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underrated29
03-18-2011, 01:05 PM
PFW- reported that Patrick Peterson scored a 6 on the wonderlic. Or maybe it was a 9. Either way it was a single digit and pathetic. Vince young pathetic.


Calling all CARols to post a link. Or you guys can find it for yourself.



Will it drop his status? Maybe, but its all the more reason for us not to take him.
Dareus fat ass is getting sexier by the day.

ikillz0mbies
03-18-2011, 01:24 PM
It's not like it matters. The Broncos will draft Fairley or Dareus. Or Gabbert or Locker hehe.

BroncoNut
03-18-2011, 01:34 PM
Locker had a pretty low wonderlic score too. or maybe it was Cam Newton. I forget, didn't score high myself.

cuzz4169
03-18-2011, 01:45 PM
Wonderlic means jack shit...other than maybe a QB. How smart do you have to be to run with a guy and cover him?

BroncoNut
03-18-2011, 01:46 PM
Wonderlic means jack shit...other than maybe a QB. How smart do you have to be to run with a guy and cover him?

I agree with you cuzz

underrated29
03-18-2011, 01:58 PM
Wonderlic means jack shit...other than maybe a QB. How smart do you have to be to run with a guy and cover him?



Fox runs lots of zone schemes- he wont just be running around covering a guy, and he will also have to be able to disguise and recognize. It actually means a fair amount.

Buff
03-18-2011, 02:43 PM
We already have DJ Williams bringing down the collective IQ of the defense about 100 points. No more dumbasses please.

BroncoNut
03-18-2011, 02:45 PM
Personally, I think it's good if players are not that intelligent. Frankly, I wish they were all illiterate. Then we wouldn't be going through this CBA nonsense.

BeefStew25
03-19-2011, 01:30 AM
And I don't want them caring about brain bruises either. Sack up.

zbeg
03-19-2011, 04:09 AM
Wonderlic means jack shit...other than maybe a QB. How smart do you have to be to run with a guy and cover him?

Champ Bailey is obsessive about film study, and learns the offenses of the teams he's playing against. He tries to learn their tendencies, which routes the receiver will run against certain defense, and he learns the adjustments they tend to make. A few years ago against the Cardinals, Champ had an interception, and Larry Fitzgerald said that Champ ran the route better than Larry did.

Champ's one of the best corners in history not only because of his physical talent and fluid hips, but also because he's one of the smartest guys at the position and he studies, studies, studies - and uses his intelligence to gain an edge.

Sure, you can probably get by with a moron with freakish talent, but intelligence matters at all positions - football is really, really complicated. If you can understand and predict what the other side is going to do, that will always make you better.

rcsodak
03-19-2011, 12:06 PM
Peterson at least got his name right. :laugh:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=pfw-20110317_low_wonderlic_scores_ding_elite_nfl_prosp ects

Two of the NFL's brightest future stars, LSU CB Patrick Peterson and Georgia WR A.J. Green, registered among the five lowest Wonderlic scores of the 330 participants at this year’s NFL scouting combine.

Peterson was one of four prospects who recorded a dreaded single-digit score, which NFL teams often equate with getting their name right, tying with South Carolina's Chris Culliver for the lowest mark among all defensive backs as both correctly answered only nine questions on the 12-minute, 50-question test.

Green registered the lowest score of all receivers, answering 10 questions correctly.

LTC Pain
03-19-2011, 12:45 PM
http://broncosforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233638

Nomad
03-19-2011, 12:48 PM
Are wonderlic scores really that important?? If they can learn a college playbook and be an elite college player, then I wouldn't take the wonderlic very seriously if it didn't influence my position and talent....basically what i'm saying is these guys have the talent to outweigh any petty test score!

dogfish
03-19-2011, 12:49 PM
who cares if he's too dumb to spell his own name the same way twice in a row-- he's 215 with a 4.3 40!

rcsodak
03-19-2011, 01:06 PM
http://broncosforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233638

Visits and workouts.

