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roomemp
09-23-2008, 02:46 PM
Wondering what everybody thinks......Should we try to trade for a Pass rusher this year.......Say like a Julius Peppers? Or do you think we should stay put and continue to build through the draft?

I say if we could get a pash rusher like Julius Peppers, we make a deal......Think about it....Our offense is set for years.....We are probably going to draft a MLB, DE or DT, or safety next year anyways.

Hoshdude7
09-23-2008, 02:51 PM
I think it all depends on who we are getting, and if they are healthy or not.

LRtagger
09-23-2008, 02:51 PM
doubt it...it would take a lot to get a good pass rusher. I would only trade away picks if they were conditional on us winning the Super Bowl, but it will never happen. Football doesn't work like baseball where bad teams trade away their best players to contenders.

Carolina is a contender, anyways and I dont see any reason for them to let go of Peppers.

We are better off trying to improve what we have and draft some young studs next year. If we can have another good draft in 09 and in 2010, we will be dominant for several years much like NE has been recently. We just need to stop drafting DL BUSTS.

dendave
09-23-2008, 03:13 PM
Think about it....Our offense is set for years.....

If we can re-sign everyone...

ApaOps5
09-23-2008, 03:23 PM
If we can re-sign everyone...

Pretty much everyone is signed long term. I am sure Brandon Marshall and maybe Harris get a new deal but other than that things are locked in for the next few years anyways.

popps
09-23-2008, 03:23 PM
You'd have to start looking at teams that have a quality pass-rusher that already appear to be in big trouble. Very few teams are in give-up mode, at this point. But, a few teams may be there soon.

CoachChaz
09-23-2008, 03:26 PM
If we could somehow land Peppers or Suggs in FA, that would be great. The draft is a crapshoot this year on DE's...especially if we keep winning. Focus on re-signing the offense and get anything and everything that can improve our defense.

If we keep winning, the best we can look for at MLB would be Brandon Spikes (assuming he enters the draft) because Laurinitis and Maualuga will be far gone by then.

Odds are Taylor Mays and maybe William Moore are gone too, so maybe Myron Rolle is available at safety.

At DE George Selvie, Michael Johnson (overrated) and Tyson Jackson (best in a 3-4) just arent the pass rushers we need.

I'm thinking a guy like Spikes or Aaron Curry would be looked at in the mid 20's, but I wouldnt object to dealing the pick for a stud DE if one becomes available via trade.

ApaOps5
09-23-2008, 03:26 PM
You'd have to start looking at teams that have a quality pass-rusher that already appear to be in big trouble. Very few teams are in give-up mode, at this point. But, a few teams may be there soon.

Glad to see you took my advise and came over here Popps.

lex
09-23-2008, 03:58 PM
Absolutely we should. The offense is there. Its silly to draft another DE to see if he will pan out again. Not to mention, that currently we have two pass rush specialists who cant be on the field at the same time due to a vulnerability to the run that they present. We should really look at trading Dumervil (only because there is more in trade value) for either a pick(s) or for a DE, in which case wed probably have to throw in a pick. If they think Dumervil can deliver against good teams when it matters, then we should stick with him. But Im leaning towards targeting someone.

Since Peppers is more expensive, perhaps we could make a trade for Peppers or even Abraham with Atlanta. Perhaps, then in acquiring a more well rounded and polished DE, we could put Moss and Crowder on the field more.

But ultimately, if we think we're a DE away from that next step, you pull the trigger.

dendave
09-23-2008, 04:02 PM
Pretty much everyone is signed long term. I am sure Brandon Marshall and maybe Harris get a new deal but other than that things are locked in for the next few years anyways.

Scheffler
Signed a four-year, $2.7 million contract. 2010: Free Agent
That's this year and next

Marshall
Signed a four-year, $2.03 million contract. 2010: Free Agent
Believe me he won't play next year without a redone contract

Cutler
Signed a six-year, $47.86 million contract. 2011: $1.81 million, 2012: Free Agent
He will want more too

I am just saying it's not "locked in" for the next few years, maybe this and next.

ApaOps5
09-23-2008, 04:04 PM
Cutler won't want more. Marshall yeah he will want it and will get it. Scheffler while great won't command as much with Dan Graham and Nate Jackson.

