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NightTerror218
03-16-2011, 12:23 PM
We know we are in need of a TE...do we draft one late in the draft or try to wait till we can sign FAs again and sign a vet?

Broncos are sending a scout to check out Julius Thomas is a 6-foot-5, 248-pound tight end out of Portland State. He is a formal basketball player like Antonio Gates with good hands. Anyone know more about this kid?


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rcsodak
03-16-2011, 12:29 PM
Everybody thinks ex basketball players turned tight ends are going to be the next antonio gates.

Good luck in that hunt.
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dogfish
03-16-2011, 12:54 PM
assuming the draft happens before free agency, i'd look for a developmental type with some upside in the late rounds, and then target a mid-level vet like bo scaife in free agency. . .

LTC Pain
03-16-2011, 01:05 PM
assuming the draft happens before free agency, i'd look for a developmental type with some upside in the late rounds, and then target a mid-level vet like bo scaife in free agency. . .

Dogfish has the right idea. This approach allows the Broncos to focus the early round picks on defense. And to tell you the truth, if the Broncos take three front seven guys (2 DTs/1 LB) in the first/second rounds then I wouldn't mind them taking a RB in the third round.

BroncoStud
03-16-2011, 01:09 PM
TE is a glaring need for this offense. Gotta have a chain-mover.

topscribe
03-16-2011, 01:21 PM
TE is a glaring need for this offense. Gotta have a chain-mover.

Where is Putz? He was just that.

Not much of a blocker, but isn't that what Quinn and Gronkowski are for?

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SOCALORADO.
03-16-2011, 01:23 PM
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silkamilkamonico
03-16-2011, 01:40 PM
TE is a glaring need for this offense. Gotta have a chain-mover.

Fox used his TE's in Carolina for mainly run blocking. I think he'll do the same in Denver, and the organization will just go after a glorified run blocker for their TE position.

rcsodak
03-16-2011, 01:42 PM
Fox used his TE's in Carolina for mainly run blocking. I think he'll do the same in Denver, and the organization will just go after a glorified run blocker for their TE position.
But Mr Elway may have something to say about that.
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SOCALORADO.
03-16-2011, 01:44 PM
but mr elway may have something to say about that.
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NightTerror218
03-16-2011, 01:49 PM
Fox used his TE's in Carolina for mainly run blocking. I think he'll do the same in Denver, and the organization will just go after a glorified run blocker for their TE position.


Didn't they just cut a "glorified" blocking TE a few weeks ago? :confused:

BroncoStud
03-16-2011, 02:35 PM
Where is Putz? He was just that.

Not much of a blocker, but isn't that what Quinn and Grabowski are for?

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Yeah, that's what I thought as well. Putz was hurt a lot but he was solid.

topscribe
03-16-2011, 02:37 PM
Yeah, that's what I thought as well. Putz was hurt a lot but he was solid.

It just gripes me that the Broncos have seemed to dump certain players and
then have to use the draft to try to replace them . . . :tsk:

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BroncoStud
03-16-2011, 02:39 PM
It just gripes me that the Broncos have seemed to dump certain players and
then have to use the draft to try to replace them . . . :tsk:

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Just about every roster move we've made for the past 2 years has been questionable and foolish, in my opinion. Let's draft guys, get rid of them, then have to replace them via the draft the NEXT season... :confused:

silkamilkamonico
03-16-2011, 02:44 PM
Didn't they just cut a "glorified" blocking TE a few weeks ago? :confused:

That was paid like an upper tier pass catching TE? Yea.

Considering Mike McCoy is the smartest offensive "guru" on our entire staff, please don't expect and explosive and vaunted offense under Jim Fox.

rcsodak
03-16-2011, 03:02 PM
Didn't they just cut a "glorified" blocking TE a few weeks ago? :confused:yes, but he reportedly yelled at TT (a nono).....


