Williams and Bannan waived

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Mike Evans, FM104.3the fan just stated that Williams and Bannan have been waived

[Krugan]

Well thats interesting for sure.

Williams I get, but Bannan was at least depth and servicable.

[silkamilkamonico]

Bannan huh? Probably indicator of our draft.

[silkamilkamonico]

Well thats interesting for sure.

Williams I get, but Bannan was at least depth and servicable.

I'm not really surprised. Next year is most likely going to be a rebuilding year and I'm sure the organization is going to treat it like that.

We could very well be the worst team in the NFL, and I don't think it would surprise a lot of people.

I certainly won't expect anything more than 5 wins, and wasn't really thinking much different since the season ended.

As long as they use the next year or 2 as building a young solid foundation, I think it will be a good thing.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- On Thursday, the Broncos made another roster move, releasing defensive linemen Justin Bannan and Jamal Williams.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Bannan-Williams-Released/3c62c199-7232-418e-9580-e243f2db9404

[UnderArmour]

Williams was expected but Bannan comes as a bit of a surprise. This makes Dareus or Fairley a lock for our first round pick(assuming we do not trade back to 4 and find all the players we want off the board). Fox knows what he's doing with the defense so these moves were probably for the best.

[dogfish]

so much for patrick peterson at #2. . . .


:welcome:

[Northman]

so much for patrick peterson at #2. . . .


:welcome:


Music to my ears. :D

[rationalfan]

pure conjecture here but i think it had to be about money. nothing else. bannan's good. williams, okay. but neither worth their contracts.

[rcsodak]

so much for patrick peterson at #2. . . .


:welcome:
YIP YIP YAHOOOOOO! Lol

Did elway say 'we thank xx for his service' or could they just be cutting some money and bringing them back? Honestly, both are 34 guys, but as foxxy said, everybody knows the 43, so its an easy transition.
Hey! Maybe theyre making room for Haynesworth!
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[NightTerror218]

pure conjecture here but i think it had to be about money. nothing else. bannan's good. williams, okay. but neither worth their contracts.

Lots of teams are cutting and then offering new contracts....might not be so bad with Bannan if that happens

[BigSarge87]

More McD guys gone. I too am a little confused at the Bannon release.

[Buff]

pure conjecture here but i think it had to be about money. nothing else. bannan's good. williams, okay. but neither worth their contracts.

I think it's probably 60% money and 40% scheme. Both are 3-4 specialists and both were signed at above-market contracts given our needs last year.

[rcsodak]

More McD guys gone. I too am a little confused at the Bannon release.That's what new HC's do. Nothing new. Nobody wants to fail with another teams players.

CBA TALK JUST EXTENDED FOR 24Hrs
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[Denver Native (Carol)]

The Broncos today released two more players, likely in a move to cut cost and in part to revamp to a new defensive scheme.

Denver cut defensive linemen Jamal Williams and Justin Bannan. Both moves were made before those players were set to collect roster bonuses.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17531737

[Buff]

No more Buffs left now that Bannan and Graham are gone. Bummer.

[rcsodak]

No more Buffs left now that Bannan and Graham are gone. Bummer.

So....you're saying the team has a chance now!
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[I Eat Staples]

Eh, they both sucked. I'm interested in keeping very few players on this defense. Glad to see Fox cleaning house, and this almost guarantees we're going D-Line at #2. I'm glad.

[cuzz4169]

Eh, they both sucked. I'm interested in keeping very few players on this defense. Glad to see Fox cleaning house, and this almost guarantees we're going D-Line at #2. I'm glad.

I agree both were slightly below avg. players Bannan was a career rotational player and williams passed his prime.

[NightTerror218]

I agree both were slightly below avg. players Bannan was a career rotational player and williams passed his prime.

Bannan would have been a nice rotational player/backup for us though. Williams I completely agree with.

This proves we are going to focus on D-Line in draft though. Fox mentioned you should build a team through the draft. I am glad D-fence is dropping like flies. Gotta keep eyes open for the secondary to get hit next.

[SOCALORADO.]

so much for patrick peterson at #2. . . .


:welcome:

What are you talking bout!?!?!
DEN has studs in McBean and McVickerson!!!
What DEN needs is a "ballhawk" at CB!

[cuzz4169]

Bannan would have been a nice rotational player/backup for us though. Williams I completely agree with.