Beantown Bronco
09-23-2008, 04:09 PM
Scheffler
Signed a four-year, $2.7 million contract. 2010: Free Agent
That's this year and next

Marshall
Signed a four-year, $2.03 million contract. 2010: Free Agent
Believe me he won't play next year without a redone contract

Cutler
Signed a six-year, $47.86 million contract. 2011: $1.81 million, 2012: Free Agent
He will want more too

I am just saying it's not "locked in" for the next few years, maybe this and next.

This is not entirely true. Because the owners opted out of the collective bargaining agreement, none of these guys can become free agents until 2012, even though they are not technically signed for that long as of today.

(a player will have to have six seasons in the league before becoming a free agent)

dogfish
09-23-2008, 04:28 PM
it's an interesting thought, but as far as i know there isn't anyone available ATM. . .



on the side conversation, i'll lay exceptionally high odds that a marshall holdout is coming next offseason, unless we agree to sign him to a mega-deal before then. . . he's going to want insane money, and the truth is that his performance on the field deserves it. . . . i don't think it's going to be pretty. . . .

MOtorboat
09-23-2008, 07:43 PM
Player-trades just don't happen in season.

At the end of the season, sure there are some defensive positions that need to be addressed, mostly middle linebacker. I'd prefer they address that in the draft, first round, most likely, if there's someone there at our pick. I don't want to go mortgaging the future for a middle linebacker. Remember, Al Wilson was the 32nd pick in the draft. I'd also like to see safety addressed, and right now, then defensive line.

With that said, if Dumervil continues to struggle and Crowder and Moss don't make strides, then yes, we need to address the defensive line. The problem with that is, most impact defensive ends go in the Top 10-15, and we probably won't have a Top 15 pick.

JONtheBRONCO
09-23-2008, 07:47 PM
Absolutely we should. The offense is there. Its silly to draft another DE to see if he will pan out again. Not to mention, that currently we have two pass rush specialists who cant be on the field at the same time due to a vulnerability to the run that they present. We should really look at trading Dumervil (only because there is more in trade value) for either a pick(s) or for a DE, in which case wed probably have to throw in a pick. If they think Dumervil can deliver against good teams when it matters, then we should stick with him. But Im leaning towards targeting someone.

Since Peppers is more expensive, perhaps we could make a trade for Peppers or even Abraham with Atlanta. Perhaps, then in acquiring a more well rounded and polished DE, we could put Moss and Crowder on the field more.

But ultimately, if we think we're a DE away from that next step, you pull the trigger.

Trade our best DE for draft picks, yeah... Makes a lot of sense.

MOtorboat
09-23-2008, 07:53 PM
Another point.

Please name the last time a Franchise Pass Rusher was traded?

Go ahead...find one.

Peppers and Abraham won't be traded.

P.S. Why the hell would another team trade a DE for a DE?

SmilinAssasSin27
09-23-2008, 08:00 PM
NO...we built the offense COMPLETELY thru the draft. Why trade for a DE now? We are NOT SB ready, even if we add a player. Slow down, relax and enjoy the ride. Be patient. We have the O and we'll build the D. We have some nice young pieces. We need a few more, but we have a LOT of picks in the 09 draft and there are a few solid FAs out there.

Besides...when is the last time Peppers got a sack???

BroncoAV06
09-23-2008, 08:07 PM
If we could somehow land Peppers or Suggs in FA, that would be great. The draft is a crapshoot this year on DE's...especially if we keep winning. Focus on re-signing the offense and get anything and everything that can improve our defense.

If we keep winning, the best we can look for at MLB would be Brandon Spikes (assuming he enters the draft) because Laurinitis and Maualuga will be far gone by then.

Odds are Taylor Mays and maybe William Moore are gone too, so maybe Myron Rolle is available at safety.

At DE George Selvie, Michael Johnson (overrated) and Tyson Jackson (best in a 3-4) just arent the pass rushers we need.

I'm thinking a guy like Spikes or Aaron Curry would be looked at in the mid 20's, but I wouldnt object to dealing the pick for a stud DE if one becomes available via trade.

Could be interesting with Rolle, that story about him trying to get into Oxford and if accepted he would seriously think about going even with a 1st round grade.

SmilinAssasSin27
09-23-2008, 08:19 PM
I really want Moore at Safety. I've seen 2 of his games this year and dude appears to be the total package. We need a playmaker at S if we're not gonna get pressure and I think we should be able to land him since a) we'll have some trade ammo and b) we'll come back to earth if the D doesn't get it together. I say get him and a MLB w/ the first 2 picks and draft DEs the rest of the way. I'm kidding...kind of.