Nice.

rcsodak
03-19-2011, 01:11 PM
Are wonderlic scores really that important?? If they can learn a college playbook and be an elite college player, then I wouldn't take the wonderlic very seriously if it didn't influence my position and talent....basically what i'm saying is these guys have the talent to outweigh any petty test score!

Well, nomad, that's the rub. Can pro teams get out of a player what the college coach did, in HIS scheme, or is he going to have to 'dumbit down' for him?

If a kid can't read a frik'n playbook, say a wr, then he'll be playing right alongside leli. qb: "just run as fast as you can and i'll throw it to you."

Lonestar
03-19-2011, 02:03 PM
They just flat Have to be able to get it. NFL scheme and playbooks are much more complex than college ones are.

God given talent will only take you so far.

Now if they were in the mid teens that is one thing. But 10 and under is down right dumb for some one that supposedly has a college degree. Or about to.
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Denver Native (Carol)
03-19-2011, 02:15 PM
Visits and workouts.

Nice.

I think he was referring to the following link, which was in one of the posts within that thread, which is the same one you referenced in your initial post.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=pfw-20110317_low_wonderlic_scores_ding_elite_nfl_prosp ects

Ravage!!!
03-19-2011, 02:26 PM
Wonderlic means jack shit...other than maybe a QB. How smart do you have to be to run with a guy and cover him?

How about a Center? or a MLB? Safety? Lt Tackle? FB?

When playing against guys like Peyton, Rivers, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Rothlesburger..... wouldn't you want your corners to be cerebral players that can understand coverages and changes quickly?

Back in the old days the wonderlick was something players didn't really know about. They didn't study for it, and never saw it before it was presented to them at the combine. Now, players not only know about it, but can/do take practice tests, knowing that their score could easily effect their draft position....even if its a spot or 2.

If a player can study for it, practice the test, get help to prepare for it, and STILL scores in the single digits..... holy friggin moly.

dogfish
03-19-2011, 02:34 PM
the thing that bothers me is peterson has been pretty vocal about his excitement to go to the NFL and get drafted as high as possible-- he was the one player that spoke about about it being important to him to walk out on stage and shake hands with the commish. . . when his camp is working aggressively to maximize his stock, you'd hope he would take the wunderschmuck seriously. . . and if he did, that might be even worse news. . .

not the end of the world, certainly, and it doesn't in any way mean he can't or won't be a good player. . .

but for me, it's just another reason to say no to a guy that i didn't think was the right choice before this came out. . . .

MNPatsFan
03-19-2011, 02:43 PM
Peterson at least got his name right. :laugh:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=pfw-20110317_low_wonderlic_scores_ding_elite_nfl_prosp ects

Two of the NFL's brightest future stars, LSU CB Patrick Peterson and Georgia WR A.J. Green, registered among the five lowest Wonderlic scores of the 330 participants at this year’s NFL scouting combine.

Peterson was one of four prospects who recorded a dreaded single-digit score, which NFL teams often equate with getting their name right, tying with South Carolina's Chris Culliver for the lowest mark among all defensive backs as both correctly answered only nine questions on the 12-minute, 50-question test.

Green registered the lowest score of all receivers, answering 10 questions correctly.How can anyone ONLY answer 9 or 10 questions right?:confused:

WOW!!! Hope those players aren't going to teams with complex or complicated systems because they probably won't be able to learn and pick up any system that is complicated.:lol:

cuzz4169
03-19-2011, 02:57 PM
Wonderlic score means jack shit!!! Maybe a little for a QB but for other positions it means dick!! what do these questions have to do with being a football player?!

Look at the row of numbers below. What number should come next?
27 9 3 1 1/3 1/9

Paper sells for 21 cents per pad. What will 5 pads cost?

A train travels 20 feet in 1/5 seconds At this exact speed, how many feet will it travel in three seconds?

When rope is selling at $.10 a foot, how many feet can you buy for sixty cents?