This proves we are going to focus on D-Line in draft though. Fox mentioned you should build a team through the draft. I am glad D-fence is dropping like flies. Gotta keep eyes open for the secondary to get hit next.

Screw paying soon to be 32 Bannan 3.5mill this year 500k bonus to be a rotational guy.....

[cuzz4169]

I wonder how much free money we have? I think its gotta be a lot.

[NightTerror218]

I wonder how much free money we have? I think its gotta be a lot.

Do like so many other teams are....cutting and then resigning to new contracts

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Bannan huh? Probably indicator of our draft.

Yep. We almost have no choice, now. We cut Bannan and Williams and Thomas and Vickerson were tendered, but aren't locked up yet. I don't think we have any choice but to draft DT - HEAVILY in this draft.


I LOVE IT! :beer:

[dogfish]

Do like so many other teams are....cutting and then resigning to new contracts

or preferrably, cut all our stiffs and get some better players. . .


i wouldn't hate bannan coming back at a reasonable price, but we can also do a lot better. . . i love that our payroll is going to be light as a feather going into the deepest free agency class eva. . .

i just hope it means we're going to get some real talent, as opposed to just cutting costs because bowlen wants to go the cheap route. . .:fear:

[rcsodak]

or preferrably, cut all our stiffs and get some better players. . .


i wouldn't hate bannan coming back at a reasonable price, but we can also do a lot better. . . i love that our payroll is going to be light as a feather going into the deepest free agency class eva. . .

i just hope it means we're going to get some real talent, as opposed to just cutting costs because bowlen wants to go the cheap route. . .:fear:

Were they due any guaranteed money? I got in late on guys on sirius saying between the 2 of them was$ 13M guaranteed, just don't know if that was already paid or still due them.
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[Denver Native (Carol)]

Were they due any guaranteed money? I got in late on guys on sirius saying between the 2 of them was$ 13M guaranteed, just don't know if that was already paid or still due them.
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Williams was due a $1 million roster bonus on the third day of the league year, then a $4.2 million salary. Bannan was due a $500,000 bonus on the fifth day of the league year and a $3.5 million salary.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17531737

[BroncoJoe]

Nothing to see here. Reference AJ Hawk.

[BORDERLINE]

Glad Williams is gone. He was just a FAT waste of space on the defensive side of the ball.
How can a 300+ pound guy become invisible out on the field?? ask Williams

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Bronco sources confirm they do have interest in bringing back one of the players they cut. Don't count Justin Bannan out yet. about 1 hour ago via web

http://twitter.com/thegarymiller/statuses/43496222635466754

[ikillz0mbies]

Pro Football Talk just tweeted they re-signed Kevin Vickerson to a two-year deal.

[PAINTERDAVE]

Glad Vickerson is signed... and I hope/expect Bannon to be back... at a more reasonable rate.

Deal is.. we only have 6 draft picks...
if we stay at #2... we wont likely pick up a lot more...
unless we trade around in the lower draft area.

[TXBRONC]

Williams was expected but Bannan comes as a bit of a surprise. This makes Dareus or Fairley a lock for our first round pick(assuming we do not trade back to 4 and find all the players we want off the board). Fox knows what he's doing with the defense so these moves were probably for the best.

Bannan played well compared to J. Williams but I'm not sure that really isn't saying much.

[rcsodak]

So can players still be signed or was last night it, until a new cba?
Yes carol, this is for you. Tick tock.
:wink:
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[Traveler]

So can players still be signed or was last night it, until a new cba?
Yes carol, this is for you. Tick tock.
:wink:
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I think they can still sign players since the two sides agreed to extend the deadline.

[rcsodak]

I think they can still sign players since the two sides agreed to extend the deadline.
Nope.. sorry....just heard that no more transactions until a new cba. The extension was purely for negotiating and NOT for the new year.
So I guess we get another 7-10days of will they/wont they, and no player movement.
:golf clap:

See what happens when others answer instead of Carol??? :tsk:
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[PAINTERDAVE]

If that's the case... I bet Bannon will NOT be back.

Once the draft is done... so many free agents...
Bannon is just another guy at that point.

If they were gonna bring him back at a reduced salary..
I think they woulda already done it..
as a preventitive effort before the draft...

that is...
if that news is correct.

------------

Glad we got Harris, Vickerson and Champ signed

[rcsodak]

If that's the case... I bet Bannon will NOT be back.

Once the draft is done... so many free agents...
Bannon is just another guy at that point.

