :D
dogfish
04-25-2011, 06:08 PM
Reading comprehension is in a sad place today. I clearly stated that it proves I'm not the only guy who has that OPINION, not that I'm proving that opinion as fact. You guys came up with this idea that this is just some crazy idea I cooked up and i showed examples that other people share that opinion.
I don't get why you guys just refuse to accept this as at least part of the reason for his popularity. Americans love novelties and rarities and a white running back succeeding in the NFL is as rare as it gets.
I also think you guys are misunderstanding where I'm coming from. I'm not saying he has all this fanfare ONLY because he's white. I'm saying he has the fanfare because he's a white guy succeeding at a position where white guys almost never succeed. People appreciate him for the feat he accomplished as a white guy, not just for being a white guy.
child, please!
you make a vague, blanket statement about "the truth," and then try to blame someone else's reading comprehension?
FAIL
i think the real "truth" here is that you've always resented hillis because the mcdaniels detractors rallied around him-- go back and look at previous threads about his accomplishments, and let's see if we can find you denigrating said accomplishments. . . it's been a pattern with you-- this is just an extension of it. . .
and there's at least as much "truth" in that statement as anything you've said about this issue. . .
atwater27
04-25-2011, 06:10 PM
Just to add to this, Hillis only had 1100 yards and 11 TD last season, which is decent, but isn't THAT great of a season. I know everyone is enamored with him because he is doing it as a white RB (and I'm sorry but you are a damn liar if you say otherwise. no one raises an eyebrow whenever a black RB puts up these kind of numbers) but if you look at it objectively he didn't do anything overly spectacular last season. He had more games rushing for under 50 yards (7) than he had rushing for over 100 yards (5) last year. He's an average RB at best who had a couple of monster games that made his overall stats look decent, but nothing more.
If you want to champion his cause because of the novelty of him doing what he did as a white RB, or because of the boner you get for championing anyone mcdaniels let go out of your hatred for him that's fine, but let's just call it as it is instead of trying to pretend he deserves it because of his accomplishments on the field.
LMAO... Says the guy who wanted Tebow to win the cover... Lt me guess. It's because he's a white overachiever.
http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2010/11/ipt/1289181489.jpg
Say what?
http://media.cleveland.com/browns_impact/photo/9082477-large.jpg
Able to leap grown men in a single bound.
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/nicole0702/107182269_display_image.jpg
Look Mom, it's Superman!!
Now THAT'S why I like him, not because he's white, because he plays the game of football in a way (HEART and ATHLETICISM) that I absolutely love!
atwater27
04-25-2011, 06:16 PM
If there were a black RB in today's NFL that ran like Peyton Hillis, I'd be a fan of them also.
The white/black novelty of your views is ridiculous.
I could give a shit less if he is white/black/yellow or purple. He trucks safeties and linebackers, he hurdles defensive ends. That isn't impressive because he's white, it's just plain impressive.
It's impressive the same way Walter Payton was at getting out of sticky situations. It's impressive the same way Atwater took down the Nigerian Nightmare. But I guess that should have been said it was impressive for a black player back in the whitey days of the NFL.
:rolleyes:
Exactly!!! There was a black fullback who used to play in Denver. BTB might remember him.. Mike Anderson. I liked him just like I like Hillis.... tough, hardnosed runner with a tough work ethic and a knack for beating the odds of a fullback getting the rock. But I don't want to rain on the Hillis jealousy. Just admit it BTB, there is some real jealousy up in here.
atwater27
04-25-2011, 06:18 PM
If my view is so ridiculous then why are there numerous black running backs who are just flat out better than Hillis and have put up much better numbers over a longer period of time who are not in the finals of this cover vote?
Wher is a waaambulance when you need it?
By the way, when Hillis gets the rock, he produces. Don't hate him for it.
Northman
04-25-2011, 06:21 PM
Im just wondering when it was the last time we had a 1100 yd, 11 TD back. And that was just in 14 games. He then had 477 more yds receiving with 2 more TD's. How can someone underplay that?
Hell, Adrian Peterson is considered one of the best in the game and last year only had 1298 yds rushing and 12 TDs with one receiving TD.
Im just not sure how BTB can be downplaying Hillis's stats from last year. Dude was a fricking beast.
atwater27
04-25-2011, 06:21 PM
Did Vince Young get on the cover because of stats and numbers?
/thread
BroncoWave
04-25-2011, 06:27 PM
Thats fine, just continue to close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears, and scream loudly and just pretend that his slightly above average play is what makes him such a fan favorite. It's way easier to just get on your high horse and call me a racist instead of actually looking at things objectively and admitting that what I'm saying might actually have some merit.
BroncoWave
04-25-2011, 06:29 PM
I also love how you just can't discuss race on this board without being called a racist. Seriously, grow up people.
atwater27
04-25-2011, 06:32 PM
Thats fine, just continue to close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears, and scream loudly and just pretend that his slightly above average play is what makes him such a fan favorite. It's way easier to just get on your high horse and call me a racist instead of actually looking at things objectively and admitting that what I'm saying might actually have some merit.
Peyton has a response to the above post....
http://www.thecitygoodhope.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/haters1.jpg
Agent of Orange
04-25-2011, 07:09 PM
F**** you, Josh McDonalds!!!
Npba900
04-26-2011, 06:01 AM
I'm happy for Hillis. It's recognition I'm sure he never dreamt of, and although I wish he was still a Bronco, I'm glad that Cleveland gave him the opportunity to show them what he's capable of.
I'll always be a Hillis fan. Going back to 2008, had Hillis not been injured the Broncos would have made the playoffs and McD would never have been hired in 2009 and Shanny would NOT have been fired.
There's no doubt by looking at Hillis highlights from 2008, he was a very special athlete and player.
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