Skinny
09-23-2008, 08:21 PM
Another point.

Please name the last time a Franchise Pass Rusher was traded?

Go ahead...find one.

Peppers and Abraham won't be traded.

P.S. Why the hell would another team trade a DE for a DE?Speaking of John Abraham, traded from the Jets to the Falcons in 06'.

If there's a disgruntled pass rusher out there like Abraham was with NY, It could be an option. Probably the only way a deal like that goes down though.

MOtorboat
09-23-2008, 08:23 PM
Speaking of John Abraham, traded from the Jets to the Falcons in 06'.

If there's a disgruntled pass rusher out there like Abraham was with NY, It could be an option. Probably the only way a deal like that goes down though.

Pwned...Damn...

I doubt it happens. I doubt Shanahan tries to do that...

However, I will say, until this year, I wouldn't consider Abraham a top-flight pass-rusher. A decent one...sure, but not top-flight, until he got six sacks in three games.

SmilinAssasSin27
09-23-2008, 08:28 PM
It sucks that we couldn't land Kearney when he was a FA. I'll admit that I wasn't one of the folks who wanted him then, but we'd be SO much better w/ him in Denver...and I'm betting he'd like to be here now.

underrated29
09-23-2008, 08:36 PM
Dont forget that jared allen was just traded to the vikes!

sorry- i had to throw that out there.

MOtorboat
09-23-2008, 08:38 PM
Dont forget that jared allen was just traded to the vikes!

sorry- i had to throw that out there.

And pwned...nevermind...I retract said statement...

SmilinAssasSin27
09-23-2008, 08:38 PM
these trades are offseason moves though. The best thing available during the season is Simeon Rice...and nobody wants that.

Bad Intentions
09-23-2008, 08:39 PM
Wondering what everybody thinks......Should we try to trade for a Pass rusher this year.......Say like a Julius Peppers? Or do you think we should stay put and continue to build through the draft?

I say if we could get a pash rusher like Julius Peppers, we make a deal......Think about it....Our offense is set for years.....We are probably going to draft a MLB, DE or DT, or safety next year anyways.

Woody Paige suggested this and had an article in Monday's paper. I think you do it. I looked at several team's rosters and honestly Julius Peppers is the only guy that makes sense right now. Maybe John Abraham but that's about it and I'd much rather have Peppers! He compared us to the Chargers from last year and how they had a need and went out and got Chambers for a 2nd round pick.

For an impact DE, I'd do the trade. If you could get your hands on a top 5 Safety I'd think about doing it as well though I don't think that solves our woes. Same with MLB.

MOtorboat
09-23-2008, 08:41 PM
Woody Paige suggested this and had an article in Monday's paper. I think you do it. I looked at several team's rosters and honestly Julius Peppers is the only guy that makes sense right now. Maybe John Abraham but that's about it and I'd much rather have Peppers! He compared us to the Chargers from last year and how they had a need and went out and got Chambers for a 2nd round pick.

For an impact DE, I'd do the trade. If you could get your hands on a top 5 Safety I'd think about doing it as well though I don't think that solves our woes. Same with MLB.

For 2009...maybe...

The Panthers WILL NOT make an in-season trade for Peppers. It will not happen, no matter how much you want the Broncos to "pull the trigger."

SmilinAssasSin27
09-23-2008, 08:52 PM
For 2009...maybe...

The Panthers WILL NOT make an in-season trade for Peppers. It will not happen, no matter how much you want the Broncos to "pull the trigger."

why do ya have to be a dick and insert logic into this thread???:salute:

If Carolina is willing to trade him...they know sumthin we don't.

MOtorboat
09-23-2008, 08:54 PM
why do ya have to be a dick and insert logic into this post???:salute:

I'm sorry. My bad.

Apparently, we're trading something (not sure exactly what) for an elite defensive end, a solid safety and maybe a middle linebacker.

This defense will be the best in the league by Week 6...you know...the trade deadline.

SmilinAssasSin27
09-23-2008, 08:56 PM
I will say this though...it APPEASR (but it's still way too early to be sure) that the strength in the 09 draft is coming from positions we're OK at. The DTs are better than the DEs. The OLBs are deeper than the MLBs. The CBs are deeper than the Ss. In addition, there are some bad ass RBs are WRs coming out. This does not appear to be the right year to have this many picks.