.....oh, and was really expensive.
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rcsodak
03-16-2011, 03:03 PM
It just gripes me that the Broncos have seemed to dump certain players and
then have to use the draft to try to replace them . . . :tsk:

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Yeah....nepats fans feel the same way...

...oh, wait.

Sorry Top...I liked putz as well, but have you heard his name mentioned since he left?
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rcsodak
03-16-2011, 03:05 PM
That was paid like an upper tier pass catching TE? Yea.

Considering Mike McCoy is the smartest offensive "guru" on our entire staff, please don't expect and explosive and vaunted offense under Jim Fox.

I'd be content with 10-6 wins.
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topscribe
03-16-2011, 03:24 PM
Yeah....nepats fans feel the same way...

...oh, wait.

Sorry Top...I liked putz as well, but have you heard his name mentioned since he left?
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Yup. Just said his name over my answering machine then played it back.

Sure did ruin my greeting on it, though . . .

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rcsodak
03-16-2011, 03:26 PM
Yup. Just said his name over my answering machine then played it back.

Sure did ruin my greeting on it, though . . .

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Lol

You bored, too?
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silkamilkamonico
03-16-2011, 05:06 PM
I'd be content with 10-6 wins.
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I think we'll have to be, because this isn't going to be like the 8-8 Shanahan/Cutler Broncos where we were at least content with our offense.

Winning cures everything. But if we don't win, not only will we be a losing franchise (again), but our offense will probably put us to sleep watching the games and our defense will still likely be a couple players away from being formidable yet.

BigSarge87
03-16-2011, 05:30 PM
Yup. Just said his name over my answering machine then played it back.

Sure did ruin my greeting on it, though . . .

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What's an answering machine?




JK

elsid13
03-16-2011, 05:31 PM
Didn't they just cut a "glorified" blocking TE a few weeks ago? :confused:

That was costing them $6M plus. There are cheaper options out there. And since the offense is going to change much from last season, (that why McCoy was retained), there is no need to spend a lot of money on TE.

rcsodak
03-17-2011, 09:27 AM
That was costing them $6M plus. There are cheaper options out there. And since the offense is going to change much from last season, (that why McCoy was retained), there is no need to spend a lot of money on TE.

I believe this is where I interject and suggest maybe Mr Elway will have a strong opinion on that matter. I believe he holds more importance in that position than others do.
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Grover
03-17-2011, 11:52 AM
Gronkowski was coming along very nicely last year before he got himself placed on IR. Quinn has gone from clueless to "almost not a waste of a football jersey and shoulder pads". So he's progressing. I don't know much about Coates, but my GUESS is that we have three serviceable Tight Ends on the roster right now. Sure, none of them are Shannon Sharpe, but I think they all can be roll players and help the team.

My point above is that I'd like to see us draft a Running Back or Offensive Line player in the middle round and skip TE in this particular draft.

What I'm hoping to see with our six picks (in order) is DT, LB, S, RB, OL and DB or Return Specialist.

BroncoStud
03-17-2011, 12:00 PM
Gronkowski was coming along very nicely last year before he got himself placed on IR. Quinn has gone from clueless to "almost not a waste of a football jersey and shoulder pads". So he's progressing. I don't know much about Coates, but my GUESS is that we have three serviceable Tight Ends on the roster right now. Sure, none of them are Shannon Sharpe, but I think they all can be roll players and help the team.

My point above is that I'd like to see us draft a Running Back or Offensive Line player in the middle round and skip TE in this particular draft.

What I'm hoping to see with our six picks (in order) is DT, LB, S, RB, OL and DB or Return Specialist.

We need a TE who can catch passes, move chains, and make the middle of a defense respect his presence. We have NO ONE on the roster that is doing that. Whether it's through free agency or the draft, it needs to be addressed.

NightTerror218
03-17-2011, 12:29 PM
Gronkowski was coming along very nicely last year before he got himself placed on IR. Quinn has gone from clueless to "almost not a waste of a football jersey and shoulder pads". So he's progressing. I don't know much about Coates, but my GUESS is that we have three serviceable Tight Ends on the roster right now. Sure, none of them are Shannon Sharpe, but I think they all can be roll players and help the team.