If they were gonna bring him back at a reduced salary..
I think they woulda already done it..
as a preventitive effort before the draft...

that is...
if that news is correct.

------------

Glad we got Harris, Vickerson and Champ signed
When did Harris sign, dave?
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[PAINTERDAVE]

When did Harris sign, dave?
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I gotta jam... I looked around .. can't find anything right off.


Was I dreaming this? I thought Harris was one of the guys we just re-signed.

Will someone calrify this?

I apologize If I am incorrect....

however I could swear that Harris was resigned.


Have a great day every body.

[PAINTERDAVE]

Maybe I was mistaken.

I just found this..

"There were several local (denver) and national reports Harris was on his way out this offseason, that the team didn't want him anymore. Now, they tender an offer on him. it doesn't guarantee he'll be here next year, but if it's a 1st, 2nd or 3rd round tender it means they want him."

I guess I incorrectly remembered that Harris was tendered an offer that we have the right to match.

Sorry for the mixup.

[PAINTERDAVE]

I'm out.

[rcsodak]

I gotta jam... I looked around .. can't find anything right off.


Was I dreaming this? I thought Harris was one of the guys we just re-signed.

Will someone calrify this?

I apologize If I am incorrect....

however I could swear that Harris was resigned.


Have a great day every body.

He was tendered.
Thomas has said he's not signing his. Means either he's gone or wants to test the market.
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[NightTerror218]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/14771488

Bannan was offered a new contract but much smaller and he decided to part ways.

[bcbronc]

Losing Thomas would be a bit of a blow. He's the only penetrating DT we currently have. sure we'll probably draft ONE, but one isn't enough on the roster, and few DTs make a big impact as a rookie.

also question getting rid of Banaan. maybe he's a bit overpaid, but iirc we have a lot of room under (last year's) cap. I seriously doubt we'll be so active in the UFA market that we'll end up tight for cap room. Banaan isn't great, but he's a solid rotational guy--I'd rather have him than $10-$15m of cap room once the season starts. Same with JWill to a lesser extent.

[rcsodak]

Losing Thomas would be a bit of a blow. He's the only penetrating DT we currently have. sure we'll probably draft ONE, but one isn't enough on the roster, and few DTs make a big impact as a rookie.

also question getting rid of Banaan. maybe he's a bit overpaid, but iirc we have a lot of room under (last year's) cap. I seriously doubt we'll be so active in the UFA market that we'll end up tight for cap room. Banaan isn't great, but he's a solid rotational guy--I'd rather have him than $10-$15m of cap room once the season starts. Same with JWill to a lesser extent.
There was a cap last year???
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[rcsodak]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/14771488

Bannan was offered a new contract but much smaller and he decided to part ways.
Might be the 1st mistake so far. So much for players 'wanting to play for fox'.
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[bcbronc]

There was a cap last year???
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you know what I mean rc. if there had been a cap in 2010 we would have had a comfortable cushion. If there is a cap in 2011, I don't see us being all that tight.

[rcsodak]

you know what I mean rc. if there had been a cap in 2010 we would have had a comfortable cushion. If there is a cap in 2011, I don't see us being all that tight.
Not if the owners get their way.
I would like to see them lose the minimum level. If a team wants to have a big dump year so they go after high$ FA's next year let 'em. Other teams mght improve from who they cut, as a side benefit, so its a win win. And if they want to be called the Heat of the NFL, lol, power to 'em. At least they'll have their own thread.
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[bcbronc]

Not if the owners get their way.
I would like to see them lose the minimum level. If a team wants to have a big dump year so they go after high$ FA's next year let 'em. Other teams mght improve from who they cut, as a side benefit, so its a win win. And if they want to be called the Heat of the NFL, lol, power to 'em. At least they'll have their own thread.
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anyone understand this? i have no idea what you're saying here....:confused:

:lol:

[dogfish]

Losing Thomas would be a bit of a blow. He's the only penetrating DT we currently have. sure we'll probably draft ONE, but one isn't enough on the roster, and few DTs make a big impact as a rookie.

also question getting rid of Banaan. maybe he's a bit overpaid, but iirc we have a lot of room under (last year's) cap. I seriously doubt we'll be so active in the UFA market that we'll end up tight for cap room. Banaan isn't great, but he's a solid rotational guy--I'd rather have him than $10-$15m of cap room once the season starts. Same with JWill to a lesser extent.