Npba900
09-23-2008, 08:56 PM
If we can re-sign everyone...

Brandon Marshall won't come cheap!!!!

SmilinAssasSin27
09-23-2008, 08:56 PM
I'm sorry. My bad.

Apparently, we're trading something (not sure exactly what) for an elite defensive end, a solid safety and maybe a middle linebacker.

This defense will be the best in the league by Week 6...you know...the trade deadline.

That's better.

SmilinAssasSin27
09-23-2008, 09:06 PM
Seriously though, we'll have to go hard for a FA DE cuz the draft will be weak. The kid from GTech looks soft. The kid fron S. Florida is a 3-4 OLB. Tyson Jackson isn't necessarily a pass rusher (although I'd still love to have him).

One name to keep an eye on is Will Davis of Illinois. He's not ranked super-high, but he gets to the QB and is very athletic. He isn't huge, but also not tiny...6'3" 270. May be a nice fit we can land in round 3 or 4.

dogfish
09-23-2008, 09:06 PM
Another point.

Please name the last time a Franchise Pass Rusher was traded?

Go ahead...find one.

Peppers and Abraham won't be traded.

P.S. Why the hell would another team trade a DE for a DE?

good lord you're off your game tonight! not only have abraham and jared allen been traded over the past few years, but a former defensive player of the year and probable hall of fame pass rusher was just traded a month ago. . . . does the name jason taylor ring a bell?


:lol:



pwned, once again. . . .

MOtorboat
09-23-2008, 09:12 PM
good lord you're off your game tonight! not only have abraham and jared allen been traded over the past few years, but a former defensive player of the year and probable hall of fame pass rusher was just traded a month ago. . . . does the name jason taylor ring a bell?


:lol:



pwned, once again. . . .

I have since rescinded said comment. I stand corrected.

However...

Jared Allen...drunk.
John Abraham...former first round pick, never more than 12 sacks, and never more than 10 since 2001...and only 10 twice.
Jason Taylor...should have retired last year.

dogfish
09-23-2008, 09:15 PM
Seriously though, we'll have to go hard for a FA DE cuz the draft will be weak. The kid from GTech looks soft. The kid fron S. Florida is a 3-4 OLB. Tyson Jackson isn't necessarily a pass rusher (although I'd still love to have him).

One name to keep an eye on is Will Davis of Illinois. He's not ranked super-high, but he gets to the QB and is very athletic. He isn't huge, but also not tiny...6'3" 270. May be a nice fit we can land in round 3 or 4.

i don't disagree with the premise, but i'm afraid our chances of landing an impact pass rusher in FA are about slim and none. . . if the list i'm looking at is correct, the only guys that'll be available are peppers and suggs, and either one is likely to be waaaay out of our price range if we're planning to retain brandon marshall, jay cutler, tony scheffler and chris kuper over the next few years. . . . don't ask me for names ATM, but i'm afraid we're going to have to look to the draft if we plan on keeping this offense together for the long haul, which i absolutely think we should. . . IMO, our best approach will probably be spending our top two picks on a nasty MIKE and a free safety type with the range, athleticism and ball skills to excell in deep halves coverage-- and then using the saturation approach and drafting a number of second day DLs with some upside, throwing 'em against the wall and seeing what sticks. . . of course there's a lot of football between now and then (both college and pro), so we'll see what happens. . . but that's kinda my thought process as of right now. . . .

SmilinAssasSin27
09-23-2008, 09:24 PM
A lot will depend on draft position. If we do continue to win, all of the studs will be gone at S and MLB. There appear to be 2-3 of each. Maulauga and Laur at LB and Moore, Rolle and Mays at S. All could be gone by #20. There are other Safety names like Chung (Oregon), Hamlin (Clemson) and Pegues (Miss St) and MLB names like Spikes (Florida), Beckwith (LSU) and Brinkley (SO Caro)...but all appear (for now) to be reaches in round 1 and similar talents could be had in round 2...if not those names themselves.