In printing an article of 48,000 words, a printer decides to use two sizes of type. Using the larger type, a printed page contains 1,800 words. Using smaller type, a page contains 2,400 words. The article is allotted 21 full pages in a magazine. How many pages must be in smaller type?

So Peterson scored bad so what!!?? So he can't cover a guy in a game bc he don't know how much 5 pads cost? give me a break!!

I Eat Staples
03-19-2011, 03:08 PM
Wonderlic score means jack shit!!! Maybe a little for a QB but for other positions it means dick!! what do these questions have to do with being a football player?!

Look at the row of numbers below. What number should come next?
27 9 3 1 1/3 1/9

Paper sells for 21 cents per pad. What will 5 pads cost?

A train travels 20 feet in 1/5 seconds At this exact speed, how many feet will it travel in three seconds?

When rope is selling at $.10 a foot, how many feet can you buy for sixty cents?

In printing an article of 48,000 words, a printer decides to use two sizes of type. Using the larger type, a printed page contains 1,800 words. Using smaller type, a page contains 2,400 words. The article is allotted 21 full pages in a magazine. How many pages must be in smaller type?

So Peterson scored bad so what!!?? So he can't cover a guy in a game bc he don't know how much 5 pads cost? give me a break!!

It means he's a dumbass.

cuzz4169
03-19-2011, 03:11 PM
It means he's a dumbass.

hahaha I do agree with that. lol I've listen to his interviews and he doesn't sound as bad as some guys.

Nomad
03-19-2011, 04:27 PM
Wonderlic score means jack shit!!! Maybe a little for a QB but for other positions it means dick!! what do these questions have to do with being a football player?!

Look at the row of numbers below. What number should come next?
27 9 3 1 1/3 1/9

Paper sells for 21 cents per pad. What will 5 pads cost?

A train travels 20 feet in 1/5 seconds At this exact speed, how many feet will it travel in three seconds?

When rope is selling at $.10 a foot, how many feet can you buy for sixty cents?

In printing an article of 48,000 words, a printer decides to use two sizes of type. Using the larger type, a printed page contains 1,800 words. Using smaller type, a page contains 2,400 words. The article is allotted 21 full pages in a magazine. How many pages must be in smaller type?

So Peterson scored bad so what!!?? So he can't cover a guy in a game bc he don't know how much 5 pads cost? give me a break!!

I believe many players don't put too much emphasis on this test and they are smart. A 50 question test in 12 minutes and more than likely many players just connect the dots. I.E., when we took the ASVAB our senior year in high school, I knew some honor students who could care less about the test because they knew they were'nt going into the military and were college bound and made in the 30s but scored high on the ACT and while they were in college.

atwater27
03-19-2011, 04:37 PM
A low score indicates a person may not be too bright acedemically. But more importantly than the score of the player, what does this say about the minimum acedemic standards of the colleges these kids go to? I wonder if anyone has ever broken down what colleges these kids tend to go to that get the low scores and found some trends. Same for the higher scores. Pretty sad that athletes STILL get pushed through these colleges instead of actually earning their degrees.

Northman
03-19-2011, 04:37 PM
Peterson at least got his name right. :laugh:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=pfw-20110317_low_wonderlic_scores_ding_elite_nfl_prosp ects

Two of the NFL's brightest future stars, LSU CB Patrick Peterson and Georgia WR A.J. Green, registered among the five lowest Wonderlic scores of the 330 participants at this year’s NFL scouting combine.

Peterson was one of four prospects who recorded a dreaded single-digit score, which NFL teams often equate with getting their name right, tying with South Carolina's Chris Culliver for the lowest mark among all defensive backs as both correctly answered only nine questions on the 12-minute, 50-question test.

Green registered the lowest score of all receivers, answering 10 questions correctly.