depends on who they sign to replace him. . . i wouldn't hate having bannan on the roster, but there are better options. . . if we use that money to sign a better DT, then all to the good-- and we did re-sign vickerson, who's younger and bigger. . .

we'll see. . .




you know what I mean rc. if there had been a cap in 2010 we would have had a comfortable cushion. If there is a cap in 2011, I don't see us being all that tight.

absolutely. . . i keep having people tell me (in thread after thread) that we "can't afford" to sign a top free agent, and it's just utterly wrong-- incorrect, non-factual, and just plain not right. . . i don't know if the broncos WILL or not, but they'll most certainly be more than capable. . . and it's NOT going to wreck the salary structure, in any way, shape or form. . .

we would have been way below last year's cap, and we've cleared money-- and may well clear orton's salary off the books as well, but we'll be fine even if we do have to pay it for another year. . .

do people really think someone like steven tulloch or brandon mebane is gonna count like thirty million against our cap next year?

:confused:

i think shanahan's stupid habit of carrying lots of dead money just conditioned broncos fans to always feel like we're right up against the cap and don't have any room, but it's just not the case any more. . . and signing a good free agent or two ISN'T going to make us dan snyder-- it's really not. . .

[TXBRONC]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/14771488

Bannan was offered a new contract but much smaller and he decided to part ways.

I wish him the best but I don't think he's that big of a lose.

[Lonestar]

Just a reminder Just because the ceiling is 120 mil does mean we have to spend every cent like mikey ALWAYS did.

Id rather spend it on quality kiddies via the draft.
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[Lonestar]

Good Post Dog. Did not see it before I just posted.

I should add that if we can find a "proven" player that is not ready for wheel chairs.
I do not have a problem of getting a couple real players. But building a team that way is a recipe for failue. IMHO.
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[NightTerror218]

Good Post Dog. Did not see it before I just posted.

I should add that if we can find a "proven" player that is not ready for wheel chairs.
I do not have a problem of getting a couple real players. But building a team that way is a recipe for failue. IMHO.
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Would be nice to use FA to fill gaps in the depth charts rather then on starters and do what we can to get more draft picks like trade Orton, Goodman, and maybe a LB or 2 since we have a lot, and maybe Dawkins. With the 4 high picks we have, we could get a good "core" to the defense and then fill it in better in the 2012 draft.

[Ravage!!!]

I'd rather spend what is available. The 'reserve' cap space doesn't do anyone any good.

[bcbronc]

depends on who they sign to replace him. . . i wouldn't hate having bannan on the roster, but there are better options. . . if we use that money to sign a better DT, then all to the good-- and we did re-sign vickerson, who's younger and bigger. . .

we'll see. . .



for sure. and I understand the uncertainty factors into the situation. But imo any new CBA won't see major changes to the way business is done. By that I mean contracts aren't going to become guaranteed, there will still be a salary cap, etc.

from my perspective, it looks like cutting Bannan saves the team the $500k roster bonus and maybe a bit of a cap hit. Maybe that money will be turned into an upgrade on the DL, but the UFA market is anything but guaranteed. The way things have been in Denver of late on the defensive side of the ball, I don't think too many top level UFAs are going to have us at the top of their list.

Just curious on the timing is all. Not really too sure on all the CBA ramifications, and how much impact they had on these transactions, but I'd have rather have held on to Bannan and cut him if/when we got actual upgrades in place.

I'm not about to swan dive off my roof over dumping JWill or Bannan, I just don't like how these cuts smell more of cost saving measures than moves to make the team more competitive. but like you say, we'll see....

[rcsodak]

anyone understand this? i have no idea what you're saying here....:confused:

:lol:
You brought up the cap. I am opining on the cap. I'm allowed my tangents.
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[rcsodak]

depends on who they sign to replace him. . . i wouldn't hate having bannan on the roster, but there are better options. . . if we use that money to sign a better DT, then all to the good-- and we did re-sign vickerson, who's younger and bigger. . .

we'll see. . .





absolutely. . . i keep having people tell me (in thread after thread) that we "can't afford" to sign a top free agent, and it's just utterly wrong-- incorrect, non-factual, and just plain not right. . . i don't know if the broncos WILL or not, but they'll most certainly be more than capable. . . and it's NOT going to wreck the salary structure, in any way, shape or form. . .

we would have been way below last year's cap, and we've cleared money-- and may well clear orton's salary off the books as well, but we'll be fine even if we do have to pay it for another year. . .

do people really think someone like steven tulloch or brandon mebane is gonna count like thirty million against our cap next year?