I honestly think we may need to go Best Available if we end up making the playoffs cuz we could still get a Tyson Jackson at DE and a pass rusher in round 4. Again, Jackson may not be a sack machine, but he is destructive and a huge upgrade over our current DEs. It's also not that he CAN'T get to the QB...he's just more of a run stopper given his size.

dogfish
09-23-2008, 10:07 PM
The problem with that is, most impact defensive ends go in the Top 10-15, and we probably won't have a Top 15 pick.



this is a statement that i see a lot, that i really don't agree with. . . i mean, obviously you have a better chance of finding an impact player at ANY position with a top-fifteen pick, but there are still quality pass rushers available later in the draft, almost every year-- and conversely, has any position (other than maaaybe QB) had more high-profile first round busts and underachievers recently than DE? let's look at some of the successes and failures among DLs/pass rushers over the past five drafts (not counting this year's, which is way too early to evaluate). . .


players that have either had some success at this level, or at least shown flashes of legit talent:

terrell suggs (1st '03)
calvin pace (1st '03)
osi umenyiora (2nd '03)
dewayne white (2nd '03)
cory redding (3rd '03 - has switched to DT)
will smith (1st '04 - on the board when we picked DJ)
2 travis laboy (2nd '04)
shaun phillips (4th '04)
jared allen (4th '04)
bobby mccray (7th '04)
demarcus ware (1st '05)
shawne merriman (1st '05)
justin tuck (3rd '05)
trent cole (5th '05)
jovan haye (6th '05 - not a top pass rusher, bu has developed into a disruptive 3-tech)
mario williams (1st '06)
kamerion wimbley (1st '06)
mathias kiwanuka (1st '06)
darryl tapp (2nd '06)
elvis dumervil (4th '06)
mark anderson (5th '06)
gaines adams (1st '07)
anthony spencer (1st '07)
lamarr woodley (2nd '07)
brian robison (4th '07)


players drafted in the top three rounds that are busts, or that haven't shown anything yet:

michael haynes (1st '03)
jerome mcdougal (1st '03)
tyler brayton (1st '03)
kenechi udeze (1st '04)
jason babin (1st '04)
erasmus james (1st '05)
darryl blackstock (3rd '05)
manny lawson (1st '06)
frostee rucker (3rd '06)
jamaal anderson (1st '07)
jarvis moss (1st '07)
tim crowder (2nd '07)
victor abiamiri (2nd '07)
dan bazuin (2nd '07)
quentin moses (3rd '07)
charles johnson (3rd '07)


i do understand that it's early still for grading the '07 guys, and a few that haven't shown anything yet will still probably develop into good players. . . i also understand that you can argue certain individuals on both sides of that list (it's mostly opinion), but i think my larger point stands either way-- over the past five years, almost as many elite/high quality pass rushers have come from the second round or lower as have come from top-fifteen picks-- while plenty of highly-drafted pass rushers have busted. . . naturally you have a greater chance of success the higher you pick, but there are gems out there if you have the scouting to uncover them. . . .

BroncoAV06
09-23-2008, 10:08 PM
I don't think Mizzou got that pwned, those were all off-season trades and we are talking about an in season move, which does not occur much when it comes to impact players.


I will say this though...it APPEASR (but it's still way too early to be sure) that the strength in the 09 draft is coming from positions we're OK at. The DTs are better than the DEs. The OLBs are deeper than the MLBs. The CBs are deeper than the Ss. In addition, there are some bad ass RBs are WRs coming out. This does not appear to be the right year to have this many picks.

Might be a good year to have excess picks in which you can use to move up since at the moment the draft looks weak, (Can all change in an instant etc..) If it is a "weak" draft then use what you got to try and get into position to grab the upper teir talent that caught your eye.

Superchop 7
09-23-2008, 10:36 PM
You never say never.

But, I'm inclined to say no.

Our scouting is very good these days.

Our holes are getting fewer.

Use the Shanny philosophy of multiple picks at need positions.

Let competition sort out the best.

dogfish
09-23-2008, 10:56 PM
You never say never.

But, I'm inclined to say no.

Our scouting is very good these days.

Our holes are getting fewer.

Use the Shanny philosophy of multiple picks at need positions.

Let competition sort out the best.



and save money in the process. . . high-profile vets cost more than all but the highest draft picks. . . .

omac
09-24-2008, 12:17 AM
I know he isn't a DE, but the Chargers seemed not to care at all about Merriman's knee, and articles mentioned that they're not that interested in re-signing him after next season. Now that he's having his knee surgery, maybe we can get him cheap? Huge risk factor, though, but great gains if he pans out. The Chargers defense has looked absolutely ordinary without him, and since we've been incorporating 3-4 looks into our defense, he may have a huge impact on our team. Plus, he's still pretty young. We could give up draft picks, but hopefully not a first, specially since he's currently injured.