Thats actually really hilarious. :lol:

Northman
03-19-2011, 04:53 PM
Wonderlic score means jack shit!!!

http://www.career-and-test.com/NFL-Wonderlic-test.html


The rigorous workout of training for the National Football League (http://www.career-and-test.com/NFL-Wonderlic-test.html#) (NFL) pre-draft does not stop with the physical. NFL hopefuls are put through their paces on the football field, along with hard workouts in the gym and a fast 40-yard dash. But it does not end there. The NFL also wants to know just how intelligent potential players are based on the NFL Wonderlic test.


The point is to measure your problem solving and decision-making skills, as well spatial ability, and how you apply rules to fit your solutions. It is not about testing what you know. The NFL Wonderlic test tells the organization how you handle what you already know.


While you may think this negates the use of the test, it highlights its value to the NFL when put into perspective. The Wonderlic test does not measure actual intelligence but a player’s analytical skills.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic_Test

This assessment roughly corresponds to examples from Paul Zimmerman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Zimmerman)'s The New Thinking Man's Guide to Pro Football. According to Zimmerman, examples of average scores for each position (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football_positions) are:


Offensive tackle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offensive_tackle) – 26
Center (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_%28football%29) – 25
Quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback) – 24 (Most teams want at least 21 for a quarterback.)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic_Test#cite_note-pompei20100419-5)
Guard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guard_%28football%29) – 23
Tight end (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tight_end) – 22
Safety (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_back) – 19
Linebacker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linebacker) – 19
Cornerback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_back) – 18
Wide receiver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_receiver) – 17
Fullback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fullback_%28American_football%29) – 17
Halfback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back) – 16


Here is some scores from a year or so ago for DB's.

CB
Malcolm Jenkins 23/35
Vontae Davis 33/49
Jarius Byrd 15/43
Darius Butler 24/35
DJ Moore 21/36
Alphonso Smith 22/32

So while most coaches will say its not a be all end all to how a player will be it does play a significant part in their evaluating process contrary to what your saying.

Ziggy
03-19-2011, 05:00 PM
I love this part of the offseason. Wonderlic scores after all, always tell us how good or bad a player will be:

Dan Marino-15
Jim Kelly- 15
Ryan Clady- 13
Steve McNair- 15


Mike Mamula- 49
Bruce Eugene- 41
Akili Smith- 37
Pat McInally- 50

'Tis the season to dissect draft prospescts based on everything other than the film......

Dirk
03-19-2011, 05:12 PM
A low score indicates a person may not be too bright acedemically. But more importantly than the score of the player, what does this say about the minimum acedemic standards of the colleges these kids go to? I wonder if anyone has ever broken down what colleges these kids tend to go to that get the low scores and found some trends. Same for the higher scores. Pretty sad that athletes STILL get pushed through these colleges instead of actually earning their degrees.

Listen bro...it's all about the money. They don't care if a young man will be able to make a living with his college degree...all they care about is if they can make the college money while he is there. It's unfortunate...but that is the way it is. :tsk:

BroncoStud
03-19-2011, 05:23 PM
Holy crap there are some idiots making a lot of money... wow... In case you guys haven't taken the test, there are several samples online and it just shows how easy the test really is... It's nothing like the ACT or the SAT.

Absolute morons.

cuzz4169
03-19-2011, 06:14 PM
So while most coaches will say its not a be all end all to how a player will be it does play a significant part in their evaluating process contrary to what your saying.

Bet ya anything you want it means jack shit he STILL goes top 7!!?? Wanna bet!!?? Shit 30% of the guys in the 60s couldn't read. Give me all the links you want...Wonderlic means nothing...unless maybe your a qb...for every high score you show me I can show a low one. Marino scored a 15, Bradshaw 15, Cunningham 15, McNair 15, McNabb 12, Stewart, Kordell 12, Frank Gore 6, and heres a guy we all want Brandon Mebane 6...Wonderlic is a ******* joke.

broncobryce
03-19-2011, 06:57 PM
The wonderdick is for schmucks. Marino got a 15, Montana I heard got a 19 or something. Although back then no one cared to study for it or whatever. Its a bs test IMO, doesn't mean much really.