:confused:

i think shanahan's stupid habit of carrying lots of dead money just conditioned broncos fans to always feel like we're right up against the cap and don't have any room, but it's just not the case any more. . . and signing a good free agent or two ISN'T going to make us dan snyder-- it's really not. . .

So, dog, show us where the team is sitting, salary-wise, then.
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[keithbishop]

Good Post Dog. Did not see it before I just posted.

I should add that if we can find a "proven" player that is not ready for wheel chairs.
I do not have a problem of getting a couple real players. But building a team that way is a recipe for failue. IMHO.
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Agreed. My hope remains that FA is used to target one or 2 quality players to big contracts (plus anyone who may be of value on reasonable deals). As you said, it would never, ever work to use FA trying to fill several major holes. Generally it would be wise to target 1 quality FA on each side of the ball, but going for defense only would make more sense this year (assuming Harris stays).

Hopefully management sees that FA and the draft have to work together to build a winning team. It would be impossible to land a quality starting DT, MLB, S, TE, and, possibly, RT in the same draft.

[ikillz0mbies]

Not too worried about these losses. Broncos need to get younger anyway. Plus, I read somewhere that Bannan wanted to go back to Baltimore.

[SpringsBroncoFan]

Wow... are they telegraphing moves here?

Last week they were "comfortable" with the guys they had...

Williams understandable, both fit & $ ... Bannan yes in terms of $

If they take a DE at #2 then the best DT's left at 36 & 46 are likely Paea, Austin & Casey. With Paea a darkhorse to go before 36...

I ran a mock draft and found that Kerrigan & Bailey BOTH may not be there at 36. Ballard may be ok there as a strongside DE opposite Doom (although a bit of a tweener DE/DT) in case Ayers doesn't cut it.

I think this screams Fairley or Dareus...

Forget a playmaker at 36... just best avail DL...

R. Williams & R. Moore may fall to 46 but best avail DL now seems more likely now...

I give up on the mock draft! :lol:

[SpringsBroncoFan]

Would be nice to use FA to fill gaps in the depth charts rather then on starters and do what we can to get more draft picks like trade Orton, Goodman, and maybe a LB or 2 since we have a lot, and maybe Dawkins. With the 4 high picks we have, we could get a good "core" to the defense and then fill it in better in the 2012 draft.

How the heck are they going to manage that? Orton sure...

Goodman? Who the heck plays the other CB? You'd need another late 2nd to get Curtis Brown who's about the last CB I'd want to see thrown to the wolves as a starter. Aaron Williams maybe but what if he's going to have to move to safety like they were talking about on NFL Network?

Dawkins? Who'd trade for him? Besides on Fox I read the coaches expect him back and that he only "looks slow"...

Forget about the LB's this year anyway... they suck! :lol:

[rcsodak]

I would like an idea of how much money they have tied into the current roster
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[SpringsBroncoFan]

I would like an idea of how much money they have tied into the current roster
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I had read 97 mil, about 7 mil below league average.... I think somebody else posted like 3 mil less or something...

Cutting Jwill & Bannan saves what ... 7 mil?

Add back an added 3 mil or so for Champ...

So we should be at least 10 mil below league avg...

Not that I'd blow that money on FA's but they should't have reason to go cheap here - ignoring the lockout stuff anyway...

And of course nobody knows what the #2 will cost...

[HORSEPOWER 56]

I had read 97 mil, about 7 mil below league average.... I think somebody else posted like 3 mil less or something...

Cutting Jwill & Bannan saves what ... 7 mil?

Add back an added 3 mil or so for Champ...

So we should be at least 10 mil below league avg...

Not that I'd blow that money on FA's but they should't have reason to go cheap here - ignoring the lockout stuff anyway...

And of course nobody knows what the #2 will cost...

I like to think of the salary cap as if it was the federal budget. You don't want a deficit (to be over the cap) but you don't want too much of a budget surplus (under the cap) either, because it means you are over-taxing your constituents (overcharging the fans) and not providing them with the services they expect from that money (not doing everything you can to win).

If you look at the stats, the "fiscally responsible" Patriots and Colts are typically right up against the cap every year. You don't see them overpaying much, but they aren't pinching pennies, either. They do what they need to do to stay competitive.