I want Carriker; he's a young, big, strong guy who can play either DT or DE, and though he played well for the Rams last season, he's not at superstar status yet. The Rams are desperate, but I don't know who we can send to them in exchange. Will they take Paymah, Nate Jackson, Bly, Manuel, Ramsey, Moss, and our 7th rounders for the next 10 years? :D

lex
09-24-2008, 07:02 AM
this is a statement that i see a lot, that i really don't agree with. . . i mean, obviously you have a better chance of finding an impact player at ANY position with a top-fifteen pick, but there are still quality pass rushers available later in the draft, almost every year-- and conversely, has any position (other than maaaybe QB) had more high-profile first round busts and underachievers recently than DE? let's look at some of the successes and failures among DLs/pass rushers over the past five drafts (not counting this year's, which is way too early to evaluate). . .


players that have either had some success at this level, or at least shown flashes of legit talent:

terrell suggs (1st '03)
calvin pace (1st '03)
osi umenyiora (2nd '03)
dewayne white (2nd '03)
cory redding (3rd '03 - has switched to DT)
will smith (1st '04 - on the board when we picked DJ)
2 travis laboy (2nd '04)
shaun phillips (4th '04)
jared allen (4th '04)
bobby mccray (7th '04)
demarcus ware (1st '05)
shawne merriman (1st '05)
justin tuck (3rd '05)
trent cole (5th '05)
jovan haye (6th '05 - not a top pass rusher, bu has developed into a disruptive 3-tech)
mario williams (1st '06)
kamerion wimbley (1st '06)
mathias kiwanuka (1st '06)
darryl tapp (2nd '06)
elvis dumervil (4th '06)
mark anderson (5th '06)
gaines adams (1st '07)
anthony spencer (1st '07)
lamarr woodley (2nd '07)
brian robison (4th '07)


players drafted in the top three rounds that are busts, or that haven't shown anything yet:

michael haynes (1st '03)
jerome mcdougal (1st '03)
tyler brayton (1st '03)
kenechi udeze (1st '04)
jason babin (1st '04)
erasmus james (1st '05)
darryl blackstock (3rd '05)
manny lawson (1st '06)
frostee rucker (3rd '06)
jamaal anderson (1st '07)
jarvis moss (1st '07)
tim crowder (2nd '07)
victor abiamiri (2nd '07)
dan bazuin (2nd '07)
quentin moses (3rd '07)
charles johnson (3rd '07)


i do understand that it's early still for grading the '07 guys, and a few that haven't shown anything yet will still probably develop into good players. . . i also understand that you can argue certain individuals on both sides of that list (it's mostly opinion), but i think my larger point stands either way-- over the past five years, almost as many elite/high quality pass rushers have come from the second round or lower as have come from top-fifteen picks-- while plenty of highly-drafted pass rushers have busted. . . naturally you have a greater chance of success the higher you pick, but there are gems out there if you have the scouting to uncover them. . . .

I think youre larger point is that DE is one of the hardest positions to predict. And this cuts both ways. But the unpredictability of it is also an argument of targeting a guy you know more about via FA. It would be a shame to let this offense go to waste while pinning our hopes on a position that is obviously unpredictable to draft but also takes a while before you know if he can play.

broncofaninfla
09-24-2008, 07:23 AM
Why a big name over priced star who is on the tail end of his career? I'm all for trading to get help ANYWHERE on defense at this point. They don't have to be a big name star, just better than what we currently have. We are fielding duds at some positions on defense. We could trade for a solid defensive player or two without sacrficing next years draft.

Bronco Bible
09-24-2008, 08:45 AM
doubt it...it would take a lot to get a good pass rusher. I would only trade away picks if they were conditional on us winning the Super Bowl, but it will never happen. Football doesn't work like baseball where bad teams trade away their best players to contenders.

Carolina is a contender, anyways and I dont see any reason for them to let go of Peppers.

We are better off trying to improve what we have and draft some young studs next year. If we can have another good draft in 09 and in 2010, we will be dominant for several years much like NE has been recently. We just need to stop drafting DL BUSTS.

You forgot to mention that example is next to impossible because Fox is on the hotseat out here.:coffee:

lex
09-24-2008, 06:54 PM
Trade our best DE for draft picks, yeah... Makes a lot of sense.

JoneofCoeCollege, read the entire post. I was saying trade him in the process of upgrading.