Denver Native (Carol)
03-19-2011, 07:30 PM
Here is a sample of the wonderlic test:

http://walterfootball.com/draftwonderlic.php

FanInAZ
03-20-2011, 02:18 AM
I love this part of the offseason. Wonderlic scores after all, always tell us how good or bad a player will be:

Dan Marino-15
Jim Kelly- 15
Ryan Clady- 13
Steve McNair- 15


Mike Mamula- 49
Bruce Eugene- 41
Akili Smith- 37
Pat McInally- 50

'Tis the season to dissect draft prospescts based on everything other than the film......

So two HOF QBs (Marino & Kelly) had scores that were less than half that of one of the leagues all time biggest busts (Akili Smith). I guess that tells you about all you need to know about this Wonderlic test.

sneakers
03-20-2011, 04:49 AM
What a bunch of morons lol

sneakers
03-20-2011, 05:04 AM
Holy crap there are some idiots making a lot of money... wow... In case you guys haven't taken the test, there are several samples online and it just shows how easy the test really is... It's nothing like the ACT or the SAT.

Absolute morons.

This is what I was thinking too! They must really have some liberties when it comes to academic standards when it comes to letting these guys into D1 universities.....and I wonder what their "Major" was?

(Ron Dayne's was Agricultural Sciences)

Juriga72
03-20-2011, 08:38 AM
This is what I was thinking too! They must really have some liberties when it comes to academic standards when it comes to letting these guys into D1 universities.....and I wonder what their "Major" was?(Ron Dayne's was Agricultural Sciences)

"Fathering Children" was Travis Henry's.....

Lonestar
03-20-2011, 09:46 AM
Personally, I think it's good if players are not that intelligent. Frankly, I wish they were all illiterate. Then we wouldn't be going through this CBA nonsense.

Actually the dumber the members the easier they are to be manipulated by the union leaders.
Smarter folks do nit believe all the crap they say.
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Lonestar
03-20-2011, 09:56 AM
The wonderdick is for schmucks. Marino got a 15, Montana I heard got a 19 or something. Although back then no one cared to study for it or whatever. Its a bs test IMO, doesn't mean much really.

Defences and his own offense were not as complicated as they are today.

Not to mention the Athletes arebigger faster And smarter today.
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Northman
03-20-2011, 10:02 AM
Champ Bailey is obsessive about film study, and learns the offenses of the teams he's playing against. He tries to learn their tendencies, which routes the receiver will run against certain defense, and he learns the adjustments they tend to make. A few years ago against the Cardinals, Champ had an interception, and Larry Fitzgerald said that Champ ran the route better than Larry did.

Champ's one of the best corners in history not only because of his physical talent and fluid hips, but also because he's one of the smartest guys at the position and he studies, studies, studies - and uses his intelligence to gain an edge.

Sure, you can probably get by with a moron with freakish talent, but intelligence matters at all positions - football is really, really complicated. If you can understand and predict what the other side is going to do, that will always make you better.


Yeeeeeep. Spot on.

underrated29
03-20-2011, 11:46 AM
Here is a sample of the wonderlic test:

http://walterfootball.com/draftwonderlic.php



OMG-that was one of the easiest tests ever!


Seriously, I thought they were just being facetious and condescending when they said that getting a 6 is like only spelling your name right. But after taking that test it is slightly amazing at how stupid these guys are.

LTC Pain
03-20-2011, 11:48 AM
So, Peterson is a freaklishly talent athlete with nothing in the cranial cavity and the Broncos should pass on him???

underrated29
03-20-2011, 12:36 PM
So, Peterson is a freaklishly talent athlete with nothing in the cranial cavity and the Broncos should pass on him???


That is correct.

cuzz4169
03-20-2011, 12:41 PM
Champ Bailey is obsessive about film study, and learns the offenses of the teams he's playing against. He tries to learn their tendencies, which routes the receiver will run against certain defense, and he learns the adjustments they tend to make. A few years ago against the Cardinals, Champ had an interception, and Larry Fitzgerald said that Champ ran the route better than Larry did.