My point above is that I'd like to see us draft a Running Back or Offensive Line player in the middle round and skip TE in this particular draft.

What I'm hoping to see with our six picks (in order) is DT, LB, S, RB, OL and DB or Return Specialist.


I think you are going to see in the draft DL, DL, OL, LB, RB, TE

elsid13
03-17-2011, 04:09 PM
I believe this is where I interject and suggest maybe Mr Elway will have a strong opinion on that matter. I believe he holds more importance in that position than others do.
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Elway not coaching the team or calling plays. They have plan, and it appear they are trying to get the defense right before they make any major changes to the offense.

rcsodak
03-17-2011, 05:49 PM
Elway not coaching the team or calling plays. They have plan, and it appear they are trying to get the defense right before they make any major changes to the offense.

Nope. You're right there. But he does have final say on all picks. ;-)
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nevcraw
03-17-2011, 06:28 PM
they may be planning on trying to fix defense but could see them taking a rb in the second..

elsid13
03-17-2011, 06:32 PM
they may be planning on trying to fix defense but could see them taking a rb in the second..

Why? This is very bad draft for RB, and you get the same type of guy in either 2nd, 3rd or 4th round.

nevcraw
03-17-2011, 06:35 PM
yes, but he reportedly yelled at TT (a nono).....

.....oh, and was really expensive.
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reportedly where?

or - this like when you told the other kids in school your dad was a ninja?

nevcraw
03-17-2011, 06:39 PM
Why? This is very bad draft for RB, and you get the same type of guy in either 2nd, 3rd or 4th round.

if Ingraham falls to the 2nd unlikey but also after just scanning the the espn mocks there are a few rb's slotted to the go in the 2nd. and we know how fox like running game..

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
03-17-2011, 08:23 PM
I need a tight end too. I'm really trying to get more exercise.

rcsodak
03-17-2011, 10:24 PM
Why? This is very bad draft for RB, and you get the same type of guy in either 2nd, 3rd or 4th round.I've heard this is a deep rb draft. No AD's, but lots of good players. Nothing wrong with getting good value, late, is there?
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rcsodak
03-17-2011, 10:26 PM
reportedly where?

or - this like when you told the other kids in school your dad was a ninja?
My dad died when I was young, so no.

DP reportedly touched on it after wk 17.
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Bosco
03-20-2011, 05:44 AM
It wouldn't surprise me to see Graham brought back on a much cheaper deal. You almost have to feel bad for the guy. He came to Denver with the promise of being more involved in the passing game only to end up having to babysit some poor offensive line play every year except 2008.

Anyways, we'll probably roll with Quinn and Gronkowski as our two primary tight ends. Quinn improved by leaps and bounds in 2010 and is already almost as good a blocker as Graham was, while Gronkowski gives us a receiving option.

HORSEPOWER 56
03-20-2011, 08:47 AM
As previously discussed, the lack of FA before the draft leaves us with few options but to scout and potentially draft positions that are probably best addressed in FA. IMO, TE is one of those. Like dogfish said, a mid-level TE like Bo Scaife would be a great pickup for us and wouldn't cost us a draft pick which we should spend elsewhere.

The sad past is, if you think about R. Quinn and Gronkowski the draft picks that were already spent on them is absolutely ridiculous. Quinn was a second rounder and Gronkowski was traded for a player who was a second rounder (traded for a first). So, if you completely disregard all the other picks and players it took to get those second round picks, both of them already had a second round pick wasted on them.

If we go wasting draft picks on another TE, I just don't see how our FO can say they've learned anything...

Dean
03-20-2011, 11:23 AM
Pick up a RT. Insurance for Harris and in a running game, hell, put him in at tight end.;)

We could get a two-fer deal.




The chances of throwing the ball to the TE are rather slim in this offense.