Champ's one of the best corners in history not only because of his physical talent and fluid hips, but also because he's one of the smartest guys at the position and he studies, studies, studies - and uses his intelligence to gain an edge.

Sure, you can probably get by with a moron with freakish talent, but intelligence matters at all positions - football is really, really complicated. If you can understand and predict what the other side is going to do, that will always make you better.

I agree with ya film study is key to getting better as an athlete...BUT football intellect is completely different. I have played with some guys dumb as a rock (from semi-pro to Arena 2) but they knew the game of football..It's completely different.

Lonestar
03-20-2011, 01:04 PM
I suspect that no matter what we decide here, those in charge will look at those morons very close before taking one that high.

Once again I will say for those that are shooting for top ten money will be coached in all aspects of the combine. The test is one. And if he was coached UP to a 9. Then we know just how dumb he is.

Not someone who will ever call coverages for the DBs. And that is something you want in a safety prospect.
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rcsodak
03-20-2011, 01:48 PM
How about a Center? or a MLB? Safety? Lt Tackle? FB?

When playing against guys like Peyton, Rivers, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Rothlesburger..... wouldn't you want your corners to be cerebral players that can understand coverages and changes quickly?

Back in the old days the wonderlick was something players didn't really know about. They didn't study for it, and never saw it before it was presented to them at the combine. Now, players not only know about it, but can/do take practice tests, knowing that their score could easily effect their draft position....even if its a spot or 2.

If a player can study for it, practice the test, get help to prepare for it, and STILL scores in the single digits..... holy friggin moly.
No shit! Lol. Especially when they're given the test last year and still don't do very well. See what they said about prince? 'Hes closer to the 14' lol
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rcsodak
03-20-2011, 01:51 PM
the thing that bothers me is peterson has been pretty vocal about his excitement to go to the NFL and get drafted as high as possible-- he was the one player that spoke about about it being important to him to walk out on stage and shake hands with the commish. . . when his camp is working aggressively to maximize his stock, you'd hope he would take the wunderschmuck seriously. . . and if he did, that might be even worse news. . .

not the end of the world, certainly, and it doesn't in any way mean he can't or won't be a good player. . .

but for me, it's just another reason to say no to a guy that i didn't think was the right choice before this came out. . . .
Well, it DOES matter when nfl people say outright he's not the sharpest knife. But then LSU isn't exactly harvard. Lol
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rcsodak
03-20-2011, 01:57 PM
A low score indicates a person may not be too bright acedemically. But more importantly than the score of the player, what does this say about the minimum acedemic standards of the colleges these kids go to? I wonder if anyone has ever broken down what colleges these kids tend to go to that get the low scores and found some trends. Same for the higher scores. Pretty sad that athletes STILL get pushed through these colleges instead of actually earning their degrees.

Well, since the article says most are 'coached' on the test, I doubt doing good will prove anything (amukamura). I think it says more when they do bad. Even if they don't take it seriously and dog it, what is a HC/FO supposed to think? The player wont take learning/coaching seriously as well?
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rcsodak
03-20-2011, 02:03 PM
Holy crap there are some idiots making a lot of money... wow... In case you guys haven't taken the test, there are several samples online and it just shows how easy the test really is... It's nothing like the ACT or the SAT.

Absolute morons.
Yep. Around this time of yr, somebody has started a thread to a test so we could make fun of each other. Especially on BM.
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Dzone
03-20-2011, 02:18 PM
Any of those man made tests, ie, ACT, SAT, Csaps, IQ tests are total bunk. You could score a 5 on those tests, get labeled an "IDIOT" and have genius mental abilities in other ways.

rcsodak
03-20-2011, 05:14 PM
Any of those man made tests, ie, ACT, SAT, Csaps, IQ tests are total bunk. You could score a 5 on those tests, get labeled an "IDIOT" and have genius mental abilities in other ways.
Clay is proof!
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